No Defkalion Involvement at NIWeek — ICCF Slides Available

I know there has been some discussion about whether Defkalion will be participating at NIWeek this month in Austin, Texas. I have learned from a source who is in contact with the company that they will not be involved there this year, a fact which is borne out by their absence from the official program of events.

I’ve been told that Dennis Cravens will be doing an LENR demonstration at NIWeek, but can’t find a reference to that demo in the program.

Last year there was a keynote address by Robert Duncan of the University of Missouri on the ‘anomalous heat effect’, and a demonstration by Francesco Celani of his LENR reactor and this year NI was a sponsor of the ICCF-18 conference in Columbia, Missouri; and their CEO, James Truchard, was a keynote speaker there and explained NI’s philosophy is that they are “to measure, not to judge.” My guess is that NI will be happy to provide instrumentation to anyone who needs to measure anything, and I expect they have received a lot of good business from LENR researchers since the field has taken off recently.

Thanks for those who brought attention to the release of the slides from the presentation by Yeong E Kim and John Hadjichristos of Defkalion at ICCF. Here’s the link to them:

  • hunfgerh

    Why are you surprised – by the high currents and magnetic fields – that way. For more than ten years, I’ll say it again and again.

    The mysterious substance is a superconductor.

    • daphys

      I agree that the similarities between superconductivity and cold fusion are hardly a coincidence. Electron-plasmon interactions may have been found first by some researchers looking for cold fusion. Life is beautiful.

  • Nixter

    The enormous strength of the claimed Magnetic field is the big news here,(1.6 Tesla is so powerful, it’s hard to believe, and this is measured from 20 cm away!), additionally, some time ago Dr. Rossi implied that high heat is not required to produce this EM field he detected, when I asked him on his blog (In relation to his EMF discovery), if it were possible to someday have a Cold-Cat, he answered in the affirmative. It is therefore possible that something extremely important and new has been discovered here.

    I will be amazed if Rossi and Defkalion have not been focusing most of their R&D efforts on harnessing this “windfall” scientific discovery. It makes the generation of heat secondary when compared to the tremendous potential energy available from EM fields.

    Wikipedia says regarding clinical MRI scanners, that, “Clinical magnets generally have a field strength in the range 0.1–3.0 T,…” To get an idea of how powerful these fields are look at these images.

    These are continuously generated EM fields that extend far out into the area around the machines, but it seems that LENR EM fields are somehow different, perhaps being confined internally within the LENR device or being pulses too short in duration to cause these devastating “Missile effects” as seen in MRI scanner accidents. Knowing that Dr. Rossi shared this knowledge with the Naval Research labs some time ago, I wonder, what has been going on in the “black programs” funded by various Military top secret research labs, will any of this end up going to the civilian sector? Or will it all be directed towards the development of extremely efficient power sources for advanced weaponry?

    • fortyniner

      Unfortunately we don’t know whether this generated field is static (it sounds as if it may be) or moving relative to the generator (e.g., rotating), or oscillating at some frequency, or what shape the field is (easily established). This is obviously crucial information. As others have mentioned, a static magnetic field is not in itself a potential energy source, any more than a powerful permanent magnet is, so it is only if we learn that the field varies continuously in some way that speculations about harvesting energy from it by means of induction coils may be relevant.

      However it is an indication of some entirely new phenomenon, and further study of field effects in operating reactors could be a major key in understanding what is going on inside them. That may be what Rossi is up to, and could explain his apparent lack of interest in Sterling engines, etc. (inventors typically seem incapable of completing old lines of work when new things come along). It is also strongly suggestive of electrical/EM/RF stimulation being key to (probably) all CF reactions in the various reactor types.

      I wonder if DGT have looked for this phenomenon in the Hyperion reactor? It is also something that MFMP could take a look at, when they move on to testing nanopowder devices.

      • georgehants

        Morning Peter, you are describing a possible new phenomenon and in your comment go on to wonder what MFMP, Defkalion etc. are doing or aware of.
        Would I be daft to ask what the hell is main-line science doing about such a reported effect.
        Are they just a group of, hangers on, waiting for Rebel inventors to do all the scientific work for them.
        What are University’s and other scientific centers doing beside taking like the Laural and Hardy of physics, Dawkins and Hawkins, about in their “expert opinion’s,” their being no creator.
        Lovely day.

        • Roger Bird

          Those people you list don’t believe it, so they don’t have to do anything about it any more than they have to investigate the Lock Ness Monster.

        • Locutus of Borg

          Dawkins isn’t a physicist. What does their belief or non belief in fairy tales have to do with this?

          • Roger Bird

            What is consciousness? Since consciousness is the most important thing in the world, without it you don’t exist, that question becomes the most important question in the world. When you answer that question, I will give a fig what you atheists have to say. Of course, when you do answer it, you won’t be atheists any more, nor will you believe in fairy tails nor sky gods nor any such nonsense.

        • Locutus of Borg

          And it’s not Hawkins it’s Hawking.

          • Roger Bird

            Doesn’t change my opinion. Spending all of one’s adult life fretting about whether black holes evaporate or not rather than trying to find a cure for one’s very own dreadful disease seems like a huge misallocation of time and energy. And believing a profession that says that one is stuck with said dreadful disease “too bad” doesn’t seem like good sense to me. So using Hawking is an authority figure won’t work with me. Yes, I am sure that he can do advanced calculus in his head and I barely understand Calculus 101. But as far as perspective and paradigm nimbleness is concerned, he does not impress me at all. He did admit that he was wrong about something once; I thought that was a good thing.

        • fortyniner

          Hi George.

          It seems than that some scientific topics – the same ones that MSM will also not touch – really are ‘out of bounds’, and that any career scientist venturing off the reservation (e.g., Peter Hagelstein) will be de-funded, socially outcast and otherwise harrassed. Hardly an environment that encourages such research.

          Why this situation has come about is open to interpretation according to one’s world view.

      • Jim Anderson

        Hi fortyniner. You have raised excellent points about the generated field. We don’t really know about the experiment but also we don’t know what is possible. The phenomenon is so far a side effect of an experiment designed for another purpose. There is a slide show listed in these comments that lists the field created as being in a range. It is my understanding that the 1.6 Tesla figure is from a Defkalion experiment. And it is very likely that they would investigate further. Rossi has mentioned unspecified EMF from his experiments. To be very useful the field would need to be controllable and be able to be switched on and off rapidly and on command. Even if the mentioned experiment produced a static field it does not mean that varying the field in a controlled way is not possible. Experiments focusing on this aspect should and probably are being done.

        • fortyniner

          Hi Jim. Thanks for the gentle correction re. DGT! I suppose that if the field occurs at a particular threshold of stimulation (I’m assuming an active stimulus other than heat) then it might be possible to switch it on/off cyclically in response to variations in stimulus. Of course, to be useful such a follower effect would need to be fast (ms) and proportionate in order to generate any useful ‘chopped’ DC output in suitably located induction coils.

    • Jim Anderson

      Nixter Thank you for the additional information about Rossi’s EMF results that I didn’t know about. It is exhilarating and more than a little scary to see the inside of the developments that may change the world.

    • daphys

      I agree that 1.6 T is the big news here. The high number of similarities between superconductivity and cold fusion is hardly a coincidence. Superconductivity originates in electron-phonon interactions and as of today no Cooper pairing has been discovered at room temperature. In the 1960’s many theorists predicted electron-plasmon interactions and in turn superconductors at room temperature but electron-plasmon interactions have never been directly observed. Funny enough, screening by electron-plasmon interactions is a theory that explains both fusion and superconductivity at room temperature…

      Another interesting news is that the “reaction” begins at Debye temperature. Again this makes perfect sense in a electron-phonon/plasmon pairing model. A significant decrease in resistivity should be found as well even though I cannot see how resistivity can be measured in Defkalion reactor (Celani wires are more adapted for that). Something that has always puzzled me is why the reaction begins at (only) 330K in the E-cat. The only explanation I found is that 330k is the temperature for which Ni hydrides change to a beta-phase when Ni crystals are pre-loaded with deuterium, with in turn a ratio H/Ni close to 1. But as far as I know 330K is not related to any other multi-body effect that can be observed in Ni or NiH. Also NiH beta-phase is metastable at room temperature and (relatively) low H pressure and in that context Defkalion’s choice of a stable Ni crystal makes perfect sense.

      All together this makes me think that Defkalion is a step ahead in the production of the first LENR reactor.

  • Miles

    Offtopic – well, not if I want my Electric / LENR Car?

    “A revolutionary new device that could extend the energy capacity of renewable technologies and portable electronic devices from smart phones to electric cars, has been developed by Australian scientists.”

  • Barry

    Hmm…”This is a new device specially designed for laboratory
    testing and analyzing in situ phenomena from an
    operating Hyperion reactor in real time. This unique
    technology has been developed by Defkalion in
    cooperation with Fasmatech.”

    • dsm

      Excellent link and of significant interest – thanks.


    • Roger Bird

      I certainly didn’t see that quote at Fasmatech website. Perhaps I was looking in the wrong place.

      • artefact

        It is a quote from Prof. Kim’s slides.

  • bhl

    I am trying to understand the 1.5T magnetic field claim.

    Wikipedia says “Faraday cages cannot block static or slowly varying magnetic fields”.

    Further, MRI machines are said to produce 1.5 Tesla. We’ve all heard about MRI’s sucking all kinds of metal objects into them…

    How does this supposed 1.5T at 20cm jibe with reality?

    – Brad

    • Kim

      If you are producing continuous 1.6 tesla is not generating electricity the next
      logical step?

      Please inform or comment.


      • Kim

        Also this magnetic energy needs
        to be added to the total energy
        out put.


        • Zedshort

          Not if it is contained within the system.

        • saclamb

          Static magnetic fields do not require energy input. Consider the case of a permanent magnet.
          There have been suggestions here that the presence of a strong magnetic field may facilitate a more direct method of generating electricity (than the Carnot cycle). I’m not aware of any such mechanisms.

          • Roger Bird

            The magnetic field must be moving relative to the coils. I have magnetic fields on my refrigerator, and they aren’t doing anything but grasping the refrigerator. If I waved a coil through their magnetic fields, I would get some electrons moving.

          • Jim Anderson

            Maybe I am being overly simplistic doesn’t an electric generator work by breaking the lines of magnetic force to create an electric current. This 1.5 Tesla field is created without triggering? Does that mean it is created without the release of heat? If the field could be created and sustained without heat release it would be very useful even more than just heat production.

            • Kim

              I agree, about breaking
              the lines with a moving
              wire to produce electricity.

              All the facts about
              this phenomenon
              are still vague.


    • dsm

      Check Dr Kims slides.

      Cheers DSM

    • Roger Bird

      It doesn’t jibe. There has been some sort of misunderstanding.

  • AlainCo

    From NI employee 2 weeks ago I confirm that no LENR session or event was planned that year…
    however DJ Cravens planned to be present…
    I don’t know if he changed of plan.

  • Kim

    Looks like were in another
    “Wait and See” mode.


    • Brian

      Do you mean “wait and never see”?

  • artefact
    • AlainCo

      barty corrected me, it is just slides.

      anyway interesting, first more details on Defkalion process, and second some theoretical proposal.

    • Stefan

      I really liked the fact that they try to double check the theoretical calculations with simulations and claim that they speak the same story.
      There seems to be some way ahead to do more detailed analysis due to approximations taken though, Nice!

    • Kim

      (Without Triggering )1.6 Tesla at 20 cm!!!

      This could take on a whole new


    • dsm

      A-ha – at last we get the context for increasing deuterium in the gas mix. Now it all makes sense.

      This implies that self sustaining reactions could be improved
      by increasing the deuterium density (to be tested with
      Hyperion R 6 reactor with the on line real time mass
      spectrometer at Defkalion Lab