Exchange Magazine Covers LENR as ‘Disruptive Energy Generation’

Thanks to artefact for discovering an article published in the Canadian Exchange Magazine, an online business journal published in Ontario. The article, written by Jim Sweeney, is title ‘Disruptive Energy Generation’, and provides an overview of current events in the world of LENR. Sweeney talks about the potential for LENR to work in a distributed energy generation system, which could make ‘redundant an extensive national and international electrical grid.’

One point of correction: the article mentions that a Chinese firm secured the rights to Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat technology; of course it was the US company Industrial Heat, LLC (backed by North Carolina-based Cherokee Investment Partners).

Sweeney notes that lack of LENR patents granted by the US Patent office, and suggests that Canada step up and grant patents in the area:

“If Canada does not get a US green light on critical pipeline proposals, it might consider an end-run by immediately granting Canadian LENR patents to all comers. Such action is inevitable anyway, so we might as well do it now. This fixes our unemployment problem. That however, is unlikely to happen because some of our ostrich-like policy makers have their heads stuck in the tar sands.”

The full article can be read here

  • Christina

    I might as well not answer because the answers I want to give will not get passed Frank’s necessary filter. However, let me say, please Frank, that God always has a plan for our lives–and the live of the planet’s people as a whole.

  • Fortyniner

    If we’re playing that game, here in the UK electricity on a basic tarriff is about 18p/kWHr – about $0.29.

  • Julian Becker

    Another Company in Germany?

    I found this article on Focus Online, one of Germany’s major news magazines. They mention Andrea Rossi and the Ecat, but also mention a company called “Purratio” which used Deuterium and Palladium for the reaction.

    • Neo
      • Fortyniner

        I am copying below the salient parts of my reply to Andreas Moraitis, who has also mentioned Purratio over on the ‘always open’ thread:

        The patent describes an apparatus that appears to produce pulses of D-D fusion within an uncontained water/heavy water plasma, using palladium and copper firing electrodes (copper seems to crop up very regularly these days) and a relatively low DC electrical starting current.

        The neutron emissions make this another cold fusion process potentially suitable for large scale industrial use, but probably not for domestic applications. It might be another candidate for use with an MHD generator, or it may be possible to collect heat from the plasma directly as they seem to propose (or both). It looks a lot more feasible than BLP’s complicated recirculating ‘solid fuel’ setup, but a way would probably need to be found to fuel the system on pure water (as they sort of claim in the specs reproduced below) to become economic as a power source, unless unused deuterium could be continuously recirculated somehow. Meanwhile a nice toy for the hot fusion brigade, if they can overcome the fact that the company is calling the process ‘cold fusion’!

        Base technology: water vapour operated plasma jet discharge.
        Cathode material: Palladium.
        Anode:Copper with a central hole.
        Water vapour generation:heating slab with tangential vapour inlet into the discharge volume, swirl stabilized.
        Water vapour: normal water H20, heavy water D2O, mixtures of these two types.
        Electrical current: about 5 – 10 A
        Voltage: about 100 – 150 V
        Plasma burning time: several seconds.

        It’s not clear whether they are claiming ‘overunity’, but the neutron emissions and helium (if actually detected) do appear to confirm that low energy nuclear fusion is taking place in the plasma – perhaps the patents elaborate on this. The PDF on the site says: “By appropriate changing of these parameters the fusion effect can be amplified up to the generation of excess heat or the generation of an explosion effect” but this may or may not be theoretical at present.

        They have a number of patents for the apparatus and relating to it:

        United States Patent #8129656 – Method for producing thermal energy – granted March 6, 2012, inventors Richard Reichmann, Karl-Ludwig Barth , assigned to Purratio AG.

        The following EU patents are referenced in the US patent:
        EP0393465 October, 1990 Method for producing plasma nuclear fusion.

        Various other national patents for the plasma apparatus, dating from 2007 onwards here:

        And here (Australia):

        And here:

        The US patent can be downloaded as a PDF (http://www.freepatentsonline.c… – it looks incredibly simple. The ‘Rossiesque’ sketch just shows a tube containing the two electrodes, the copper one with a venturi drilled through it, what are possibly electromagnets to guide the plasma (haven’t read it yet), plus a simple capacitor discharge circuit. It’s not immediately clear how the water/heavy water is introduced – perhaps a simple spray, like the Stanley Meyer ‘water fuel cell’ car conversion.

        It would seem that AlainCo spotted this patent a year ago, but it seems to have got buried in a very long thread.
        (find ‘purratio’)

        • Julian Becker

          Well the major thing this company is doing is glass. Not sure if they can be taken seriously or if it is like me trying to do cold fusion in my hotel’s kitchen….

          • Fortyniner

            Not glass as such, but nanoengineered coatings for glass. They would need pretty advanced research facilities to develop these products, which would be adequate to develop the apparently simple plasma reactor. In any case we have no way of knowing whether Messrs Reichmann and Barthe were employed by Purratio at the time of the invention and were carrying out company directed research (or perhaps stumbled on something while doing other work) or worked independently and later assigned the IP (presumably) in return for payment or a contract for royalties.

  • Allan Shura

    Anyone know how much the Wright brothers made off of the airplane patent before 1923?

  • Bernie777

    I think someone (larger entity) is behind Industrial Heat, maybe it is the Chinese?

    • Mr. Moho

      Darden said (TM) that Industrial Heat LLC does not have any Chinese investor.

      • GreenWin

        According to the SEC EDGAR database IH exempt security filing seeking additional investment of $8.4M.
        Fair enough, but it looks something like a “Frobisher Play.” That is, a facade to the shield entities behind Industrial Heat. Once IH files its business plan documenting next round of R&D verifications, manufacturing plans, and acquisition of specific rights in the E-Cat — they will be well on their way to theatrical heaven. We wish them good speed.

  • Christina

    Mr. Church says, “Intellectual property is a concept only practiced by the greedy corporate elite.”

    A lot of inventions used to be stolen from their originator and claimed by someone else who got credit because the true inventor was too concerned with inventing to worry about protecting his invention. So while the thief made money hand over fist, the true inventor starved or was never recognized and supported financially so (s)he could continue to invent, and a lot of discoveries were never passed on to humanity.

    Protecting intellectual property protects the inventor from thieves.

    Backyard garage inventors are great as long as they are willing to take the consequences of their mistakes; that includes being killed or disabled when the invention goes boom. Just because a person is confident (s)he can do it doesn’t mean that nature and/or people will cooperate. That’s one lesson I learned in life.

    The reason for the corporate model is that a lot of people can invest in the inventors creation coming to market. These people will then be remunerated when the invention is sold to the public. It’s only fair.

    What I wonder is will the people who give money over the Internet for the invention of cold fusion want to be remunerated if there is indeed an invention by the company they supported and lots of money is made by that company?

    I think it’s going to be a sticky legal question eventually.

    I’m with Dr. Rossi.

    True, he’s selling to China and South Korea and that’s probably because they don’t have an energy infrastructure yet. It also helps the poor who need lenr the most.

    I can see IH’s reasoning, but I’m sad it can’t be distributed in the U.S. first, but the giant that is the oil industry/coal industry would crush lenr. Plus, if he’s planned well, perhaps Dr. Rossi can get lenr to Africa and South America.

    I can’t wait to see what will happened? Will we finally be able to carry out Jesus’ commandment to care for the poor?

    (No, I do not do mention God to tick off anyone. I only speak as I think.)

    Thank you, Frank.

    Everyone have a good day and may God bless you all.

    • Justin Church

      I disagree when it comes to Exotic Energy Technologies. There should be no “Intellectual Property” and I don’t know of one modern day inventor that has had his work stolen and used for profit by the greedy corporate elite because I have yet to be able to buy any of it and still stuck with the same old dinosaur energy generation technologies my Great Grandfather used. What usually happens in this energy realm is the Inventor has his Eureka moment and decides its best to keep the details a secret until he can obtain dirty dollars from the corporate elite to further develop his technology to be of more use. That corporate pig intimidates or entices the inventor with money to keep the technology or information a secret and then black shelves it or keeps it locked up in compartmentalized research laboratories for years on end. With all the modern communication technology, tools, and materials we have access to today in my opinion its much smarter and logical for a small time inventor to openly share his Eureka moment or technology with the general public so it has no chance of being suppressed or dragged around for years on end by the energy cartels. Personally I do no care if ten years from now I am given credit for the concept of the H-Cat only that my son has the opportunity and most importantly the option to choose between a dirty energy technology or a clean and green energy technology. Right now we are only given one and only one option. I do not care if everyone on the planet steals the idea to develop their own version and I see a video pop up of by a guy named David that is calling it the D-Cat like he figured it out on his own. FINE! My intellectual property is everybody elses intellectual property and the arena I’m playing in is too important and too large to allow myself to think I’m the only one that deserves to study and refine the technology.I came into this world with nothing and I don’t mind leaving with nothing. In my opinion as it relates to these energy technologies the egotistical concept of “Intellectual Property” is the reason I cannot find any of the technology on a store shelf and 95 percent of the people I meet on the street have no idea the technology even exists….

      • Warthog

        “No intellectual property” has already been tried (for centuries) and resulted in huge losses of important discoveries when inventors kept “critical steps” secret and died before passing them on. IP is like democracy…..horrible, but better than everything else that has been tried.

        There are two facets of “IP”…..Patent and Copyright. These days, “Patent” works OK and gives an inventor exclusive rights for (IIRC) 28 years….then the discovery is up for all users. “Copyright” OTOH is badly broken. Copyright “used” to be for a similar period as patent. Then it became a longer period of time. Then it became “the authors lifetime”. Then it became “the author’s lifetime plus xxxx years”.

        Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck should long ago have become public properties. And the notion of copyrighting scientific papers for “authors lifetime plus” is ludicrous. THAT should be around FIVE years.

        • Omega Z

          Just a while back, 1 of the National Networks got dinged for a $1500 Royalty Fee for singing Happy Birthday on National TV.
          Happy Birthday has been around near 100 Years. Ridiculous.

          I strongly Believe Entities have a Reasonable right to recover or be compensated for work- Whether Intellectual or physical & Expenses incurred.

          But 20 Years should be sufficient time for a Patent or Copyright & if death occurs, the remaining time can be afforded the Estate or designate of the IP holder.

          Caveats can be added to protect the IP holder And Consumers.
          As in Example- CORP- buys Rossi’s IP, but then withholds it from market or doesn’t bring it to market within a reasonable period, All Rights revert back to Rossi who could make new arrangements.
          CORP would also forfeit any up front funds to Rossi. Maybe even some extension to IP Patent Period.
          There should also be penalties for Proven Patent Trolls as this costs everyone & is all about Greed.

      • Doug Cutler

        ” I don’t know of one modern day inventor that has had his work stolen and used for profit by the greedy corporate elite”

        Suggest viewing great movie “Flash of Genius”. It tells the true story of how Robert Kearns, inventor of the intermittent windshield wiper, had to fight big auto makers for years and years and years at great personal cost to get credit and reward for his innovation.

        • Justin Church

          Are you seriously trying to rebuttal my point by providing me with the story line of “Flash of Genius”? lol

          I really should have stated that I did not know of one modern day exotic energy inventor which had his work stolen by the corporations which placed product on the market based on the original inventors “Intellectual Property”.

          I’ve seen the movie and it has nothing to do with Exotic Energy Technologies. It was a stupid wiper blade timer and speed controller! Not a fusion reactor that could power the actual automobile and all of its electronics for years without any external sources.

          In my opinion the guy was a complete baby that had ego issues. BooHoo! They stole my idea and used it for profiteering!. Stomping around having a temper tantrum because he was not given credit for the idea when in reality all he did was put a few electronic components on a circuit board in the right order to create his “Intellectual Property”. Nothing special at all.

          At the moment in the movie when he saw the wiper blades running on that car and realized his circuit was used to make that happen, yes, its ok to be upset they stole your idea but he should have been happy “within” him self to know that his idea was grand enough to even be stolen and he was part of something which will save the lives of millions of drivers for the rest of history. Isn’t that enough? To know the truth within yourself. Does it have to be broadcast out into the public domain so you feel God Like with praise and royalties? In no way did the corporation act kindly in the situation but in my opinion that inventor was a selfish baby. The guy spent years fighting back only so his name would be recognized as the original inventor of the concept. What a self absorbed mindset!

          Everybody is entitled to their opinion I guess. As for myself, If I was in that guys shoes and the invention in question was a LENR reactor. A massive smile would be on my face if I found out the automobile cartels were installing them into their product line for consumers to purchase.
          I wouldn’t care one bit if my name was ever mentioned or if I made a dime off of it as long as my fellow neighbor has the opportunity to experience the technology. For me that is enough satisfaction, no red carpet, Hollywood star is needed for me to be content.

          If your invention can save lives or effect peoples lives in a positive way that should be enough to encourage open sharing and development. We are all connected, We are all one, therefore everybody’s IP is everyone else’s IP. We are all humans sharing the same experience on the same planet. My home is your home, my bread is your bread.

          • Doug Cutler

            Sir, I sense we share a common concern for the fate of humanity, so let’s celebrate the common ground before diving into particulars . . .

            As for our debate, I think there are really two main points at play. I will address the second one first as it concerns you and this blog the most. The questions:

            1) Will large corporations, given the opportunity, exploit the intellectual property of small time inventors or artistic creators? (Gee, can I get a “Duh!” on that one.)

            2) Are some inventions of such importance they should transcend normal patent law. Actually, this is a very interesting question. Indeed, a precedent already exists in US patent law:

            “No patent shall hereafter be granted for any invention or discovery which is useful solely in the utilization of special nuclear material or atomic energy in an atomic weapon. Any patent granted for any such invention or discovery is revoked, and just compensation shall be made therefor.”

            Here, the invention is deemed “too important to society” in the negative sense of its potential destructive power but the principal is very similar to what you are suggesting. After all, so much is at stake with commercial grade Cold Fusion, so many lives to be saved, so much imminent danger to avoid. But then the question arises: what authority should swoop down and sieze independent scientist XYZ’s research? The U.N.? NATO? The Italian Government? US Defense Department? You see the problem? Such an approach could just as easily be used for nefarious outcomes. And knowing this could happen, would pioneers even set out in the first place? At the moment we error on the side of individual rights and privacy.

            Now, I do like your thought experiment, “what if I’d invented commercial grade Cold Fusion myself?” Here, I’m rather sympathetic. Why not go open source as soon as possible to ensure its quickest utilization? Save humanity NOW! I would certainly be tempted that way myself. As you say, forget the royalties . . . just think, the Nobel Prize, the movie rights, the book deals, the high fee speaking engagements, the adulation and royal treatment everywhere you went . . . you’d be living in the lap of luxury the rest of your life. Plus there’s the knowledge of standing shoulder to shoulder in history with the likes of Gallileo, Newton and Einstein and did we mention the moral imperative of saving humanity! And if all of that’s not enough . . . just think of the impression on a first date!

            All jesting aside, the argument for going open source deserves consideration. Indeed, that fact that people making claims of commercial grade CF/LENR have not done so is one of the factors (among others) that causes me to remain skeptical. I tend to give far more credence to scientists who ARE working transparently like Profs. Swartz and Hagelstein as well as the folks over at the MFMP (Martin Fleischman Memorial Project).

            Now, lets return to the plight of the small inventor: Patent law cuts both ways protecting the Intellectual Property rights of corporations and individuals alike. The Robert Keans case was actually rather important; it helped affirm an important precedent of patent law namely that novel recombinations of pre-existing elements that produce novel functions are still patentable. Thus intermittent windshield wipers, though made up of know elements, represented a novel arrangment with a novel purpose. All small scale inventors that have come after owe Kearns a huge debt for the long, difficult and pricipled battle he fought. Without this protection, for example, Kickstarter as we know it would not exist – individuals using their own ingenuity and initiative to carve out new livelihoods for themselves and their familes in difficult economic times. Large corporations would simply pick off everyone’s wonderful innovations as they popped up, initiatives like the GoSun solar oven that seek to bring affordable solar ovens to the developing world.

            The process of invention/creativity can be EXTREMELY difficult even after the moment of insight strikes. As Eddison said, “its 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration”. Artists and inventors often spend years in unpaid effort developing their ideas and products. Much of the time they fail. Without Intellectual Property Rights in general its arguable that most of the movies, novels, music, art and useful gadgets of modern world would never have been created in the first place.

            Now final question: assuming Rossi has something, do you think he would have conducted his many thousands of reported lead up experiments in the first place without the prospect of patent protection?

      • Omega Z

        Any Individual can do as he pleases with “HIS” intellectual property. Make it freely available or keep it to himself.

        Corporations protect theirs in order to get a return on their investments. Investments of Millions or Billions in order to bring products to Market.

        An Example would be the 5 Billion that Intel recently spent building a new Manufacturing plant for new Chip designs. A Facility that would “NEVER” have been built with out IP protection “A Patent” & a Product that would therefore never be available to the masses.

        As to the Knowledge- It becomes freely available even if a Patent is obtained. The Patent just assures they recover their expenses/royalties (ROI) of development.

        To My knowledge, As an Individual- You can do as you wish with this information as long as you don’t manufacture to sell. In which case they want their percentage of the profits. Usually in the range of 2% depending on what is negotiated.

        NOTE: That scientists share their knowledge all the time. Others may reverse engineer & develop their own approach or use as is & advance it tho citations & credit will be required.

        Where Information becomes Locked Up- As in not freely available Usually involves the Scientific Entities such as Nature Magazine Etc… Many times this is behind Pay Walls.

        This restricts the availability of most people to access it Including Scientists as only a limited amount of funding is available to pay for such access. I should note that this doesn’t even guarantee that the information is correct. Much of it isn’t peer reviewed even tho they imply such. I also note that many Scientists are for getting rid of Pay Walls. They want a Free Flow of Knowledge. Other then those who make their living off of this Pay Wall System.

        The REAL Problem isn’t so much that Information isn’t Freely Available(Eliminate Pay Walls & All of it will/should be)

        The REAL Problem is that there is so much Information. MILLIONS of Pages Every Year. No One Individual can keep up. Even with the Internet, 10’s of thousands of pages of research gets lost, misplaced & forgotten. That’s a lot of wasted Tax Dollars.

        Many Scientists doing the same research & Many not even aware of the Others work or results.
        There needs to be a New System developed for cataloging & disseminating this information.

        As To YOUR WORK- Kudos. Mainstream Science doesn’t care to admit it, but 80% of Ideas & Breakthrough Technology comes from the people who tinker/develop things in their Garage/ Workshop, Basement or the Fringe Scientists doing things on the side in the Lab. Without Which, Science knowledge would slow to a Crawl…

  • bachcole

    Although I am not a greedy corporate elitist, I do want to do the best that I can do for my family financially. Just now someone from a solar company called me to discuss putting a solar unit on my roof. It would be reimbursed $1.50 per annual kWh (I think) up to $7,500. We only used like 5734 kWhs last year. Our monthly electricity cost is $46.62. I don’t know what it would cost, but whatever it is, time in months until breakeven will be [(cost) – $7,500] / $46.62. And my cost per kilowatt hour is $.0975. That seems sort of high.

    Just how soon do you guys think that LENR will begin to bring down our electricity costs, including grid and personal units?

    • Fortyniner

      I’ve just been looking for a prognostication I made back in 2011 but can’t find it (I tend to write longer posts on my PC then paste them to the blog). The gist was that if CF was ever allowed to emerge (as it seems to be doing), and the potential losers were eventually forced to accept this and adapt accordingly, they would get together (i.e., conspire!) to create a new ‘green crusade’ with the ostensible purpose of converting most of the world’s power generation to CF in order to ‘save the planet’.

      However the real purpose would be to justify continued high metered electricity prices and hefty green taxes to underwrite the process, despite the fact that the energy cartels (and govts through taxation) would be the direct beneficiaries of the conversion. I still think this is probably how it will pan out.

  • georgehants

    Scientific American
    What is the largest type of trash produced in the U.S.? It’s not whatever you’re thinking, most likely. It’s coal ash.
    Burning coal produces more than 100 million metric tons of coal ash per year—the
    gray or black sooty aftermath of our fossil fuel habit. Even though a
    good chunk of it is turned into concrete, tens of millions of metric
    tons end up dumped back into old mines and landfills or impounded in
    slurry ponds (to keep it from blowing away).

    • Buck

      “The Hazards of Coal Ash” (LINK>>

      Living near a wet coal ash storage pond is significantly more dangerous than smoking a pack of cigarettes a day, according to a risk assessment done by the EPA. The toxins found in coal ash have been linked to organ disease, cancer, respiratory illness, neurological damage, and developmental problems. People living within 1 mile of unlined coal ash ponds can have a 1 in 50 risk of cancer—more than 2,000 times higher than what the EPA considers acceptable.

      Coal ash contains arsenic, lead, mercury, and selenium, as well as aluminum, barium, boron, and chlorine. All can be toxic. Particularly where there is prolonged exposure, these toxins can cause cancer, heart damage, lung disease, respiratory distress, kidney disease, reproductive problems, gastrointestinal illness, birth defects, impaired bone growth in children, and behavioral problems. In short, coal ash toxics have the potential to injure all of the major organ systems in adults (including pregnant women) and children alike.

      Exposure to toxic coal ash can lower birth rates, cause tissue disease, slow development and even kill plants and animals, leading to changes in wildlife concentrations and disruptions in entire ecosystems. The toxic pollution from coal ash builds up in exposed animals and plants, causing the pollution to make its way up the food chain when they are eaten. Children are more susceptible to the health impacts of coal ash—and according to the EPA, 1.54 million children live near coal ash storage sites. Not only is coal ash toxic, it is likely to grow increasingly dangerous.

      Air pollution control technologies—scrubbers, selective catalytic reduction, and activated carbon injection technologies to capture mercury and other hazardous air pollutants—capture an increasing proportion of the coal pollutants that would otherwise go up the smokestacks. When those pollutants are captured, they are shifted from the air to the coal ash. Mercury and other pollutants that previously contributed to air pollution are now becoming solid wastes—and when they leach into water, their toxicity is carried into the water as well. Unfortunately, one toxic environmental problem is being traded for another.

      The Sierra Club continues to work with affected citizens, state governments, Congress, and the EPA to ensure that safegaurds will be placed on coal ash pollution to address this growing problem. We work toward concrete assurances for protecting our water sources and air quality, and any regulations on coal ash must be truly protective of the health of our communities and our environment.

      Visit our Coal Ash Map to see locations of just some of the coal ash waste sites across the country.


      • georgehants

        Buck, Do you think it possible that something like Cold Fusion could help with the problem?
        Let’s all stand up and applaud the scientific community for trying their best to embrace a technology that would remove the suffering etc. caused by the coal dust.

        • Buck

          seems possible. 😉

        • bachcole

          Not too bitter. (:->)

        • GreenWin

          And yet it is extraordinary that not a single “green” organization has shown interest in the LENR solution. “When will they ever learn?” Peter, Paul, Mary.

          • Omega Z

            It’s bad for Job Security. THEIRS…

      • NT

        Good analyses Buck, but you forgot to include a couple of others:
        “Coal contains naturally occurring primordial radionuclide thus the use of coal as a heat source for electric power generation will result in the emission of a variety of natural radioactive elements into the environment. The trace elements in coal that are naturally radioactive are uranium (U), thorium (Th), and their decay products, including radium (Ra) and radon (Rn). Thus coal fired power plant is a major contributor towards the Technologically Enhanced Natural Radiation (TENR) as it results in generation of huge amounts of fly ash and bottom ash containing natural radionuclides.”

        • bachcole

          But, TENR – T + L = LENR.

        • Buck

          The nightmare seldom discussed is that coal ash is far more radioactive than people imagine. Just take a quick gander at the Sci American piece below.


          All of this helps me to recall a theory of the Easter Island Monoliths.

          Apparently, in the deep past Easter Island had a vibrant ecosystem with extensive vegetation, including forests, and animal species. There was a leader/kings/tribal chief eager for Ego gratification, a symbol of his power for all other leaders to be in awe of and had a head carved and conveyed to an imposing position for all to see. This took lumber, lots of it.

          The other leaders recognized the symbol, took umbrage, and then had their own carved and set in positions of authority on the island. This of course took lots of lumber to convey and lever the monolith into position.

          The ‘ego wars’ were on . . . and from our vantage point, the lesson is plain to see if you want. While some see the mystery of the Easter Island Monoliths as beautiful . . . others see the destruction of human habitat/ecosystem for the sake of the leader’s power.

        • it is a well known fact that coal is dumping more radioactivity every year than fukushima .
          The recent fukuschima leak was estimated as a quarter of one coal power plant as there are 2000 on the planet and many build in china every year.

          The islandic volcano (eifloy…kull) have throown more radioactivity in the athmosphere than chernobyl…

          but rationality is impossible in that domain.

          • NT

            I have to disagree with you a bit allainCo. Most of the manmade stuff (Plutonium for one) does not even exist in nature…

            • the usual sophism that because it is natural or artificial, it is different…
              what count is the toxicity, activity…
              Thorium,U238/235 and P40 are not innocent…
              A good manipulation technique is only to measure non natural elements, ignoring the others …
              all that is a question of ideology if not religion… Nuclear energy is hopeless because it is too sensible to irrational fears.

              fukushima leak recently was 25% of planet yearly production of banana. (see banana equivalent dose)

              • NT

                “Usual sophism”- huh! Well I tried – You sir go ahead and keep your banana theory going as folks in Japan will soon be dying, or worse, from this latest disaster – bye…

  • georgehants

    Glimpsing Heat from Alien Technologies
    This is not to say that there cannot be other forms of intelligence,
    but this specific form of intelligence would allow a species to overcome
    resource limitations and grow. This intelligent application of energy
    can, in principle, be used to expand a population, and an energy supply,
    to fundamental physical limits (see for instance, my “TED-style” talk here.)
    If this has ever happened — if an alien civilization has ever used
    its intelligence to create an energy supply that rivals the output of
    stars — then their waste heat would probably be detectable with today’s
    astronomical instrumentation.

    • Fortyniner

      And we are supposed to worry about how much heat leaks out through our windows!

      • Omega Z

        Depends on the Season. Leaks In or Leaks Out.

        Having suffered negative single/double digit temps as of late, Leaks Out are of concern. 🙂

    • Pekka Janhunen

      If (a very big if) endothermic LENR exists, they can eliminate waste heat.

  • Sandy

    Regarding that “One point of correction”, Mr. Sweeney’s article reads, “A South Korean company promptly secured rights to produce and market the Brillouin LENR boiler, and a Chinese firm did much the same with Rossi’s E-Cat.” I believe that Mr. Sweeney means “a Chinese firm” acquired the right to “produce and market” the E-Cat, not that the firm acquired the right to Rossi’s intellectual property. The firm’s right to produce and market is probably limited to the territory of mainland China, or a portion of that territory. That would be consistent with the E-Cat licensing agreements that Rossi (i.e., Leonardo Corporation) entered into before Industrial Heat LLC acquired Rossi’s intellectual property.

    • Omega Z

      If I recall, The Chinese connection was of a Research Park Development.(Note they may be American Chinese. A common situation)
      I would guess, Developing Products that can make use of the E-Cats heat output.

      We tend to forget that there is no E-cat ready products in the market. As in-Rossi invented the Engine. Now we need to develop a Car it will work in. Otherwise you have but an Engine that can go nowhere,,,

  • FrankM

    The real head-in-the-sand-I-can’t-wrap-my-head-around-this contemplation will be the implications for humanity when we become totally independent of the sun for our energy needs. Where will that lead us? AC Clark is smiling from wherever he is right now.

  • GreenWin

    It is good to see positive press on the E-Cat – even if it is oddly inaccurate on details. This story was submitted to the Morning Post Exchange by Jim Sweeney of London, Ontario. Morning Post Exchange is the brainchild of Jon Rohr, Publisher, Editor, President, and member of the board at Exchange Business Communications Inc., based in Waterloo Ont. One reason the Morning Post Exchange may have gotten the rights assignment (to China) mixed up is its affinity to the South China Morning Post Group – the Hong Kong based publisher of the South China Morning Post. The SCMP Group is run by Robert Kuok and the Kerry Group, whose partner is Rupert Murdoch’s giant News Corporation.

    Time for more Mandarin classes?

  • Charles

    Most people don’t even want to think about the impact LENR is going to have on the world. There is not an intellect out there capable of forecasting the world as it will be 10 years from now.

    My prayer is that it, and 3-d printing, will bury the political class and the financial class.

    • Justin Church

      Absolutely. Not only are we on the cusp of having energy technologies like Lenr / Cold Fusion on the market but 3d printing is also about to explode out into the market place. I’ve been looking at 3d printing for a while. Soon you will be able to buy printers that can produce plastic and metal parts or items. Imagine how that is going to change the retail market place. 90 percent of the items you buy in department stores can be 3d printed from home. I have also noticed that 90 percent of my garbage is in the form of packaging material from products purchased from retail stores, which will also be greatly reduced due to the widespread use of 3d printing. I also find myself pondering what the world is going to be like in a decade. Utopia is all I can come up with : )

    • Ryan

      Well, don’t forget to add in advancing AI systems and genetic medicine, both of which will have tremendous effects on the way our culture works. I too am constantly observing 3D printing and look forward to it reaching molecular level construction capabilities. To my mind a dynamic new energy source can act as a propellant to achieving these other technologies much more quickly.

  • mecatfish

    They better do something quick. By next winter we will all be buying HHO bubblers and catalytic converters and coming to these boards to drink beer, eat wings and laugh at all those guys fighting over intellectual property.

    • Justin Church

      That is why I open sourced the concept. Intellectual property is a concept only practiced by the greedy corporate elite.

      • GreenWin

        No Justin. Ask any artist or musician why they copyright their work. And why many musicians create their own publishing companies. To protect their work from being stolen by greedy corporate elites and thieves.

        • Justin Church

          I agree to a certain extent but allow me to further elaborate on my point. A cleverly written piece of music with catchy lyrics is not really going to save lives and bring world peace. We have millions if not billions of musical genres and artists to choose from who are in constant competition because the industry is so saturated but not a single artist or song can do anything for me but provide me with entertainment or mood matching lyrics for 3-5 minutes of my life. When the song is over, I’m still stuck in the same prison I was before the song started. When it comes to some of these energy technologies we have less options and competition than I have fingers. The options we do have is unacceptable, expensive, inefficient and usually highly toxic. Millions of innocent men women and children die each year not because they were not able to listen to a uniquely written song by an artist that had it stolen from them but because they were cold and hungry and had no access to clean energy technologies which could have provided that warmth, cooked that food, or purified that water. An individual or corporation claiming “Intellectual Property” on these technologies is like getting directly in front of these poor individuals, eating a steak dinner and washing it down with Fuji Water while never offering your fellow brother or sister any of it and watching them slowly die right in front of you. To Hell with the rest of mankind as long as I get mine right? Music will never be able to impact the lives of our society in as many positive ways or solve the problems mankind faces like these energy technologies will. The fact that the energy market can be considered a profit driven Monopoly should welcome open competition from thousands of people. Why copyright or patent an energy technology that can be of valuable use to all 7 billion people on the planet regardless of race, religion, or age? Can you or even a group of your paid “Intellectual Property” licensees build all 7 billion devices and distribute in a timely manner? Last I checked SuperMan was still a fictional comic book character. This energy transition and development is going to take ALL OF US WORKING TOGETHER to make it happen quickly, accurately, and honestly. This industry is bigger than any other industry on the face of the planet and there is enough room for EVERYONE to be involved and profit. Just because I tell you how to build an LENR device doesn’t mean I’m going to lose out. The person or group that builds the better mousetrap will win in the end. If my version of the same mousetrap doesn’t stand up to consumer demand then I guess the other group had what it takes to bring the technology to a level I could not see or comprehend by myself. Just saying…

          • GreenWin

            Reasonable in a just world. But as we have seen over the last century or two – it is not a just world. And people lie, cheat and steal – then lie about what they stole. Personally I am sure the E-Cat in the hands of an entity threatened by low cost, clean, abundant energy – will suddenly be found, toxic, fraudulent, radioactive, explosive, etc. And we will see the P&F scenario all over again. We already have four, active, utterly different approaches to commercial LENR. Anyone with courage can buy a Nanor, or HHO-cat materials, or dream up their own approach. Few are doing so publicly. Why not?? Laziness? Fear of ridicule? Ignorance? Fear of truth?

            No Justin. Science IS an art. Not a very accomplished one. Rossi has ZERO obligation to anyone until he and his team are convinced they have a fully functional, safe product. In the early days of AIDS doctors refused to issue AZT to patients because it had not been tested and proven effective. Same here. Rossi does not yet have a fully functioning commercial product. I say, let him work his way. And I commend you Justin for your approach. However, do not judge Dr. Rossi as you would yourself. AZT turned out to be lethal in wrong dosages.