Andrea Rossi Comments on Cyclone Engine

In light of the recent news that Dr. Yeoung E. Kim will be advising Cyclone Power Technologies about LENR, the question has been brought up again on the Journal of Nuclear Physics. Andrea Rossi just posted about the matter.

Malcom Lear:
We did not receive an offer for an industrialized product, yet. If we will receive an offer for a product ready for the market, which means with acceptable price/kW, we will buy one item and test it. We have received offers for similar issues, but they were prototypes with unacceptable prices, upon which more research and development was necessary. We are not interested to be involved in this R&D, so far, because we are focused on our E-Cats, therefore we will apply to our E-Cats the existing well consolidated technologies. If new technologies will arrive in the marked, well tested, certified, consolidated and competitive with the existing $/kW prices, we will be delighted to buy units and test them in our laboratories.
Warm Regards,

I have done a little research into the Cyclone Engine, and found that as yet, the company has not yet put any of its engines into industrial production for sale in the marketplace. A recent press release from Cyclone Power Technologies reports on its recent developments saying, “We’re moving ahead steadily with our development partners at Ohio State University, and aiming to complete initial durability testing by the end of this year in order to shift into limited scale manufacturing mode soon thereafter.” So it looks like it will be a while before Rossi will be able to do any testing with this engine.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Asterix……very good, did not realized the ages of their officers, could explain their reaction to me when I told them about Rossi two years ago, they laughed.

    • Buck

      BK, Apparently they listened.

  • Adam Lepczak

    In my opinion it is a great development. They -Cyclone Power seem to answer questions on Facebook promptly. As far as I can see, it is the first “engine” company that is specifically looking at the LENR tech and it’s possible applications. hat signals great open mindness and curiosity. Positive signs indeed. Things are looking up!

  • Gerrit

    The 2014 CF/LANR Colloquium at MIT
    for the 25 anniversary of the announcement, March 21-23, 2014 in Cambridge, MA.

  • Gerrit

    the multitude of misconceptions that were planted into what normal people believe about cold fusion is shocking. There is valid evidence that unmasks nearly all these misconception, but still people prefer to stick to their beliefs, because they feel that everybody else does so too.

    • bachcole

      The light laughter in a crowd like the audience of a late night comics television show is the cement that holds these untruths together.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Cyclone…… I see a lot of tax selling in this stock, might be the right time to get in. I think it has become an interesting LENR play. Warning….this is a highly speculative stock, don’t buy it because of low price, it has 231 Million shares outstanding. Could be a buy out candidate.

  • Gerrit

    OT: do you know why the DoE told in 1989 that cold fusion is not valid ?

    Dr. Seaborg: “I was called to Washington on April 14, 1989, to brief George Bush on cold fusion. I don’t know whether you know what cold fusion is, but it was the idea that you could fuse nuclei very easily and get a lot of energy just by passing electric current through heavy water, whereas, of course, physicists had built huge machines and worked for decades trying to do this, spending billions of dollars. The chemists thought they’d really stolen a march on them. The idea swept the country and I was called to Washington to brief President Bush on it. It was a real dilemma. What should I do? I decided to take my background as a nuclear scientist and really come to the sensible conclusion that this work was not right, that it was really cold. You couldn’t do it. So that’s what I told him at that time. I said, “You can’t just go out and say this is not valid. You’re going to have to create a high-level panel that will study it for six months, and then they’ll come out and tell you it’s not valid,” and that’s what he did.”


    ps. I noticed all the picture on that .gov website are broken links. Soon the whole page will be deleted.

    • very interesting

      note the full document can be read there (to make a pdf backup)

      it is the transript of the course done by Seaborg, who descovered elements like Seaborgium, worked for manhatan projects and advised many US presidents…

    • GreenWin

      Gerrit, Seaborg also helped CF when asked by President Clinton:

      “I did have a chance to meet with him, and he’d also been asked about
      cold fusion, and he said he didn’t know quite what it was about so he
      winged it. I said, “Well, it’s very cold. Next time you’re asked, you
      can take a dim view of it.”
      Thanks Glenn. BTW, Dr. Seaborg did no CF research himself.

  • Bruce M

    I think Vengeance Power is a far better system than Cyclone Power.

  • bachcole

    Does this mean that Cyclone is so desperate that they said yes to LENR+ without looking at it? And if Kim is a consultant, there is no certainty that money has exchanged hands. Cyclone’s being so desperate erodes any up-tick in credibility for LENR+, although I personally actually didn’t need an up-tick in credibility. But obviously some people do.

    • Brian Fast

      Or could it be that Cyclone has a relationship with another LENR player — can anybody say Defkalion?

      • bachcole

        Brian Fast, are you any relation to Bruce Fast?

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    I have been a Cyclone stockholder for more than two years, they are desperate for cash to keep operating. As I see it, the only way their engines will reach production is by selling out to a “partner”. Does that sound familiar?

    • Buck

      BK, what is your take on the contract with Phoenix Power Group for about 6,500 engines over the next 5 years?

      • GreenWin

        Very helpful research Buck. Thanks.

        • Buck

          This is only the positive aspects. For example, assuming that the $2M is from sales of the 300 engines, that implies a price of $6,666.67/engine . . . a very nice sum implying that the commitment for 6,000 engines is worth about $40M over 5 years. And . . . Phoenix has 60,000 sites where this engine could be used.

          But, BK is right about their need for cash. CYPW has multiple convertible debentures that could come back and bite them if sales don’t equal their assumptions. IMO, convertible debentures=death spiral financing.

          • Omega Z

            Projected Profits would be nice to know.
            Revenue doesn’t necessarily equal profit.

            Many upstarts produce revenue for several years then fold due to the lack of actual profit. All determined by whether future sales will cross that barrier.

            • Buck

              OZ, couldn’t agree more.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Buck: Where is the money coming from to do all of this? The 100,000 they are getting from Phoenix for the ten proto engines does not cut it. They need a “partner”. As far as their projection? I project I will win the lottery in 2014.

        • Buck

          Thank you for the clarification of your perspective

          Going from zero engines produced to a projected breakeven point is a lot
          of assumptions strung together . . . time will tell if the Ohio State
          engine redesign leads to dramatically lowered production costs, whether
          Phoenix will follow through on the purchase of 6,000 engines, and
          whether B&W and Clean Carbon follow through on the purchase of

          Most importantly, does the engine in fact dramatically change the economics for Phoenix’s waste oil disposal system, leading a potential partner/buyer to say yes to funding the company to the CF breakeven point

    • Asterix

      I suspect that Dr. Kim may have been taken on to give a “kick” to the stock. After all, Cyclone stock is about half of what it was selling for at the beginning of the year–and this in a really bullish market.

      I think that their work for the US Army was completed and that right now, they’re hoping that the contract with OSU CAR comes through with more cash. But again–note that OSU CAR doesn’t make anything for sale.

      Anything that Cyclone does in the area of LENR/CF will yield dividends, if any, pretty far in the future. Cyclone’s best bet is to be purchased by a larger, better-funded outfit.

      At least that’s the way I see it after reading everything that I could find on them. EDGAR is quite useful in this respect.

      • Buck

        On what basis do you ignore the following which are scheduled for 1-2Q 2014.

        1. 1st delivery to Phoenix Power Group in support of contract for 6,000 engines over the next 5 years.
        2. LOI’s with B&W Contractors and Clean Carbon (along with Phoenix Power Group) for purchase a portion of the first 300 engines produced
        3. Completion of the Army contract for auxiliary power units.

        • Asterix

          A very fair question.

          I’m not ignoring the facts, but rather looking at the prospect of Cyclone being able to fulfill any of the above. Given their current state and cash flow, they’d have to float a considerable amount of stock to accomplish any of the projected deliveries. The engagement of Dr. Kim’s services may be the reason behind this–that his association may bring speculation and a higher issue price.

          There’s a long, long distance between a LOI and delivery and payment. In particular, Phoenix is an unknown, since it’s privately held and financials are readily available.

          What I can’t determine is if Cyclone has delivered any engines at all. An established, marketed, sold and economical product would improve their prospects significantly.

          Currently, however, the market doesn’t seem to have a lot of confidence in them.

          • Buck

            Thank you for the clarification on your thoughts.

            Going from zero engines produced to a projected breakeven point is a lot of assumptions strung together . . . time will tell if the Ohio State engine redesign leads to dramatically lowered production costs, whether Phoenix will follow through on the purchase of 6,000 engines, and whether B&W and Clean Carbon follow through on the purchase of engines.