Rossi on Upcoming Report (Academics from 3 Continents)


There’s not too much new in this comment from Andrea Rossi regarding the much anticipated report of the long-term E-Cat testing, but he does give a few more hints about when we might expect it to appear, and the makeup of the team of testers. Rossi responded to a question about the timetable for the report as follows:

Giuliano Bettini:
That will not depend on me, I suppose ( and underline “suppose”) end of March or something around it for end of tests; as for the publication of the report, it will depend on the time of the peer reviewing, which I don’t think will take too long, due to the importance of the results, either positive or negative as they might be, and the number, the level and the internationality of the Authors, who come from 3 Continents.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

It sounds to me like Rossi is impressed by the team who are involved in this testing, which sounds like its expanded from Levi’s team that published last year. I’m guessing the three continents involved would be Europe, North America and maybe Asia — whereas just Europeans were involved previously. Rossi has said that previously that the testing is taking place in the United States somewhere, at a facility of one of his partner’s customers.

Rossi has said previously that the report would be published in a peer review magazine. He said that about the last report, too, which turned out only to appear on arxiv.org. Maybe this time it will actually end up in a bona fide peer reviewed journal.


  • Fortyniner

    I wonder whether you are really as obnoxious as you sometimes appear to be, Roger, or if you just do it for effect. Please keep your ‘pop psychology’ attacks on other contributors to yourself.

    • georgehants

      Thanks Peter, I do not seem to warrant the normal moderation protection.
      Maybe Admin thinks I deserve the abuse.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    I wonder if this is just a black box test of if the examiners are authorized to study the interior of the reactors. If they intend to publish their report in a scientific journal, a black box text wouldn’t be sufficient, I think.

  • artefact

    it is an upvote like +1 in the syntax of C++ programming language. It means bc = bc + 1.

  • GreenWin

    Gents, that would be AntarCtica. And Anarcticans. BTW, home to 90% of all ice on Earth and 85% all fresh water. And the continent continues to grow 1-2% per decade.

  • kdk

    Honestly, this whole thing really is intertwined with ETs, and the cover-up thereof. ZPE was from Tesla (my guess is that is what Blacklight has), who in turn claimed to be in contact with ETs. JP Morgan shut him down when he realized he couldn’t make any money from it. Rossi always complained about the ankle-biters. My guess is that perhaps these same beings are trying to make sure that the world at large get cold fusion around the same time so that one country doesn’t try to monopolize it and the monopoly thereof doesn’t start wars.

    Anyway, there is plenty of in-your-face evidence of ETs out there but that area has been subject to the same ridicule disinfo mechanism that cold fusion has (which admittedly has been perpetuated by people refusing to let go of their egos to consider possibilities that they haven’t before). It should be obvious by now that the Mainstream Media is not even wrong but just out there in their own make-believe world. Really, what can’t be overlooked or set aside at all is the fact that this MUST be dealt with peacefully for it to mean anything.

    The military whistleblowers are the place to start probably. Nukes going offline with UFOs outside the base, UFOs doing 90degree turns at 2.5k+mph, pilot witnesses, etc. And then there’s Von Braun’s warnings about the NWO trying to make an “Alien Invasion” the last card in their play for the police state…

    Really, we’re all kind of lucky that the cover-up started here where the Bill of Rights (was) totally wrapped up in our psyche… it could have been much, much worse than it is now, with governments more fully corrupted and even more tyrannical elite (hard to imagine maybe).

  • Chris I

    Hmmm I bet the peer reviewing will take even longer for a positive outcome than for a negative one.

  • V.p.S.

    With so much in the air since recent leaks about the Rossi’s partner and PR-activities around LENR going higher, we are running towards the new peak of expectations. This year with upcoming test reports and possible publication of the theory behind the E-Cat has to take us to a substantially new level of evidence and public recognition of the LENR technology. I think it would otherwise become hard to maintain the interest if the summarized statement for this year would be “good achievements, but have still to do more R&D to be sure” and there will be still no revealed customers (just remember the not yet materialized story with the Swedish pilot customer from the last year). So I’ll keep my fingers crossed.

  • georgehants

    From Vortex with thanks
    ——
    H Veeder
    Fri, 17 Jan 2014 21:08:02 -0800
    The Open Physical Chemistry Journal,
    Confirmations of Santilli’s Intermediate Controlled Nuclear Fusion of
    Deuterium and Carbon Into Nitrogen Without Harmful Radiations
    J. V. Kadeisvili, C. Lynch and Y. Yang
    Abstract: We present five independent confirmations of the intermediate
    controlled nuclear fusion of Nitrogen from Deuterium and Carbon without the
    emission of harmful radiations or the release of radioactive waste, first
    achieved by R. M. Santilli [12] following extended mathematical,
    theoretical and experimental research, and preliminarily confirmed by
    R.Brenna, T. Kuliczkowski, and L.Ying [13].

    http://www.benthamscience.com/open/topcj/articles/V005/17TOPCJ.pdf

    • artefact

      George, see for an update the post by Sandy in the Always Open Thread.

      • georgehants

        artefact, yes sorry, I think your post is important for all to read.

    • Anon2012_2014

      On the Santilli paper:

      I find the Hadronic reactions/magnicules similar to the BLP hydrinos in they are a new state of matter.

      I can’t figure out his COP from this article. It looks like something is happening on the inside of his reactor that is making heat — I have to take apart the paper to see if, on the surface, it is not chemical.

  • georgehants

    When democracy and the law run correctly then the system is good.
    It needs everybody’s efforts to make sure that it stays that way and the Internet does not come under the same control by the rich and powerful as the media has.
    With just a little more control these people could have stopped Cold Fusion dead, as shown by the lack of reports in the scientific and public media.
    ———–
    Court: Bloggers have First Amendment protections
    A federal appeals court
    has ruled bloggers and the public have the same First Amendment
    protections as journalists when sued for defamation: If the issue is of
    public concern, plaintiffs have to prove negligence to win damages.
    Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-01-court-bloggers-amendment.html#jCp

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Capitalism without effective regulation turns into anarchy.

      • Fortyniner

        In the US, most regulatory agencies have already been captured or heavily compromised, resulting in oligarchy (often referred to as kleptocracy) just under the surface, and increasing police state fascism pretty much in the open, not anarchy. There is rather more resistance in Europe, but the EU is steadily drifting in the same general direction, albeit with more subtlety and restraint, so far.

      • bachcole

        Absolutely, or it turns into fascism. One or a few heavy dudes paying armed young men to keep order.

  • Sanjeev

    Agree. But it won’t happen quickly because safety clearances, corrupt govs, no patents etc. So public demos and validations are all that can be done at this time. One step at a time.

  • georgehants

    Roger, with great respect you say “when they should be practising the scientific method AND philosophical and critical thinking.” you then seem to completely fail to do so, but rely on “opinion”

  • Hope4dbest

    Excuse me, Frank, are you complaining because people demand proof before believing something?

  • Fortyniner

    It got one though.

  • artefact

    “Andrea Rossi
    January 17th, 2014 at 5:23 PM

    John L.:
    America, Europe, Asia.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

  • Pekka Janhunen

    bc++;

  • GreenWin

    This raises the point re where, why, under what circumstances has the presence of a democratic or other “Free Press” been eliminated from this process? Without first obtaining consent of the governed. Following the rather astonishing announcement of BLP, there is the usual blackout on the mainstream press. It’s getting tedious and so clearly unlawful and or immoral the entire exercise borders on collapse. Must be those “meanie heads” Roger warns of.

    There is little point in engaging in a system that so egregiously tramples over the principles it purports to avow. Granted, there is an extraordinary challenge in play. To introduce a disruptive technology like LENR in so orthodox a world – is daunting. Probably insane even for really smart, sane people. The problem centers around scientific orthodoxy – what Prof Peter Mark Jansson describes as “The Hurdles for Adopting New Technology and Knowledge in Society: A Case Study of a Radical Energy Technology in The U.S.”

    “This case study provides evidence that suggests the technology and
    knowledge process is not as transparent and open as society believes is
    necessary. The author shares scientific research validated in
    university labs that suggests current theory is unable to describe the
    energy developed by readily reproducible chemical experiments.”
    Jansson is an Associate Professor at Rowan University and though he outlined this paper, it was never submitted to a conference. http://t10.cgpublisher.com/proposals/117/index_html

    The message is the same as Dr Pam Boss’ article about obstinate science publishing. The same Dr. Henry Bauer describes as “knowledge monopolies.” The same reason Nobel laureate Randy Scheckman is boycotting gatekeeper science journals. The gist can be summed in one word: corruption. In the end LENR’s benefit as an energy source will be dwarfed by the highlight on widespread mob-like corruption in academia and the MIC. It has set back human evolution decades. Its destructive effect to original thought and individual human rights is immeasurable. Aside from that… It’s a pretty good play.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      I agree, I am starting to question our “free press”. This is completely unrelated to LENR but the impact is similar. There have
      been reports in the foreign press about the manipulation of currency and precious metals prices. Very little has appeared in our national reporting, this is an article coming originating in the German press. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-17/german-gold-manipulation-blowback-escalates-deutsche-bank-exits-gold-price-fixing.

      This after Germany asked that 3000 tons of Gold being stored by our Federal Reserve be returned to Germany. The Fed simply said “No”. Very little has been reported in the US press about this amazing rejection.

    • Fortyniner

      Agreed. It is quite apparent to anyone who has fully informed themselves that knowledge is being controlled and manipulated at every level. Examples can be found everywhere, from the non-reporting of important breakthroughs or topics such as the dangers from Fukushima radiation and chemtrails, through the widespread appearance of internet shills, to the airbrushing of NASA images.

      Knowledge really is power: People can only behave according to what they believe is true, and if this belief has been manipulated by the management of information, then their behaviour cannot be optimal.

      What is at present unknown is how this ‘management’ is enacted at an individual level. The degree of control seems all-pervasive, and while much of it takes place through generalised ‘psyops’ – broad-brush creation of simple control memes that override rational analysis (anyone who doesn’t accept the establishment story is a ‘conspiracy theorist’, ‘paranoid’, ‘fantasist’, ‘denier’ or whatever) there must also be some kind of system of fine control that is able to react to the deviation of influential individuals from the imposed groupthink.

      This would imply some kind of ‘management team’ actively monitoring developments at many levels and others applying appropriate pressures to restore the status quo – a concept which of course immediately triggers the ‘conspiracy theory/ paranoia/ fantasist’ reaction in the unthinking, and defensive measures from those involved, and therefore escapes any genuine investigation.

      Something for those inclined towards a ‘pollyanna’ attitude to consider: If the idea of a high degree of control of society by relatively few individuals for their own purposes (which are almost certainly not those that will benefit the mass of humanity) is correct, then it is well to be aware of this and to monitor and fight it in any way possible. If it is not the case, and all apparent suppression and distortion of information is simply the result of human error and weaknesses, then absolutely nothing is lost through the suspicions of a few over-cautious people, except perhaps the unwavering complacency of those who believe that all is well.

      • georgehants

        Peter and GreenWin, can only add my small voice to your comments.
        Perhaps a new system is required, something along the lines of an old idea called democracy might work.
        As the capitalist system is now outdated by massive production, so the old democracy has been outdated by the Internet.
        Everything is in place for a better World, but those in power and many status quo lovers, will I think, break their backs to protect their unjustified or closed-minded positions, just as science will go to extraordinary lengths to protect their religious Dogmas.
        —–Just interesting
        When Infinity Is Actually a Small, Negative Fraction
        http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/01/17/infinite_series_when_the_sum_of_all_positive_integers_is_a_small_negative.html
        —–Is a mini ice age on the way? Scientists warn the Sun has ‘gone to sleep’ and say it could cause temperatures to plunge
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2541599/Is-mini-ice-age-way-Scientists-warn-Sun-gone-sleep-say-cause-temperatures-plunge.html

        • Fortyniner

          George – the systems we have in place in Western society would probably work reasonably well if they had not been utterly taken over and corrupted by the activities of a tiny sociopathic or psychopathic minority inhabiting the world of finance and transnational politics. As a first step to a better world, I believe that this web of manipulation and deceit needs to be exposed and overt action taken to rid society of the human parasites that presently infest it.

          • georgehants

            Peter I agree and don’t mind if it is a new system or tinkering with the old, as long as it puts right the points that you and GreenWin have raised.
            Just like Cold Fusion, who makes billions is irrelevant to me, beyond fair reward, the Cold Fusion itself and it’s good, unhindered and fair effect on the World is the only consideration.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        But you have to agree Fortyniner that the worst fanatics are the followers of that conspiracy theorist named Isaac Newton. They insist that he can never be wrong! They would even prefer to believe Isaac Newton
        instead of a government official!

        • GreenWin

          First, Peter, just an excellent overview of the depths of corruption in this game. Please submit it to Opinion pages, though with no expectation of publishing. I shall archive a copy myself and with your permission send it along to a few publishers who might be courageous enough to print it.

          Second, Alan, should you mention that Sir Isaac was a closet enthusiast of the Queen of pseudoscience – Alchemy – you will hear the inchoate harrumphs, hems and haws of the duplicitous orthodoxy. Much of the duplicity stems from the very early days of the Church and its compulsive control of knowledge.

          • Alan DeAngelis
            • Alan DeAngelis

              ps
              Very Freudian but it should read impossible.

              • GreenWin

                Alan, this strident hypocrisy leads one to ponder a struggle amongst the super-empirical. Newton is given godlike stature until his dabbles in the Occult threatens his sponsors. Occultists believe it is they who deserve dominion over earthly creation. Angelics oppose the Occult, aspiring to a divine authority. Caught in the midst, is all of humanity; its rich, its poor, and the meek.

          • Fortyniner

            GW – I’m flattered that you think my rant is of any note. Please feel free to use it in any way you wish.

    • Bertuswonkel

      I don’t really think it is possible for a small group of people to control everything. There are just to many people and the world is far to complex . The control of major actors happens more subtle and has much to do with our own psychology.

      The world is a reflection of how people are. For instance, the research of Milgram – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment – shows how important authority figures can be. I recommend reading the book ‘Thinking Fast and Slow’ of Daniel Kahneman to gain some insight in how flawed our logic sometimes is and how easy it is to influence our decisions. Rich people or very smart people are no exception, we all base our world on our own flawed understanding of it. We are highly susceptible to group thinking, we constantly connect things which are not connected, have many Cognitive dissonances – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance and are very sensitive to what people around us do.

      Rich and influential people tell themselves they must be important and very smart because why else would the have more then others? They compare their lives to other rich or smart people. This reinforces their ego and makes them look down on other people. This may not be the case for all of them but how is to say you would have acted different if you have had the exact same experiences as them. Research shows that only about 5% off all the decisions we make are really thought hard about. Your own thoughts and feelings are not fully under your control. This makes it really hard for me to think that one small group would be able to control everything, meaning telling everyone what to do. They have a certain level of control e.g. major cooperation’s are authority figures but only because we allow them to have it.

    • Anon2012_2014

      Greenwin et al,

      You are being too much of conspiracy theorist.

      The information is freely out there to the extent it has been released by the respective inventors/investigators. The blog is proof of that.

      The remainder is the psychology of the herd. People believe what they want to believe; and they are reinforced by the other herd members around them. Intelligent free thinkers, like the readers of this blog, can make up their own minds. They are the leaders. Those who refuse to keep an open mind — they are like cattle standing around; trusting the cow on the left or the right to give them information. The cattle watch a lot of TV; and they read a lot of mainstream press. The mainstream press and the TV are themselves run by other members of the cattle herd.

      This truth will come out one way or the other and people like you will spread it, if only to a few other people who bother to read.

      (Our political economy has other decision making problems based upon pay to play, known as unlimited campaign financing and access. But this has nothing to do with the free flow of information in the internet age.)

      LENR is your chance to be a leader — the first in your community to see the light. Keep an open eye.

      • georgehants

        Anon, you would not happen to work for one of these conspiracies would you.
        Your idea of thinking for oneself seems to be to follow the herd who believe the propaganda and distortion put out by a tied media and their masters.
        How about you think of and put up here a few of the things you may feel are wrong with the World.
        Let me help, how do you feel about many children dying simply because capitalism demands that the poor must have no clean water and no drugs to protect these children?

        • Anon2012_2014

          George,

          I don’t work for any of them. I am what I like to call an intelligent observer who can interact to a limited extent to make change.

          I am also aware of my limitations to effect change in the political economy, although I do occasionally think about how to get it done. I worry about food, population, jobs, education, and our future generations.

          To solve the above problems, getting a Rossi/Mills/DGT/Brillouin device up and running commercially would go a long way; but we still have other issues. I worry mostly about the future generations and how bright young people who work hard will get by on an earth with finite resources and little need for their labor. How to effect the transition to a world that acknowledges those facts without causing great suffering to the average people (think about the University graduates in Egypt rioting because they have no jobs) is something I want to work on. Alas, I can only do one thing at a time.

          • georgehants

            Anon, many thanks for a concerned and caring reply.
            I think it is up to everyone of us to realise the built in deficiencies of the present systems.
            I try many times to explain that lack of “jobs” is a good thing as free time gives everybody the chance to enjoy life or help others as they choose.
            Present productivity is sufficient to supply all needs and fair luxuries for the World.
            Unfortunately although the system to let this happen is easy, I personally seem to be so dim that I cannot explain it simply.
            Best wishes.

            • Anon2012_2014

              George,

              I am not an expert in this area of food/population/jobs/education, but I know enough that it has to be studied by heavy hitters (strong economists) to engineer a solution, and that a political plan then needs to be put into place to mitigate a bad outcome. I want to help get this started at some point in the future.

              • georgehants

                Anon, tomorrow morning I shall put a hello to you on the always open thread.
                If you reply then I will put up my thinking and would be very happy for you to poke holes into it’ Ha.

                • Anon2012_2014

                  George,

                  I will try and find you on the always open. I am limited in time and I have killed enough time blogging for a day.

      • GreenWin

        The “knowledge monopolies” pointed out by the authors I cite do not require any conspiracy. They merely require the herd mentality you speak of. The immediate example is Cold Fusion and the infantile, ignominious response from the scientific “Intelligencia” at the time. Once the disparaging agenda was set (by MIT and cohorts) the intelligent sheep fell in line. This requires only the simple propaganda of Reichsmarshall Hermann Göring:

        “The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is
        easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and
        denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country
        to danger. It works the same way in any country.”

        The enemy in 1989 was the “pseudoscience” of Cold Fusion. The “attack” upon the orthodox brand of rational materialism. Throw in a few heretics (e.g. MIT’s Peter Hagelstein, Gene Mallove) a confiscatory loss of funding and threats to career… Voila! You have herded your sheep faster than a frenetic Border Collie!

  • bitplayer

    Per previous discussions, I believe the consensus was that getting into peer reviewed journals was s-l-o-o-o-o-w.

    • georgehants

      I think Rossi’s JONP has much more prestige and reliability than any so called premier journal (comic)

  • Jonnyb

    Sounds like the report is being hurried along as the competition is hotting up, excuse the pun. Good luck.