Puzzle — Rossi’s Partner Profile

Okay everyone, since it’s almost Christmas, and since we’re still in waiting mode, here’s a game people might like to play.


We have precious little information about Andrea Rossi’s partner organization, but let’s see if we can hazard a guess about the kind of organization that Rossi’s partner might be, based on the information he has revealed.

I’d like to start by quoting our esteemed ECW commenter, 49er, on the topic who today wrote:

It seems entirely possible that Rossi’s partner may not be the huge multinational that many of us envisaged/hoped, but a relatively small company with limited manufacturing facilities. Such a company might be able to field 16 or so engineers to assist AR, and to supply research instruments and prototype engineering on demand, but would not be in a position to build a large prototype generator set (commercial series-produced gensets can cost many millions, and a prototype would cost a multiple of that).

I think 49er may not be far off the mark.

One clue that I don’t think has been discussed much is the fact that Rossi says he is now the ‘Chief Scientist’ of the new organization. It would be a huge step for a large multinational company to hire Rossi directly into the position of chief scientist without any press release, or at least someone within the organization reporting on it. Also, if the company is a public company, they would probably legally have to report the hiring such a key administrative officer. A chief scientist presiding over a team of 16 scientists or engineers would not seem to fit the profile of a company like General Electric (which has a workforce of over 300,000)

Other clues that Rossi has given are: The company is based in the United States, it has some kind of experience working in China, and it is already working in the energy sector.

So, I’ll throw it out to the community here — given what we have been told (admittedly very little), what kind of company profile do you think we’re looking at?


  • GreenWin

    I would assume the partner multidimensional to afford to invest in arcane new physics able to “serve mankind.” Sherlock Holmes, Mata Hari, Sam Spade, and each of their descendants would be incapable of following such a venture. But it would be amusing to watch them try.

  • bachcole

    It would be hard for me because I have a great working relationship with my conscience and I don’t want to phuck it up.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    I will narrow my guess to DEKA or GE to DEKA and GE.

  • http://www.libertynewspost.com/ Liberty Newspost

    I think this company http://earlenergy.com/doug-moorehead-featured-in-wired-magazine/ Earl Energy might be Rossi’s “American Partner”

  • BroKeeper

    I have
    another question. What would it take to
    retire Santa’s reindeers with an E-Cat?
    Ho! Ho! Ho! Merry Christmas everyone!

  • LENR G

    There seems to be interesting circumstantial evidence for:
    Google
    DEKA/Dean Kamen
    Siemens/Westinghouse and/or B&W

    How about a best guess poll (+Other and +IT’S A TRAP!), admin?

    • bachcole

      I predict that everyone so far is wrong. There are just too many companies in the USA, including a mid-cap, which I think that it is.

    • US_Citizen71

      Personally I won’t rule Google out until the barges start allowing reporters on-board. They are a bit too perfect a match for the ultimate demo of LENR technology. Propulsion, electricity, desalination as well as heating/cooling demonstrations all in one place with easy access to an endless supply of coolant to dispose of waste heat. We will know by summer’s end. Google’s non-answer answer on what they are for didn’t rule out LENR. As for demoing Glass, Tablets, etc they would be better served by converting a bus or a semi-trailer that can be driven any where there is a population.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        About google, “At that time Page mused
        that people are often scared of new technology and he wanted a place to
        exist where people were open to experimentation, away from regulations.” (http://hexus.net/business/news/internet/62137-google-reveals-true-purpose-mystery-off-shore-barges/). And also: “… since [the barge] is not able to dock at one pier for more than
        a month at a time.” (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/10435752/Google-secret-barge-project-a-glimpse-inside-Googles-floating-studio.html). It looks as if they want to avoid some part of US regulation by moving into a ship and that a barge would go for a ship if it changes pier every month. I doubt that there is any technical reason why the barge should change pier every now and then. So this might explain why barge and not some normal ground installation. Whether it has anything to do with LENR is another question.

        • bachcole

          Brilliant analysis.

        • US_Citizen71

          The 30 day movement is due to harbor rules in San Francisco, they do not want people living on the water like they do in Asia and other places. It is hold over from laws put in place to mitigate the mass influx from Asia in the middle 1800′s to early 1900′s. San Francisco wasn’t always the race friendly place it is today.

  • Fortyniner

    “..the charge made by the Partner’s CEO…”

    For me, that phrase rang completely true, and seems to instantly eliminate the likes of GE, Siemens and so on, as the CEOs of such concerns would be very unlikely to get involved in prototype fabrication. There is also Rossi’s repeated insistance that the ethos of the company involved is philanthropic – again, not an accusation that could be levelled at the average corporation.

    Only inventor/entrepreneurs like Dean Kamen seem to fit the bill.

    • US_Citizen71

      If it was a company rule, there would be no problem bending it for the CEO and other high level persons. Always remember the golden rule “He who has the gold makes the rules!”.

      • bachcole

        And of course what is meant by “gold” matters, whether it is that metallic stuff or if the word “gold” is a metaphor for the Fountain of Divine Love, one of whose birthdays we celebrate tomorrow.

      • Fortyniner

        Yes, I’ve worked in several organisations where the ‘top’ people considered themselves above any in-house rules. I get the impression though that people like Kamen and Musk tend to operate to higher standards in this respect. Nothing to stop them all getting plastered in a restaurant later on though!

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      That would be my interpretation. Other than bars, clubs, and restaurants, most businesses forbid drinking on the business premises.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Frank, this subject is a lot of fun! Merry Christmas.

    • ecatworld

      Thanks, Bernie — same to you!

  • Billy Jackson

    all this speculation.. yet not one volunteer to follow him to work for 2-3 mornings..his address is well known. if he’s going to work daily as he claims to do research at his partner’s facility then that’s just a matter of following him in a safe manner (no need to endanger yourself or him) if he goes there every day.. then blam you know the location.. and probably business he’s working with.. if he’s sitting in his home or random running around then he’s lying about the whole ordeal. a private detective for 4-5000.00 could tell you what you wanted to know after a few weeks.

    • bachcole

      Billy, feel free to be incredibly self-centered and cruel and perhaps destructive. If it were in Rossi’s interests and thus humanity’s interest for him to tell us who the partner is, then he would have. Unless of course you believe in the promises of socialism and kum ba ya. But those promises have yet to be fulfilled, sort of like hot-fusion.

      • Private Citizen

        Do you doubt that any industrial competitor or foreign government would shrink from being self-centered or cruel enough to not only follow Rossi, but utilize every spying technology and resource at their disposal to get this most disruptive technology in the history of man?

        Again, I’ll state that the only ones kept in the dark here are the general public.

        Trigger those whose confirmation bias is upset, fantasizing that some super secret white-hat protection agency must be keeping Rossi secure because their secret agenda is to pass the technolgy to the world thru an eccentric Italian garage engineer.

        • bachcole

          I take as a given that any powerful group or individual threatened by Rossi will follow him and try to disrupt his work if possible, unless they still don’t believe it. By the time people become aware that LENR is real, it will be way too late.

          Being rich and powerful does not help one avoid being crippled when it comes to paradigm-shifting. Paradigm-shifting cripples NEVER understand and know that they are cripples. They will simply stand back and be proud that they did not fall for such malarkey.

    • Omega Z

      You can bet certain people are aware of much more then us. But their not talking.
      As far as keeping secrets, Google’s doing a pretty good job.
      Reporters keep coming up empty.
      Even with certain Government Agencies requiring some disclosure, Google barges have a different purposes depending which Agency you check with. Each listed purpose is different.

  • ecatworld

    Here’s another key comment — any clues from this?

    “AND HERE IS AN UPDATE OF TODAY, JULY 8TH:The past three days have been holidays for most, but for us have been a tremendous period of work during which we made a historic page for what concerns our tech: for the first time, an E-Cat module, entirely produced by our USA Partner in the new factory ( a magnificence), charged with the charge made by the Partner’s CEO, using the materials we teached to buy, prepare,manipulate, treat, to make the charges, assembled , insulated, has started its operation, and the results are the same of the E-Cats built by us. This event means that for the first time an E-Cat not built by me, not controlled by me and not charged by me, not tested in my factory, but manufactured from third parties upon our instructions and know how has worked properly. This is the first unit of the plant that will give to the factory of our USA Partner all its necessary thermal energy, and is also the school ship for the employees. It is very important that it has been completely made by the Customer, not by me: it is the first of millions, but the first is always special. We celebrated with Coca Cola ( alcohol is forbidden in that factory). All the former plants, even if built in the USA, had been supplied with reactors cores made by me, so this is a very important step.”

    • LENR G

      I find the use of the word “ship” in “…is also the school ship for the employees…” quite curious. Maybe it’s just an Italian translation thing but if I use my imagination for a moment…

      Are the Google barges the home of the actual prototype E-Cat factories? Isolated… very secret… would need a source of heat unlike other run of the mill land-based factories… used for training (school) and eventually public visitation. A magnificence? A magnificent factory? Strange description unless there’s something unusual about it. Like it’s on a barge in SF Bay.

      When did the Google VIP visit the barge on his yacht? Was that around July 8th? I need to go try and dig that up.

    • Stanny Demesmaker

      1) Motorola(part of google) opened a factory in texas, (a former nokia plant) , where they mass produce the Moto X, this was launched the end of August. His comment was made in July, a month before the factory went online.

      2) In some parts of Texas alcohol is forbidden, fort worth where the factory is located, has this kind of restriction

    • Fortyniner

      “..the charge made by the Partner’s CEO…”

      For me, that phrase rang completely true, and seems to instantly eliminate the likes of GE, Siemens and so on, as the CEOs of such concerns would be very unlikely to get involved in prototype fabrication. There is also Rossi’s repeated insistance that the ethos of the company involved is philanthropic – again, not an accusation that could be levelled at the average corporation.

      Early rapid progress (probably ongoing and unreported except for hints by Rossi) seems to imply a flexibilty and hands-on management style that would not be found in a very large company.

      For me, all indications are that the partner is an inventor/entrepreneur like Dean Kamen

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      “the school ship for the employees”

      That phrase stumps me.

      • Pekka Janhunen
      • LENR G

        I take it to mean a facility for training LENR engineers… that is, the first partner-built plant is being used to heat the factory and teach the partner’s engineers about the components in the plants and operation of the plants. Exactly what I would expect the first independent plant to be used for.

        The question for me is whether the use of the word “ship” was a slip of the tongue or perhaps an intentional hint. Taken in a literal sense, ship could mean the Google barges.

        If he just meant training facility he could have said that, but instead he said “school ship.” Just in the category of this that make you go “hmmm” is all.

  • Stanny Demesmaker

    My few cents:

    1) We can exclude deka from the list, I listen to some recent interviews of Dean Kamen, and there was nothing that I could pick up that he had some big announcement coming up or that he sees the energy problem as fixed.

    2)It’s a US partner, which excludes Siemens.

    2) This is a very interesting quote of Rossi: “The CEO of one of the most important car manufacturing company of the world told me that the certification process to apply our technology to cars or trucks can last up to 20 years. Can you imagine how much could last the certification process for a flying object containing persons? ” –> The person he probably refers to is Elon musk. Elon Musk who is a personal friend of Larry Page (google).

    3) I listened to some interviews/presentations of astro teller(head of google x). Project Moonshot is perfect inline with LENR.

    You have to listen to the answer he gives on a question at 43:40

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA_8IO3vbFs#t=2629

    With some imagination you can think of the example of Andrea Rossi. Especially when he gives an imaginary example of an anti gravity device in the second part of his answer.

    4) Rossi has a lot of confidence in his partner. So it must be a very well known company. He likes to talk about his partner as a person.(Larry Page)

    5) Google is already looking into brillouin energy inc, so they know about the existence of LENR.

    Google is my best guess at the moment.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      But how can you exclude Kamen as the secret partner just because he(Kamen) did not blab out the secret during an interview? That’s what secret keepers are supposed to do…”not blab”.

  • BroKeeper

    It certainly is in the realm of possibility Rossi’s intermediate partner would have extended partnership contract with bigger fish. I’m sure his partner is looking for high profile companies to venture together E-Cat’s magnificent potential into multiple segments of industry.

    It would not be surprising any previous contracts were adapted and passed on to Rossi’s partner for expansion into multiple industries like pyramid partnerships with US Navy, NASA, TESLA, GE, Siemens, Google, Watsco, etc. I would love to know Rossi’s partner’s partners family tree.

    Rossi is already a multi-millionaire from first installments alone. He may have started to invest into real-estate having multiple residencies.

    • Fortyniner

      I think “intermediate partner” is exactly right. Whoever it is will probably only be able to take Rossi’s system so far, and will then need to initiate strategic arrangements with bigger fish for the next stage. By then of course a full pilot prototype or prototypes should be operational, so the technical challenges remaining will be just those of scaling and adaptation.

      There shouldn’t be any shortage of takers, and it’s even possible that the 2nd stage may already be under way to some extent (perhaps initial discussions and outline negotiations?). Big wheels could be beginning to turn – which would probably explain why we onlookers are more or less out of the loop now.

  • Fortyniner

    Interesting speculation, and I agree that CF may be developed under some sort of cover in the early stages (no public announcements, ever vaguer comments from AR). m-Power and similar small plutonium burners from Hitachi are being closely looked at as a possible means of disposing of embarrassingly large stockpiles of nuclear waste at places like Sellafield in the UK, following expensive failures of MOx manufacturing plants and the technical failure of experimental vitrification/glassification methods, and might make suitable cover for CF development as you suggest. The same might also apply to any quiet development of the GeNiE hybrid CF reactor, that could fulfill the same function.

    http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?2155-DoE-funding-GEC-GeNiE-hybrid-LENR-fission-reactor

    http://coldfusionnow.org/transmutes-radioactive-wastes-now-u-s-navy-and-lenr-energy/

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Andrea Rossi
    August 13th, 2011 at 7:21 AM
    Dear Henry:
    Our USA Partner is a team of enlightened People who wants to put this technology at the service of Mankind, due to their cultural roots.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    “Progress in the service of mankind” was the maxim of Werner von Siemens.
    Could just be a coincidence, though.

    Merry Christmas to all.

    A.M.

    • Fortyniner

      That’s very interesting – thanks. Merry Christmas to you and yours.

      • ecatworld

        Check the date on that quote, 49er. That was three months after Ampenergo was announced as the USA partner. I think things have changed since then.

        • Bernie Koppenhofer

          It is important in the sense that Rossi was looking for a partner who shared his vision, “to put this technology at the service of Mankind” this might rule out some large Corps. It does not rule out DEKA.

          • bachcole

            Good point. Look for idealism. I doubt if there is much left in GE, except perhaps manufactured idealism in the advertisement department.

        • Bernie Koppenhofer

          By the way isn’t it interesting that Ampenergo principals , well connected in government circles have seemed to disappear

        • Fortyniner

          It’s certainly a depressingly long time ago!

    • Omega Z

      There is multiple soft evidence for Siemens over time. I give it 60% plus odds. Two Issues are of question And I can only partly rationalize/reconcile them, thus my caveats…

      1. The American Partner. Siemens is in fact of German Origin.

      U.S citizens think of All major Corporations & multinational Corporations as American. For Certain, We treat them as such. Ask BP Oil. Yes, we have issue’s.
      Westinghouse was a U.S. Corporation. And Siemens bought a portion of it.(SWPC)
      “Part of the Westinghouse Power Generation group, the Westinghouse …. facility in Orlando, as part of the Siemens Westinghouse Power Corporation”
      Also Siemens Westinghouse has a MAJOR “Co-Generation” Facility in North Carolina & fits like a glove to 1 of Rossi’s statements “Co-Generation operation” of such. Siemens recently expanded this facility by 1/2 a million sqft.
      So it’s Partially U.S. entity(Westinghouse) Based in the U.S., listed in the U.S. Stock Exchange, is a Multinational(World Wide) that also has Operations in China.
      I Can’t Rule them out. So I leave a Question Mark.

      2. Rossi’s Call for Info on a Stirling Generators. His Caveat’s: Market Ready, Efficient-Exceeding 25%-Preferable 30% plus & Cost competitive Energy production wise.

      “? mark”-Siemens has a Stirling Generator-CHP system. However, It is not Cheap-(Energy production wise) And maximum Efficiency is only 20% for electric generation.
      Thus this Issue can be reconciled. Find a Market Ready Product that meets their criteria & Buy Them Out. This is Normal Operandi for Siemens.(Note GE does this also) Even if already involved in a business, they will buy a competitor should the have a serious lead on them.
      Again, I Can’t Rule them out. So I leave a Question Mark.

      I can say 1 thing. I Hope it Isn’t G.E.. G.E. has never found or produced a Product that they couldn’t/wouldn’t Double it’s price. And that’s not good for the consumer… GE has become a bloated bureaucratic mess & was nearly as bad off as General Motors. Many investors in 09 were of the opinion that it wouldn’t survive. Lucky for them, it was helped by backdoor bailouts by way of additional U.S. Government contracts throne it’s way…

      • bachcole

        1/2 million square feet is 707 feet on a side or 214 meters on a side, more than 2 American football fields on a side. I’d say that that was huge.

    • US_Citizen71

      The there is Google’s unofficial motto “Don’t Be Evil”

  • bachcole

    Frank the admin,

    I think that it would be fun if we bet one little thin dollar on who the partner is, sort of like a survey. If no one wins, then the money goes to perhaps MFMP. Everyone gets one and only one guess. The guesses would be listed as a separate post. You don’t get listed and therefore don’t bet and can’t win if you don’t send Frank the dollar. We could even make it a $2 buy-in but $1 automatically goes to Frank to help him with this website that we all love so much.)

    If I were a gambling man, which I am not, I wouldn’t be limiting the buy-in to one dollar.

    • ecatworld

      Thanks for the suggestion, Roger — but it sounds like a bit of a gamble to me.

  • Barry

    Merry Christmas (or) Happy Holidays everybody. Maybe 2014 will be the year, Barry

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAm0mNSMVAE&feature=youtu.be

  • BroKeeper

    OK, I propose a loaded question. Would it be unethical to call a specific company asking to speak with Andrea Rossi and the operator made the connection? Is it his, the partner’s or mutual wishes to keep silent about the relationship? If it is Rossi’s obligation to abide by his partner’s wishes to keep it secret, then are we obligated not to uncover it? Would Rossi really be disappointed if it were released by an outside
    party?

    What do we benefit from the partner’s secrecy? In fact what really benefits the partner? What real harm would it do to expose it? Would the news media care at this point or will there be an inundation of inquiry calls to the company?

    I ask this because I struggled with these questions last September when I called and asked DEKA’s operator if Andrea Rossi was available. She paused to look up his name then she responded
    “Whom may I say is calling?” Realizing the implication speaking with him may have negative impact on both parties – I dismissed the request and hung up even though the possibility of another Andrea
    Rossi existed in the small town of Manchester, NH.

    It would be interesting to know from the collective wisdom of the readers their thoughts, right or wrong, about exposing Rossi’s partnership.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

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      • BroKeeper

        Interesting: 555 Canal St is the Wall Street Tower Luxary Apartments nearly across the Street from DEKA headquarters 340 Commercial Dr – a short Segway drive away.

    • bachcole

      Such an act would be selfish and everything else is rationalizations. It comes down to love, the highest morality. If you care about the industrial version of the probable savior of your grandchildren’s lives or at least the quality of their lives, then you don’t go sneaking around intruding into his life in ways that he would experience as being hurtful.

      • Buck

        I think you addressed BK’s questions well.

        • bachcole

          I guarantee that he is our grandchildren’s “friend”.

      • BroKeeper

        I really appreciate your response Roger. Love is unquestionably the end game and all its aspects. I’m still learning much what love is. Thanks!

    • Buck

      Bro,

      Why haven’t the antagonists of LENR not gone public with the name of Rossi’s partner? Certainly, some have the money and contacts to quickly determine the answer. So, why have they chosen to be silent?

      • BroKeeper

        Good point. (???)

      • ecatworld

        Maybe they don’t know — or simply don’t take him seriously. There are plenty of Rossi’s antagonists who think he is a liar or crazy.

        • Buck

          Frank,

          IMO there are some who take LENR very seriously. While we don’t know who they are, many recognized the importance of Forbes’ publication of the 3rd Party Tests and Elforsk’s funding of the tests. Forbes cut Mark Gibbs for a reason.

        • Fortyniner

          Although if a normal individual genuinely thinks that Rossi has nothing, he or she might be unlikely to bother finding out any more about him and his dealings (that still leaves the likes of ‘maryyugo’ I suppose).

      • US_Citizen71

        I would say the likely reason is it would give credibility to Rossi, which goes against their hopes and dreams. The other reason is that it could be a large enough company that the push back could possibly ruin or make life very difficult for those making the announcement. Litigation is a great weapon, it can cost your foe money, political capital and public trust. Your lawsuit doesn’t even have to be based in reality to cost your foe, you just need the money to pay the lawyers for the fight.

        • Buck

          USC,

          I agree with your line of speculation. If the Partner was a quack, then it seemingly would be in the interests of the antagonists to feed the information and proof to someone like Mary Yugo. To date, this has not occurred.

          This points towards a strong argument for hope.

      • bachcole

        My guess is that skeptopaths don’t have the money since they are all unemployed because no one wants to work with them because they are so lacking in the human element and so lacking in social skills. Also, they don’t have the energy because when they are not debunking something or other they are busy wanking while on porno sites. The real scientists who disbelieve actually have jobs and don’t have time and don’t care because they really don’t believe.

  • humblemechanic

    It could be the Keshe Foundation

  • roseland67

    “Rossi is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma (WC: 1939)
    We will all probably have to Google his “partner” whenever it is revealed as none of us will
    be familiar with the company.
    I suspect it will be some unusual concoction of bankers lawyers and accountants
    with a few engineers and technicians and by Dec. 2014, we still won’t know for sure.
    Pin it and bust me if I’m wrong, personally, hope it’s someone like ABB, Siemens, Toshiba etc.

    • bachcole

      I like this. A consortium of people who get it and have a lot of money.

  • we-cat

    Lame excuses.

    The barges are owned by a company with the name “By and Large”. The company name is used in a kids movie. In the movie this company rules the world. “By Andrea and GL” is an anagram of “By and Large”.

    Google buys Robotics companies like there is no tomorrow. In my opinion a smart move if one counts on free energy.

    Frank, your work is highly appreciated. All the best for twenty fourteen.

    JF

    • ecatworld

      Thanks very much, JF. I hope it’s a good year for all of us!

    • SiriusMan

      I also strongly suspect Google/KPCB. Some further evidence for me:

      - Al Gore is on the KPCB board. He has both mentioned CF and also recommended everyone should divest from fossil fuels. Why? What does he think will replace them?

      - The Google -owned Zee Aero flying electric vehicle cannot possibly work unless they have some new type of power source.

      - As pointed out above, LENR is a great fit for robotics. Li-Ion cannot supply enough juice for a powerful, mobile robot. That is why the Boston Dynamics Big Dog had an internal combustion engine. Also, this strategy may delay any head-on collision with powerful fossil fuel industry interests.

      - Google bought Motorola some time back. I’m not so sure about the timing of the acquisition but maybe even then they had plans to use their factories to build LENR devices.

      - The Google barges.

      Merry Christmas everyone.

      • Omega Z

        There’s a story about the divesting in fossil fuels. Has to do with the Cap & Trade. However, He, Himself is not divesting in them…

  • Udi

    Most likely is not Chief Scientist of the parent company, just of the company created for the purpose of developing LENR, which is probably owned solely by the multinational company (perhaps Rossi is left with 10% to give him extra incentive).

    Google for example owns or is a majority shareholder in several companies which are separate entities.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      Google share prices are on a roll.

  • we-cat

    All,

    I think it is Google. Here is why;

    Astro Teller keeps telling the public that a very big invention will be presented shortly;

    Google ran, months after the news came out, the story of the third party report. It seemed a test run.

    The Google barges are the ideal place to convince the public about the E-cat. Lining them up came with high security, secrecy and

    • bachcole

      I cannot confirm those data points:

      (1) Who is Astro Teller?

      (2) I have been doing Google News forever and Google Alerts (last 3 months or less). I didn’t see the May 2013 Levi et. al. report. There may have been articles about said report. But I certainly did not feel that Google was doing it a lot.
      (3) One data point a pattern does not make.

      • Veblin
        • bachcole

          Thank you. Now we-cat’s pattern is beginning to make some sense.

        • Iggy Dalrymple

          Hey, He (Astro Teller) is the grandson of Dr StrangeLove.

    • Udi

      According to what I’ve read online, the barges are for displaying/promoting new gadgets, such as the Google Glass.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      Google share prices are on a roll.

      http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=GOOG

  • georgehants

    Like to wish Admin and all the gang a very good Christmas and a new year that hopefully will justify our keen interest.
    Best.

    • artefact

      Same for you george!

    • ecatworld

      Thanks very much, George — same to you!

    • Fortyniner

      Have a great Christmas and New Year in soggy Hampshire, George!

      And the same (without the sogginess) to admin and everyone else who helps make this such a fun place to come and witter on a bit.

      Peter

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Merry Christmas and Happy New Year everyone, it is going to be a very cold night in Manchester tonight.

  • Daniel Maris

    Multinational companies are normally in fact a family of companies. So it’s quite possible a small company may have been set up by the very large parent company specifically to develop the E Cat, with Rossi as chief scientist.

  • US_Citizen71

    It could be an LLC or equivalent created just for funding and dealing with Rossi and the ECAT. Holdings in a LLC can be hidden fairly easily even for a publicly traded company.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    This is a long shot but Bill Koch got left in his brothers’ dust when he broke away from them. His Oxbow Corp is heavily dependent on coal and the ecat would be a great hedge. Bill Koch lives in Palm Beach.

    https://www.oxbow.com/products_main.html

  • Jonnyb

    Could it be a government body or a University?

  • kasom

    keep in mind that A.R. is an italian. many things came out much smaller than announced before……

  • bitplayer

    “Chief Scientist” is a very good clue, Frank. The only wiggle room I can see there is if it were a division of a larger company. But even in that case, the title suggests a certain amount of autonomy of the division.

    The idea of a publicly traded company needing to announce the hiring of Rossi is interesting. I guess the logic there is that if it were not announced then the company could be sued for not exposing risk (or opportunity).

    • Omega Z

      If it’s all under R&D, Nothing would need to be disclosed as long as it stays within Annual R&D budgets. Publicly or to stock holders.
      When it’s about to go beyond R&D And it’s a public owned company, then certain disclosures are required by law. This is to protect investors/stock holders.
      As far as Chief Scientist, That would be limited only to E-cat R&D & would pertain to nothing else.

      • Udi

        Public corporations are only obliged to disclose their investments if they are “significant”.
        For example, Apple does not report the amount they spent on purchasing another company, even if it’s in the 100s of millions of dollars, as it is not “significant” compared to their overall profits.

        So if a company with an annual revenue of $10 Billion invests 20 or 30 million in a small venture, they are not obliged to disclose it in their reports. If the investment would go up to 200 million, it will find it’s way to their reports.

        • Fortyniner

          Even so, still plenty of room to use technical obfuscation, boring language and half truths to hide the potential significance of the project in plain sight.

  • Laszlo

    A company held by Elan Musk.

    • Daniel Maris

      Or even his brother Elon! :)

  • Gedas

    Who are partner ?
    Ok , my bet on Watsco Inc :) They have main office in Florida , they are quite big company in heating industry and they have Enterprise :)

  • bachcole

    Perhaps Rossi’s use of the word “partner” is a clue. Partners usually mean equals. If Rossi is cozy with the CEO, he might use the word “partner”. I would not think of myself as a partner with a company with 300,000 employees.

  • Nigel s

    I smell RIcherd Branson

    • Omega Z

      As a friend, you should tell him his deodorant has quit working.
      Or maybe he should cut back on Veggies.
      That or your standing way to close. :)

  • JDM

    Probably a privately held company, but one with fairly deep pockets. AR has made comment on a new manufacturing facility being built, he called it “magnificent” as I recall. I’m sure we would all like the opportunity to buy stock in the partner if a public one. Could a large public corporation create a new create a new small company to accommodate a research team without public disclosure?