PESN Releases Set of Brillouin Videos

I haven’t had time to go through these yet, but here’s a link to a page of video that Sterling Allan has posted on PESWiki. He recently went to Berkeley, California to visit Brillouin’s facilities, and also SRI International. So far he has put up about two hours of video, and apparently there’s more to come, so it’s going to take some time to go through all the material.

http://pesn.com/2014/01/16/9602422_Sterling-Visits-Brillouin_Berkely_and_SRI-International/

We’ve already covered one of the videos on this page — the interview with Mike McKubre of SRI Internationa. In that interview he gave a good endorsement of Brillouin as a company, saying that the have had have been able to produce a COP of 4 with their ‘wet’ system (an electrolytic cell, as I understand it). McKubre did say, however, that they have not yet had success yet with their ‘dry’ (gas-based) system.

It’s good to get an up-close look, so thanks very much to Sterling for taking the trip and publishing these videos — very useful for those of us interested in getting a clearer picture of what is going on with Brillouin.

More analysis to come.

  • deleo77

    McKubre said he was going to miss the BLP demo because he would be in Italy. Does anyone think that maybe he is going to observe Rossi’s six month test?

    • Mr. Moho

      More likely visiting Piantelli’s laboratory, I think.
      There’s some corroborating info for this.

  • LENR G

    The videos are fascinating. Nice job by Sterling. I think his BS filter is way too leaky, but he’s one of a very few doing anything resembling real reporting in this area. So my hat is off to him. My main takeaways…

    – Brillouin is trailing badly. They have max COP of 4 so far with their wet systems according to McKubre. They are transitioning to a dry system supposedly but their labs are still testing the wet system. They were very open about their money situation — they need more. A lot more. They seem bogged down by engineering problems not directly related to the core reactor.

    – Brillouin is for real. No scam here. Possibly self-delusion, but they certainly have a real operation going. While some have raised concerns that no over-unity device was shown in the video, I find that reassuring. This was a casual drop in to a lab/business going about their normal activities, which on this day happened to be some testing of the subsystems of the wet system and trying to track down some engineering problems. Scam is not plausible. 13 people (incl. part-timers), thousand of wires, slow progress and middling claims does not equal scam.

    – McKubre’s discussion of Blacklight was priceless. Clearly he expects the “10 MW demo” to go belly up or be utterly disappointing (oops technical error, come back later), but he wouldn’t discount them completely. There was a fascinating mix of incredulity, hope and fear in his comments and demeanor. Also interesting was that there was no full-throated defense of the Brillouin Zones theory. Now Godes wasn’t there, but other Brillouin guys were and it never even came up. I don’t think they know what’s happening in their reactors.

    • Sanjeev

      Another important things he says is that this is too big for a single entity to monopolize. It will not be “allowed”. And that if one of the co. shows a successful demo or launches a product, it will benefit everyone. A cooperation is needed and will accelerate the lenr development.
      I totally agree to all these opinions of Mike.

  • artefact

    Video nr. 3 is now online: SRI Round Table
    Topics: acronyms; Blacklightpower; DGT(closest to market says McKubre); sealings more a problem when doing R&D. For commercialisation it will be welded; monopolization will not be allowed

    • Allan Shura

      Even if it is welded some sort of pressure relief valve would be needed somewhere in the system without complete assurance of a maximum pressure cut off.

    • Sanjeev

      The text/caption shows DGT may release their products first, but we don’t hear him saying that or giving any reasons for that.

  • Oceans2014

    Steorn Company.. you mean the scam company over in “Ireland” that had the self projecting magnetic rotor that after years of lying and stealing money from stock holders finally admitted that they did not have what they thought and went Dark after that? what was the CEOs name ? I think he was drunk during live presentations in Dublin )

  • Allan Shura

    One would think the product of electrolysis would be HH and O ordinarily and with cold fusion also helium as a gas but over 100C also steam. How is this safely separated and or recombined if drawn from the reactor vessel?

  • Allan Shura

    I have a couple of observations the scientist with us could perhaps answer or Brillouin themselves. The cut away 3d view of
    the boiler shows the input as hydrogen. But is it hydrogen or deuterium or water? Also one part of one of the videos shows about 600 or 700 lb. pressure at 94C. Although I believe from logic cold fusion is probable and this has now been validated
    I also wonder about the water or deuterium method. Does the effect remain in the vessel or core over 100 C when the liquid turns to steam in the presence of the electrodes? This appears to be the source of the pressure. If the steam is drawn off over 100 C one would think the water needs recirculation. Does the reaction continue in the same way in the presence of dry
    superheated steam instead of water in the reactor core? Anyone know?

  • ecatworld

    I don’t think they are selling anything on the market yet. I’ve been waiting for some announcement.

    • bachcole

      Yes, but what is it that they propose to sell? Inserts for hot-water heaters, or smaller hot-water heaters, or both. I saw nothing regarding the means that they are going to use to accomplish their goal. If it is LENR, it is just fine with me that they don’t mention LENR. Sell a couple of million units and then pop the surprise on the the press and the skeptopaths.

      • ecatworld

        As far as I know, from what they have said, the manufacturers they have licensed with will be selling water heaters with Hephaheat technology installed, and I’m not sure that LENR is the correct term to use with Steorn. Their technology is based on what they describe as ‘delayed magnetic field propagation’.

        • Oceans2014

          ….. delayed magnetic field propaganda )

          • GreenWin

            Steorn magnetic motors is a favorite target of pathoskeps. Without reviewing Steonr’s latest technology, I would consider that anything so attractive to pathoskeps, might just be worth looking into further.

  • ecatworld

    This is what he’s referring to — http://steorn.com/pdf/hepha-website.pdf
    Steorn CEO has mentioned that they are getting ready to introduce this product into the marketplace this year, to be used in water heaters, saying the tech has been licensed to 2 manufacturers

    • Fortyniner

      Interestingly, Steorn themselves don’t seem to make any direct claims of ‘overunity’ for the ‘HephaHeat’ system. This claim seems to originate with PESN and has simply been copied across the web:
      http://pesn.com/2011/11/08/9601951_Steorn_Announces_HephaHeat_Oveurnity_Technology/

      According to the linked brochure it appears to be simply a thermal storage system that occupies less volume than an equivalent hot water tank, as it uses a metal mass heated by LF (mains frequency) induction as the heat store. Heat stored in the mass is used to flash-boil water and the resulting steam is mixed with cold water to obtain any required output temperature on demand.

      A clever idea, but the technology doesn’t seem to be scientifically controversial in any way and Oceans2014 troll type comments do not appear to be justified, at least in connection with ‘HephaHeat’. The phrase ‘delayed magnetic propagation’ refers to their ‘Orbo’ motor/generator, which is an entirely separate (and of course, so far unproven) development.

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    Well, of the four major players, I’ve placed Brillouin 4th. The video did nothing to convince me of their product, just that they are serious and seem to be quite honest too. We’ll have to wait for a demonstration to judge them on excess energy and this video was not intended to show that.

  • Sanjeev

    If you don’t want anyone to access your tech secrets do not connect your main data gathering computer to the internet. He opened a web site on the very same computer with test data. Its not the best practice and they should know. Perhaps someone will alert him about that.

    Other than that I admire his courage to speak on camera against US gov, which has made once a free country a security nightmare. Hopefully the bureaucrats will not mention this video when he faces them to get a license to manufacture or for safety certificates.

    • Allan Shura

      They have two computer science people but from my experience this is the only practical way. They also could assemble a computer without wireless and Ethernet cards.

  • bitplayer

    So, continue to apply logic. You mention two key elements that you interested in: excess energy and reliable excess energy. Suppose there were no excess energy. What then is, in layman’s terms, is a hypothetical network-of-causes-and-effects-model that explains the existence of the videos and their content? Conspiratorial fraud? Delusion? How does that model reconcile the academic credentials and investment dollars that appear to be present in the videos? Actors? Stage sets? It’s like Holmes says, if all other explanations fail, then the remaining explanation must be true. Inference is never as satisfying as direct physical evidence. But without it we would still be in caves.

    As for reliable excess energy, it would appear that that’s the brass ring at the moment. Clearly, the LENR phenomena operates only within a many-dimensioned parameter space, and, it seems to me, is non-linear in the sense that the LENR reaction (or reactions) alter the parameter space in which they occur, e.g. exploding test equipment.

    The choice to be disappointed or heartened seems to be highly subjective.

  • Warthog

    “McKubre did say, however, that they have not yet had success yet with their ‘dry’ (gas-based) system.”

    I don’t think that is what McKubre was saying. As I recall, what he said was that their dry system had less “controllability” than their wet system……….not that “…they have not yet had success”.

  • deleo77

    Based on everything we have seen and heard I’m curious how people would handicap the horse race between the four groups in terms of who is closest to releasing a commercialized product, and what year it will happen. If I had to predict the order as of now for who will get to the finish line first it would be:

    1. Rossi and partners
    2. BLP
    3. Brillouin
    4. DGT

    And the year of commercialization will be 2015. Just a guess, and I wouldn’t bet real money on it just yet.

    • Guru

      During first half of 2014 2 big manufacturers of electric heaters will on market with Steorn HephaHeat Overunity tech, so commercialization in 2014 even without Steorn logo and without LENR label

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      As is discussed earlier in the thread, it seems to be a question of COP and control ability. After seeing the Brillouin demo I would add finance too. All four seem to be able to get a LENR system going, but so far Rossi, BLP (if true) and DGT can generate a COP in the region of 10 or more. All 4 also seem to have different systems, so that makes it even harder to compare them and say who’s where. However, my feeling is:
      1. Rossi: we’ve seen demo’s and 3rd party reports and he probably has a hot-cat that can do around 1100C more or less stable. He also has a wealthy partner and we hear of regular improvements to the system. Now that we know who his business partner is, Rossi has the most potential;
      2. DGT: we’ve seen a demo with a COP of 8 and COP of 4, and we also now they can start the reaction quite quickly but control may be an issue. Their second demo seemed a bit out of control to me. I don’t really now their financial situation, but that seems a bit worrying. They do seem to have a product though and there is a lot of potential;
      3. BLP: lot’s of talk, fantastic announcements and enough money, but not yet real evidence of their system. Because of a frankly genius Mills, some third party reports and the upcoming demo, I’ve put them in third place. After the upcoming demo they may be 2nd or 4th.
      4. Brillouin: They are working with Mike McCubre, which alone should be enough to put them in third place, but with their relatively low COP system and their money problems makes it unlikely for them to come out on top;

      • artefact

        I’d line them up the same.
        I have a questionmark at BLP. We know very little where they are on the way to commercialisation. Hope to know more on 28.
        RE DGT: Don’t forget that at the demo they made all settings manually for better transparency. I guess the result would have looked much more stable with an automated system. And the COP should have been like COP 20 (if the measurement was correct which is still not known) They did not account for the water->steam conversion to stay conservative.

      • Ivone

        There is a fifth. Dr. Ruggero Maria Santilli of Tampa, Florida, I found him last night, searching for people with a better theory than R. M. Mills. He has a splendid looking reactor, capable of boiling water under pressure. I chatted about him all last night, sending information about him into the blogosphere, where it eventually reached Admin. and it’s now has a blog on the side. What’s interesting is that he promotes fusion between Deuterium and Carbon, forming Nitrogen.

        • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

          I think there are many more ranging from universities to DARPA projects and NASA, but the four most promising at the moment are the four mentioned. As soon there are convincing demo’s and third party reports, your player may also become important. For now he is just another one in my book.

          • Ivone

            I think that you’ll find that there is an independent verification of the physics in Admin’s post.

  • bachcole

    I listened to 90% of the first video. It seems pretty clear to me that they are not even close to commercialization. They basically have nothing but a lot of expensive equipment and an occasional burst of excess energy. Or is there something that I missed here?

  • Oceans2014

    Brillouin showed they have nothing to hide and that we can expect big things from them, Sterlings interview opened up the transparency to Brillouin – We Like What we See !!! > This is now a company to watch closely

  • Daniel Maris

    Am I right in thinking that there’s isn’t a demonstration of overunity operation anywhere in the videos? Not being a party-pooper, just making an observation.

  • artefact

    And Sterling did a good job. Brillouin made a good decision to let him do the interview about their status.
    They make a truthfull and capable impression.

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    I haven’t looked at all the video’s yet, but one thing in general strikes me and that is that all of the major players are quite professional. Robert Godes is clearly an individual with a deep knowledge of what he is talking about. The Defkalion’s senior researcher Hadjichristosis is very knowledgeable; I’ve read a paper from him that is seriously mathematical. Mills from BLP is clearly a highly intelligent gent with a deep theoretical knowledge of his field. Rossi is less known on the theoretical side of things, but is widely seen as the guy to beat plus he seems to have quit a research team and money seems to be no problem at all. My impression is that all these firms are truly working on the edge of science with a set of unknown but working effects. For anyone still believing there is a scam going on is just getting ridiculous.

    On topic: Godes says in the video they want to rent the space next door for more labs to do experiments in, but they haven’t got the money. That indicates they do not have a big partner yet. With most of the other competitors seemingly having some serious money (not sure about Defkalion), they should make haste getting some support. Maybe a convincing demonstration in the near future could bring some big business partner into play?

  • Oceans2014

    No Question Sterling has out done himself on this new Brillouin presentation, in my opinion Sterling just turned Pro on this video set, I will be donating money to any other upcoming trips Sterling decides to go to.

    • BroKeeper

      Great interviewing Sterling asking timely correct questions with comments

      If you go by what is currently published and interviewed, and I mean if, initially it appears Brillouin has a LENR processes similar to Blacklight Power but a year or two behind. Their wet system with a COP of 4 is much lower than BLP’s claims of 100+ COP.
      Brillouin also seems to be struggling more financially needing more supporters. What I like about Brillouin is the transparency in the interview on their processes, goals and costs, but that won’t be enough to catch up. Very interesting times.

      • Daniel Maris

        With these COP claims, I think you have to accept that there is a difference between what might be achieved in a less than stable reaction and what you can achieve regularly on a guaranteed “push button” effect. It always seems to be there are compromises to be made if you want a reliable COP.

        • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

          That seems to be the key: Who can push the COP and have a reliable stable reaction? There are at least four approaches with four possible winners. At this moment it is difficult to predict who has the winning system, although I would still put my money on Rossi: Stable at 1100C must mean very good control and probably great COP at that temperature.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      He could use an extra camera man though and the camera itself could be much more stable. It’s a bit like looking at the Blair Witch Project. I do like the fact that he tries to do more in-depth video interviews so I hope he keeps that up. Video quality should improve with time and experience.