LENR Cars Updates Site

There has been a considerable revamp of the web site for the Swiss company LENR Cars. The amount of information is still somewhat sparse, but there are some indications of the direction the company plans to go in.

The site states that there are two methods that the company proposes to power vehicles (first cars, but later ships, planes, trains, etc.):

LENR Cars is currently working on two alterative solutions to convert heat into electricity:image

Free piston Stirling generator
Super critical CO2 microturbine
For our initial prototype, the Stirling generator we are sourcing can produce 1.2kW of electricity (220V, AC) continuously.
More powerful system are planned with a 2kW and 7kW version which will start to suit some transportation applications.

Our super-CO2 microturbine alternative is a cost and weight optimization compared to the Stirling solution.

While there are some images of LENR cells on the site, there isn’t any detail about them, and it appears that the company is still in the early stages of working on finding ways to produce LENR power for their projects.

The only company officer mentioned on the site is CEO Nicolas Chauvin. The company also offers 3D printing and LENR consulting services.

Mr. Chauvin was in attendance at the ICCF-18 conference at the University of Missouri this summer and the presentation he gave there can be seen in the video below.

In the presentation Mr. Chauvin states that the company had a budget of $60,000 for 2013, $200,000 for 2014, and currently 1.5 employees with one trainee and numerous “volunteering partners”. He also says that company is planning to partner with LENR developers such as Rossi, Defkalion and Brillouin to provide core LENR technology.

  • ScandalusMonkey

    For Cars, why convert to electricity? Seems more strait forward to use steam power using a LENR course like a hot Brillouin Boiler combined with a closed loop steam engine. Cyclonepower,com has some interesting designs.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      LENR is so powerful and cheap losses would still make it far cheaper and clean fuel supply. One Gram of Nickel equals five barrels of oil.

      Secondly a viable steam engine car for todays roads would need to be researched and designed for at least several years.

      I could take it a step further and say even hydrogen converters could be fitted to most of todays vehicles and would still be much cheaper than gas if we powered electrolysis with LENR inside the vehicle.

      Cyclonepower has a photoshopped picture of a car with their engine, but I do not think it has run small vehicles, and most certainly has real fire as its heat source. Even adaptation could take several years.

      Tomorrow someone could take a few Rossi ecats (if works as claimed) and build a power unit inside a trailer that would
      – Run LENR,
      – Create electricity from a steam engine.
      – Run car from electricity or convert electricity into hydrogen for a gas engine.

      Steam may come back to us, but it will not be tomorrow.

  • georgehants

    While NASA and others waste everybody’s time and money chasing asteroids and sending toy’s to Mars etc. they could be solving this problem.
    They may even feel better having achieved something worthwhile.
    ———
    Making clean drinking water universally available is ‘achievable’
    http://phys.org/news/2013-10-universally.html

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      +1

    • friendlyprogrammer

      NASA is working on LENR. Its in their budget. J Zawodny Videos. Dennis Bushnell LENR searces.

  • Omega Z
    • Fortyniner

      Japan Times: “In November, Tepco plans to begin the delicate operation of removing spent fuel from Reactor No. 4 [with] radiation equivalent to 14,000 times the amount released by the Hiroshima atomic bomb. …. It remains vulnerable to any further shocks, and is also at risk from ground liquefaction. Removing its spent fuel, which contains deadly plutonium, is an urgent task…. The consequences could be far more severe than any nuclear accident the world has ever seen. If a fuel rod is dropped, breaks or becomes entangled while being removed, possible worst case scenarios include a big explosion, a meltdown in the pool, or a large fire. Any of these situations could lead to massive releases of deadly radionuclides into the atmosphere…”

      • Omega Z

        First, they must figure out where they are. According to some reports, Their not certain.

  • Omega Z

    In the beginning, Nicolas says their getting into this to early. I Agree.

    LENR Charged Electrics are a long way off. LENR Powered cars, Even farther.
    Until the Issue of On/Off time periods are addressed, They aren’t going to be practical.
    Over 1 Billion vehicles & maybe double that overtime, running 24/7 putting out 50K to 100K Btu’s per hour just isn’t practical. Imagine Heat Island effect in Overdrive Steroids & this doesn’t include home systems which will eclipse this 4 fold.

    People will be moving out of places like, New York, Beijing, London, Moscow, Etc, in droves. The Heat will be unbearable 8 months out of the year.
    LENR is a Great Change for society, but common sense will be needed to in it’s use.

    • US_Citizen71

      It is a matter of what you do with the waste heat. Efficiency is the key. Use the waste heat to heat water for showers. Use TEGs to get a few watts and change heat into electricity. Have your main sewer drain flow past a heat exchanger to dump the heat into the sewer/underground anytime water drains. I’m sure many more uses will be thought of and dealing with the disposal of heat waste is a far better problem to solve then chemical pollution.

      • Omega Z

        Dumping the excess heat down the sewer still places the heat at/near the source.
        It’s also a waste of water another valuable resource. It will have to be done by geothermal means(Expensive) or direct air exchange like a central air unit of which still leaves the Island effect.

        Note that a Utility Company can supply a city with a 100Mw power, but when transferred to individual home systems(CHP) would require 3 to 4 times as much capacity. That’s because you have to cover your own Peek Demand periods where the Utility only has to meet shared Peek Demand of the whole. They can also kick in or out additional generators in seconds keeping the load balanced within a set plus/minus range.

        A Local Utility could even use LENR for it’s purposes with a little extra & still have a couple generators available within seconds should that need arise.
        E-cats in the home can not do this unless there powered all the time 24/7 & this is where the problem arises. You may need 30Kwh to 50Kwh system for the peeks when 80 percent of the time you only require 1 or 2Kwh. This produces a huge waste of energy & far more hot water then 1 could ever use & a lot of excess heat to disperse.

        You can’t even switch this out with a CHP system unless it runs continuous full out.
        Most Existing CHP systems use N-Gas & can be efficient because they can ramp up & down in seconds. LENR can’t, at least according to what we know at this time.

        Like I said, Until the on/off delay periods are overcome, More specifically, the start up time, This technology will be limited for personal home systems. Until then it will be relegated to Small Local Micro grids & supplemental heating.

        Your right, Efficiency is the Key, but the technology isn’t there yet.

        • US_Citizen71

          What I was referring to by dumping heat into the sewer is adding a 6 to 9 meter long linear heat exchanger to dump heat into the brown and grey water you dump everyday; you know showers, flushing toilets, sinks, clothes and dish washers. It would also act as a reverse geothermal heat pump when no water is flowing through it. You do not have to have an all encompassing answer of what to do with the heat. Any use for it or means of disposing of it without heating outside air helps to solve the heat island problem.

          As for using LENR for power once again you do not need an all encompassing answer in one unit. A 10 kw unit could provide your non-peak power, heat/cool your home, heat your water, melt your driveway, charge batteries(lead sulfide batteries would be perfect) to help with peak demands and go back into the grid to help with their peak demands. You have already hit the key factor on the head, centralized power wastes and release 3 to 4 times energy and heat respectively as generating power locally. As long as you reduce the total amount of heat generated (coal,oil and natural gas produce much heat when burned) you are ahead. Small CH4 powered generators could be located at current substations to pick up the rest of the needed demand. PV panels and small wind turbines can add to the overall efficiency. There does not need to be nor should there be any one single answer to our energy needs.

          • Omega Z

            I’m Sorry. I apparently did a poor job of explaining.

            My point was that “We” would waste 3 to 4 times the energy. Not the Utilities.
            They can power up or down additional generators in seconds.
            Their only waste is in transmitting the power over long distances as in hundreds of miles. A Local power system wouldn’t suffer this loss. They would also be able to start up E-cats on a schedule as needed for expected peaks thus not having all of them running 24/7. The more people, the easier to accomplish this.
            Hopefully, Future versions of LENR technology will mitigate most of this.
            Regardless, Batteries will be a given necessity. I’ve always said this.

            Wind & Solar suffers it’s own problems(Eradic). That’s why they want to build a smart grid where they can at WILL turn off & on your appliances. This is for load balance. Problem is if you produce Electricity, you have to use it or damage it causes damage. The fact they take this route is a testament to how problematic Wind & Solar are. They can’t control it at their end. Punting the problem to the user end with the smart grid. Even with the smart grid, It may still be limited to only 20% of the Energy market. Computers will never be fast enough to cure the problem.
            LENR on the other hand aside from it’s on/off delays, it would be perfect for base load. Night, Day, Wind, No Wind, it will produce power at a stable level & the Generators can be cycled just as they are now with fossil energy. 110 volts- Plus or minus 10 variance.

            As far as feeding Energy back to the Grid, Not as simple as it seems. It requires 1000’s of dollars of special hardware totally separate from your existing incoming meter & lines. And They Don’t have to accept it. In this case you best have a way to instantly disengage your generating system or it will Fry it.

            I’m Not saying this can’t be done. The Technology is there. It’s just very expensive & the Name of the Game is Cheaper. Not more Expensive. Otherwise no one will do it if they can help it.

  • Omega Z

    To those posting of heated Roads, Etc…
    Not going to happen. There would be no steel left to build E-cats nor money left to buy them.
    Heated Bridges you will see. Bridges freeze quickly due to exposure, top/bottom. This results in black ice while the highway may still be ice free. An Accident waiting to happen because people don’t expect it. Salting bridges drastically shorten their life-cycle as it seeps into the concrete causing it to crumble & corrodes the steel. Heated bridges is already under serious consideration. The cost of extending their life-cycle 2 to 3 times over is cheap. LENR will be a no brainier.

    Sidewalks, Driveways, Not Economical verses salt.
    However, I find this a strong possibility. Even Likely when new driveways & sidewalks are constructed. They will have hollows built into them just as reinforced concrete slabs do in bridge construction. They will have a warm airflow pass threw them.
    I Assume it will be airflow. Electric, even by LENR wouldn’t be that efficient & would be problematic. Fluids would have to be enhanced with antifreeze. In large quantities, this can be Toxic should it develop a leak.
    The primary reason for heating Driveways & sidewalks would be the Eco Friendly view. Millions of tons of salt no longer running into the ground & water ways. It’s Toxic to most plants. I use it to prevent thistle from growing back after pulling it up. 1 teaspoon does the job. Kills the roots.

    All the above will be sensor & thermostatically controlled. How they function, Whether that is by minimum temperature or only only for Ice removal when present will depend on materials used & How it’s engineered because Constant heating/cooling may cause stress failure. Regardless, Manual snow removal is in all likelihood still going to be required. The Energy needed even with LENR will be cost prohibitive.

    • US_Citizen71

      For antifreeze you could use propylene glycol it is so non-toxic that it is a food additive and already in use as biodegradable antifreeze. You only need to heat the driveway to a few degrees above freezing so a small LENR reactor is all that would be needed. Even the waste heat from a CHP setup might be enough. At night your house will hit temperature eventually and you won’t be needing to generate much power while sleeping, so your setup could melt out your driveway instead of turning off.

      • Omega Z

        Propylene Glycol is what they use in Geothermal Heat pumps. Safe in small quantities,
        Large quantities can contaminate water supplies. A Major concern for these heat pumps systems. Concerns would be the same for heating pavements & breakage/leakage risks would be substantially higher. In fact, probably inevitable. EPA will never allow it.

        As far as safe in small quantities, I Am well aware & have argued the point many times.. It’s also used in E-cigs & may soon be used in medical facilities in the Air Circulation systems. It has beneficial health effects reducing respiratory infections, Colds, Flu, pneumonia, Etc.. But Large quantities can be detrimental, Toxic.
        Note: You could also use a high salt content solution, but aside from being very corrosive, It to can be toxic to the soil & ground water.

        A 10Kw E-cat produces approximately 34K Btu’s per hour. It requires about 50K Btu’s hour to heat a well insulated 1000 square foot home.
        Depending where you live, You will require several E-cats to keep ice off the sidewalks & Driveways. Melting away snow would require many more. Heat Requirements for this purpose are very likely much more then you realize. There is a formula to calculate this, but there are so many variables that constantly change, It probably would be of little real life use. Best 1 could do is calculate for worst case scenario.

        Regardless, This will be a major Engineering headache. Designing it to be long lasting-Decades & Economical. I would require about 900 sq.ft for drive & sidewalk & this could easily cost $30 dollars a sq,ft, with existing Tech of which would likely develop a break within the 1st 5 years.
        Problem is the ground constantly shifts with every freeze/thaw & rain.

        • US_Citizen71

          I assume you live in an area that doesn’t receive much snow. Heated driveways are already a reality, you can buy supplies for building them at home depot and Walmart. They are some what common in the more well to do areas of Denver Colorado today. Google heated driveways.

          • Omega Z

            You mean where we have to dig out with end-loaders & bulldozers. When the city is totally closed off from road access for 3 days at a time. Or weeks in the country.

            No not to often. Usually 4 to 5 foot a year though on some rare occasions we get that amount in a single day. Cows can leave the pasture because the snow is 2 or 3 feet over the fence.
            I Live in the Midwest. We get all the flavors. 110` in the shade or -60 below & once many decades ago, Snow in July. And Ice storms with ice measured in inches & trees & power lines/poles collapsing from the weight. Drought today & 2 foot of water in the street tomorrow. Tornadoes so regular we just say it’s pretty windy today. LOL.

            Yes, I’m aware of heated pavements. They’ve been around a long time & still controversial. Ice & snow require a lot of energy to melt. Heated pavements also suffer from stress from from heating then cooling. Constantly expanding & contracting & shortens it’s life cycle. They tend to crack, break then separate. I imagine many a do-it yourselfers end up with problems & not make the connection as Usually this happens several years down the road.
            There are newer concretes that may fare better, but they are very expensive like 400% more expensive. And this puts it out of the reach of most people.Note that a traditional Concrete generates a Ton of CO2 per yard if your into that.

            • US_Citizen71

              That’s alot of plant food per yard!

              We freeze thaw like crazy here in Denver anyway so heated systems do not really change lifespan much. If you never allow the slab to freeze by setting the thermostat to say 39 degrees you can prevent the cycling altogether. Great place to dump waste heat. But does need quite a bit of energy. Groundwater pollution is not much of a problem here we have very little due to the closeness of bedrock, so liquid systems are not a big issue.

  • Udi

    Frank Acland:

    You might want to check out the following company, which is developing Metal-Air batteries, that are able to extend the vehicle range 3 fold.

    They already have working prototype (a car that drives around with their technology).
    They also have a strategic partnership with Renault.

    http://www.phinergy.com/

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6kIJlgqezE

    • bachcole

      Very cool. That is 204.7 miles. And I bet that they can improve on that. Who wants to bet?

  • Tester

    test

  • Omega Z

    I’m 1 of the Founders of MFMP???
    At 11:15

  • Miles

    This is BIG BIG News !!!! Looks like Electric Vehicles are the Future – Good Bye Oil Companies !!! Hurray.

    BMW To Electrify Its Entire Lineup
    http://cleantechnica.com/2013/10/01/bmw-electrify-entire-lineup/

    • GreenWin

      It IS big news Miles. And GOOD News as so much of the move to electrification and Distributed Energy Resources is. Interesting timing as well – the nuclear power industry is suffering a terminal contraction in all but the Asian & Indian markets. Solar is establishing the new paradigm of distributed energy made at home or workplace.

      When LENR CHP is commercially introduced, the public mindset will be aware that buying energy from centralized sources is over. Making your own energy is far more secure, less expensive and cleaner. Tesla Model S hUGE success has fired BMW’s imagination. Daimler Benz will be next.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      ” BMW has actually now stated that it intends to make plug-in hybrid electric versions of every single car it builds.”

      Plug-in hybrid = continued oil company fueled internal combustion engines.

      • Miles

        You don’t have to use oil – If you don’t want to. Give people the option and they will always opt for electricity.

        • Iggy Dalrymple

          Yes, but the tow-truck will likely use oil.

  • wapiti22

    very insteresting slideshow in english http://www.lenrproof.com/ in french : http://lenrweb.com/?page_id=110

  • wapiti22

    Is this reactor build by lenrcar working ? http://www.lenr-cars.com/index.php/gallery/lenr-cells

    • Matt

      No, these are pictures from the MFMP Group. I don’t know why they claim they have built this reactor. (And by the way, it. does not yield any excess energy yet)

      • artefact

        Because he is part of MFMP. And his work there included the Mizuno type reactor

  • GreenWin

    ADMIN: Any chance of returning to old format with, nesting, editing and voting??

    • ecatworld

      I’m not sure what happened, but the old format got messed up, so I switched to Disqus for the time being to make things more functional. If you make an account you should be able to nest, edit and vote.

      • bachcole

        And how does one make an account?

        • ecatworld

          When you hit the reply button and the comment box opens you’ll see four icons for login options. D is a disqus account, or you can use your facbook, twitter or google logins. Pick the one you want to register.

          • bachcole

            I see no D for disqus nor facebook, twitter, or google logins. I see only a little box to click for uploading pictures and the “Post as bachcole” button.

            • ecatworld

              Ok — this means you are already logged in. If you have used Disqus system on other sites, it will automatically apply to this site.

              • bachcole

                I think that the problem is that I am only getting responses to my comments, rather than as before when I got all responses. (:->)

                • ecatworld

                  Ok thanks for the feedback. I will see if there’s a way to subscribe to comments for the whole list of comments.

                • ecatworld

                  Ok, figured it out. To subscribe to all comments in a thread via email,
                  you need to be logged into disqus, then go all the way down to the
                  bottom of the page and click on the little envelope icon marked
                  subscribe.

                • bachcole

                  So, is this going to work for all posts from this site, or just this post. I am sure I will find out.

          • US_Citizen71

            This should make for some intresting posting since everyone will have new handles.

      • wapiti22

        I like this one :)

  • hearhear

    CEO of a 1.5 people company. LOL….

    • bachcole

      I wonder if hearhear’s comment is backed up by an agenda. I saw that 1.5 people and figured that they had one 1/2 timer. But the advisory dudes and associates was more impressive.

  • Torbjörn

    Daimler group to spend $500 mln on filling stations for fuel-cell cars

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/30/germany-daimler-fuelcells-fillingstation-idUSL6N0HQ27X20130930

    • Eyedoc

      Can you say Hindenberg ??

  • Bert

    They closed down Nasa…

    • Pekka Janhunen

      US government seems to have global strike capability :-)

  • bejammin075

    If we get LENR cars, I want one that when even the biggest, coldest blizzard comes and my car is parked in the driveway, whatever time I come outside to drive to work, the car already has all the snow and ice melted off, and the interior is toasty warm. Is that too much to ask?

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      Might as well also wish for a LENR heated driveway.

      • US_Citizen71

        Likely to see that sooner than the car. A regular ECat could do that without any problems.

    • astralprojectee

      For that, you I’d as well have LENR heated sidewalks and roads. :)

      • Iris_Wildthyme

        We wouldn’t want heated roads and/or constant excess lighting because it would be very bad for wildlife!

        • Iggy Dalrymple

          Why would heated roads be bad for wildlife?

          • Omega Z

            It would burn their little feets. :(

    • bachcole

      This brings up a problem that I was thinking about before I read your post. What happens to the waste heat when one parks in one’s garage. It should be much more than the waste heat of an internal combustion engine that is turned off. What happens in the summer time.