Report From Short Course on Cold Fusion at MIT [Update: NANOR photo included]

Here’s a report from Barry Simon who has been attending the course Cold Fusion 101: Introduction to Excess Power in Fleischmann-Pons Experiments at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), which is being co-taught by Drs. Mitchell Swartz and Peter Hagelstein, and which runs from Jan 27-31.

Hi all:

Went to MIT today for the CF 101 course. Bottom line, Mitchel Swartz has made the NANORS so efficient he is now selling them. Put out a pre-order list today. Pricing or leasing will come out in Feb.

Last year he said a NANOR he was working with reached 80 COP for thirty minutes. The new series of NANORS (series 8 I think) are better than last year’s models. He wouldn’t tell me the consistent COP, said I’d have to wait until Friday (last day of the class).

I took some photos of the NANORs he brought with him. They look like a tiny firecracker with a fuse (wire, about ten gauge) on either end. I asked if he was concerned about someone cutting them open to discover his trade secrets and he said, “Well, maybe they will be able to improve them.” I admire the CF scientists who want to see the phenomenon come to fruition rather than make $$$. He and Peter Hagelstein share/ teach all they know about CF openly (at least I think they do).

I know the NANOR or Jet Energy wasn’t on Mike McKubre’s list of the four CF horses heading towards the finish line, but as far as transparency and style, I’d put Jet Energy out in front. Mitchell Swartz’s attitude seems the same as Mike McKubre’s when he said, “If one wins, we all win.”

It was a slow Fall but “Cold Fusion interesting times” seem back with us. Peace, Barry

P.S. MIT video part two out soon.

UPDATE: Barry sent this picture he took of some NANORs

NANOR 2014_edited-1
Photo credit: Barry Simon
  • psi

    thanks!

    • psi

      Great video!

  • psi2u2

    brkharold, do you have a link? Thanks.

  • Bertuswonkel

    Nice that looks pretty awesome! Thanks Berry
    Is he planning on selling this? How expensive is it?
    I want one, look’s like a nice little experiment.

    • http://magicmusicandmore.com/ Barry

      Hi Bert, see comments below.

  • Veblin

    I see our friend Doktor Bob has not been here in awhile, but i did come across this video of him.
    He seems to be practicing some hydrino hypnosis mind control at MIT Cold Fusion 2014.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YexISdf-FPk

    Nanor Nanor Nanor

    • Veblin

      I have seen Doktor Bob in quite a few videos and his look often changes. He often wears glasses but after watching this one many times i find it very disturbing. It seems that Doctor Bob’s hydrino particle accelerator may have split Doktor Bob in two. It looks like an evil Doktor Bob wearing glasses has hypnotized good Doctor Bob to believe there is nothing to see at MIT Cold Fusion 2014.

      I may be wrong? What do you think is happening? Who and where is the real complete Doktor Bob?

    • http://magicmusicandmore.com/ Barry

      Huh?

  • Omega Z

    Except, since the last moon landing, NASA moves very slow. Another 20 years.

  • robyn wyrick

    Obama just mentioned Research Triangle region around Raleigh, North Carolina — but so far nothing about LENR. Not expected, but certainly hoped for. But “fuels of the future”.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Strange that I don’t find these words in the transcript (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamas-2014-state-of-the-union-address-full-text/). There is however “My administration has launched two hubs for high-tech manufacturing in Raleigh and Youngstown…”, is that what you’re referring to?

      • robyn

        Hey Pekka, Yes, that must have been the phrasing.

        It appears by this article (http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9394065) that the hub in Raleigh is based at North Carolina State, not at “nearby” Research Triangle, where the article mentions he visited a Finnish company making AC drives.

        But here’s my read of the tea leaves: when I heard Al Gore describing “very intriguing investigations of what used to be called cold fusion”, (http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/06/al-gore-intrigued-by-cold-fusionlenr/), I became convinced that he was speaking out of school, and that very high in the administration they are watching this.

        I hope I don’t read too much into it, but I don’t believe Obama’s reference to the hub in Raleigh is coincidental. As the credibility of Rossi’s claims have been hugely reinforced by recent disclosures, I think LENR is being shown to be a radically transformational technology. And I think (again, pure gut feeling on this) – I think the mention of Raleigh is about positioning the administration to be able to say they have been backing it, which, given the past government programs at the Navy, the current NASA statements, and recent RFP by ARPA-E, I think we can safely say they have.

        When the ECat lands in the mainstream any administration will want to be behind it, and to get credit.

        I’m an optimist, but I don’t think believing Rossi is any more about optimism.

  • Anthony Richards

    One wonders whether the medieval alchemists stumbled on it first ?

  • Ged

    So… I’ve been very busy with life and away from here for some months. Ever since the E-cat HT tests. But my goodness, never did I excpect to see all THIS after remembering to take a look here. Criminy, what a torrent of revelations.

    The game is changed now. I also see what Rossi meant by his US partner being a carrier or battleship (or flotilla, I think he used that analogy as well once). And that MIT course is just… mmm. Whatever MIT invests in, you know is most likely coming on the forefront of technological progress.

    Anyways… Happy New Year guys! Hope to see Pekka around; I do miss our old speculative talks.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Hi, I’m here. Could you open up a bit of the carrier/battleship/flotilla thing? Do you think, is it a reference to size only or some marine connection too?

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Ged, concerning theories, the only new clue I’ve had in last few months is the following rather trivial thought: If the Japanese deuterium caused Cs->Pr transmutation results are correct, then it probably must mean that several deuterons can enter into metal nucleus at once, because intermediate products Ba, La, Ce were not seen. With other starting metal they got different transmutations, but always effectively with 2*N deuterons entering into nucleus where N=1,2,3 depends on the starting element.

      • Ged

        Whoa, hm, I’d missed that when looking at the Japanese data. That is very, very interesting. If that is true, that has some pretty far reaching implications for the mechanism by which the phenomenon occurs. Seems that might further implicate a linear bose-einstine condensate as being a good possibility as we’d already suspected, since that could allow for the coordination of three or more nuclei (i.e. two deuterons and one metal). Hmm…

        Hopefully others have noticed your observation.

  • clovis ray

    hi, guy. i agree that gods hand was on this project and have said so the start, and i was completely convinced when i seen this video please go to 1:minute in and you will hear what Dr. rossie said himself,

    listen and watch carefully, and you see him fold his hand as if god had just spoke to him. remember 1 minute in.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rGzaNzAyLc&list=FLQs6VCWfEJapAsEzpi21H3A&feature=share&index=26

  • Gerard McEk

    Just a few considerations after having read the article. The author dos not explain the results of the Brillouin reactor, which produces helium. In fact he claims CF only works with a proton in a Reyberg state interaction with heavier atoms like nickel. Further I would like to hear the authors view on Mills’ hydrinos as being the basis for BLP reactor. I like the starting-point of the BSM-SG model, it would put the physics-world upside down!

    • Karl

      I agree in regard to the BSM theory. I have had the pleasure of study Sargs theory as a layman of course. It is certainly very interesting.

  • verne

    That is small enough I could put a few in the lining of my jacket with a recharchable battery. It was -20 F when I took the dog out this morning so my thoughts were focused on staying warm.

  • Charles

    Toss this in your thinking bachcole. The Mayans did not predict the end of the world would occur December 31, 2012. They merely predicted we would be entering a “new age”. One can certainly argue that 2013 was the year CF moved into the real world to introduce that age. Just imagining all the changes toward a new world that devices such as the E-Cat will bring to every household in the world makes one credit this to a higher power. God truly does take care of his children. At his pace.

    • bfast

      Streeeetch! 1989 when Pons announced. 2011 when Rossi announced. Or 2014/5 when wikipedia removed “pathological science” from their description of LENR. But not 2012 or 2013

  • Curbina

    That’s on February 25th.

  • georgehants

    From Vortex with thanks —
    http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg89507.html
    ——-
    I have the pleasure to inform you about this new paper of Dr. Stoyan Sarg
    Sargoytchev published in the on-line General Science Journal
    *Nickel-Hydrogen Cold Fusion by Intermediate Rydberg State of Hydrogen:
    Selection of the Isotopes for Energy Optimization and Radioactive Waste
    Minimization*
    http://gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Essays/View/5281
    Really bold ideas; enjoy! (it is downloadable)
    Peter

    Dr. Peter Gluck
    Cluj, Romania

  • Freethinker

    Great stuff Barry.

    Are the devices he plan to sell intended for people taking the class, or…?
    Can you give a link to the pre-order list (if on the web)?
    Pictures? You have a link to those?

    You cannot dangle goodies like that in front of us and not give us the details ;)

    • http://magicmusicandmore.com/ Barry

      Available to anyone Freethinker. M Swartz said it will probably be like early computers where people will buy them to see what’s inside.
      There’s a sign up list, but remember Palladium, along with the prep is quite pricey.

    • Bertuswonkel

      Agreed, where do we sign up? Would be great if Barry could ask if and where we can buy one, or two or three…

      Maybe we could do a small crowd funding with the people on this site, and some others.
      I would be willing to make a small donation. Small price to pay for something that awesome,

      Question is, do who do we send it?
      You would need:
      – Lot’s of spare time
      – Good video equipment and fast internet link
      – Some computer skills
      – Preferably a lab or work shop at you disposal
      – Skills and experience in measuring stuff
      – Probably forgot something

      Any volunteers?

  • alanfromtas

    Elegantly said bachcole, and with a prophetic edge. How gracious is the One and Only! Mankind has not only killed his messengers, but is now well on the way to destroying His creation. I despaired at what the fossil fuel industry was doing to this planet. I despaired that, by and large, the godly people of the United states and even Colorado Springs, didn’t understand and didn’t care. And then 18 months ago, I heard about LENR and other emergent technologies. It seems to me that the One and Only has intervened. He will not let us destroy his creation. He has given us a second chance, by revealing mysteries of the atom hidden since the dawn of time. Praise His name!

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Throughout history, inventions have occurred every now and then. This one is so big that it’s certainly very rare, perhaps even the biggest single one throughout all history, although it’s too early to judge.
    In recent decades we have been mainly watching the miniaturisation of electronics and its various applications and consequences. This rather routine activity has perhaps somewhat alienated us from how real inventions look like. On the other hand, big inventions have always caused resistance and restlessness. In principle, due to connectivity and higher education we have anyway better chances to weather such transient pains than previous generations.

  • Bertuswonkel

    Great news! Swartz is one of the best experimenters working on LENR. He has done many experiments for the last 25 years and his results were important for me to consider CF being real.

    As you know CF people are chronically underfunded so i think it is not a bad idea to work with as small of a sample as you can. This significantly reduces the costs and speeds up development. It makes it more easy to analyze working samples and see why they work and others don’t. The NANOR are experimental devices build for a proof of concept. Once you have one working with 80 COP as he claims, then you can make 100 of them, connect them and voilà, you have your commercial CF device. Alternatively you can make the NANOR larger, but I think a module with many small NANOR’s will be a more robust device. One can fail, the others will still work. Don’t get stuck on the small power gains, with the proper funding it will not be possible to scale it up.

    • Allan Shura

      Exactly. One of the things about CF or LENR is that electrical power applications are indirect via heat. Direct generation
      with other methods (magnet motors, static etc.) is the skipping of the heat to mechanical input steps for power production.

  • Allan Shura

    If this is scaled up or in an array it could be a source of heat and power for the demands we see in our daily lives. What I could not find on the site is though there was a cop over 10 is what the absolute temperature gains achieved are. For example if there is a heat gain but the system is below boiling point it is useful for heating but not for the conventional superheated steam boiler adaptation. Lower
    temperature generators are used in for example boiling water reactors using a torus instead of high pressure steam for generators.
    To achieve the somewhat higher temperatures the system has to be durable from a thermal standpoint.

    • Bertuswonkel

      Well don’t forget that electricity is but a small percentage of the total energy use (in the Netherlands it is calculated to be just 2% of total energy demand). A significant proportion of the energy which is used is low grade heat. Keeping buildings warm with a CF device is actually more important, in terms of CO2 reductions, then making electricity. So no big problem if it cannot make steam yet, a boiler for in a house is a huge market. If he would be able to pull that off it is a big and important achievement.

  • Sanjeev

    That’s a good news and very noble effort indeed. Looks like its a Pd-D wet system with output in milliwatts, good only for experiments in sophisticated labs. If he is selling them, he must be confident that these cells perform and results are reproducible.
    As we know, the wet systems are not commercially viable (so far), so obviously he is not worried about someone copying it. Its all open anyway, no secrets. And if people can copy it successfully, it will be a solid proof of LENR, just what MFMP needs.
    Who knows some smart engineer out there may improve it to get more watts out, as he says.
    Now that he is giving it away, does it mean that he has an advanced version ready with useful energy output? Hopefully Barry will find that out.

    • Mr. Moho

      Apparently (unless I misunderstood something) it’s a dry, preloaded system.
      No gaseous hydrogen/deuterium, no electrolysis.

      • Sanjeev

        Ok, I had that old image in mind. I checked on their website and you are right. Its a preloaded cell, but still Pd-D with mW of output. No idea about their latest one, may be it produces more power ?

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Hydrogen/deuterium should be involved somehow. It seems to be the common denominator of all these LENR experiments. Maybe they use a solid hydrogen source, like a metal hydride. Or, as you say, a preloaded metal sample in a sealed container. In this case, it would either be a throwaway system, or it should be possible to refill gaseous hydrogen/deuterium if required.

        • Bertuswonkel

          He uses a pre-loading system. This is very good because he is therefore able to separate the loading form excess heat generation. This reduce the chance that the heat is due to some chemical effect from the loading ect. Furthermore, control experiments are more easy, use one that is not loaded and one that is to see the difference.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Before this posting, we noted in our latest blog post that Mitchel Schwartz had already offered that the MFMP test his last generation NANOR, we have been waiting for the resources to schedule it in.

      http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/general-updates/359-paper-tigers

      • Private Citizen

        Excellent news. You run a trustworthy lab.

        Low power of the NANOR might prove problematic in demonstrating significant excess power, but the small size and simplicity might make very accurate calorimetry easier.

        Now you’ve got time to plan and design a test rig. With your accumulated experience, we’ll likely see reliable results right away.

      • ecatworld

        Thanks, Bob. How much are the NANORs?

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    JT Vaughn ‏@jt_vaughn21 Oct 2012
    ‘I want no horses or yachts — I have no time for them. What I want is a perfect workshop.’ — Edison

  • tq

    well said, and we should restart the calendar with year one, the year we become energy independent.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    Actually computers and Internet must count as a great scientific discovery and that was not thousands of years ago.

    I would however EXPECT great things to arise because of our new information age. 20 years ago anyone interested in cold fusion would attend the library, read that cold fusion does not work and do something else. Now garage scientists and “science teachers” (as in Nanor device) can contribute with information gleened from the WWW.

    • Fortyniner

      Yes – without the internet, the suppression of cold fusion would have been totally effective and no information would have been available to experimenters. But computers derive from the discovery of the transistor and the web arose from the international telephone system, which in turn…

      The sequence through which we are finally arriving at another energy revolution goes back through generations, and we are simply fortunate enough to be present during a first harvest of the fruits of all this. It seems entirely possible that new discoveries that will come when LENR (or hydrino) mechanisms are investigated fully by scientists may put even this in the shade, and I hope that the world my children and grandchildren grow up in may be vastly better than the present one as a result.

      Unfortunately the financial parasites who currently run the world may yet ensure that they are the sole beneficiaries of the colossal new wealth that cheap, clean energy will produce, and a real fight for control of the new technology is almost certainly already under way.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        I don’t agree, although I guess it doesn’t really matter. I think that internet is just a new flavour of communication, nothing dramatic. It reduces delays and freedom, but also increases noise. Letters, phones, person to person communication and local newspapers were not as efficient as the modern way, but they nevertheless did their job.

        • Fortyniner

          Sanjeev and Pekka

          I think the Internet has been crucial because it is the only ‘broadcast’ (as opposed to inter-personal) communication medium that has not so far been captured by various partisan interests or directly influenced by deliberately created memes. Despite the noise, it is the only available channel through which virtually anyone can publish without editorial constraint, and yet which reaches decision makers at all levels.

          If TV, radio, newspapers, magazines and academic journals were the sole channels of broadcast communication, I’m pretty sure that no-one would have heard a further word about cold fusion after P&F, and Rossi would still be almost alone in his workshop and would have remained there until he ran out of money.

          • ecatworld

            I agree, 49er — and long may the Internet remain free and open for such purposes!

        • Pekka Janhunen

          Meant to say “It reduces delays and increases freedom, but…”

      • Sanjeev

        Internet has surely hastened it, but not enabled it. Truth is very resilient. It can be delayed but cannot be suppressed. If a generation or society suppresses it, it pops up in some other place at some other time. Galileo could do it in dark ages without internet or any fast communication, it just took a long time.
        Abundant clean energy, by its very nature, must result in a more homogenous humanity in terms of access to resources. There will always be the rich and greedy class, no amount of energy or material abundance can change that. You need a spiritual and intelligence revolution to change that. Important thing is abundant energy will at least make everyone, rich or poor free and fulfill all their basic needs. There are too many people in this world who are living like animals or are locked up in golden cages with an illusion of prosperity. Happiness is rare.

    • Charles

      friendly, while we are out groping for great inventions, allow me to propose the following as one of the single inventions that led to huge advances in mankind. The first transistor was invented at Bell Laboratories on December 16, 1947 by William Shockley , John Bardeen and Walter Brattain.

      This was, in my humble opinion, the start of the modern age. The computers that we carry around in our phones and calculators would not exist. I suspect you have never seen a vacuum tube except perhaps in a museum. The transistor obliterated the vacuum tube. That phone you carry around in your shirt pocket, done in vacuum tubes, would likely fill the Met Life Stadium and use all the power generated on the East Coast. Without the transistor (solid state electronics more accurately) the computer, as we know it, and the internet would not exist.

      A slight mental stretch can move you from the solid state transistor to CF.

    • bitplayer

      While it may be nice to have a smart phone that can tell me which market will have the best price for my turnip crop, I’m not sure I wouldn’t prefer:
      – an electric water purification system
      – indoor lighting
      – an electric jitney
      – a microwave
      – a vacuum cleaner
      – a washing machine
      – electric room heating
      – power for my smart phone

  • friendlyprogrammer

    Yes. The Nanor has always been Open Source to my understanding. Kudos. My brain will not function enough to comment until after the Blacklight demonstration tomorrow though.

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    The year is starting good and you really get the feeling that we are watching history being made. 2014 may be the year CF has it’s breakthrough and I can finally start explaining this stuff to all the people around me who think I’m a friendly nutcase :-)

    It is good to be alive and watch the beginning of an era that should allow mankind to grow, to prosper, reach the stars and colonize other worlds, to go where no man has gone before…

    • bitplayer

      At 2% of the speed of light (which requires something like anti-matter drive), it will take a couple thousand years to get to any star that might have an Earth-like planet (closer candidates having been examined and dismissed).

      The Federation will have to wait for warp-drive.

  • http://magicmusicandmore.com/ Barry

    Well Roger, remember the NANOR is not a CF machine, but more like a Patterson cell, where a wire goes in one end, electricity reacts to prepared particles and comes out a wire on the other side with more energy that went in. Have you ever taken apart a party- favors where you have a string on two ends of a very small paper wrapped, I think with a little bit of gun powder, you pull it and it explodes? The NANOR looks like that, only rather than a string it has a 10 gauge wire. I’ll be putting up some photos. M Swartz had two of them with him today.
    The nice thing about them is they don’t need gas injections, so they’re easy to use. Though I’m getting out of my field here (I can draw a picture of one). Watch the vids when they come out. Better yet come to the class. Still have Tue – Friday 10:30 am – 1:30, building 4 room 145, MIT, and best of all the class is free.

  • roseland67

    To quote Swan from the Warriors,
    “We’re there when we get there,and we ain’t there yet”

    • blanco69

      Yes roseland67, I can dig that!

  • US_Citizen71

    Here is an explanation of what a NANOR is: http://world.std.com/~mica/nanortechnology.htm

    • Fortyniner

      Thanks – nice to see Swartz and Hagelstein using ‘cold fusion’ in addition to LANR as their preferred terminology. So, Delta T/Pin (COP) =17, output 78mW thermal from a thin-layer ZrO2-PdNiD composite of some kind. Seems like a pretty good place to start in a lab, so long as ‘assembly instructions’ are provided or can be derived from the devices, so that variants can be built.

      Still some way from making a cup of tea unfortunately.

  • Mr. Moho

    It’s interesting that they’re going to actually sell or lease them (it should be for MFMP especially), but I wonder about the actual power output. If it’s still in the range of a few dozen milliwatts (as far as I remember), then one would need very sensitive calorimetry to verify that it works and make sure that it isn’t acting like an antenna or heat pump of some sort, which means tapping energy from the environment and not actually generating its own from nuclear reactions.

    • Daniel Maris

      Yes, I would agree Mr Moho.

      Really I think tens of watts is the beginning of the borderline of credibility and hundreds of watts is what puts you within the “circle of trust”. :)

      • http://magicmusicandmore.com/ Barry

        Well, you guys should watch the vids that will be coming out (somebody was filming for the internet). The scrutinizing ways they measure the outputs are fascinating, plus Jet Energy will also measure reaction with other a number of other elements such as aluminum, where they get no results. They also use a number of calorimeters, not just one. Another reason small amounts of input is used is so they can perform a larger number of experiments. remember Defkalion had to drain their CF system of Argon and in 24 hours it still wasn’t cleaned out. Remember this is research to understand the phenomenon which is very expensive (M Swartz seems to prefer Palladium$ over Nickel) and time consuming. These would be great for colleges to experiment with. Fleischmann and Pons would be vindicated as 2014’s CF effects could not possibly come up with 0 COP.

        I agree Moho, this seems right up MFMP’s alley.

        • Mr. Moho

          I agree Moho, this seems right up MFMP’s alley.

          If it works they really should start distributing/leasing units to universities and national labs, though.

          Also, they should rethink their choice of using precious and rare materials such as Palladium which would have no place in mass produced heating devices. I seem to remember from past slides that they did try nickel too, but they had a lower output gain with it. Why care if it still works though? Nickel is cheap and plentiful and chances are that it would allow Swartz and Hagelstein to perform more and larger experiments for the same costs as well.

          I understand Pd is used for historical reasons (it’s what F&P used), but it’s about time to move on to better materials.

          • http://magicmusicandmore.com/ Barry

            I think the Nickel broke down quicker with the process M Swartz uses.

          • Omega Z

            Aside from being expensive, I have also read where there wouldn’t be enough to go around. It’s not plentiful enough.

            However, Palladium may have higher Temp potential & uses for big Corporation or Government projects. Cost is less important verses enhanced capabilities.

        • http://magicmusicandmore.com/ Barry

          Not sure of the wattage, I’ll try and find out.

      • Mr. Moho

        The “several watts” range would be more than enough for a scientific toy to for pretty much anybody to conclusively demonstrate/verify the effect, if its efficiency is anything between 10x – 80x as claimed.

        Calorimetry gets tricky when the power involved is very small or very large, or when the apparent output gain is minuscule.

    • bitplayer

      What about the the idea that a strong subjective validation could be obtained if there were a device that could light up a small LED, and then be left on past the time limit for other power supplies. What would be the minimum power output needed for that?

      It could be argued that someone might change batteries in the middle of the night, but if there were hundreds or thousands of them in circulation, at some point the skeptopaths would start to look like … skeptopaths.