Al Gore Intrigued by Cold Fusion/LENR

Former Vice President Al Gore, well known for his championing of environmental causes, indicates that he is keeping tabs on happenings in the world of LENR. In this video of a recent Google+ conversation Gore participated in, he makes a comment that shows he is at least paying some attention to recent LENR developments. He says that right now, fusion of any kind is not something that we should bet on, but he seems interested, at least.

To see his remarks about cold fusion, go to around the 19 minute point. Also notice his comments on hot fusion, which echo points made here many times.

I have often thought that LENR could really benefit from a prominently known champion to bring it to the attention of the public. Based on these comments, is it possible that Al Gore could fill that role?

  • wolfgang gaerber

    AGW

    Maybe the situation in the states is somewhat different.
    But here in europa we have climate and flood track records dating back thousand years.
    Now we have two floods within 9 years exceeding those records and climate patterns never seen before.
    Climate is changing – thats for sure.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      And climate has always been changing. 1,000 years ago, Eric the Red was farming in Newfoundland. Now it’s too cold for trees. 150 years ago, Florida’s citrus belt was in North Florida. 50 years ago the citrus belt had moved 150 miles South to the Orlando area. Now, after decades of devastating freezes, the citrus belt has moved another 150 miles South to Palm Beach County.

      I have a cyber-friend(who occasionally visits this forum) who tends a vineyard in the South of France. He says that last summer was too cool for a successful crop.

      • George N

        Notice that nobody will refute you, because they can’t!

        • Roger Bird

          Older people tend to doubt AGW not just because they are often set in their ways. Iggy is VERY nimble minded. Older people have longer memories and can see through BS easier. Older people realize that politicians and doctors and scientists are just as human as mechanics and insurance agents and are just as inclined to imperfections as anyone else, collectively and individually. At least that is how this old person sees it.

          • Iggy Dalrymple

            I learned about con men flimflaming the natives, watching Jungle Jim and Tarzan movies back in the 40s.

            The evil jungle raider would hoodwink the natives into thinking he was their new magical god. Knowing when a new solar eclipse was due, he would gather the tribe and speak mumbojumbo and voilà, the moon would eclipse the sun. The tribal people were innocently ignorant. After decades of dumbing down the populace by the Progressives, the sheeple are ripe for shearing.

            Look, it’s raining, the boogie man is back.
            Look, it’s dry, the boogie man is back.
            Look, the wind just blew.
            Look, a blizzard.
            Look, nothing happened, and that’s very suspicious.

  • Barry

    If he could of been more in touch with this side, he probably would have been elected. Al Gore does humor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDiGYuQicpA I like him but he used to spend $$$ on oil to heat his indoor swimming pool. Takes a lot of wind out of his environmental sails.

    • Roger Bird

      Once a person gets to seeing the two faces of the young girls facing each other, and then they base more and more of their thinking on that initial perception, and perhaps they even get some money and fame and other goodies because of their original perception, then they find it harder and harder to see the skinny vase. I believe that this is what is all about. This is also exactly what hot-fusionists are all about. And it is this trap that no amount of intellect or science training can heal.

    • George N

      U r credible, because you are honest

  • Zabulab

    Not sure if anyone knows about this:
    http://2050-calculator-tool.decc.gov.uk/
    It is an energy simulator run by the UK government.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    i wonder if AlGore got his inspiration from this story:

    Of all the orators, a man named Lozier was the most respected. On a daily basis, he could be found at the Market debating an important topic. Lozier had an illustrious background. He had made several voyages to Europe as a ships’ carpenter and was well educated. Of all factors, his most important was that he had charisma. Through sheer charm, Lozier could convince others that what he was claiming was correct. He always had an answer ready for questions whether they be political, financial, or moral. July of 1824 saw a sudden change in Lozier and the birth of a great hoax. Although for years Lozier had made daily speeches at the Centre Market, and was always available for individual debates, now, all of a sudden, though coming to the Market each day, he sat off in a corner and was very introverted. If anyone approached him he would abruptly ask them to leave him alone. His friends debated among themselves on what was causing this change in Lozier. Finally, after a few weeks of quietness, a delegation approached Lozier with concern. Why was he so quiet and unsociable?

    This moment is just what Lozier had waited for. He proceeded to explain that it was not only his own problem but it also greatly affected their very own lives! With that statement there was dead silence and the crowd surrounding Lozier grew bigger. In a well calculated and rehearsed speech, he went on to reveal the dire problem. Simply put, he informed them that Manhattan Island was much too heavy on the Battery end because of all the heavy construction that had gone on in recent years. The weight of all these buildings at one end was causing it to tip and eventually would break off into the sea! Though some expressed doubtfulness, Lozier had “proof.” He took the crowd to the center of the street and told them to look down the road. From City Hall to the opposite end was all downhill.

    Now it was sheer panic! It was true! Lozier told them not to worry as he had almost figured out a solution. He asked them to give him a few more days and he would announce how Manhattan could be spared of the pending disaster.

    After a few days the news came that Lozier was going to speak that afternoon at the Market. Needless to say, hundreds showed up to hear his solution. With much drama, Lozier explained how Manhattan Island could be saved. The plan was as follows: First it would be necessary to saw the island off at the Northern end, at the Kingsbridge, and tow it past both Governor’s and Ellis Island and out to sea. There Manhattan would be turned around and brought back into the mainland and reattached. Now the heavy end would be the one attached to the mainland and the opposite end, which had fewer heavy buildings, would be on the free end. Zoning laws could be passed to prevent construction of buildings on this end. Problem solved!
    http://www.historybuff.com/library/refmanhattan.html

    • fortyniner

      Excellent parable.

    • AlainCo

      note that it is a legend. people were at that time not so Gullible, because there was no scientific consensus.

  • Anonymous Reader

    I like Al Gore and his support for LENR.

    But when they talk about Mr. Gore, I can’t help thinking about the South Park Al Gore Episode: Man-Bear-Pig.

    http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s10e06-manbearpig

  • Felix Fervens

    Wish Al Gore would put some of his hundreds of $millions into LENR

    • GreenWin

      Al’s a partner at a BIG venture capital outfit. They are undoubtedly all over the idea, figuring how to exploit New Fire.

      • Roger Bird

        It is difficult to believe that they aren’t well aware of LENR+. But they may have concluded that unless they manufacture the units that they won’t be able to get enough money to be worth it. The good news is that people like a venture capital company are going to know better how to make it happen business-wise that probably most of us.

        • sempervivum

          Its difficult to believe that anybody with connection to the US government does not know everything regarding LENR Since we now know the CIA Prism program is reading email, Facebook and taping telephone lines at will . Robert Mockam always said he was capable of acquiring all of the sensitive documents related to LENR from existing files . The insane oligarchs have probable rendered him somewhere tied up naked in a cell.

          • Roger Bird

            More pointless and unproductive paranoia. So, now, I guess I am part of the conspiracy. Why is it that so many people interested in edgy studies are conspiracy people?

          • GreenWin

            semp – to give proper credit, the Prism program is reportedly the work of the NSA – which may make the other agencies jealous… or laugh.

            • Iggy Dalrymple

              In my opinion the Prism program theoretically makes sense, but that assumes competent nonpartisan bureaucrats administering it. Since 0bama’s admin, the bureaucracy has felt free to use all programs to attack and punish all political opponents to the GimmeCrat Party.

              Most GimmeCrats I know, think it’s cool to use the IRS to punish their opponents. Most GimmeCrats I know, have no reverence for our Bill of Rights. Most GimmeCrats I know, have zero appreciation for our founding fathers.

              It’s bad and it’ll get worse. There’s no turning back until our society collapses. I pity those that live near the DC Beltway because that will be the District of Cannibalism.

              • AlainCo

                First Prims is not a news, and guess why France build a separate “independent” cloud… Not because of freedom, but because of industrial spying.

                I don’t critic the theory of the need of spying terrorists… but Bruce Schneier a great expert in real security (read: beyond fear by Bruce Schneier) remind us tha anything that the government can do, the mafia can take control on it when needed.

                Anyway it seems that the big cloud companies were not giving open access, but just specific access on explicit demand…

                like loose cryptography, hole in the privacy is not a problem of freedom from the government, but risk against the mafia, your wife, or your neighbor.
                You can control the government, but not the private mafia, companies, neighbors, family…

  • Omega Z

    To Note:

    Al Gore is likely well apprised of what is happening with LENR.

    He has Millions invested in the Carbon Credit Scheme.

    • Omega Z

      In the Video at 19 minutes-

      I would add that watching facial expressions when LENR came up is interesting.

      Of Both commentator & Gore.
      A Smirk- or Smile-
      Something unsaid- “Shhh- It’s a secret.”

      Why bring it up at all?

      Regardless- They Both are aware.
      It is being discussed behind the scenes.

      • George N

        Probubly a planted cue to communicate to their lawyer followers “hey, this is credible, now everyone do what they can to shut it down!”

        • Roger Bird

          You paranoia is showing. There was no such cue to “shut it down”.

          • George N

            A joke buddy

    • Roger Bird

      If that carbon credit greed was influencing his mind, then he would not have mentioned a word about LENR. So I guess greed as a motivator is not always true.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Has this turned into a climate change site…..

    • George N

      Only when Al Gore starts talking about LENR. Do you really expect when someone creates a totally false mainstream documentary that they should not be mocked??

      • Roger Bird

        “Totally false” is absurd. (I have to defend Al Gore because I am dealing with the epistemologically retarded!!!) Al Gore had lots of valid data points in that movie (not that I actually watched the movie). He merely connected the dots in ways that fit his mind-set and his hysteria-set and then added some questionable data points that fit his picture. We just have a better picture that fits the data-points, but he and his ilk are fixated on their picture and refuse to see our picture and call us names. And the greed-mind-set entered the minds of Al Gore et. al., so trying to get them to see that the Sun is running the climate is unlikely. It doesn’t bother them that the current hot spell last year and this year (and probably next Summer) is perfectly predicted by the Sun modal. They are fixated and will call us stupid because we won’t kiss the asses of scientists who are now all paid if they toe the AGW line and not paid if they don’t toe the AGW line.

        But isn’t all of this moot.

        • Bob

          I think he said that New York would be under 20 feet of water by 2020. There were maps and everything showing where the new coastline would be. That was some years back now so I guess we should be seeing some significant rise in sea levels towards that by now.
          Have a look out the window and tell us how it’s looking. How high’s the water mama? Five feet high and rising?
          If you want something to be taken seriously then my advice would be to keep Al out of it.

          • Roger Bird

            For you and me, Bob, you are right on. But some true believers, Al Gore means something. So I am glad that he said what he said.

        • George N

          Roger, I’m laughing as I write this because you actually think kissing up to people that revere Al Gore is going to make any difference either way! Whenever Rossi starts selling a product is all that really matters, and maybe the 6 month interactive test might change a few minds but that remains to be seen… Therefore I would not try sacrificing the truth in order to kiss up to people that can’t seem to see the abundant evidence, because it is not worth the diminishing rate of return in order to twist your own logic to both appease global warmer true believers and your own logic — relax and enjoy the ride, cause Rossi is driving!

          • Roger Bird

            “Roger, I’m laughing as I write this because you actually think kissing up to people that revere Al Gore is going to make any difference either way!” I only got this far with your message since I can see that you interpret kindness and understanding as weakness. I see in this case my actions as an opening for dialogue. You can go ahead and see kindness and understanding to be weakness in your paradigm of war. My paradigm is that of Oneness and good will. What possible harm can come with my approach other than a rejection by them, and oh I will lose so much sleep over that.

            • George N

              Good point, you can start with that advice by not calling people retarded! I believe you have it backwards, most liberals see kindness as a weakness, so the only way to get them to understand logic is to conceptually corner them and methodically cut out their counter arguments by the knees — they will never admit when they have been proven wrong, but it does eventually sink in to them (because they rely chiefly on pathos, then ethos, then finally logos). Republicans are always trying to play nice, and look at where that leads them! If you make it clear that the left has been using global warming as a political tool to expand government power and then ask the true global warming believers why can’t the left at least allow granting patents to LENR advances (a low cost/risk proposition that has a possibility of such huge payoffs), this puts more pressure on true believers of global warming that makes them question if they really do care about the environment or are they just going to keep on falling for the left’s ploy — hopefully this realization of this hippocracy motivates them to join the LENR cause. this approach is not for everyone, but it’s what works best for my personality type, not trying to make it personal, just getting people to take a different look at something rather than just keep on filling the main stream of thought (which has been hijacked by the left and is a huge undertaking to correct by conservatives/libertarians!)

              • Roger Bird

                Too much concern about what others are doing and not enough concern about what oneself is doing. This might make a lot of sense in war, but I am not at war.

              • Iggy Dalrymple

                If the Global Smarmists backed LENR, then their phony bogey man would die and their cause would also die.
                Do-Gooder organizations know better than to actually solve anything. All the Do-Gooders learned their lesson when the March of Dimes cured polio. Nowadays, no one even knows what the March of Dimes does.

                The National Cancer Society feels very comfortable with its future.

                • Roger Bird

                  Considering that the NCS only supports research that is sure to fail, I would think that they do feel secure.

                • George N

                  Sounds like we are all on the same page, excellent insights iggy!

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Do it on another site, PLEASE

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    NYT: Global warming halted because… we’re lucky

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/11/nyt-global-warming-halted-because-were-lucky/

    • Roger Bird

      Older people have seen much more and realize that scientists, politicians, educators and others are just as human as your mechanic and are to be looked upon with as much skepticism as your mechanic. I notice that anti-AGW folks tend to be older, and pro-AGW tend to be younger. Anti-AGW people are looking closely at the data, and pro-AGW people are looking closely at the scientists.

      But, it is all moot.

      • AlainCo

        To be serious the BS detector of any people like me have been activated, when you see exaggerations like the one of al gore, when you seen Peer-Review manipulation, terror against journal that allow controversy, bullying of opponents like seen on cold fusion, when you see a gold rush of all science academy to get funding for any stupid idea merged with the fashion, when you see clear incompetence on welle mastered subject like health, economics, geopolitics, hydrology, numerical simulation, statistics…
        Then you can add the epistemological critics that all is based on (failed) simulation and corrections, not on data and success…
        Then you ass the society observation of typical religious behaviors, ceremony, media submission, inquisition against dissenters…

        all that , well known for people knowing what happened in LENR, in economics, in finance, in old science, in theology, in history, activated the BS detector.

        after that first BS impression, many skeptics critics activated the same BS detector too, but less strongly because minoritarian…

        I have no idea of what is true, but first the data does not match the theory. second the sincere analysis of the sciences lead to estimate to no modelisation is serious, and the system is structurally intractable. third, we don’t care because the solution a very different from the one propose, based on economic development, technology, adaptation, and reactivity… finally, with LENr the problem is solved.

        anyway a point, if Al Gore support LENR, it is time to check if the data are not tweaked, and if big money is not trying to capture that pot of gold.
        PS: it seems using the full term BS is fordbidden

        • George N

          Well said! The history of Eugene Mallove further illustrates your point, just as one of many examples!

          • AlainCo

            Mallowe simply found that MIT used “a trick to hide the incline” 😉

            really the same…
            A nice job could be to read the climategate archive and find all the tricks, bullying, manipulation, that were also used against LENR.

            as recognize the CG mail authors, it was “normal science”…
            ah , ah , Thomas Kuhn might be laughing!
            read: fr.slideshare.net/sandhyajohnson/the-structure-of-scientific-revolutions-thomas-kuhn-book-summary#

  • MStone

    Al Gore invented Cold Fusion.

    • buffalo

      i,l be dammed,why did he invent it milestone?

      • Invient

        To kill man bear big… And then post it on the internets, which he also invented.

        • Roger Bird

          Your post makes no sense. Do you have a typo in it which if corrected your post might then make sense?

          • George N

            He is referring to the South Park Al Gore special where Al was warning everyone about “man bear pig” but nobody would believe him, lol

  • adam

    Al Gore isn’t really a guy to be trusted, remember, he sold his tv station to an oil company (Al-Jazeera which is state-owned by Qatar). He is in it for the money, nothing more, nothing less.

    • Roger Bird

      I fail to see why if he is in it for the money then he has to be in it ONLY for the money. That is like if a young man likes his date’s figure that he only wants to sleep with her and nothing more. Sidney Kimmel is a big shot capitalist, funding movies and such, but he has time and money for LENR. There can be no question that Gore is happy to get rich off of AGW and conservation. That does not mean that that is his only interest. I am very keen on promoting raw milk; but if I could get rich off of such advocacy, do you think that I would turn up my nose at such money.

      As far as trusting Al Gore, as long as he is promoting LENR, well, that is about as far as I could trust him. Remember, he was a politician. What more do I need to say?

    • Bertuswonkel

      I do not agree at all. Al-Jazeera might be financed by Qatar but why does that matter? Can´t blame Qatar for selling their oil, who wouldn’t? All countries try to do that, Pecunia non olet.
      Al-Jazeera is actually a really good news agency. Far more balanced than most American station and they produce a lot of good documentaries. Since their financier basically has unlimited money there is no need for commercials or to focus on viewership. I am a big fan of their work and so is Gore, that’s why he agreed. I don’t see any problem.

  • George N

    What Al said around the 19 minute mark did not come across as supportive of lenr/cold fusion. It sounded to me that he was trying to emphasize that the technology was at least 15 years away and that the focus should be on other more known renewable technologies — I think the reason why he gave an indication of intrigue into developments in LENR is because he knows that it could be a possibility in the next 1 to 5 years and he just wants to cover his backside in case it does, but he would rather focus on the the traditional renewables because the only way they will ever “work” is through government regulation and distorting the market — which is what liberals love because they are able to gain more power through the force of government by tricking the masses of a coming calamity — but thank goodness for the Russian hackers that exposed climate gate which showed the world that the climate scientists that the UN was relying on were just fudging the data to fit thier pre-confirmed models! Same old game, back in the seventies the climate scientists were warning of the coming ice age! I guess the fact that other planets’ atmosphere in our solar system are rising in temperature has nothing to say about the earth’s changing climate?? Does anything in nature remain constant, or is it more likely that the climate goes through macro cycles? Also, why did grapes use to be grown in Greenland and northern England?? But hey, I will fully support if anyone can get al Gore to promote LENR, but I doubt he will, because it doesn’t really support his hidden agenda — he uses more energy than entire neighborhoods with all his mansions and jets!

    • Roger Bird

      George, I am an LENR believer and an AGW disbeliever. I think that your paranoia/conspiracy thinking is showing. Just because Gore flies around in big jets does not mean that he is not sincere about his beliefs. He will tell you that he needs the jet to get to conferences and such. I bet if you sat down with him over a beer and were able to forget about your and his politics that you would find that he was an OK guy. [I can’t because abhor beer. (:->)] Not everyone thinks just like you and me; I would expect that someone who believed in AGW would drive around in a VW bug and fly commercial airlines. But that is just me. I am sure that he has plenty of rationalizations for his behavior, just like you and me and everyone else.

      • George N

        I have no problem with people who have many mansions and jets, but I do have a problem with people that tell everyone else that they need to consume less, but they themselves don’t make any sacrifice! Al Gore is a smart person, I don’t think it would take them too long to realize that there is something going on with LENR. It would not take too much political capital to promote LENR by simply promoting the argument that LENR research deserves to be patentable — which would then the attract significant investment from the private sector — but Al Gore and the political class will not do this, and this is enough evidence for me to realize that they are lying through their teeth about their true intentions about global warming and actually promoting clean energy that is more efficient than fossil fuels. But I see your point Roger, LENR will make GW a mute point, so we should not argue about it because it may turn away some of the true GW believers from the LENR cause. But I have a hard time resisting this argument because I know that about half the people promoting GW are not doing it to “save the planet”, they are promoting GW to increase gov power!! (and the same people vehemently oppose LENR, now isn’t that odd/coincidence/convenient). So I think it’s a fine line to walk, fight fire with fire with the GW political opportunists, while trying to welcome the GW true believers — I want clean air when I run through the city, I just happen to believe that the pollution does not have the macro effect that GW claims it does!

        • Roger Bird

          George N, My wife works with neurologically damaged high school students, ya know, special ed, basketcases. If a human being could ever logically be called a basketcase, these poor people could. It is so freaking pathetic and sad. I don’t recall ANYONE like that when I was in high school 50 years ago, NO ONE. I blame pollution and 3 generations of polluted franken-foods. Pollution is the complete and utter horror story that NO ONE sees. People spend time watching fake horror movies, while horror is going on all of the time with our exhaust pipes and smoke stacks and our pasteurization and food additives and coloring, etc. etc. etc. CO2 is a nutrient. Pollution is horror. Pollution will be our lead pipes.

          • George N

            I agree that localized pollution has very harmful affects on the local environment and local inhabitants, as well as on downstream waterways. I also agree that if food ingredients were not around a hundred years ago, that there is a good chance that the human body may not know how to efficiently process it, which can lead to the body becoming out of equilibrium and disease/cancer can take root. If the government were to focus on these localized problems with localized solutions, I would be in full support — but instead the government(s) are constantly promoting this one size fits all “solution” which would not have an impact on the climate, probubly make it worse by making everyone poorer and resulting in more localized and more politant charcoal fires (simular to how Obamacare was supposed to make healthcare cheaper). Plus, I think the main source of pollution and social dislocation is urban living, which LENR would be one of the technologies that would enable more widespread rural living (along with LiFi) where the cost of living is cheaper and social order is more natural in smaller communities. But the left hates this idea, in California their are trying to destroy rural communities by turning off their water under the guise of saving some small fish! Roger I realize what you are saying about how people today spend most of their mindless hours consuming media with no real significance such as horror films, online shooting games. I would surmise that this may be the result of the left promoting the idea that we have no souls and that we are just the result of chemicals on a neuro network (I happen to believe that this is the state of the spiritually dead, but the spirit can give birth to the spirit, otherwise our Father will never have known us). But for a percentage of the population that have a natural spiritual tendency, the left replaced their traditional religion with the new religion of climate change, that is why they reacted so looney when Barack said that he would lower the sea levels!

  • Roger Bird

    I was posting comments to sites selected by Google with the string “conservation”. I told the National Geographic Society that some day Andrea Rossi would win their NG/Buffet Award, or at least should. And I was thinking of all of the ways that LENR+ will eventually help and harm the natural environment. (CO2 will not be counted either way.) Pollution from all forms of fossil fuel burning is an obvious benefit. China will become livable again. Bejing is practically awash with smog, probably the worst smog ever, anywhere. Many if not most people walk around with little paper gas “masks” on. But also people will have less desire to cut down trees. We will not have such a need to dam rivers, although there will still be the need to protect us from floods at the very least. There may be less damming thanks to extracting water via evaporation, whatever that is called. High voltage lines will be coming down. The danger from oil spills will go away. Lots of thing will get better.

    There will be resource over-exploitation. I just discovered that tilapia is mostly farmed and not by people who understand the importance of paleo or natural. Tilapia is only popular because all of the other better fish have been reduced to such a low level that tilapia is next, and not a very nutritious fish at that. I suppose that if people who understood the importance of natural and paleo farming were to start farming tilapia that would help. Fortunately, the population of the world is going to plateau out at 10 billion and we can work all of this out. But it will take education and self-restraint.

  • Robyn Wyrick

    I think it’s great that Al Gore is aware of very intriguing things going on in the field of Cold Fusion / LENR, etc.

    What I find exciting is not that Mr. Gore himself is following it – though that is all well and good – it is that, when asked about, Cold Fusion was (1) ready in his mind, and (2) clearly of significant interest, and finally (3) he’s putting it out for his serious international audience to hear: “that thing, that used to be called Cold Fusion – there’s something there!”

    That’s a big deal.

    But even more interesting to me is to speculate on *how* Al Gore is looking at CF. This is someone who had, not long after 1989, arrived at the most inner circle of power in the U.S. Now he goes to Davos, at the World Economic Forum, and to international meetings all focused on ways to do something that Cold Fusion technology is precisely geared for.

    If he is aware of current LENR developments – and thinks they are “very intriguing explorations”, then no doubt, the highest seats of power are aware.

    • Roger Bird

      Did I get it that the FIRST thing that Al Gore mentioned was cold fusion? Only, I have to admit, it did sound like someone prompted the interviewer. Although I am alright with that. Someone, Al Gore perhaps, I hope, thought that mentioning cold fusion was so important that the interviewer needed to be prompted to make sure that there was a question such that Al Gore could mention cold fusion in a positive way. Although, I admit that I could have been imagining things since I knew what the answer was going to be. I started at 18:00 rather 19:00 because I wanted to see the context.

  • Roger Bird

    Yes, I agree HHiram, your ability to put other people down is superior to mine. Your tolerance of other people’s viewpoint is superior to mine. And your ability to get other people to see your viewpoint is superior to mine. I surrender to your superior intellect.

  • Roger Bird

    I won’t get into an argument with a BIGOT like HHiram.

    • Robyn Wyrick

      “BIGOT” is just over the top. It’s a personal attack. I would greatly appreciate it if the conversation were on the merits.

      • Roger Bird

        So would I. Please tell that to HHiram.

  • Roy O’Neil

    We could entice Al Gore to help us by pointing out that he could greatly reduce his carbon footprint and his energy bill with some ecats. He wont have any trouble understanding LENR because he’s technically minded

  • zvibenyosef

    This is wonderful news. I have the utmost respect for Al Gore. I only wish he had pushed back a bit harder on the Florida election count. It probably would not have changed the outcome, as Rethuglicans were determined to steal the election.
    I have been writing to well known alternative energy advocates, asking them to promote LENR. If Al Gore is willing, maybe we shall see more progress in raising awareness of this critical new technology.

    Thank you President Gore.

    • AB

      US residents may want to try and contact Gore asking him to support LENR research. He would be a powerful ally with a large, receptive audience.

      • Roger Bird

        Yes, zvibenyosef, I think that you would be perfect for the job. And I will support any effort to make him feel loved among us.

      • Ryan

        I think the real difficulty here is crafting the message to people like this with the appropriate information and character witnesses that is both good enough to convey the evidence that exists so far in a compelling way but also concise enough so that someone not already tapped into the information isn’t overwhelmed. Throwing too much information at people will just make them want to avoid it, given the current rampant ADHD that seems to pervade our species now. Too little information, or not the appropriate, key information that is both attention getting and compelling enough to overcome the social stigma attached to this topic will also drive them away. The question becomes how do you walk this razor’s edge? Do we have any psychologists or advertising specialists following this topic that are versed enough on the concept to try and craft such a message?

    • Roger Bird

      We can see that partisanism is alive and well. I think that it is some kind of vicarious ego-trip, sort of like religion is for many people.

      zvibenyosef, it is the people that strongly dislike Al Gore that I worry about.

    • Steve M

      ole Al Gore the inventor of the internet, he is a good guy but
      he is making to much money now, his hobby is alternative energies but he
      wants to keep arms length from anything that may affect his board duties, so I would not count on him here.

    • Joe Shea

      I see no indication he supports LENR, even though he did mention cold fusion. He certainly is not supportive of hot fusion, thank goodness. I’m not sure it was worth listening for 19 minutes to hear this brief comment. I hope the idea of “smaller” and “modular” reactors are the Rossi devices he’s talking about.

      • Alp

        If he was talking about Rossi, why did he not say so? NDA? (LOL!)

  • SteveA

    My worry is that LENR could become just like global climate change – most conservatives in the US will automatically reject it because Gore brought it to light. I kind of hope he keeps a safe distance.

    • Roger Bird

      That could be. But a little wedge here, and little wedge there, and pretty soon that whole thing comes tumbling down. I am a conservative, but I am not stupid and do often think outside of the box. I suppose that makes me an abnormal conservative. G0D, I hope so. The narrowness of most conservatives rankles me. It is only because I know their minds that I ever get into conversations with them; I know what to say and what not to say to keep them from going ballistic. I know that one way to make them go ballistic is “Al Gore said . . ”

      Are we going to lose Iggy now?

      • zvibenyosef

        When I last checked, the laws of nature and physics had no political affiliations. These last couple of years we have witnessed many severe storms, extreme drought, firestorms and melting polar ice caps in both the arctic and antarctic. Hurricane Sandy was like something out of a disaster movie. This year is shaping up to be even worse. Climate deniers will eventually have to acknowledge that our global climate is changing. It it not be the end of the world, but it is the end of a world which was hospitable to human life.

        • Timar

          Lets cut those deniers among us some slack. With all the media coverage it is easy to be right about global warming – it is much, much harder to be right about LENR. Most of them will one day realize that they have been wrong about global warming, at least those who are going live for another 10 or 20 years will realize that for certain.

        • Roger Bird

          zvibenyosef, if you believe in LENR, then you must necessarily believe that the AGW debate is moot. So why are you continuing it? Or, as my wife likes to point out, do you just like to argue.

        • Jim

          @zvibenyosef

          Don’t take it too hard. I got slapped around here for using the phrase “AGW denier” too, but I got over it. Plus I had to admit it is a type of name calling. e-catworld folk are generally open minded and receptive to positive contribution, in fact in more dimensions than I would attempt to tally.

          I’m personally planning to enjoy some warm water beach access in Northern California…

          • Roger Bird

            This has nothing whatsoever to do with LENR or Marin County, but check out Marin Marias. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01kQDJjehiI I simply cannot get enough of this guy.

            Are you from ultra-rich Marin County? How do you deal with that if you are a liberal? (:->)

        • AlainCo

          this is not what the statistics says.
          Media manipulate fear.

          You remind me people who claim that LENr is not replicated, no peer-reviewed papers…

          You need to update your data.

          that is the common point between LENR and AGW-critics : you need to update the data, and forget about media and experts, who are paid for their bias.

          the fact is earth is not warmer, that storms don’t increase (our memory however shorten), in US, nor elsewhere, that seal level is slowing down, that they have to invent a new epicycle to justify ocean don’t warm visibly…

          All that story start to be ridiculous.

          anyway, no reason to argue each other, LENR solve the problem of both camp :
          – no CO2
          – no costly energy
          – no need to block poor country growth
          – no fearmongering needed
          – and if things get bad, we have the tool to warm or cool houses, give water, or pump water, swallow or produce CO2…

          I bet that AGW will never be debunked, but just forgotten (it have started)… it will be useless on both side… renewable energy, nuke and oil will die… poor countries will emerge and blocking them will be impossible, population will stall at 9 billion…

          war soon stopped, short of combatant.

      • winebuff

        keep watching fox news george, good luck with your house on the beach. lol

      • winebuff

        Roger does the quote “your not a real conservative” ring a bell. u obviously know the earth is more than 6000 yrs old and oil and gas are the only viable forms of energy. lots of people forget that oil and gas recieved tons of government largess and still does.roger I applaud u for for your valuable posts here. even for a regan republican. 🙂

        • Roger Bird

          Lips that touch wine will never touch mine. (:->)

        • Roger Bird

          How’s this: The ONLY thing that matters in life is spiritual growth, and everything else is useless.

    • Timar

      Yes, it will be interesting to see the reactions now that one of the most malicious leaders of the Epic Liberal Satanic AGW Illuminati Socialist World Government Conspiracy (ELSAGWISWGC or short 666) publicly speaks in favor of LENR. What the hell is going on there!?

      • Timar

        Wow, THIS went past moderation!? 😀

      • Roger Bird

        Timar, I am almost certain that you are being sarcastic, but in these times, one can’t be certain.

        • Timar

          I’m sure PRISM knows that I’m sarcastic!

          Wait… wow, there’s some kind of drone in front of my wi

          • artefact

            Timar! ..

    • zvibenyosef

      The opinions of close minded people are not important. If they wish to wallow in their ignorance, it is their choice, nobody can persuade them otherwise.
      LENR will prove itself a viable practical source of cheap and plentiful energy. Any business which does not make use of it will be putting itself at a disadvantage, and will soon lose out to their competitors. In business the only thing that matters is the bottom line.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    I’ve got very little respect for AlGore or his opinions but of course I welcome him on board. He holds great sway over his congregation.

    As of Oct 2011: Apple board member. Senior adviser to Google. Partner at storied Silicon Valley venture capital firm Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers.

    So definitely, the CAT is out of the bag.

    • Roger Bird

      So, Iggy, are you saying that the LENR skeptopaths are not GORED, but the CAT is out of the bag. Is this what you are trying to say?

      Remember, people, don’t get upset about opposition. If the New York Slimes had as it’s BIG headline: “Cold Fusion is back and it is still bunk” I wouldn’t mind. They are telling everyone that cold fusion is back. Use opposition like an aikido master uses the enemies energy.

      Only this time we are NOT going to slink off to the corner and stay quiet.

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        Time for the skeptopaths to seek other employment.

        • Roger Bird

          I was thinking more along the lines of psychotherapy, dance therapy, yoga, tai chi, journal writing, fish oil, EFT, things like that.

          • Timar

            Yes, but PRIVATE journal writing – just to rule out any possible misconceptions…

            • Roger Bird

              Of course. I also recommend dance therapy, yoga, tai chi, PRIVATE journal writing, fish oil, EFT, things like that for anyone here who insists upon continuing to argue about AGW. Now, if one wants to discuss about resource depletion or pollution (non-CO2), I would not recommend to them any of these inner energy enhancement techniques. (:->)

    • zvibenyosef

      Al Gore was the victim of a vicious campaign of lies by the right wing. He won the 2000 election with a majority of over 500,000 in the popular vote, and he also won Florida, if had they ever bothered to count the votes. The right wing hate him because they know they stole that election, and installed a puppet who ruined the country for eight excruciating years. I have no respect for bush, but plenty of respect for the man who rightfully should have been President Gore.

    • Joe Shea

      He never mentioned the E-Cat, or LENR, so we can only hope that’s what he was talking about when he mentioned cold fusion. I hope his use of the phrase “modular reactors” refers to the home E-Cat, and that it may even spur Andrea Rossi to renew the effort to make them available to the public. I hope one day that in the midst of a future Hurricane Sandy, when the power would otherwise go out, the home E-Cat will save lives and provide power to millions of people who have them.

  • http://www.kaltefusion.tk/blog barty

    Someone should contact him, and give him more detailled information and good information sources where he can read more about LENR.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      Don’t you think that his pals at Apple and Google are keeping him well informed? That’s probably where he heard about it. Now, I’m wondering
      if his secret partner might be Apple or Google.

    • Robert Ellefson

      Oops, I hit the wrong reply button; meant for my comments about posting to relevant pages to reply to this message. Anyhow, I encourage other folks to join the discussions underway surrounding this new foray into the environmental movement.

      • http://www.kaltefusion.tk/blog barty

        I gave you +1 on google+ 😉

  • HHiram

    This is going to be entertaining! Many of the hardcore LENR folks are also climate change denialists. Cue the cognitive dissonance!

    • Roger Bird

      No cognitive dissonance here. He is a human being, and like all human beings has a limited perspective and cannot know everything. And despite what you may think, I am just as keen on a cleaner, greener world as you and he are. I just don’t believe the AGW part. In fact, most environmental efforts I agree with, except the government messing with everything and the fretting about CO2. I just hope that the CO2 keeps going up while LENR is coming on-line. CO2 is good. We need about 1000 ppm; I am just quoting the experts, those who run greenhouses.

      This is going to bring a 5H1T storm down on his head. It will cause some people to criticize him harshly. It will cause cognitive dissonance in many people, particularly AGW advocates who are hardcore physicists and whose last name is not Essen, Levi, et. al.

      • GreenWin

        Again, from the one mainstream publisher who has allowed positive coverage of cold fusion:

        http://onforb.es/109Zkv8

        • Roger Bird

          Moot.

        • fortyniner

          The true ‘concensus’ emerges. ‘Pandora’s Promise’ may be climbing aboard a ship that is already terminally holed below the waterline.

        • AlainCo

          Finance journal have a specificity.
          They are faid to give usefull information, con comfortable opinions.
          This is why, even if they have a bias on the headlines, they always allow minority opinion to be expressed, letting the reader think on his own.
          Reading a finance journal is not a leisure, but a professional act.
          For reader of Forbes, missing LENR revolution, or AGW crash, may have financial impact.

          Those journal cover all importants controversies.
          You will see LENR covered in WSJ before SciAm, Nature or NYT.

      • HHiram

        You’re welcome to your opinion about AGW. Unfortunately, your opinion is not well-informed by science. It is also reflective of rather staggering ethnocentricity. That is particularly ironic given how international the readership is that is interested in LENR.

        The difference between LENR and AGW is simple: there is no convincing theoretical explanation for LENR. The evidence for LENR is now quite compelling, but science is very slow to accept claims without a clear *explanation* for how such phenomena could arise. This is not at all the case for AGW. We have extremely comprehensive and detailed explanations for how anthropogenic CO2 alters the atmosphere, and how atmospheric composition affects climate. One day we will have explanations for LENR that are just as compelling.

        To doubt a phenomena when there is evidence but no explanation is reasonable. To doubt a phenomena where both the evidence and the explanation are overwhelming is madness.

        • Roger Bird

          It is moot, HHiram. It is like scratching at an itch for weeks on end. It doesn’t solve anything. The solution to AGW is here. Why do you insist upon beating this poor horse to death? You just like to argue, don’t you.

        • Iggy Dalrymple

          Hal Lewis Resignation Letter from the American Physical Society
          Hal Lewis – December 8, 2010
          The following resignation letter was sent by Hal Lewis, professor emeritus of physics at the University of California, Santa Barbara, to the American Physical Society:

          Sent: Friday, 08 October 2010 17:19 Hal Lewis
          From: Hal Lewis, University of California, Santa Barbara
          To: Curtis G. Callan, Jr., Princeton University, President of the American Physical Society
          6 October 2010

          Dear Curt:

          When I first joined the American Physical Society sixty-seven years ago it was much smaller, much gentler, and as yet uncorrupted by the money flood (a threat against which Dwight Eisenhower warned a half-century ago).

          Indeed, the choice of physics as a profession was then a guarantor of a life of poverty and abstinence—it was World War II that changed all that. The prospect of worldly gain drove few physicists. As recently as thirty-five years ago, when I chaired the first APS study of a contentious social/scientific issue, The Reactor Safety Study, though there were zealots aplenty on the outside there was no hint of inordinate pressure on us as physicists. We were therefore able to produce what I believe was and is an honest appraisal of the situation at that time. We were further enabled by the presence of an oversight committee consisting of Pief Panofsky, Vicki Weisskopf, and Hans Bethe, all towering physicists beyond reproach. I was proud of what we did in a charged atmosphere. In the end the oversight committee, in its report to the APS President, noted the complete independence in which we did the job, and predicted that the report would be attacked from both sides. What greater tribute could there be?

          How different it is now. The giants no longer walk the earth, and the money flood has become the raison d’être of much physics research, the vital sustenance of much more, and it provides the support for untold numbers of professional jobs. For reasons that will soon become clear my former pride at being an APS Fellow all these years has been turned into shame, and I am forced, with no pleasure at all, to offer you my resignation from the Society.

          It is of course, the global warming scam, with the (literally) trillions of dollars driving it, that has corrupted so many scientists, and has carried APS before it like a rogue wave. It is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life as a physicist. Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents, which lay it bare. (Montford’s book organizes the facts very well.) I don’t believe that any real physicist, nay scientist, can read that stuff without revulsion. I would almost make that revulsion a definition of the word scientist.

          So what has the APS, as an organization, done in the face of this challenge? It has accepted the corruption as the norm, and gone along with it. For example:

          1. About a year ago a few of us sent an e-mail on the subject to a fraction of the membership. APS ignored the issues, but the then President immediately launched a hostile investigation of where we got the e-mail addresses. In its better days, APS used to encourage discussion of important issues, and indeed the Constitution cites that as its principal purpose. No more. Everything that has been done in the last year has been designed to silence debate

          2. The appallingly tendentious APS statement on Climate Change was apparently written in a hurry by a few people over lunch, and is certainly not representative of the talents of APS members as I have long known them. So a few of us petitioned the Council to reconsider it. One of the outstanding marks of (in)distinction in the Statement was the poison word incontrovertible, which describes few items in physics, certainly not this one. In response APS appointed a secret committee that never met, never troubled to speak to any skeptics, yet endorsed the Statement in its entirety. (They did admit that the tone was a bit strong, but amazingly kept the poison word incontrovertible to describe the evidence, a position supported by no one.) In the end, the Council kept the original statement, word for word, but approved a far longer “explanatory” screed, admitting that there were uncertainties, but brushing them aside to give blanket approval to the original. The original Statement, which still stands as the APS position, also contains what I consider pompous and asinine advice to all world governments, as if the APS were master of the universe. It is not, and I am embarrassed that our leaders seem to think it is. This is not fun and games, these are serious matters involving vast fractions of our national substance, and the reputation of the Society as a scientific society is at stake.

          3. In the interim the ClimateGate scandal broke into the news, and the machinations of the principal alarmists were revealed to the world. It was a fraud on a scale I have never seen, and I lack the words to describe its enormity. Effect on the APS position: none. None at all. This is not science; other forces are at work.

          4. So a few of us tried to bring science into the act (that is, after all, the alleged and historic purpose of APS), and collected the necessary 200+ signatures to bring to the Council a proposal for a Topical Group on Climate Science, thinking that open discussion of the scientific issues, in the best tradition of physics, would be beneficial to all, and also a contribution to the nation. I might note that it was not easy to collect the signatures, since you denied us the use of the APS membership list. We conformed in every way with the requirements of the APS Constitution, and described in great detail what we had in mind—simply to bring the subject into the open.

          5. To our amazement, Constitution be damned, you declined to accept our petition, but instead used your own control of the mailing list to run a poll on the members’ interest in a TG on Climate and the Environment. You did ask the members if they would sign a petition to form a TG on your yet-to-be-defined subject, but provided no petition, and got lots of affirmative responses. (If you had asked about sex you would have gotten more expressions of interest.) There was of course no such petition or proposal, and you have now dropped the Environment part, so the whole matter is moot. (Any lawyer will tell you that you cannot collect signatures on a vague petition, and then fill in whatever you like.) The entire purpose of this exercise was to avoid your constitutional responsibility to take our petition to the Council.

          6. As of now you have formed still another secret and stacked committee to organize your own TG, simply ignoring our lawful petition.

          APS management has gamed the problem from the beginning, to suppress serious conversation about the merits of the climate change claims. Do you wonder that I have lost confidence in the organization?

          I do feel the need to add one note, and this is conjecture, since it is always risky to discuss other people’s motives. This scheming at APS HQ is so bizarre that there cannot be a simple explanation for it. Some have held that the physicists of today are not as smart as they used to be, but I don’t think that is an issue. I think it is the money, exactly what Eisenhower warned about a half-century ago. There are indeed trillions of dollars involved, to say nothing of the fame and glory (and frequent trips to exotic islands) that go with being a member of the club. Your own Physics Department (of which you are chairman) would lose millions a year if the global warming bubble burst. When Penn State absolved Mike Mann of wrongdoing, and the University of East Anglia did the same for Phil Jones, they cannot have been unaware of the financial penalty for doing otherwise. As the old saying goes, you don’t have to be a weatherman to know which way the wind is blowing. Since I am no philosopher, I’m not going to explore at just which point enlightened self-interest crosses the line into corruption, but a careful reading of the ClimateGate releases makes it clear that this is not an academic question.

          I want no part of it, so please accept my resignation. APS no longer represents me, but I hope we are still friends.

          Hal

          Harold Lewis is Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of California, Santa Barbara, former Chairman; Former member Defense Science Board, chmn of Technology panel; Chairman DSB study on Nuclear Winter; Former member Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards; Former member, President’s Nuclear Safety Oversight Committee; Chairman APS study on Nuclear Reactor Safety Chairman Risk Assessment Review Group; Co-founder and former Chairman of JASON; Former member USAF Scientific Advisory Board; Served in US Navy in WW II; books: Technological Risk (about, surprise, technological risk) and Why Flip a Coin (about decision making)

          • Iggy Dalrymple

            A global warmist calls us doubters every vile name under the sun and you choose to moderate the words of a former professor of physics at Univ of Calif, Santa Barbera.

            Professor Hal Lewis was a charter member of the American Physical Society. He spoke in a very civil tone.

            He resigned in protest after 67 years of membership.

            • http://www.e-catworld.com admin

              I just approved it, Iggy.

              • Iggy Dalrymple

                Thank you.

          • Roger Bird

            Very interesting. I couldn’t stop reading it.

            I trust that it was not an attempt to prove that AGW is true, which is now moot. But it does show how screwed up science has become in the face of massive government spending. Our technology and thought has become vastly superior, but our nimbleness has become very impaired.

        • AlainCo

          In facts LENR and AGW are similar and symmetric.
          AGW like LENR-denial have good theoretical foundation, but facts don’t match.

          that is all. Mainstream theory don’t work, in both case.

          In both case nature does not obey the model.

          “Et pourtant, elle tourne” (about Earth).

    • GreenWin

      To be more accurate many who know LENR to be a viable new form of green, abundant energy, have questioned why it has been so vehemently opposed. Opposed not just by fossil interests, but hot fusionists, fission-interests AND climate alarmists. Why??

      The same supporters of LENR for the most have no opposition to the unremarkable statement climate changes. They have a problem with catastrophic human-caused climate change; especially based on CO2. Two VERY different beasts.

      Interesting too that the one mainstream media outlet that has reported positively on cold fusion, also questions AG-W: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/05/30/global-warming-alarmists-caught-doctoring-97-percent-consensus-claims/

      • Roger Bird

        Although the Forbes article warms my heart, it is still moot.

      • fortyniner

        The ‘warmist’ position is now one that is almost completely based on faith. It’s interesting that followers of this faith are very often also believers in the sc*m hypothesis as this applies to cold fusion, Rossi in particular.

        While more rational minds abandon an idea when accumulated evidence shows it to be false, there seems to be a particular mindset that is unable to move on, and which forms a ‘rump’ that continues to believe, in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence. Any student psychologists reading – this is dissertation material!

        • GreenWin

          Peter, I agree, the psychology is indicative of a heretofore unknown species of obstinance. One that appears to meet the criterion of Leon Festinger’s theory:

          “…which states that a powerful motive to maintain cognitive consistency can give rise to irrational and sometimes maladaptive behavior.”

          Festinger may not have considered a deeper pathology in this behavior – parasitic survival. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8520537

          You are far better educated in this field; your comments?

          • fortyniner

            Festinger is obviously correct. This seems to be an extension of the fact that many people will rewrite memories or misinterpret facts subconsciously in order to continue to be ‘right’. Almost by definition, non-rational information processing is maladaptive.

            The parasite parallels seem to be quite striking.

            (Referring to the paper) As well as the defensive mechanism that Camus et al. refer to, I’ve always been fascinated by ‘control’ mechanisms exerted by certain well-adapted parasites on their hosts. For instance, Candida albans (intestinal yeast) can induce cravings for carbs (which it needs) in the host, some streptococci can induce localised sweating in dogs and humans (and probably many other host species) to supply moisture, and others can induce acute neural stimulation that results in intense scratching behaviour that causes skin wounds that the bacteria can move into.

            Perhaps there are parallels there too…

            • fortyniner

              Should be C. albicans.

            • GreenWin

              Thanks Peter, fascinating.

        • AlainCo

          Roland Benabou describe well that desperate need to avoid a sad reality, that you cannot escape because of the deluded community.

    • Roger Bird

      Anyway, I am not an AGW denialists. I am an evidence affirmer, and computer models don’t count as evidence, particularly those that are written by AGW advocates and which cannot even predict the past properly.

      Oh, dang!!! Here was go again. I will not respond to any more comments about AGW. For me, that argument is moot, thanks to the reality of LENR. (And Al Gore mentioning LENR is not evidence for LENR. If anything, it is evidence that it is wrong to try to paint someone with one color.)

    • psi

      Please refrain from pejorative labels like “denialist.” Otherwise I may be forced to call you a GIGOist. : )

      The only relevant distinction is that in the minds of many, such as Gore, a belief in anthropogenic GW provides an additional motive for hoping that LENR is real. There are many other reasons for the same hope, obviously. But if you are seeking to discredit confidence in the LENR phenomenon with labels like “denialist” then that is not the respect Kim asked for nor is it even, as they say in Britain, “cricket.” All readers of this site must be aware that Gore’s warming towards LENR is based on substantive science.

      Even if we are not convinced, we have read the evidence and know, at the very least, that it possesses probative and heuristic value. And whether one agrees or disagrees with his stance on GW, Gore’s participation in the growing community of those who are following the development of LENR, should only be encouraged and welcomed by this community — just as we might Rand Paul, even if we didn’t agree with all of his politics. As Caliban very eloquently puts it in the bard’s Tempest, “thought is free.” He’s right.

      Respect,

      Psi

    • Warthog

      No cognitive dissonance at all. Support of good science (as opposed to “groupthink”) in both cases. The climate is warming…..very slightly (although said warming has not occurred in the last 16 years), as it has done since the close of the last Ice Age. Man’s impact on said warming…..miniscule.

      The hysteria about “Anthropogenic” Global Warming is all based on physics math models, in which MANY assumptions about feedbacks, virtually all positive, have been made.

      ALL the models completely ignore the self-modulating effect of the biosphere on climate, yet I see on an almost weekly basis reports of yet another factor that “life” has on modulating climate. We simply don’t know enough to make good predictions. Those who say they do are guilty of huge hubris.

      Note…..ASTROphysicists say we are in for global cooling, based on things happening in the sun. The sunspot cycle has been decreasing in intensity, and approaching levels similar to what existed in the “Little Ice Age”.

      • Roger Bird

        You started to argue about global warming so I stopped reading. Which part of moot don’t you understand. I think that arguing for the sake of arguing is not exactly like art of art’s sake.

        • GreenWin

          Roger, a gentle reminder that Ptolemaic thought is outdated. The universe does not revolve around Earth or its neighbors. Keep that in mind when commenting.

          • Roger Bird

            Copernican astronomy is objective. Ptolemaic astronomy is subjective. Most of the world sees astronomy in subjective terms, if not precisely Ptolemaic. Neither subjective nor objective is true. They are two ends of the illusion that came out of the Infinite Oneness, which is the only Reality.

            What were you trying to tell me? Sometimes I can be dense.

            • GreenWin

              Oneness indeed. Thereby obviating the need for voluminous commentary.

    • AlainCo

      no cognitive dissonance, in both case the mainstream use bullying against dissenters, tricks are used in mainstream papers to keep the official truth alive, peer-review is manipulated, and dissenting journals are attacked…
      Evidence are ignored, inconvenient facts are are ignored, models are abused to justify the official Truth, while they don’t explain facts.

      really AGW myth and LENR denial are alike…

      the difference is that LENR have clear evidence it is real, while AGW models have clear evidence they don’t work.
      other difference is that LENr experiment are quick to do, while climate experiment are slow and hard to replicated.

  • daniel maris

    He did invent the internet didn’t he? LOL He must know a thing or two.

    • Joel C.

      Before too long, people will claim he invented LENR. LOL

      • GreenWin

        Al will stake early LENR claim citing this interview. But where has been for the last decade??

        • fortyniner

          Enjoying his money and mansions? I would.

    • Pedro

      Urban legend… He never claimed that. Google it and you can see where this story came from.

      • psi

        Um, let me guess, the spin machine of another political party?

      • zvibenyosef

        Don’t waste your time, these people are only interested in getting in their cheap shots. They are not interested in facts.

        • Roger Bird

          And you’re not?

      • Bertuswonkel

        Internet as we know it was invented at CERN. Networks have been around for some years before someone at CERN developed the HTTP protocol. Thank god he decided to make it available for free.

        • Robert Ellefson

          The Internet existed long before the World Wide Web, which is what Tim Berners-Lee invented at CERN in the early 90s. ARPAnet was the first name of the Internet, IIRC, and it started with a handful of nodes in the US, back in the 70s. The infamous Gore misquote about “inventing” the Internet was actually in reference to legislation that he sponsored which allowed the Internet to be accessed by the general public. Prior to this, only government agencies and research institutions could join the Internet. After they opened it up, you might say it got bigger. That specific legislation is all that Gore was taking credit for when he made his famous comments.

          • Roger Bird

            Yeah, but it is fun to be a partisan and put other people down and build one’s ego with a phony identification with something bigger than one’s little self. Don’t you agree.

  • AB

    Transcript of the LENR part.

    Question: Do you think it’s important to focus on known technologies? Like nuclear that we currently have, just trying to make it better, smaller, more cost-efficient, or move in to technologies that are maybe a little bit less known. Like thorium reactors, or even beyond that, nuclear fusion.

    Gore: Well, nuclear fusion… you know that’s… most of the experts that I trust think that’s at least 50 years away. There are some very intriguing… ah… explorations of what used to be called cold fusion, it’s actually that they don’t like that term anymore, it’s still speculative but we can always hope for a breakthrough. It’s probably not smart to bet on fusion in the near term. Thorium reactors maybe so.

    • fortyniner

      Thanks.

      It doesn’t seem that Gore knows any more than anyone else who skims the internet, but at least it shows the message is spreading.

  • Roger Bird

    This just goes to show that getting hot and strident in an argument can make one spiritually ill. Now I am cheering Al Gore. 10 minutes ago if you had asked me, I would have used bad words to describe Al Gore.

    This is BIG!!!!!! I see an avalanche coming. Al Gore is not a scientist any more than I am. Notice that he said “scientists that I trust”. It is all about who you trust and why. I can’t do an LENR (or AGW) experiment in my basement. I have to trust someone. A lot of people trust Al Gore. And even if he has put his foot in his mouth with having not invented the Internet, a lot of people still trust him. A lot of people now think that LENR or cold fusion might be real.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      I trust him, but a little disappointed he is not up to date on new technologies and relies on “experts”, I thought he was one.

      • Roger Bird

        He is a politician and a publicist and a celebrity.

        • GreenWin

          Rog, you could be the next him. 🙂

          • Roger Bird

            I am not sure if that is a compliment or an insult. (:->)

            • George N

              Hey Roger and GreenWin (and Frank), thanks for maintaining the direction of the discussions of this very important site. Lenr (as you well know) has the unique opportunity to make most political disagreements mute (which was unthinkable a few years ago)

    • psi

      Roger, good on you for seeing the potential importance of this despite the politics. LENR isn’t about right or left or any of that. Perhaps we LENRists will join together, seeing in this development something that is just good for human beings, an opportunity to extend the franchise on life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for all, regardless of politics.

      • Roger Bird

        Politics and political and partisan thinking is INHERENTLY divisive, so I am not really crazy about it. It is the opposite direction that I am trying to go in, sort of like the monk that gets seduced by the village vamp saying he is against sexual lust.

  • artefact

    nice..