MFMP Report Detection of Unusual Gamma Rays [Updated: Biberian Replicates]

There is a new blog post on the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project’s quantumheat.org site titled “Gamma” reporting on an interesting development in their experimental work. In the course of one experiment, Mathieu found something interesting as he refilled a leaking cell:

Adjacent to the cells he had placed an unshielded geiger counter that normally registered around 22 counts per minute dropping to 12 and rising to around 30. In September 2013, he noticed that each time he refilled the cells, shortly afterwards, the counts leapt up to around 60-90

Background radiation was reported as being between 12-28 pulses per minute, and with the recharged cell, the count rose to 40+

The team has been able to obtain a NaI (TI) radiation detector which will be much more precise in measuring gamma rays than the geiger counter they have been using so far.

Why do the MFMP see this as such important news? Well, so far they have not been fully confident that excess heat measurements they have seen to this point have been strong enough to provide proof of LENR. They say:

to put it plain and simple – it would mean that we have a incontrovertible demonstration of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR).

Additionally, knowing the energies of any Gamma emissions would help determine the underlying process and help indicate what power can be achieved by singular events and overall potential yield. Lastly, it will help dictate paths for material science, control, stimulation and safe operation that will take the technology forward.

Below is a video of an attempt to reproduce this experiment.

Thanks to the MFMP for their dedication and commitment in carrying out this painstaking work, and reporting their results to the world. I hope we get to hear more on this intriguing development as time goes on. I’ll make sure I report on further news here on E-Cat World.

UPDATE: Bob Greenyer just posted the following comment here regarding an interaction with Jean-Paul Biberian:

Our ‘Gamma’ blog has its first update and it is a BIGGIE.

We have just been phoned by Jean-Paul Biberian, he had been sent yesterday the advance pdf of our ‘Gamma’ blog post by a donor. He was so intrigued by the finding that he put his schedule to one side and immediately attempted a replication.

We are a little excited right now, he independently saw what we saw over the early weeks of the experiment and what we recorded on video last week, in a different calorimeter, in a different lab, with a different H2 gas supplier. The wire was plain joule heated constantan 25 micron. The Gamma detector was the same make as ours which whilst encouraging is not telling the shape of the burst or the spectra – that will come though.

  • Kevmo

    This may be the experiment that flowered. MFMP is hinting at a remarkable result today. http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/02/22/mfmp-the-end-of-the-carbon-age-is-nigh/

  • Doktor Bob

    +1 for New Fire Energy
    Can I ask if someone can explain in a easy to understand way:
    The wire was plain joule heated constantan 25 micron.

    99% + of the worlds population would not understand what this means and why it is significant
    Thanks in advance

    • artefact

      Hey Dok,
      means, the wire had no special treatment exept, that it got heated (red hot) many many times with some watts of electricity.
      ->http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/follow/follow-3/340-homemade-wire-will-it-load

      • Bob Greenyer

        What artefact said.

        • Pekka Janhunen

          Sounds quite significant. Does it mean that all needed hardware is now COTS so in principle anyone could try and replicate your experiment?

          • Doktor Bob

            If I understand correct.
            Is New Fire Energy saying that they found a way to produce gamma rays, a show tell sign of a nuclear reaction without the need for some special ingredient / treatment being kept secret?

            If so, not bad for their first year of their project.

            • Pekka Janhunen

              DB, methinks yes except that they are going to make some further checks and experiments before believing this tentative result.

              • Doktor Bob

                Of Course…
                That is the scientific method
                Over and over again….

                And we want to see other organisations getting the same result

                If possible, I am sure they will allow for that when they have performed the same experiments enough times with different measures equipment in their different labs.
                (I guess US also should have a Geiger Counter)

  • Omega Z

    An Interesting Development.

    Many of us are aware of background movements that hints of awareness of LENR & it’s possible coming to market. Energy stocks shifting, Certain Corporations wholesale dumping solar/wind developments, Longterm Fossil reserves being dumped among many other things. Each in itself means little, But All combined indicates many of TPTB are taking actions in preparation.

    Here is another.

    Grand Canyon mine: Poor market for mine impedes progress, uranium ‘paused’

    http://www.examiner.com/article/grand-canyon-mine-poor-market-for-mine-impedes-progress-uranium-paused

    “Under the new agreement terms, the delay would run through Dec. 2014, or at least until the U.S. District Court for the state of Arizona decides on whether overall uranium work in the mine should be halted permanently.”

    It presents multiple reasons for the delay which usually lays cover for the Real Reason not being disclosed.
    And-(Note the Date: Dec. 2014) is definite unless made permanent prior to that date the way it is worded.

    The Date, Would appear as if They Are, As We Are, Waiting for conclusions of something. For us, it is the on going testing that will run till at least mid 2014. Would it be that, they are waiting for the same.

    Fact: Nuclear plants regardless how we feel will inevitably be part of the Future Energy Mix if LENR doesn’t come thru- And- We pretty well know that if the U.S. Government wanted this project to continue- It Would.

    As I stated in a previous post, I Believe the U.S. Government is likely involved at this very time with Rossi & Partner. And that would likely involve the DOE. Who would also be heavily involved with the development of a Uranium mine. Just more Soft evidence. Something to seriously consider.

    • GreenWin

      US government has a publicly acknowledged adviser Dr. Michael Melich (DOD, US Naval Academy) who sits on the Board of Andrea Rossi’s JNP publication. Dr. Melich has been advising Rossi for at least four years now. Please read the former Chairman of the US Nuclear Regulatory Committee’s statement on fission power:

      http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/energy/nuclear/former-nrc-chairman-says-us-nuclear-industry-is-going-away

      Between the lines this means the entire “nuke village” cabal is also going away.

      • Omega Z

        GW, I’m aware of Melich etc…

        Did you read any of the posts on the site you link..
        Some twisted logic going on.
        NO one has died due to these plants or radiation. WOW.

        These are the same people who connect a death in a coal mine to fossil energy. Yet, someone dying in a Uranium mine is just a simple work related accident.

        OK, It’s so safe according to them that we should volunteer all of them to work the Fukushima clean up. Hey it’s perfectly safe. 🙂

        The Nuclear Energy Boys do a Fantastic Job of Damage control.
        I can see them as My Legal Consul.
        Your Honor, Our Client is totally Innocent.
        He did not run a muck killing all those People.
        He was merrily Target Shooting-
        And these people Ran into the Bullets.
        You can not hold our client responsible for others carelessness & Stupidity.
        We Rest our Case.

        • GreenWin

          A body kicks hardest, when it’s dying. The end of the corrupt nuke Village is like an exorcism – we are cleansing the evil from the corpus. 🙂

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I wonder if a CR-39 detector would pick up anything.

    http://ludkow.info/cf/185about39.html

  • bachcole

    As I type this comment, my very dear mother-in-law is enduring one of the worst storms in the history of the world.

    How can LENR help people worldwide to deal with these storms?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Depends how you feel about your mother in law!

      • bachcole

        She is an uncommonly sweet and dear person.

        • Bob Greenyer

          That is a description of her, not how you feel about her 😉 Regardless, I would refer you to the balance of my former reply.

          • bachcole

            I couldn’t say that about her if I didn’t feel it. You should all be so lucky to have such a sweet mother-in-law.

            For her, the next 12 hours (from 00:00 Zulu time) will be hell.

            • Omega Z

              Roger
              Prayers be with her.

              • bachcole

                I think that she is going to have some standing water. The winds “only” got up to 140 mph, so I am hoping that the windows and roof are still there. I doubt if she will experience flooding.

                The wind speed doesn’t have much to do with the amount of rain, so the rest of country could have some serious flooding. There will of course be lots of deaths.

                Thank you all for your sweet responses and concern.

                • Bob Greenyer

                  I hope she is safe, My partner and son are in the Countryside north of Hanoi, I am really concerned about the reports that the storm may dump its rain on Vietnam in unimaginable volumes.

                • bachcole

                  Seek shelter (for about 12 hours or more) away from creeks and rivers and hillsides. Gentle slopes are good. 195 mph winds is a very strong tornado. This is what they call The Big One.

            • ecatworld

              Hi Roger,

              I just saw the news about this storm — unbelievable. Prayers for your mother in law and those in the path of this storm.

              Best,

              Frank

            • Bob Greenyer

              I really hope the storm passes without incident.

          • Omega Z

            Bob

            We do the same in the U.S.
            Some of us are lucky & have a great mother-in-law. But may still say things in jest.
            As in My Situation, I had a great one. To bad I couldn’t say the same of her Daughter. My Ex.
            I Once told her- “Your My Favorite Mother-In-law.
            She shot back without hesitation, “I Better Be Your Only Mother-In-law.
            HA… She was quick.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      since you do not believe in co2 heating there is simply no help for her

      • bachcole

        I presume that you are being funny.

        Do you mean that there weren’t any typhoons before AGW?

    • bkrharold

      My prayers and best wishes for those in the path of this monstrous storm, including your Mother in law

  • bitplayer

    Does this suggest a commodities play in lead as well as nickel? 🙂

    • Bob Greenyer

      Actually, if the evidence holds up to further investigation, lead is a MUCH better play than nickel. The amounts of nickel in play is practically nothing.

  • mcloki

    What I fail to understand is how with these announcements and the implication of the potential that this doesn’t become the hottest field of research over the next few years. This experiment should be run in any high school in the world. Get the Mechanical Shop guys to build the apparatus. There’s a project to put their skills toward and then let the Science/ Chemistry / Physics classes try and run the experiment and discover anomalous heat output. Hell, if it pumps out enough heat someone will try and build an steam turbine out of it.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I don’t think this announcement will do it, but if we have success over the next months with the NaI etc and further experiments, it might just become a hot research field.

  • Anon2012_2014

    They need to run it with the SAME gas and SAME wire, but with no current to prove the hypothesis that heating causes the excess observed counts.. They also can run it with the SAME gas and NO wire to prove the hypothesis that gas loading into the constantin wire causes the excess observed counts.

    Basically we need to prove the gas was not contaminated with Radon or some similar radioisotope.

    Someone should model the typical radioactive poisson process distribution to see how long one would have to wait with a mean rate of say 18 before they could get a one minute rate of 40. My gut feel says that it is within statistical probability that the mean wait is say 1 day, i.e. their is a probability this is luck that the machine produced 40 unrelated to the gas flowing in the reactor. The math is easy for most stats people — I can do it at some other time, but not now. Just look up Poisson process on wikipedia and you should be able to do the calculation. The objective is to prove the hypothesis that this excess counts effect is caused by the H2 gas with say 99.9% probability (i.e. 3 sigma, good enough for most people). For those with the time to spare, one could collect the counts right off the above video so as to run with more data directly than the 1 minute exponential decay time constant in that portable GM meter.

    Finally, we have no idea if this is gamma, beta, alpha, or neutrons coming out of the experiment, as a secondary collision before it gets to the GM tube could cause the same “count”. The alpha would be stopped by the experiment’s wall and cause a secondary. Betas could get out and travel a little ways in the air and get through the GM tube wall. Who knows, could be mesons or other particles.

    My suspicion is that this is some kind of gas loading effect in the constantin wire which has enough nickel and other alloys to act as an LENR catalyst or reactant.

    Good luck Bob and Jean-Paul.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thankyou for this post, this really does require a large number of experiments. Having said that, if the NaI spectra shows bursts of certain gamma energies, then these may exclude all kinds of other sources.

      • Anon2012_2014

        Agreed Bob. If it is gamma secondaries, we would expect them with a range of energies and no clear peaks. Anyway, you can get something by following the poisson distribution and fitting the data to get the “decay” (particle) rate. I think also that you might find the gammas are associated with loading your constantan wire and they go away once the surface of the wire is loaded, i.e. a peak with loading. Finally, I would try putting your GM tube closer to the experiment. Betas and Xrays can be absorbed in the air and radiation intensity falls off as the inverse square of the distance from the source. You’re like 10 CM away from the wall of the tube. Touch the tube and your gm detector should be 3x more sensitive. See if you can record the time of the clicks on Excel for your analysis. If you post the data in Excel on your website, I will try and help you with analysis (anonymously).

        • Bob Greenyer

          Dear Anon, Thanks for the suggestions. If you have not already, please take a look at the other videos and discussion on the blog.

          I am still recovering from the last week of experimentation and preparing the blog. I will have to hand the baton to other team members for a while as I do my day job of running my unrelated business.

          Mathieu and Ryan are paying attention here, and I will make them aware of your kind offer as I don’t think we have any good statistical skills in our team.

        • Adam Lepczak

          Thank you – Anon2012_2014 for a great feedback and kind interest.

    • bachcole

      Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about. Don’t listen to me. Listen to Anon2012_2014.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      That is an illuminating post. Thanks Anon2014_2014!
      (your contribution would surely be much appreciated at the MFMP site)

  • bachcole

    OK, so I watched it in expanded mode this time, patiently, focused, doing nothing else for 5:45, but I am still underwhelmed. There appears to be an increase in hits, but then they go back down. Very unimpressive, at this point. How many times have I seen some anthropologist holding a chipped stone saying that it is a hand-axe when it looked like any ol’ chipped stone to me. In this case, if the count had stayed up for the duration, that would have been much more interesting. As it is, it looks like any number of things other than gamma ray bursts caused by LENR. Otherwise, why did it go down? And God bless MFMP for showing the parts that do not uphold their hopes/hypothesis.

    • Bob Greenyer

      For us, the fact that it is a burst is in line with Rossi, Celani and DGT findings in order. It is more interesting being a burst as if it was sustained, it could easily be put down to some isotope coming in from the input gas. The readings are per minute average, in 5 days we never saw it going 40+ average except in these tests designed to repeat what Mathieu had seen in earlier weeks when power was lower and when held next to a know source. As a per minute average, the rate going up to 40+ in a short space of time evidenced visually and in burst clicks indicate a much higher per second event.

      We are still very cautious and did not publish any notion of these findings for a month. We are of course happy that a 3rd party has replicated so soon with results in line with Mathieu’s earlier experiments. What we must now do is the painstaking exclusion experiments and finer resolution and spectra study. These will discriminate far more the signal from the noise.

      • bachcole

        Bob, bless your heart, but I think that “burst” is a little, tiny bit too strong. “Surge” would also be too strong. Perhaps “blip” might be more appropriate.

        If this blip is constantly repeatable on your set up, that might be interesting. Does this imply that just when the hydrogen is entering the wire LENR takes place, when the hydrogen settles in place the reaction stops. I don’t care much for that. I would prefer that the higher gamma rays keep on going.

        You can test the hydrogen all by itself. If it only “blips” in the set up and not in free air, then that would tell you something.

        • Bob Greenyer

          The Nal will be far more sensitive and discriminatory. The “blip” was repeatable over several gas recharges in the early part of the experiment to a higher level than seen in this recorded test.

          As suggested in the blog, we would like to test with H2, enhanced Deuterium, Helium, super cooled and heated to same temperature as cell average. This will be an effort to separate gas type, temperature and pressure.

          We have guarded commentary because of the extraordinary implications. We are just following the evidence. We welcome anyones suggestions for experiments.

  • Private Citizen

    Seems a simple 2 second test would be to interpose a sheet of metal between the tube and the detector to see if it blocked any of the gamma.

    Haven’t read all the comments yet, apologies if this was suggested.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Good plan – except it will need to be steel covered 5cm thick sheet of lead.

      • Private Citizen

        Depends on the energy of the gamma, no? Doesn’t Rossi say his device shields low level gamma as is?

  • Bob Greenyer

    Our ‘Gamma’ blog has its first update and it is a BIGGIE.

    We have just been phoned by Jean-Paul Biberian, he had been sent yesterday the advance pdf of our ‘Gamma’ blog post by a donor. He was so intrigued by the finding that he put his schedule to one side and immediately attempted a replication.

    We are a little excited right now, he independently saw over the early weeks of the experiment and what we recorded on video last week, in a different calorimeter, in a different lab, with a different H2 gas supplier. The wire was plain joule heated constantan 25 micron. The Gamma detector was the same make as ours which whilst encouraging is not telling the shape of the burst or the spectra – that will come though.

    • ecatworld

      Thanks, Bob. I will add this comment as an update to the post above.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Hi Admin,

        I updated the comment as in my enthusiasm I wrote something that did not make sense (more than usual!). Please can you update the text.

        Thanks

        • ecatworld

          Ok, done — it makes much more sense now!

    • Adam Lepczak

      So we have an independent replication of your results – gamma wise! The replication was done very quickly and by an expert! I have one followup question: Your source of constantan wire is Prof. Celani. So do you think that Prof. Biberian prepares the wire himself?

      • artefact

        “So do you think that Prof. Biberian prepares the wire himself?”
        Even better (From the Blog at MFMP:)
        “The wire was not produced by Celani, it was only simply treated by joule
        heating cycles by Mathieu. Wire used was 25µm constantan wire. We can
        later provide the script programmed on an arduino that performed this
        task.”

      • Bob Greenyer

        Mathieu discovered this over a period of weeks in the early part of the EU dual differential experiment. Verified after reflection on prior art in this field and after deep consultation in my presence last week, that being the video showing a less significant event. The EU active cell was running 200 micron Celani made wire.

        JPBs experiment used 25 micron constantan wire prepared by a joule heating method devised by Mathieu. We had no idea JPB was going to perform the test in his lab.

        As ever, much more work needs to be done.

      • US_Citizen71

        His catalyst could be the RF energy or maybe even something to start ionization of Hydrogen like an Americium button from a smoke detector. We won’t hear what the catalyst is until he is a billionaire, has an airtight patent or someone does a tear down of a commercially purchased ECat.

    • bitplayer

      Links to “who is Jean-Paul Biberian”..

      https://www.google.com/search?q=Jean-Paul+Biberian&oq=Jean-Paul+Biberian&aqs=chrome..69i57&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

      http://www.jeanpaulbiberian.net

  • US_Citizen71

    This is good news, because without any gamma it would be easy to conclude that whatever reaction they were observing was chemical vs nuclear in origin. The lack of gamma detection has had me on the fence concerning Celani’s experiments. If this bit of news is true and can be reproduced by anyone then they have found the smoking gun proving their reaction to be nuclear in origin.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Could the gamma rays be due to the beta decay of cobalt-61?

    Ni(64) + H(1) > He(4) + Co(61) 0.663 MeV

    Co(61) > Ni(61) + e- + 67.4 KeV gamma ray (half life 1.65 hours)

    • Bob Greenyer

      No idea, we shall know more if the NaI produces meaningful spectra.

  • maozhijie

    The problem of Rossi’s E-cat is the smooth running without any out power. I have check the report by Dr. Lizhongxin in Qinghua University, he point out this problem which also is what I am concerned so much.

    • US_Citizen71

      Not really a problem, if the reaction is producing unstable isotopes of Cu or Zn, depending on if mono-atomic or diatomic hydrogen is being fused with the nickel, then you would have energetic positron emissions through Beta Plus decay. The emitted positrons could be forming more unstable Cu isotopes and continuing the reaction.

  • Omega Z

    Rossi has said Gamma detection only slightly above background levels “OUTSIDE” the stainless steel core. He has never said it didn’t produce Gamma. In fact, If I recall correctly Way early on, Rossi had mentioned Gamma production which
    was absorbed & converted to heat by the stainless steel core.

    IF MFMP is detecting Gamma, I consider this a good sign that they are on the right track. The LENR phenomenon is at work.

    Rossi also says the LT-Cat requires an Hour to shut/cool down before the core can be tampered with or opened by which time it is safe other then the Nickle powder. And a melt down or loss of hydrogen brings everything to an immediate stop.

    This indicates any radiation produced has a short half life. He has mention several even numbered Isotopes, but his main focus has been NI62. Not an expert here, but have read something to the effect that Radiation associated with NI62 has a half life of about 10 minutes.

    Note: Even the Low temp E-cat has a stainless steel core inside a copper shell. Coolant fluid passes between the copper shell & the inner stainless steel core. I add this because many posts over the past have indicated that some here are of the opinion that the LT-Cat is made only of copper.

  • Gordon Docherty

    More to the point, with unusually high gamma radiation, the likelihood is that this form of LENR really is more akin to “Cold Fusion” as opposed to what appears to be the other main route – Transmutation – although that difference is more for the theoretical purists than people who want the lights to stay on… In other words, in LENR / Cold Fusion research, we are seeing a combination effect, a ratio of “Ultra Low Momentum Neutron Formation and Transmutation” to more classical Fusion, such as De-De Fusion, where sometimes the first effect is the more pronounced (or virtually the only effect), while sometimes the second is more to the fore. As ever, in other words, the facts speak of complex scenarios, involving energetic stimulation (mainly I/R), compression, hydrogen saturation, electron saturation, and field strengths inside and at the surfaces of metallic-lattice-hydrides (basically, metal crystals containing infused hydrogen), whilst at the same time pointing to the fact that LENR results are not the result of some “measurement artifact”, but rather the result of a combination of factors, and is now, in essence, an engineering problem, not an existential one. So, the time has no come for the scientific community to move on, admit that LENR IS real, and work together with the engineering community to develop reliable LENR systems as quickly as possible – it is noteworthy that the “center of gravity” of the arguments of LENR skeptics has now moved away from “is LENR real?” toward “is LENR controllable?” – that is, away from an existential argument toward a practical, engineering one, one that really is best addressed by many labs doing experimental work on practical design and effect enhancement. For those new to the field, organizations / people involved now include the mystery e-Cat / Hot Cat partner, MFMP, Defkalion, Brillouin Energy, Lattice Energy LLC, Toyota, Mitsubishi, NASA, SPAWAR, the University of Missouri, Uppsala University, Elforsk AB, MIT (well, some of the more enlightened parts of it) and likely many others keeping their work under wraps. I would suggest, therefore, that those labs / organizations / engineering companies sitting on the side lines who still want a role in the 21st century start thinking about how they can exploit LENR – for example (and most obviously) in heating and transportation, from cars right up to (giant?) space planes for solar system colonization (or, of course, we can always give up on “progress” and the remnant of a now depleted humanity return to the caves from whence it came…). As they like to say in those game shows on TV – “The choice is yours”.

    • Omega Z

      Rossi and Focardi Originally thought the transmutation to copper was the source of the heat, But latter restated that this only accounted for a small amount of the excess heat. That this was just a side effect. A side effect that was greatly reduced in latter E-cats.

      With some of the people in the background trying to guide the direction of this phenomena, It’s really hard to tell. Pressure gets applied. Funding threatened.
      Mitsubishi/Toyota stories of this come to mind. The contamination angle.

      Rossi/Focardi seemed to be the wild card at 1st before the side effect angle came up. Is it a side effect or a side effect of outside pressure to conform. Or did Rossi/Focardi change the story to confuse the competition. Eventually we will know. RIGHT?
      I mean, If the Official Version of this process/theory were obfuscated, it could be kept controlled by the few for a very long time.

      Here’s a little Wild Card. If I were a betting person,
      I would bet that aside from Rossi & his Partner doing the R&D, The U.S. Government already has Specialist working along side them. DARPA, NRL, DOE. There are people who’s job it is to be on top of this for the Government. Their Jobs depend on No Technological Surprises. Heads will roll.

    • Christina

      Hi Mr.Docherty,
      Have you looked up http://www.buildtheenterprise.org. It’s a perfect way to use lenr to explore the solar system. “Star Trek” may not have a viable propulsion interstellar propulsion system, but it had a good organizational plan on how to proceed in space–the same as on Earth–not one rocket ship at a time.
      Have a good day and may God bless you.

  • AstralProjectee

    Skeptics is this really a smoking gun? Or at least a good indication that something is definitely going on?

    Thanks.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Not yet. The S/N ratio is rather small, and they need to do a number of consistency checks. Such as: measure the spectrum at difference distances. Is it consistent with the assumption that the source is at the wire surface, taking into account and modelling the attenuation of gammas in materials that exist between the detector and the wire surface.

      • AstralProjectee

        And if they do all that, and they still get gamma rays, then what does that mean?

        • Pekka Janhunen

          They need to show (by eliminating other possibilities e.g. by suitable control runs) that the gammas are real and indeed coming from the wire surface (and not for example some weakly radioactive dust floating in the room or something that was carried in by the hydrogen flow and then settled somewhere inside the tube but far away from the detector). They also need to test and calibrate their instruments with known gamma ray sources. The spectrum is important primarily to check that the energy of the gammas is not unrealistically low, because low energy quanta shouldn’t be able to reach the detector from behind the glass wall of the tube. This my quick take, there are probably many more types of consistency checks that one could and should do.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Pekka is on the money, we will have a LOT of experiments, calibrations and eliminations to explore, that is why we are talking about months of tests following this evidence. The good news is we will move from a per minute average ‘count’ to fractions of a second spectral count.

            We don’t want to touch the current experiment until we can test it with the NaI. The signal may be lower now because of the 70W period, however, it did show signs of the effect.

  • bachcole

    I guess I am just ignorant or something, but I found it to be singularly underwhelming. I was not impressed. Please, someone tell my why I should be impressed. I did NOT hear a big jump in clicking.

  • Buck

    It is best to learn about Consumer Safety issues from within the LENR community before introduction.

    KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK! ! !