LENR and Off-Grid Living

Here’s an interesting article titled “How You Can Benefit from a Resilient Community” from the OffTheGridNews.com web site that I hadn’t seen until now (the story was published in July). The site deals with survivalist and self-sufficiency topics such as gardening, alternative energy, hunting, alternative health, etc., and it is the first such site in which I have noticed LENR being mentioned as a possible future source of energy for those who want to live as independently as possible.

The article mentions the Hunt Utilities Group (HUG) in Pine River, Minnesota, who are conducting much of the LENR research that the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project is pursuing. I didn’t realize that a major goal of HUG, which is located on a 70 acre site, is to create a community that can live independent of fossil fuels. From the article:

The Group has also become involved in research into Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR), AKA cold fusion. Don’t laugh; there’s actually a lot of evidence that the phenomenon exists, and some serious scientists, including Nobel Prize winner Brian Josephson, think it’s for real. HUG has been working with a technology developed by Francesco Celani, a distinguished Italian physicist who has built what he claims is a LENR device.

The group is trying to develop a home power source from the technology. It’s still too early to see if this is real or not, but it’s interesting. If HUG, Italian inventor Andrea Rossi (who also claims to have a working LENR device but presents no evidence of it), and others are right, it might someday be possible for you to generate all the power you need with a device about the size of a furnace.

It doesn’t surprise me at all to find those in the off-grid living culture paying attention to LENR. Local energy production is one of the key goals of many people who want to live as independently as possible. Solar and wind energy systems have been the off-grid power sources of choice for many to this point, but LENR may be a more more attractive solution if it can provide power more consistently, reliably and cheaply than these alternatives.

Of course there’s a long way to go before LENR-powered off-grid living may become a reality, but if news of its potential spreads I think there will be a lot more interest from people and organizations with an interest in self-sufficient living.

  • Brad Arnold

    While predictably we will see LENR energy generation to first exist at a commercial level, where the unit is serviced by professionals, and the energy piped through our power distribution network, this will eventually change.

    LENR is very disruptive, and utility companies have a ton of money invested in old infrastructure that will gradually be retired. Eventually, it is easy to see where we have a de-centralized energy “grid,” which would mean a much more stable (and very very cheap) way to power our nation of individuals.

  • Barry

    Have any of you heard of Tumbleweed houses. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPxidewQhuE I’m actually considering one of these. Not sure my wife will go along with it. They are so small that your energy needs can easily be met. The more I looked into it, the more I realized how we are living lives of materialistic abundance that isn’t making us happy. And we are using much more energy than we have to. Perhaps downsizing is the way. While we’re waiting for CF, I think I’m going to start experimenting with solar and perhaps downsizing my mortgage heavy house.

  • Cliff

    How about this for living WAY off the grid?

    Live at the bottom of a lake. Why not? Or the Ocean? Or Antarctica?

    Anywhere that a nuclear powerplant would make living possible will be possible with LENR, but much, much, much, cheaper and much, much, much safer.

    How about living off the grid in a submarine? Now that’s off the grid!!

    • Roger Bird

      Cliff, are you having a problem with feeling that your space is being violated by the presence of other people?

      There is no way that living in a submarine could be much of a life. Ask those that already live in submarines for weeks if not months at a time.

      • Cliff

        Huh? This is about living off the grid. What are you talking about my space being violated by other people for? I was just taking “off the grid” and taking it to the next level, showing what’s possible.

  • Eyedoc

    How can choice #1 even be considered, when the evidence indicates that CF/LENR Patents will NOT be issued to ‘non-Government’ entities or affiliates??

    • Eyedoc

      Sorry, wrong forum….(comment regards the survey results)

  • GreenWin

    “Italian inventor Andrea Rossi (who also claims to have a working LENR device but presents no evidence of it)…”

    While this article is a good one supporting the massive movement offgrid to DERs and microgrids – one must wonder; what kind of journalist (Daniel Jennings) doesn’t bother to check sources?? Is this real journalist ignorance or another case of following orders? It makes NO SENSE.

    But there may be a reason Jennings has refused to acknowledge Rossi’s “evidence.” That would be if it fell under a privilege status. THIS excellent Daniel Jennings story illuminates further:

    American, British Authorities Target Journalists In War On Press And Freedom http://www.offthegridnews.com/2013/08/30/american-british-authorities-target-journalists-in-war-on-press-and-freedom/#

    • Roger Bird

      “Following orders” again. The meanie heads are out to get GreenWin. It couldn’t be that Daniel Jennings didn’t like the new evidence because he has a life that doesn’t revolve around forums devoted to LENR and wanted to spend some time with his family. It had to be a conspiracy.

      • daniel maris

        RB – That’s not an adequate reply. The author being critiqued claims that Rossi presents no evidence of his device – whereas we know it has been validated by a number of serious scientists.

        • AlainCo

          classic Groupthink, collective delusion, paradigm blindness.

          In “La Recherche” a French magazine similar to SciAm, they recently made an article on Cold fusion, and they talk of nothing recent…
          it does not exist…
          http://sco.lt/5FkenZ

          it is not conspiracy, things hidden on closed room.
          It is collective delusion, disinformation.
          data hidden in plain sight, data that cannot be accepted, data that nobody aware do repeat not to be fired like Gibbs or Mills, that people cannot understand, interpret in the current paradigm.

          • Roger Bird

            It can very well be intentional blindness because of cowardice. People are afraid speak differently from the crowd or “what everyone knows to be true”.

      • Jim

        Maybe if a hypothetical commenter A were to focus a significant percentage of his/her comments on the subjective viewpoints, perceived knowledge deficiencies and grammatical usages of other commenters, with the occasional pejorative phrase thrown in, then perhaps the thing that would be most noticeable in the situation
        to the community of commenters in general would be that particular behavior of commenter A.

        • Roger Bird

          Implying that I am a skeptopath. Sorry, nice try but you are mistaken. The reason that I focus on the subjective is that I am subjective in my life and I know that objective behavior comes from the subjective. I struggle with anger issues in my personal life. If I hate XYZ, there is no way that there will be productive harmony between XYZ and me.

          And the reason I talk about grammar occasionally is because I know how important grammar is for people to communicate. Even if they don’t hate each other, bad writing can cause for poor communication.

      • GreenWin

        Roger, at some point you will need to face the facts that no conspiracy is needed for people to be corrupt. Criminals act on their own every day. If you bothered to READ Jennings story, it is apparent that HE may be targeted as have Guardian journalists.

        Rog, tell me in your thinking why does a journalist of Jennings apparent talents, not bother to check the voluminous evidence for Rossi’s E-Cat?? Is he incompetent? Or might he be intimidated for reasons explained in the story I linked: http://www.offthegridnews.com/2013/08/30/american-british-authorities-target-journalists-in-war-on-press-and-freedom/#

        • Roger Bird

          I think that people quickly and easily dismiss, because of fear and anxiety, anything that is not popularly accepted. This is nicely illustrated by the attitude of late night comics and their audiences. And [perhaps a second point] many people prefer to think shallowly. As the great philospher Pamela Andersen said, “I try not to think too deeply about things.” I think that it is necessary to be practiced in deep thinking in order to overcome peer pressure such as is illustrated by the audiences of a late night comics. This kind of peer pressure can be seen in police departments and academic circles. Only practiced deep thinkers need apply to new and unpopular ideas. All others will follow the crowd.

          If we look upon the frequency distribution curve, we see where the crowd is. In the middle. At one end are the people who still think that the world is flat. And at the other end are the people who think, deeply, and consider deeply that LENR may be true and is worth a look-see. I believe that all skeptics are probably deep thinkers. All skeptopaths are driven by anxiety and do not qualify as deep thinkers. Other than any skeptopath here, everyone here is probably a deep thinker, including those who I don’t agree with.

          Given this subtle peer pressure, there is no need for conspiracies. However, that does not mean that there aren’t conspiracies. Monsanto is clearly conspiring. The MIT boys in 1989 were probably conspiring, and used science to guarantee that the shallow thinkers didn’t get out of line.

      • fortyniner

        New studies: ‘Conspiracy theorists’ sane, while government dupes are crazy and hostile:-

        “… it is the pro-conspiracy commenters who are expressing what is now the conventional wisdom, while the anti-conspiracy commenters are becoming a small, beleaguered minority.”

        http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/07/17/new-studies-conspiracy-theorists-sane-while-government-dupes-are-crazy-and-hostile/

        • GreenWin

          At risk of going off-grid on our topic, I will add that the link above has excellent overview of the genesis of the conspiracy theory label.

          “…anti-conspiracy people are unable to think clearly about such apparent state crimes against democracy as 9/11 due to their inability to process information that conflicts with pre-existing belief.” American Behavioral Scientist (2010)

          It is well argued in the four separate studies cited that “believers” of official stories are now vastly outnumbered by “disbelievers.”

          “…anti-conspiracy people are typically prey to strong “confirmation bias” – that is, they seek out information that confirms their pre-existing beliefs, while using irrational mechanisms (such as the “conspiracy theory” label) to avoid conflicting information.”

          I would add that this appears to motivate the Obama Administration’s pursuit of investigative reporters publishing leaks. The Supreme Court ruled in Nixon v. New York Times, 1971 that the public good outweighed the national security claims of the Administration.

          http://consortiumnews.com/2013/07/27/chilling-the-first-amendment/

  • AstralProjectee

    I have personally really thought about living off the grid in a boondocks type area. But one of the main things that prevents this is not having conveniences of cheap and portable energy. If super cheap energy is available then it would definitely make living in rural areas much more appealing. And I am betting that many people will do just that once super cheap energy comes around. And even if it’s not a permanent place for many residents. It would still make it much more appealing for people that want to buy a rural log cabin for instance for summer vacations.

    Peace.

    • Roger Bird

      It will be like the Old West (hopefully without the gunslingers), a rebirth of freedom. And with the population of the world leveling off, it could last for a long time.

      • frank sedei

        +1

  • KD

    From J-O-N-P
    Is Paul Calvo suggesting, Johnson Controls as Rossis US Partner?

    Paul Calvo
    “http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=806&cpage=17” \l “comment-782626”
    Hi Dr Rossi,
    Pentagon Awards Massive $7 billion deal to supply energy “from renewable and alternative energy production facilities that are designed, financed, constructed, operated and maintained by private sector entities.
    Question please: Johnson Controls _ is this the new partner )
    “http://www.pv-tech.org/news/pentagon_awards_us7_billion_of_solar_contracts”
    All the best,
    Paul

    Pentagon awards US$7 billion of solar contracts
    · A solar farm at Fort Hunter Liggett in California. Image: Flickr/USACEHQ
    The US Department of Defense (DoD) has awarded US$7 billion of contracts to 22 companies for the right to develop and sell solar energy to the US Army.
    The winning companies include Gehrlicher US, Siemens and “http://directory.pv-tech.org/companies/sunpower”.
    Once projects are developed it is understood winning companies will bid against eachother to supply solar power with the remainder of the ring-fenced US$7 billion available for purchasing.
    The “multiple-vendor, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity, firm-fixed-price, non-option, non-multi-year contracts” are specifically to be used for solar power.
    The projects will be developed on land owned or under the jurisdiction of the DoD.
    According to a “http://www.defense.gov/contracts/contract.aspx?contractid=5121” on the DoD website, 114 bids were received for the original tender.
    The 22 firms selected are:
    Acciona Energy North America Corp
    Apex Wind Energy Holdings
    Borrego Solar
    Cobra Industrial Services
    Dominion Energy
    Element Power US
    Emerald Infrastructure
    Enel Green Power North America
    Energy Matters
    Gehrlicher Solar America Corporation
    Johnson Controls Government Systems
    Lend Lease
    LTC Federal
    New Generation Power
    NRG Energy
    Photon Finance
    Siemens Government Technologies
    Silverado Power
    Solar Power Ventures
    Standard Solar
    “http://directory.pv-tech.org/companies/sunpower” Corporation

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      NRG is a better fit than Johnson Controls.

      • GreenWin

        NRG Energy, with $8.6B in traditional power plant assets, has been vociferous in its prediction of grid irrelevance. Its CEO David Crane advocates Distributed Energy Resource-driven microgrids – mostly solar near term, establishing the infrastructure needed for the NewFire revolution.

      • Omega Z

        Iggy Dalrymple

        This isn’t about better fit.

        114 bids were received for the original tender
        “The 22 firms selected are:”

        Done deal-

        • Iggy Dalrymple

          Case closed. Move on.

        • Iggy Dalrymple

          “Is Paul Calvo suggesting, Johnson Controls as Rossis US Partner?

          If it’s a ‘done deal’, why the question mark?

          • Omega Z

            Iggy Dalrymple

            This is just a list of companies that may get Government contracts.

            “Is Paul Calvo suggesting, Johnson Controls as Rossis US Partner?”

            Paul is asking Rossi if Johnson Controls is Rossi’s partner. No Response from Rossi.

            Paul is just taking shots in the dark.

  • Warthog

    How about MOBILE “off grid” living? LENR powered motor home….the ultimate in “boondocking”.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Mike Strizki & the Hydrogen Home. Not LENR but still interesting.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FI1bWkFUco

    • Roger Bird

      I notice that there was no mention of how much it costs. I guess the news is not very sexy when listeners are having heart attacks over the cost. The whole thing is a big expensive piece of advertisement for this dude who sells these energy systems to other people. For him, including the boost to his business, it is almost certainly the money maker. For me, the break-even point would be somewhere in the next millenium.