E-Cat Knowledge at Highest Levels in China?



I’d like to thank E-Cat World reader Julian Becker for providing the following information from the icebank.cn article we mentioned here yesterday that reported about Cherokee Investment Partners CEO Tom Darden’s meeting in China to discuss nickel powered energy.

We noted that for non-Chinese speakers the article was translated by Google, so interpretation could be faulty. Julian lives in China, but is not a native speaker — nevertheless, what he reports is very interesting and seems to add some important information.

This is what he posted yesterday:

“Well if this turns out to be true it would be amazing. The SASAC (State-owned Assets Supervision and Assets Commission) is directly answering to the State Council of the Peoples Republic of China (the Chinese cabinett of ministers), whose Chairman is Prime Minister Li Keqiang. As it said in the article: Their Chairman took part in the meeting. The same applies for the National Development and Reform Commission also their leadership seemed present. This body is in charge for the macro economic planning of the entire Chinese ecomomy.

The place of meeting was the Diaoyutai State Guest House in Beijing a place for foreign dignitaries and local officials to stay,

If the meeting was positive and a report was filed upwards, Prime Minister Li and President Xi should be aware of LENR now.

Sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaoyutai_State_Guesthouse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-owned_Assets_Supervision_and_Administration_Commission


  • Stephen Paul Goodfellow

    Poor US! Revolutionary, innovative ideas come from across the World to the US where they are developed, refined…and ignored; after which other nation-states pick up them and make a profit.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Poor US? Or a US interested in protecting our planet and their huge GDP lead over all other countries.

  • bachcole

    Seriously, folks, is there a single short article or a couple of paragraphs that will make the point that busy people can read that will convince them?

    I wish, but I doubt it. They will be going into the read disbelieving. And they will encounter facts and terms that we take for granted that they need to be schooled on. Their eyes will glaze over. They will lose interest. They will look for ways to get out of the conversation.

    The best thing to do is to talk to people who trust you and who you are close to. When people trust you, they will let pass terms and ideas that they are not solid with. They will tend to take your word for things. If their interest is stimulated, they will study some more, and then they will become a believer. But strangers, especially those who already disbelieve, the Chinese connection will be a difficult sell. Start with the 2013 Levi et. al. and the Swedish connection. Show them the pictures of the glowing 4 inch pipe. Once they grasp that LENR is probably real, then talking about the Chinese connection might, at this point, prove fruitful.

  • jousterusa

    I want to thank Frank for fixing the auto-login code and the self-edit stuff. That’s made posting a million times easier – thanks, Frank!

  • jousterusa

    I’m surprised our government has no problem with Rossi and Cherokee giving away to China a technology for cheaper electricity that could give them a substantial competitive edge in trade, running up the balance-of-trade between us even higher, and by denying the E-Cat-associated potyential jobs to Americans, running up our own budget deficit as well. Well-played, Chairman Mao! Not.

    • Omega Z

      Likely Cherokee is not a partner, but developing an after market product that can make use of the E-cat.
      And Mr. Fabiani was consulted for the technical details.

      • Fortyniner

        I believe that the sales trip to China and the personal pitch by Darden probably indicates a financial stake in the success of e-cat, most likely in the form of a holding in Industrial Heat, but that Cherokee is probably a facilitator rather than an active participant on the technical side. Its possible they were approached to find and quietly acquire a suitable site for a pilot installation (a small, doomed coal plant possibly) and then seized an opportunity to become more embedded when Darden realised the potential of nickel-hydrogen reactors.

        However I still think there may be at least one other party involved and that it is this entity that is the principal driving force behind the technical side of the project. Loose ends that are not satified by the ‘Cherokee is the partner’ theory are Rossi’s claims or implications that his partner is deeply philanthropic (it seems a stretch to put Darden in that role), that the partner’s CEO replicated an e-cat from Rossi’s instructions (no indication that Darden has any technical skills) and also that there seems to be no connection with any of the hints about ‘battleships’, a ‘carrier’ etc. Others can probably remember other ‘disconnects’.

        I think we have yet to find out who else may be involved, and we should not yet discard the possibility of a Musk or Kamen -type inventer/entrepreneur, or even a large manufacturer being a part of Industrial Heat. Converting the world’s energy source to cold fusion is probably the largest single project mankind will ever undertake, and it is to be expected that many parties will become involved even at this relatively early stage.

        • GreenWin

          Looking pragmatically at Darden/Cherokee’s CV, there is little to suggest a partnership makes any sense (aside from a misdirected academic exercise.) Deka/NRG is a FAR better candidate.

        • bachcole

          Although I see no reason why Darden can’t be philanthropic, I agree with your impression. I can’t see Cherokee being a technically savvy business. There is probably a technically savvy company involved that we don’t know about, yet. And remember, all of this is going to be a moving target, and we won’t be privy to all of the movements.

      • US_Citizen71

        I think it could be to produce boiler replacements for power plants.

    • bachcole

      I believe that you should be surprised because I think that it is not true. They aren’t giving away anything that they believe is true. We read and study ALL freaking day long; my butt gets sore I read and study LENR so much. So don’t expect some very busy government people to be able to spend the time reading and studying to get to the level of understanding and conviction that we have.

      And this whole Chinese connection: PLEASE!!! I am sure that it is completely true, but look how much study and reading it took to make the connections to see that it is true. It reads like a freaking Sherlock Holmes novel.

      And anyway, where is the ego satisfaction of knowing this first if some government joe can spend 5 minutes out of their very busy day and figure this stuff out. They will catch on, eventually, especially when there is more evidence and especially when you don’t need Google Translate to confirm all of the data points. I can see me trying to explain to an office worker of my Congressmen and I can hear him doing his best to get out of the conversation without hurting my feelings. I would not be able to explain it clearly and he would not be able to follow what I was saying and he would politely end the conversation, and then tell his officemate to watch out for that Roger Bird jerk-wad.

      • jousterusa

        I appreciate your chagrin – and your eloquence. But doing what you do for free is what Dept. of Energy people get paid to do, and they don’t seem to be doing it. The CIA and NSA are responsible for not raising a warning flag over the export of proprietary and highly sensitive technology that could create a hundred thousand new US jobs.

        • bachcole

          So, you’re saying that I am the exact opposite of a government employee. I do valuable things for free. And they get paid to do nothing. (:->)

          I have tried to talk to my Congressman, and the moment they figure out what I am talking about, the image of a tin-foil hat appears in their minds. (:->)

        • Karl

          Rossi is Italian, he just happen to do some research in the
          US. There was a time at least some 25 years back when US could have taken the
          lead in this segment It could been possible if clear scientific indications from
          hundreds of experiments showing anomalous heat generation successively after that been taken serious.

          Instead there seems to have been quite a considerable amount
          of resources allocated not least from the main stream science community to bloc
          and ridicule those who dared to do official research in this field. To me it
          seems that main stream media and the science community in the US and the
          western world have done their best to bury the emergence of this kind of potential
          cheap, clean almost unlimited energy resource.

          It think it is very smart and an appropriate move by Rossi
          and his co-investors to put some eggs in the Chinese basket if he has done it. A
          reason why the Chinese may not be interested to block this technology is
          perhaps that they do not have a similar reason to promote the use of national
          oil- and gas resources like the US, which is heavily dependent on the use of
          oil and gas to maintain the US dollar as a major world currency, the
          petrodollar.

        • greggoble

          Not to be repetitive, which it seems I am. Posting this along this thread to note the US on it, advanced LENR engineering is well on its’ way. The whole world will will quickly adopt, we will benefit from the LENR energy benefits that they reap, and a goal for humanity to expand into space, end the age of earth extraction, relieve earth overpopulation as we migrate… space the final frontier looms ahead.

          Telling tale, I for one find evidence that developments in LENR energy are farther advanced than the DOD or DOE has allowed any to tell of. Classified is certainly a controlling issue in regards to LENR developments.

          From the Defense Intelligence Agency report, in regards to cold fusion stating, “….LENR power sources could produce the greatest transformation of the battlefield for U.S. forces since the transition from horsepower to gasoline power.”http://cdn.coldfusionnow.org/w…

          Also the LENR Boeing 747 being developed since 2011 through NASA, yet the NASA LENR disclosure was not until last year.

          Cold Fusion LENR Powered Boeing 747
          May 2012 NASA Contract NNL08AA16B – NNL11AA00T – Subsonic Ultra Green Aircraft Research – Phase II N+4 Advanced Concept Development

          “Even though we do not know the specific cost of the LENR itself, we assumed a cost of jet fuel at $4/gallon and weight based aircraft cost. We were able to calculate cost per mile for the LENR equipped aircraft compared to a conventional aircraft (Figure 3.2). Looking at the plots, one could select a point where the projected cost per mile is 33% less than a conventionally powered aircraft.”

          3.0 LENR Requirements Analysis …pg 24
          Figure 3.1 – Potential Heat Engines for LENR Systems ..pg 25
          Figure 3.2 – Parametric LENR and Heat Engine Performance Parameters ……………….pg 25
          6.2.3 Low Energy Nuclear Reactor Technologies ……pg 82
          Table 6.3 – LENR Technologies Success Criteria …….pg 86
          Also pgs 15, 18, 19, 20, and 21.

          These are the 39 folks who have been involved in this since May, 2011

          Bradley, Marty (Boeing)
          Daggett, David (Boeing)
          Droney, Christopher(Boeing)
          Hoisington, Zachary (Boeing)
          Kirby, Michelle (GT)
          Murrow, Kurt (GE)
          Ran, Hongjun (GT)
          Nam, Teawoo (GT)
          Tai, Jimmy (GT)
          Hammel, Jeff (GE)
          Perullo, Chris (GT)
          Guynn, Mark (NASA)
          Olson, Erik (NASA)
          Leavitt, Larry (NASA)
          Allen, Timothy (Boeing)
          Cotes, Dwaine (Boeing)
          Guo, Yueping (Boeing)
          Foist, Brian (Boeing)
          Rawdon, Blaine (Boeing)
          Wakayama, Sean (Boeing)
          Dallara, Emily (Boeing)
          Kowalski, Ed (Boeing)
          Wat, Joe (Boeing)
          Robbana, Ismail (Boeing)
          Barmichev, Sergey (Boeing)
          Fink, Larry (Boeing)
          Sankrithi, Mithra (Boeing)
          White, Edward (Boeing)
          Gowda, Srini (GE)
          Brown, Gerald (NASA)
          Wahls, Richard (NASA)
          Wells, Doug (NASA)
          Jeffries, Rhett (FAA)
          Felder, James (NASA)
          Schetz, Joe (VT)
          Burley, Casey (NASA)
          Sequiera, Christopher (FAA)
          Martin, John (NASA)
          Kapania, Rakesh (VT)

          http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/n

          Also the Genie reactor technology out of SPAWAR, two patents filed in Europe, and the U.S. in 2009 and 2007. This important LENR technology still has not been presented by them to the scientific community, or the people of the U.S., nor to the nuclear commissions of the world who are struggling with spent fuel issues. Publication of these patents was delayed till 2013, leading me to believe that they were ‘classified’.

          System and Method for Generating Particles – US8419919 B1
          United States Navy Patent Cold Fusion LENR Energy
          Publication number – US8419919 B1
          Publication type – Grant
          Application number – 11/859,499
          Publication date – Apr 16, 2013
          Filing date – Sep 21, 2007
          Inventors; Pamela A. Boss, Frank E. Gordon, Stanislaw Szpak, Lawrence Parker Galloway Forsley

          and this “sister” patent

          The Genie Reactor Patent http://patentscope.wipo.int/se

          Global Energy Corporation

          “We’re generation five,” Dr. Khim told the Variety during an exclusive interview, “and first of all this is a brand new concept.” He said safety is the first consideration, and that cannot be ensured by building higher walls around reactors, as Japan saw last year with Fukushima.

          “You have to change the basic science of nuclear power,” Khim explained. “We’ve been working with the U.S. Navy for about 22 years and the basic science phase is now over. Now we’re going into commercial development, which the Navy is not going to do.” But Khim says the science has been repeatedly duplicated by the Navy, and has been proven, recognized and published.

          Officials of the Navy on Guam, including Capt. John V. Heckmann Jr., CO of Naval Facilities and a professional engineer, attended the GEC briefing.

          The GEC board of directors, Khim says, includes some well-known Washington D.C. Players, including former Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci, former Congressman and Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta, and former U.S. Congressman Tom Davis, among others.”

          To top it all off, we have Space Works developing LENR powered spaceplanes, under a NASA contract in 2009.

          Seems Langley has had LENR energy long before announcing. Bushnell announced it last year.

          http://www.sei.aero/eng/papers

          Advanced Propulsion System Concept Studies
          Customer: NASA LaRC
          Duration: 6 months
          Date: 2009-2010

          SpaceWorks conducted separate vehicle design studies evaluating the potential impact of two advanced propulsion system concepts under consideration by NASA Langley Research Center:

          • The first concept was an expendable multistage rocket vehicle which utilized an advanced Air-Augmented Rocket (AAR) engine. The effect of various rocket thrust augmentation ratios were identified the resulting vehicle design where compared against a traditional expendable rocket concept

          • The second concept leverage Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR), a new form of energy generation being studied at NASA LaRC, to determine how to utilize an LENR-based propulsion system for space access. For this activity, two LENR-based rocket engine propulsion performance models where developed jointly by SpaceWorks and LaRC personnel.

        • Mauro

          But the fact that there is work being done in the US doesn’t mean that an US institution or person owns any proprietary rights to anything, Am I wrong? And after all, the US subscribes to it’s own laws and also the market economy right? So, I believe the only thing to do is to wake up and smell the coffee.

  • Allan Shura

    I would wait for confirmation. Why would Rossi sell for 11 million capital and a job when a dozen e-cats were sold about 2 years ago?

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      Because “For now, we see through a glass darkly”.

      IOW, we don’t have the whole story.

      • Omega Z

        Each of us view things from Our own little fish bowl. Tis a small view.

        Even if they obtain their call for $20 Million, There’s not much that can be done with that. Not even a drop in replacement on a conventional Coal Plant unless you add another zero minimum & the hand you the plant for free…

    • jousterusa

      The answer is likerly to be that he didn’t sell any E-Cats, or only sold one…

  • Daniel Maris

    I’m hoping that come Monday this story will begin to fly. A lot of people will be coming fresh to the news of Rossi, Cherokee, Industrial Heat and the China connection. Interesting details may emerge! Here’s hoping!!

    • ecatworld

      I hope so too, Daniel, but I’m not sure how far and wide the news will spread. So far there seems to be a limited audience for this subject, and a reluctance for major news outlets to pick it up. Maybe it’s an incremental thing — word of mouth, one click at a time.

      • Mr. Moho

        An idea: Cherokee won’t probably comment at this time about their connection with Rossi or role with Industrial Heat LLC***, but will they comment about CEO Thomas Darden’s public statements posted (in Chinese) on chinese websites about “nickel energy”, “new energy platform” ?

        ***Or at least, they didn’t back in August: http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/news/2013/08/23/industrial-heats-116m-haul-takes.html

        • Daniel Maris

          Interesting article – I am sure this has been pointed out before…I am probably just catching up, but for the benefit of others it seems from that article that Industrial Heat was “created in 2012″ and it was in that year that Rossi, I believe, stated he had sold his IP. And then he was claiming NDAs as to why he couldn’t say anything etc…but of course this all fits in now doesn’t it?

          • Omega Z

            Rossi’s IP at that time(2012) was transferred to Leonardo which has a few unnamed Investment partners. Leonardo sold to the New Business Partner shortly after the March 31st test when Everything was shipped Stateside including a 1Mw LT-E-cat..

            “Industrial Heat”(not Electric) may have something to do with the Low-Temp E-cat. Maybe they are the concern that Rossi’s partner provided the Prototype 1Mw E-cat to. Hence, Cherokee/Industrial Heat may be developing an after market product. Mr. Fabiani may have been brought in only as a consultant as to their after market product’s Feasibility.

            Not much one could do with $12 to $20 Million these days other then build some kind of aftermarket prototype of some sort…

      • Daniel Maris

        A couple of years ago, I tried to get the BBC interested. Didn’t even get the courtesy of a reply.

        Of course media interest will follow a convincing demonstration of this new energy technology, something we still await.

        • Iggy Dalrymple

          About 3 years ago I contacted Florida Governor Rick Scott and urged him to give Rossi any help and encouragement he could muster. I explained that inventor Rossi lived in Miami Beach and expressed a desire to build his device in Florida. Gov Scott replied that “energy” was not in his constitutionally allocated areas of responsibility. The Gov suggested I address my concern to Secretary of Agriculture Adam Putnam. I forwarded my email to Sec Putnam and never received a reply.

          Now, it’s looking less likely that Rossi’s factory will be in Florida. The factory may not even be in the USA.

      • bachcole

        Again, I am probably missing something because I am such a fool, but why is this Chinese connection more important than the Swedish connection?

        • Fortyniner

          Mainly I think because China has a command economy that could push adoption of CF forward rapidly in a way that would not be possible in the West, if their leaders are on board. The Western world would then be forced to follow. The Swedish confirmation of the ‘Rossi effect’ is significant but as yet does not seem to have led to any ‘real world’ developments.

      • Fortyniner

        I’m not sure it is important that what limited news there is, spreads at this time. It’s pretty clear that those who might have a part to play are already engaged or shortly will be, and that a turning point has already been reached and passed.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      The militant skeptics are enthusiastically dominating the comments on NextBigFuture.

    • bachcole

      This will also mean that we may get a lot more lurkers and commenters.

  • bachcole

    Christine, what you say about creativity may be what I keep referring to as paradigm shifting or being paradigm nimble, at least as far as brain function is concerned.

    Remember that the Swedish consortium Elforsk is hot and heavy into the E-Cat, and soon other people will be also. So, we don’t really need China, except as a nice confirmation of the E-Cat.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Comparing apples to oranges. The Elforsk report showed that it’s a nuclear reaction and worked at COP=3 for 5 days at 300 C. (The November test showed somewhat better figures but was not completely rigorous.) Whereas China’s role seems to be a potential customer. So I agree with you, and maybe it was good to remind people about it.

      • bachcole

        I understand that Elforsk is not an end user. But they are confirmation; they are putting their reputations on the line. But more is better.

  • wapiti22

    Please open a new article for philosophy and economy problems… it’s important subjects more or less related to ecat, but the comments become a big mess with a lot off topic.

    • Christina

      Weren’t we discussing what’s wrong with science? Well, the wrong starts at the school level when children–like us retirees when we were students–were taught that science is absolute and nothing much new can be found. Baa Humbug.

      My point was our children’s minds should be open to new ideas in science not by crank thoughts but by provable mathematics. The only way they can do that is to be educated in math from a young age when their minds are still malleable by the wonders found in all of God’s nature.

      Science should be prioritized to 1st place in the economy so we have an educated work force which can be utilized to explore space and the sciences. You can be your bottom dollar that the Chinese will.

      I fervently believe in helping the poor. We should help the poor in our country by giving them a great education in math and the sciences and letting them go after the jobs that they want. We shouldn’t put the next generation on welfare also so they can perpetuate the welfare debacle.

      I do intent to start a blog sometime by 2016 if my book gets finished by that time. No, I’m not saying what it’s about because I’m slow and have to do a lot of research and it’s not about science.

      Oops, I have to get going.

      Happy 2014. Hopefully, we’ll get factories with the Rossi effect also.

      Have a great day and may God bless you.

      Thank you, Frank.

  • GreenWin

    Curious again. Why would Dr. Rossi sell his $5B proprietary trade
    secret to Thomas Darden, Chief Exec Officer of Cherokee Investment
    Partners? “A Raleigh company that specializes in cleaning
    contaminated land before flipping it to developers, Cherokee is EnCap’s
    majority investor.”

    Mr. Darden’s expertise is in real
    estate development. Did the doc suggest one of his cats was
    successfully built by partner’s CEO? Odd?

    http://www.northjersey.com/news/environment/specialreports/Encaps_parent_firm_We_.html

    • wapiti22

      I don’t understang $5B trade ?

    • bitplayer

      Please explain your basis for asserting “Mr. Darden’s expertise is in real estate development”.

      Thomas Darden’s BIO is in here:
      http://www.evofem.com/about/board/

      “cleaning contaminated land before flipping it to developers” is an eye-catching journalistic phase; the actual work requires a bit more interpretation.

      • GreenWin

        “Tom Darden is the Chief Executive Officer of Cherokee and founder of its
        predecessors. Beginning in 1984, he served for 16 years as the Chairman
        of Cherokee Sanford Group, the largest privately-held brick
        manufacturing company (bricks made from oil contaminated soil) in the United States and previously the
        Southeast’s largest soil remediation company. From 1981 to 1984, Mr.
        Darden was a consultant with Bain & Company (alongside Republican candidate Mitt Romney) in Boston.”
        http://www.cherokeefund.com/bio/tdarden.htm

    • bitplayer

      delete

  • bitplayer

    To the main point of this lasted from Frank, if the Chinese leadership is aware of LENR, then the political leadership of the USA (and most of the rest of the developed world) have to be aware of it too. Think there’s any spy money focused on energy futures?

    • bachcole

      “If the Chinese leadership is aware of LENR, then the political
      leadership of the USA (and most of the rest of the developed world) have
      to be aware of it too.” Not necessarily. I know that homeopathy works. Do you know that it works? I see the USA with regard to idle gossip and backbiting to be very unfree. Our laws and Constitution and legal system may support freedom, but my neighbors would laugh their a$$es off if they knew what I was up to. I have NO friends outside of the Internet because my beliefs and opinions are not accepted by the mainstream. That is not freedom. Being intolerant of every little difference is simply not freedom. George said that he believed in the reality of UFOs. I am very practiced; early on in my marriage, my Filipina wife told me that she believed in the reality of vampires (not the Hollywood version). I am practiced at withholding judgment (accept about Frank’s grammar). That is freedom. Sure I have the perfect freedom to put George and my wife down for things I don’t believe in. But it is more freedom loving and supporting for me to keep my mouth shut and listen. It could very well be that in China polite society involves more listening and less judgments.

      • georgehants

        bachcole, please read my comment’s again.
        I did not say “George said that he believed in the reality of UFOs.”
        I simply am as with all subjects open-minded to the Evidence, unlike most of science that incompetently and coruptly debunks the Evidence on many subjects such as Cold Fusion.

      • bitplayer

        I’ve been contributing to homeopathic product development and education on and off for 25 years, for what that’s worth.

        I’m not sure what bearing the transmission of knowledge of alternative medical practices among yourself, your neighbors and your family has on the transmission of knowledge of strategic energy alternatives among national intelligence agencies.

        With respect to the rest, here’s a quote from Milarepa:
        “What we desire is complete self-arisen realization.
        But if self-arisen realization does not arise,
        Our wish should be to not lose analytical understanding.”

        Back here on the ground, I take that to start with “Think just a little before acting on the first feeling.”

        But if you want to be the village scold, you are free to do so.

        • bachcole

          The reason that brought up homeopathy was to illustrate the fact that people who communicate frequently even within the same group do not necessarily believe the same things. I believe that I made that point perfectly, so I hope that you will not be the village fool by doubting my wisdom. And I have known who Milarepa is for the past 44 years.

          • bitplayer

            so only a fool would “doubt your wisdom”?

            how about your humility? :-)

            • bachcole

              I will be giving a seminar on the glories of my humility next weekend. Tickets are $1,000. (:->)

    • Fortyniner

      Maybe that why the Saudis and Bahrainis seem to be increasingly out of favour too – and possibly why an Iran war now seems to be off the agenda. Stretching theings, perhaps – but geopolitics is a long term game, and depends on the best intelligence a State spy network can provide.

      • bitplayer

        After reading greggoble’s posts on the background activities of US agencies, it seems more likely to me that LENR is an active part of the equation. Maybe small, but factored in.

  • Mr. Moho

    There’s an article on NextBigFuture about the recently discovered connection between Rossi, Cherokee, Industrial Heat and chinese investors, but I don’t think that is very clear for those who didn’t closely follow this story here on E-Cat World.

    http://nextbigfuture.com/2014/01/strong-confirmation-that-cherokee.html

    This was all mostly inferred from Fulvio Fabiani’s connections on LinkedIn (now deleted) and to a lesser extent, Google+, but it’s not mentioned in that blog post.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Forbes picked up Arpa-E news, http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2014/01/04/doe-mentions-technology-behind-the-home-nuclear-reactor-in-funding-opportunity/

    otherwise fine, but contains sentence “LENR technology has suffered from confusion with “cold fusion”, which has largely been dismissed by the scientific community.”, arghh.

    • cx

      One thing I notice in that article is the change in tone from Zawodny. In past whenever lenr came up he used words like potentially, maybe, possibly, could. Now we see words like demonstrated – “It has the demonstrated ability to produce excess amounts of energy,
      cleanly, without hazardous ionizing radiation, without producing nasty
      waste”

    • GreenWin

      The latest PR ploy to save face for orthodox science. Won’t work. Too many people know and will pointedly argue the truth.

      • georgehants

        GreenWin where you been, hope you had a good Christmas and have a Wonderful enlightening New Year.

        • GreenWin

          Been involved with the fireworks over here in the USA George. Thanks for asking. YES, a lovely Christmas, and spectacular fireworks-lit New Years Eve on the West Coast! Good fun!

          • georgehants

            GreenWin, I think the Brit display was probably just a touch better than the U.S. Ha.

      • bachcole

        Please leave a comment saying that. Jed Rothwell left a good comment. Don’t let this accidental or deliberate deception happen without complaining.

        • GreenWin

          Roger, even titular owner Steve Forbes has given up on that rag. They are the laughing stock of news rags – since Forbes cannot sell the skunk. But you are correct, these BS references should be flagged.

    • bitplayer

      Actually a positive thing, because the deniers are coming up with a rationalization for accepting LENR, by separating it from cold fusion.

      Of course if it turns out to be reaction in which nucleons are separated and combined, they can go back to calling it cold fusion, re-write history ala 1984, and no-one will no the difference.

      “Justice is too hard. Settle for reduced suffering.”

      • Daniel Maris

        Yes, I think you’ve got it about right!

    • A.B.

      Pekka maybe you could offer a professional comment on this matter to the author? I don’t think he realizes that Krivit isn’t a good source of information when it comes to cold fusion vs LENR.

      • bachcole

        A.B., what is stopping you from leaving such a comment?

        • A.B.

          By professional comment I meant a comment by a physicist familiar with the topic.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            I would hope e.g. Storms would do it. He has clout.

        • Pekka Janhunen

          AB: OK, I see there are already many good answers up there. (btw bachcole: your comment to AB sounded unnecessary to me).

    • Fortyniner

      Good catch, Pekka. It seems that the propaganda aimed at separating the ‘new’ technology from twenty-odd years of misinformation, suppression, character assassination and general nastiness has begun through this establishment mouthpiece. We may soon see a lot more in similar vein.

  • bachcole

    Frank, you are a professional writer. You did a run-on sentence. (:-<) Please delete this comment.

    • bitplayer

      So, maybe time to temper that leap-to-judge reflex, just a wee bit?

  • wapiti22

    Maybe one of this guy is a member of the partner http://cherokeechallenge.com/team/
    Find two possibilities ?£

    http://ati-ae.com/

    http://www.mdaturbines.com

    • wapiti22

      Here a list of company base in Research Triangle Park http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_Triangle_Park

      ( Fulvio Fabiani’s (now deleted) linked in page listed the location of Industrial Heat as “Raleigh Durham, Triangle Research)

    • bitplayer

      And Power Generation Services, Inc.

      wapiti22, this is a very good line of inquiry. It shows that Cherokee has a strong network for launching the ecat into many industrial sectors. And remember, all they have to do is invent and license.

      • wapiti22

        “We will publish our theory ( we have understood very well the effect) when the IP will be safe or made useless by a strong industrialization.” July 21st, 2013 at 7:16 PM If Rossi wants a strong industrialization, he needs to have a big factory with supply chain(s) and i don’t think the production will be made in China.

        BTW, i don’t understand why Rossi need Cherokee a investiment fund if he had a big partner. WHY the big partner don’t give money for R and D ? 12 or 20 millions $ isn’t so big for a big company ?! or maybe the company is one of the twelve investors ?

        • bitplayer

          Seems like $2B investment fund would be a basis for saying he has a big partner. Again, I think the Cherokee network has all the resources he needs, including potential for additional funding. The total net worth of the principals has got to be in the hundreds of millions, and they won’t have any trouble attracting follow-on round investors once they have proof of commercial capability.

          • wapiti22

            For me Cherokee has the money, but not a production line. not a building (excuse me i wanted to say production line instead of supply chain),

            • Daniel Maris

              I am not convinced a production line is that difficult to set up. The E Cat is not an incredibly sophisticated machine as I understand it in terms of numbers of parts.

              The main metal parts could be manufactured in China (maybe that is what the connection is with China). But the computer control circuits and the reaction chambers could be produced in the USA. The whole machine could be assembled in the USA.

              Cherokee appear to have plenty of brownfield sites which probably include disused factories with assembly lines. They could be refurbished.

  • Private Citizen

    Frank, if this is too off topic or xenophobic, go ahead and delete.

    Which goodhearted, essentially harmless, well-meaning communist ruling elite should we gift the most powerful economic and strategic technology in history to first, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Kim Jong-Il — or just the current batch of benevolent Butchers of Tiananmen and Tibet?

    Oh wait, in a land of plenty (and unlimited power) they will all become Thomas Jefferson and Mother Theresa combined.

    At least think about the possibility that China will not use this incredible economic advantage, with their ability to monopolize production, with your best interest in mind. After all, China is known for fair play, aren’t they?

    I suppose they would get the tech eventually and overtake the world anyway, unless the West went all-in with production and protectionism. So what’s another few $trillion more in trade imbalance, with China able to buy up the assets of a bankrupt West for pennies?

  • georgehants

    I think I and a few others have been trying for three years to point out the complete corruption and incompetence in almost the whole scientific community.
    I think now would be a good time to start doing the same investigation that many on these pages have done to find Mr. Rossi’s “secrets”, to now find those responsible for the horrifically sad state of science leading to the Cold Fusion fiasco that is repeated daily on many other scientific subjects.
    It may be a good time for the “scientists” on page to open their eyes and look at reality.
    Do these “scientists” not care that they and science are becoming the crazy joke of society and rightly so, until all students are taught a scientific method that encourages an open-minded approach to every subject and kudos for those willing to argue against dead-brained scientific Dogma with their so called “qualified” betters.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      I fully agree with your opinion about the corruption and incompetence of the science community. It is a must that the current system be radically overhauled and that research money can be made available without any strings attached so that truly independent research can be done.

      It’s also a revolution that should be supported or better still started within the science community themselves for it to have the biggest effect.

      However now may not be the best time. Once LENR and the story behind it becomes known we would have the tide with us. Trying to raise attention for this now would probably get you ignored or seen as a crackpot opinion.

      • bachcole

        I think that corruption is 40% of it. Incompetence is 0% of it. And the rest, 60%, is the same ol’ same ol’ resistance that all human beings, including scientists, have to change. The history of science is strewn with denial of new and better ideas. Phlogiston held sway for 100 years. And with the infusion of huge amounts of government money, the problem is even worse.

        • georgehants

          bachcole, you are always full of “opinion” of subjects would you like to surprise us and give your view of how to better the situation.

          • bachcole

            Nice of you to being so insulting. Removing that hate filled attitude in scientists would be a good start.

            Given that I think that 40% of the problem is government money, somehow get the money distribution separated from the ***scientific*** politics would be good. I am very unsure how to do that. If there is no judgment calls regarding the distribution of funds for scientific research, then really foolish research can be started by unqualified people just looking for funds.

            Teach philosophy, the study of thinking and knowing, early in school, along with the scientific method. Science and materialism have become our religion, and understanding thought and the thinking process and observation and how they all work together (read: philosophy) has been completely abandoned. This is partly because no one can make any money off of philosophy. Unfortunately such an abandonment of philosophy has made us a STUPID people who cannot distinguish between theory and observation.

            • georgehants

              bachcole, please explain “being so insulting” when i simply showed you that your “opinions” are in error.
              Please apologise for such a basic mistake as to say scientists are not incompetent when I have given you a link from today showing that science is incompetently losing 80% of their data.
              Interesting points you have made, would not the first step to being competent on Researching any subject such as Homoeopathy be for scientists to become competent and not corrupt.
              Teach students from the start to have an open-minds that will only search for the Truth with Research and not dumb -brained “expert opinion”
              When science grows up then we may find the Truth about Homoeopathy and many other subjects debunked by opinion with not the slightest regard for the scientific Evidence.

        • BroKeeper

          If you remove the letters l, g, i, and s from “phlogiston” you get “photon”, a high energy fire-like element. Maybe he was right.
          (:->)

          • bachcole

            If you remove the last “eper” from “BroKeeper” you get “goose”.

            • BroKeeper

              Paybacks are hell-o.

        • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

          That’s quite a discussion going on here. I can understand everything being subjective as every observation is going through one’s own perception filter. Two people may interpret the same observation slightly different. That’s why we have the scientific method to come to the same conclusion based on a set of rules that we all agree on.
          It’s best we concentrate on the scientific method instead of differences in interpretation of observations. Peter Hagelstein has a nice opinion about it: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Hagelsteinontheoryan.pdf

          Corruption is a problem as I think that big corporations have too much say in our university education system but also in our political system. They usually want some specific research so that their money is well spent and can be justified to the shareholders or accountants. True research money is getting to be rare. MFMP is funded by truly independent research money so it can be done.

          I also think that this has created a university system that is no longer free to teach and research, but is bound by what is economically feasible. That same system is training our future scientists so it stands to reason that they go to work following the same dogma in their future professional working life.

          It’s the same in the medical profession where there is the right treatment and the cost effective treatment. As an example; antibiotics cure you completely: It kills whatever is ailing you. The big medical companies are not really interested in the development of new antibiotics. More money can be made by treating with medicine that can’t cure but can stop the disease. HIV is a good example of a disease that makes billions of dollars. A cure would definitely be a setback for said companies but the whole medical profession seem to accept that as a given.

          So things have to be solved at the root of the system and that is what is difficult to do. Banks have nearly ruined our world with their morally bankrupt practices, but not much has really changed. Such changes must be supported by political, economical and moral decisions and that is very difficult to achieve.

          So we need to decide as a society that things ought to change and I for one do not see that happening so fast. It’s society’s own incompetence that it cannot see the problems it’s facing and therefore their unwillingness to change.

      • georgehants

        Julian, thank you, If a few more people, like me, do not give a fig about being called a “crackpot” when I am simply stating the Truth, then maybe science would solve some of it’s problems.
        One may notice that the “scientists” on page stay well clear of my comments, not one of them usually willing to debate with me the Truth of my statements, just happy to hide their heads in the sand in the usual scientific way they have been taught when faced with a Truth that destroys their unscientific Dogma.

        • bachcole

          George, I agree with you 1000% with regard to scientists calling other people “crackpot”s and being afraid of being called a “crackpot”. This is a really big problem in this country. I think that it is much less of a problem in other countries. It means that we will excel WITHIN accepted paradigms, but will be stuck in accepted paradigms and not be able to get out. This could be seen in the F & P episode and will mean that we will be late in accepting LENR+.

          But how do we fix it? I still see my 14 year old son unwilling to wear anything by Calvin Klein because he says that the other kids say that it is gay because Calvin Klein is gay. The subject matter may not be science, but the attitude is the same. Anything different, anything outside of the norm, anything outside of the dominant paradigm is to be ridiculed. Perhaps FORCING proto-scientists to study the history of science might be a good idea, such history to have an emphasis on the screw-ups and resistance that the history of science is filled with, like the business about the rocks falling from the sky, or the Wright Bros. I think that when society wakes up to what has happened, this would be a very good thing to encourage our colleges and universities to do.

          • georgehants

            bachcole, many thanks, society is difficult but maybe the place to start is with the profession that try’s to claim the high ground with it’s supposed integrity. Science.
            Remove the corruption and incompetence and put in it’s place the only scientific principle, method, etc. TRUTH

            Let any scientist on page come on now and debate the scientific Dogma concerning any subject, to make it easy for them, can I suggest they show me how I am in error on my views concerning UFO’s or say Crop Circles.
            I think a deafening silence fill follow.

            • bachcole

              Let’s try Crop Circles. I like Crop Circles. To me, just my opinion, something is happening with crop circles, and it ain’t normal. I know that there are debunkers out there making crop circles, but I still think that there is something happening that is not normal. Debunkers are terrified of anything abnormal, and their doing crop circles does not explain all of the crop circles. I absolutely, positively refuse to be certain about anything with regard to crop circles; this is my position.

              • georgehants

                bachcole, interesting but just an “opinion” not backed by Evidence and a scientific principle.
                I would rather debate scientifically with a “qualified” scientist so that I can learn their Wonderful methods of deduction that lead to things like the debunking of Cold Fusion for 24 years.

                • bachcole

                  Unfortunately, George, you can’t remove the subjective from science, as much as you would like. And I don’t WANT the subjective removed from science. As usual, there needs to be a balance. It is this subjectivity-phobia that causes all hospitals to try to be so sterile and allows homeopathy to be such an easy target for debunkers.

                • georgehants

                  bachcole, complicating every subject is not helpful.
                  If one wishes to find the Truth regarding Homoeopathy then stick to the point.
                  To begin one must have an open-mind ready to accept Evidence in any direction, plus or minus.
                  Their must be no corruption or incompetence and any such should be highlighted and removed.
                  Their is no subjectivity as only Evidence is searched for.
                  If the Evidence is not clear then one does not give an opinion or try to make a decision regarding the subject one states, we do not know and only more competent Research will move us forward.
                  Now please find me a highly “qualified” scientist to prove me wrong.

                • bachcole

                  It does not matter if you think that the subjective complicates. It is there nevertheless. Where do you think corruption resides, or laziness, or the unwillingness to explore. Opinion, conviction, proof, belief, ideas, models are all subjective. My saying that I have nothing but opinion regarding crop circles is honesty, which is subjective. I could pontificate about crop circles, but the difference between that and my attitude is subjective.

                  Without the subjective there is no being, no consciousness, no purpose. Science has NO PURPOSE if it does not serve the subjective. Why don’t lamestream physicists accept LENR; because of subjective elements like corruption, fear of ridicule, stubbornness, philosophical retardation, etc.

                • georgehants

                  bachcole, you are confused again.
                  I did not say there was no subjective, if you read carefully you will note that I am saying the subjective has no place in Science.
                  Your “opinion regarding Crop Circles is of course totally irrelevant from a scientific point of view.
                  Good talking to you, I would now like to debate only with justified scientific principles and not the everyday confusions that you are displaying.

                • bachcole

                  I have never been discussing (not debating) scientific principles. We are in agreement about that. I am discussing how human beings work, and the subjective is a part of that. For example, my strident adhesion to honesty for the past 44 years is subjective and it has cleared out a lot of obstructing crap in my ability to look at phenomena clearly, including my ability to know and say “I don’t know”. The various lamestream physicists who are denying LENR should have been saying “I don’t know” since 1989 (unless of course they did a little study of cold fusion) instead of saying “It ain’t so.” But the difference between what they should be saying and what they are saying is the subjective practice of honesty. Unless they study cold fusion, science has nothing to do with this difference between their being bloviating baffoons and wise men.

                • wapiti22

                  Please open a new article for philosophy and science problems… it’s important subjects more or less related to ecat, but the comments become a big mess with a lot off topic.

                • georgehants

                  wapiti22, are you suggesting that the corruption and incompetence of science regarding Cold Fusion and many other subjects is not highly relevant.
                  Please give your view as to how this terrible situation with science can be improved.

                • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

                  I feel just a little bit ambivalent about it, but I don’t really mind the discussion wapiti22. Georgehants and Bachcole are both well spoken and generally refrain from bad language or personal attacks. And it is somewhat relevant as perception is important. When we both see an incident, we will both rapport slightly different views which is what Bachcole is referring to, I think.
                  The main theme is important and also discussed: corruption and incompetence of the science system.
                  Your point would possibly be that it’s beside the main point of LENR/ECAT, but you can probably see how it is relevant too. If it hadn’t been for politics, corruption and different views; some based on truth and some based on lies or different interpretations, LENR could have powered the world for a decade at least already. That is worrisome to say the least if we have missed out of a clean power source just because of the above mentioned problems and therefore relevant.

                • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

                  To clarify: your point would be it’s beside the main article (e-cat knowledge at highest levels in china), but the comments thread is about the corruption and different views. That’s acceptable (to me) as I have explained above.

                • bachcole

                  Z^3, I deeply appreciate your fair and appreciative perception of my comments. I also have nothing but good thoughts and feelings for George, and I apologize to him if I am been testy occasionally.

                  My bottom line: If we go AT disbelievers with aggression, anger, and loaded stereotypes, we will drive them away.

                • bachcole

                  Subjective elements sometimes taint our observations. You can’t get away from this. Wishful thinking, accepted models, etc. taint observations. People believe in the Piltdown man for a long time because they wanted it to be true and because they didn’t want to look silly by not believing it.

                • georgehants

                  bachcole, you seem to be going round and round.
                  Your point re. Piltdown man just explains why the subjective must be removed. Only Evidence counts.

                  “Opinions” especially “expert opinions” are a joke that qualified people use to cover-up their total ignorance and incompetence.
                  There are of course certain special occasions when opinion must be used, to determine a direction of Research maybe when the Evidence is many pathed.
                  This is where the incompetent and corrupt grasp their opertunity to excel.

                • georgehants

                  bachcole, unfortunately what you “want” is not of interest, unless it conforms to a scientific principle of only search for the Truth.
                  You say you want the subjective and then say that it is causing all your problems re. hospital cleanliness.
                  You then say that the subjective is causing
                  “homoeopathy to be such an easy target for debunkers.”
                  The subjective is ridiculous unscientific mumbo-jumbo.
                  If only the Evidence is adhered to including personal accounts of experiences, which unfortunately science in it’s reductionist errors forbids, then we could move on.
                  Is there a scientist on page that would like to debate, excepting with controls, subjective Evidence.

                • bachcole

                  I am sure that we are misunderstanding each other.

                  Personal accounts of experiences are subjective. In fact, ALL experiences are subjective. The objective has been called trans-subjective.

                • georgehants

                  bachcole, last reply tonight.
                  You seem to have great difficulty in separating common-sense discussion from deeper depths of philosophy and Quantum etc.
                  One cannot mix the two, I am well able to discuss any of those subjects but it makes no sense to bring in to a chat that everything is an illusion formed from waves that science does not have the remotest clue as to there origin etc.
                  Good night and sleep well.

                • bachcole

                  On crop circles all I have is an opinion.

              • Daniel Maris

                Yep, people are going around with planks of wood and a rope and making them…that’s what’s happening. :)

                • bachcole

                  Daniel, the problem with that theory, which obvious does cover some crop circles, is that there are way too many of them dispersed too widely in the world. Also, farmers don’t like them for some reason :) , but no one has ever been caught. And then there are these lights over the fields that people have recorded. I’m tell ya, it ain’t normal. (:->) And I don’t give a fig if it is or not.

                • georgehants

                  Daniel, going by your reply I would take a guess that you are a highly qualified scientist.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Academia must be wet their pants scared over this. They’ll try their best to disconnect this from their despicable treatment of Fleischmann and Pons a quarter of a century ago.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htgV7fNO-2k

  • Julian Becker

    Can finally someone ask Rossi about his opinion? Any reaction from him? No need to be so secretive any longer :)

    • BroKeeper

      Julian, all partners may not be completely reveled yet. Yes it appears Cherokee is the major business partner but they are not in a position to be an industrial partner. Remember AR’s response in JoNP on December 18th: “When I need something that exists I get it in hours, if not minutes, when I need something that does not exist we invent it and make it in days, if not hours. I never have worked so well in my life, honestly.”

      IMO only a partner with industrial ability to provide anything within hours/minutes or even create it on demand would meet that bill. There may be more layers to the spider web of intermediary or specialized partners yet to be revealed. We should know for sure by early spring.

      • Julian Becker

        Yes sure. Would it be possible that his industrial partner is located at the Research Triangle Institute in Durham, North Carolina? Could this also be the location of the factory? Not Florida, but North Carolina?

        • ecatworld

          I think that’s possible. Fulvio Fabiani’s (now deleted) linked in page listed the location of Industrial Heat as “Raleigh Durham, Triangle Research”

          • Daniel Maris

            I guess a company like IBM could deliver tens of millions of dollars of investment in kind – never putting a dollar in, just applying their experts to the problem.

            • wapiti22

              If only Cherokee is involved. Does Cherokee have expert engineers available because it’s only an investisment company ? Even a company with billions can’t build fasty a competent and expert team of engineers.

              Maybe the production of ecat isn’t so complex.. you have alright

        • BroKeeper

          Yes, very possible. Good point, great location. IBM’s jStart Group: “Emerging Technology’s client engagement team: developing emerging technologies solutions to address immediate business needs” resides at 3039 E. Cornwallis Road, Research Triangle Park, NC.

        • wapiti22

          And it must be a USA partner based in USA not a factory in China

      • wapiti22

        Maybe one of this guy is a member of the partner http://cherokeechallenge.com/team/

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        My feeling too. The partner he’s working with must have great research facilities, not just some research staff but a full machine shop and all the modern tools needed or bought if necessary. We may still not know the partner he develops with, just the financial setup and the rather impresive. “old boys network”.

      • bitplayer

        Or, Industrial Heat LLC could have a network of suppliers within the Research Triangle with segregated “need to know” responsibilities. The “old boys” network (see wapiti22′s link) could have “one phone call” access to all the resources that could possibly be needed.

        • BroKeeper

          Certainly a possibility. They would have to be in close proximity to receive something in minutes. Good point.

  • Christopher Calder

    I remember reading a year or two ago that the Emperor of Japan was interested in LENR research. The European Union knows about it, but there seems to be a conspiracy of silence on the matter. The US television media is certainly blacklisting the subject.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      “This Ain’t No Party… This Ain’t No Disco… This Ain’t No Foolin’ Around” (Talking Heads).

      Yeah, the discovery that will change everything and we hear nothing about it!

    • bachcole

      Please keep in mind that the European Union is not just one person, and some dude or dudette in one part of the structure may know all about LENR, may even be a contributor to this website, and another dude or dudette may have no clue what we are talking about. Without this sort of discrimination, all manner of silly conspiracy theories can arise. Just exactly like I know about and believe in homeopathy and many here do not.

  • wapiti22

    Find a new page related to Cherokee fund in China http://www.cec.com.cn/Company-Info/Management/Executive-Team/lxc/important/15220.aspx

    Cherokee fund in chine is (google translate) 切诺基基金

    Please make search this term on google to find new information

    • Mr. Moho

      Nice find!
      Thanks for your suggestion too.

      BTW, it also looks like Google Translate has problems translating 汤姆达登 as Thomas Darden.

      • wapiti22

        try this 托马斯·达顿 for Thomas Darden.

        I add two new links. Cherokee is mention but don’t know if it’s useful

        http://www.nsp.gov.cn/show.asp?id=2131

        http://www.hebstd.gov.cn/news/dongtai/content_89197.htm

        • Mr. Moho

          Probably all these links are not necessarily related to deals and talks involving Cherokee and LENR, after all. However it might be useful to know if Thomas Darden himself is usually such a busy person. I would have expected other people to do this job than the company president and founder.

          Anyway, I guess the bottom line is that Cherokee appears to be quite active in China.

          • bachcole

            I got a car dealership when I searched for the Chinese characters that spell “Cherokee fund”.

            • Mr. Moho

              It could be helpful to search for exact matches by enclosing the search term with quotation marks like this:

              “切诺基基金”

              You could also more specifically search for:

              “美国切诺基基金”

              The first two character stand for “USA”. Cherokee Fund appears to be referred like that often on chinese websites.

              Additionally limiting search results to the past year might help too.

        • Mr. Moho

          From the second link, the very last paragraph, Google Translated:

          [...] The signing of the Sino-US Science and Technology Innovation Park project located in Baoding, in bringing new CODA electric car project, nickel reactor new energy projects, while new projects fireproof materials, will greatly promote local technological level Baoding, promoting local technology and economic development.

          The article is from last September, which is temporally close to the Industrial Heat LLC chinese meeting in October.

          • Daniel Maris

            Isn’t this the way China works? If they decide there is a new technology and a new market coming into being, they allocate locations, state enterprises and sites to that, to provide a springboard around which private enterprise will take off as well. I am beginning to suspect the Chinese must have confirmed LENR effects themselves and are now trying to attract advanced practitioners – we all know what the end result will be of course, but hey-ho, that’s the way it goes.

            • Andreas Moraitis

              There’s plenty of articles on Rossi and the other players in the Chinese internet, just google 冷核聚变 (“cold fusion”). Some of them are obviously translations (you will find even Forbes’ Mark Gibbs), but many others seem to be of Chinese origin.

              Moreover, there is some interest in the academic field, here’s a report on an event at Tsinghua University:

              http://www.lenr.com.cn/index.php?m=content&c=index&a=show&catid=7&id=46

              They mention Rossi, Defkalion, The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences, and NASA. Professor Xing Zhong Li, one of the contributors, has also been a speaker at ICCF-17: http://iccf17.org/sub04_03.php

              Obviously he switched from “hot” to “cold”, which is remarkable (click “Biography”):

              “1984-1985, Visiting Scientist at MIT Plasma Fusion Center. [...] 1999 & 2000, Visiting Scientist at Bologna University [!], Dept. of Physics.”

              I’m sure they know much more than we suspect.

          • Mr. Moho

            This should be interesting too, while it does not explicity refer to
            “nickel reactors” or Industrial Heat LLC. It’s last November news:
            http://bd.hebnews.cn/2013-11/11/content_3597115.htm

            The
            chinese visited the Research Triangle Park in NC to discuss more with
            Tom Darden/Cherokee about their 10 billion Yuan technology park project
            in Baoding as per other news recently linked.

            • artefact

              10 billion Yuan = 1.65248 billion U.S. dollars

              • Daniel Maris

                Here’s a link to the technology park site:

                http://english.chnindustry.cn/cyyq/110842/

                It’s focussed on

                “Solar photovoltaic generation,wind power generation,electric transmission and
                transformation equipment,high efficiency and energy saving equipment.”

                A good fit for the E Cat certainly.