Professor Yeong Kim Reports Witnessing Positive Defkalion Test

Peter Gluck who runs the Ego Out blog has conducted an interview with theoretical physicist Professor Yeong E Kim of Purdue University. Kim has had a longstanding interest in cold fusion going back to the days of Pons and Fleischmann and has authored over 50 papers in the field of LENR since then. In this interview he talks about his involvement in the field over the years.

Recently he mentions that he has visited Defkalion Green Technologies in Canada at their Vancouver lab and talks about what he witnessed there:

“Recently, I had an opportunity to observe experimental runs of DGTG’s R-5 reactor carried out by their group of scientists in Vancouver. The results were positive. More importantly the results are reproducible, since there had been many positive runs with other observers so far in addition to my observation. This is very significant historically since we have now a device which yields reproducible results for the first time. It is a break-through which we have been waiting for.
The break-through is accomplished by new comers, new breed of scientists and engineers lead by a mathematician who became an excellent scientist. This is a new wave and new paradigm change.”

Dr. Kim states that what he witnessed with Defkalion has left him optimistic about the state of LENR research and he says he intends to collaborate with them. Defkalion is scheduled to present a paper at the ICCF-18 conference this summer at the University of Missouri, and may also be presenting at the NI week in Austin Texas this summer. It would be good to get more information about the testing that Dr. Kim witnessed.

  • Allan

    Off topic, but just a thought.
    Shouldn’t a control system that requires addition of power to function be more certifiable than one that requires the addition of power to keep from melting down?

  • Roger Bird

    I am reminded of a TV show named “A Gifted Man”. The show glorified MDs, so I couldn’t stand it for too long. But in it the MD met the ghost of his X-wife. He was looking at her, conversing with her, but he was convinced that he was hallucinating because as he said he was a rational person. Some people are so hung up on their mental models of how the world is and works that new observations are simply rationalized away. In the case of the Gifted Man, he said it was an hallucination and went to the library to research hallucinations. With LENR skeptics, they say that it is either incompetence or a scam or both. The worship of science and objectivity has made us so alienated from ourselves that we don’t even trust our own experience.

    In the health field, I notice that pharmaceutical companies raise the bar for what constitutes evidence so much so that only they can afford any science that proves anything. Twenty sample studies aren’t good enough for proof; it is supposedly not scientific unless there are 20,000 people in the study. Carrot juice companies can’t afford studies with 20,000 people, so they are not scientific. Pharmaceutical companies have been trying to hijack science for their own purposes, but people are fighting back, partly by noticing that Big Pharm has been raising the bar.

    The same sort of thing has happened here. Three really good experiments (one report) is not good enough because Rossi knew the testers. Never mind that Big Pharma not only knows the testers, but the testers WORK for Big Pharma, openly, and that is supposedly scientific. But I don’t see the skeptopaths going after Big Pharma. Now we have Yeong Kim saying he eyeballed the Defkalion machine puttering away. That isn’t good enough for skeptopaths. There really is no point in conversing with a skeptopath. No matter what you say, no matter how cleverly you say it, no matter what fabulous links you provide, it won’t make any difference.

    • Kim

      Its called scientific religious priesthood.

      Respect
      Kim

    • fortyniner

      Roger, have you read this article by Jon Rappoport – it should make your blood boil: http://www.health-answers.co.uk/articles/the_evil_of_the_medical_cartel.htm

      • Roger Bird

        My blood has been boiling for decades. People ask me if I have a doctor, or “who is your primary care physician”. My blood boils at that question. If I am with a like minded person, like my Chinese practitioner of traditional Chinese medicine, I just say, “me”. She thought at first that that was a Chinese name. Then she saw that I was pointing at myself. I am living proof that 90% of all doctors are not necessary.

      • Roger Bird

        I have read the whole thing: http://www.health-answers.co.uk/articles/the_evil_of_the_medical_cartel.htm I have been saying for years that the FDA’s top brass should be arrested for crimes against humanity. Everyone should read this and then fire their doctor and hire themselves as their doctor and start studying health. It is not rocket science.

    • zvidenyosef

      Ever since I read a statement from a Defkalion spokesperson that they had opened up the Rossi ecat and discovered Rossis secret, I have not trusted this company. If they believe it is Ok to steal other peoples intellectual property, then they cannot be trusted. I hope that Rossi sues them out of existence.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Lets not forget this about Defkalion….. The quote below is from the 11/29/2011 article in Ny Teknik written by Mats Lewan quoting Alexandros Xanthoulis, President of Defkalion :
    “- Let’s say I have Rossi’s formula, but I do not say it officially. My scientists have found a way to accomplish it. They need three months. I know what is in the reactor. I know everything. It was done with spectroscopy at Siena University of Padova (…) They tested the reactor without [Rossi] knew what they were doing, he continued.”

    • khawk

      This seems so significant. If Defkalion really does have something positive going on with their reactor then they are going to have to eventually pay for taking the secret sauce from Rossi. They have clearly implicated themselves for the entire world to see. I guess it depends on what type of paperwork / contracts were in place in case something like this happened. The only reason we have contracts is if one or both parties don’t perform, get greedy and /or go rogue.

      • sempervivum

        But Rossi stated publically “it a million to one chance” that anyone could have come up with his formulae. Is this a clue in itself, it seems to indicate that he stumbled serendipitously on something so remarkable in his experimentation that it astonished even his good self.

        • khawk

          Did he state that after the Defkalion clandestine spectroscopy statement was published? You may also not be very far off with the serendipity slant.

          • AlainCo

            the claim of defkalion about rossi sauce have been that they tried his method (thermal shock), which was documented since long, and they found it not working reliably.

            so they did something else.

            It seems coherent with rossi problems to control his animal.

        • Bernie Koppenhofer

          I think there is legal action pending, Rossi suing Defkalion. That is why Rossi will not say anything about Defkalion.

          • khawk

            Good observation – he is keeping quiet on that subject. In fact, he is being quite the gentleman if you really think about it.

  • Thinks4Self

    I am going to make one more plea to all the readers out there to sign the White House petition http://wh.gov/SyJC

    We are up to 93 signatures now 57 more and it gets published on the White House website. With the US Senate beginning to look at the US support of hot fusion in more detail, having that petition become visible will likely add fodder for the political bloggers. In turn spreading the news of the Ecat, LENR, Rossi and the treatment of Pons and Fleischman to new circles. Please sign if you haven’t and if you are in the habit of playing Johnny Appleseed with LENR information on the web to please drop the link into your posts until the 19th.

    My goal with the petition has always been more to spread the news of the new fire than get the government to actually do something. Thanks for reading my rant one more time.

    • Martin Leonard

      +1

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Thinks4Self…Ok I have signed, now would you confirm to me you have written your elected officials about LENR? Thanks. (:

      • Thinks4Self

        Oh yes my reps from state level on up have heard from me and know about the petition.

        • Roger Bird

          Fortunately politicians are dependent thinkers, so they won’t believe it and they won’t get involved before it is too late for government to phuck things up.

          • Thinks4Self

            Roger if you have been following my comments for any length of time you know that I think the governments fingers are already in the pie. The Navy is going full speed ahead on their rail gun and laser projects. They wouldn’t be doing so without a way to power them. Conventional diesel generators are a operational liability due to the supply lines needed for the fuel. Fission reactors are just as unlikely due to the cost and near impossibility to retrofit the current ships. That only leaves some form of new energy technology, this has been pretty much stated by those involved with the rail gun project. SPAWAR’s experiments might have been ignored by academia due to the lack of theory on how it works. The naval brass doesn’t care how it works only if it does work. The US Navy has not been afraid of innovation, the USS Nautilus (SSN-571) is proof of that. I believe that history will show that the US Navy has had it’s hand in Rossi’s workshop for a few years now.

            • Roger Bird

              You are right. But somehow it seems like the military is not as bad as the civilian government. I know that sounds fascistic, but the military has an actual mission, but the civilian government’s main mission is to get reelected or to cover their a55e5 if they are bureaucrats.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            Roger Bird….maybe a little more faith in our representative government?

            • Roger Bird

              Bernie, I understand that I am exaggerating about the “government to phuck things up” part. But the “dependent thinkers” I will stand by. Representatives have to worry about what voters think every 2 years for their livelihood; that is the very definition of dependent thinker.

            • fortyniner

              Mmmm – that’s a rather big ask.

    • Kimball

      Still don’t see an F. A. from somewhere in the mid-west. 😉

      Peace,
      #32

      • Mick D

        Or an A. R. from Miami. :>)

    • Stephen Taylor

      +1

    • Mick D

      I signed up today making 94. I like the way it is worded. I guess if we get to 150 it goes in the list of open petitions. I signed a few others while I was there. Amazing some of the junk that has gotten 150. I know we have many readers who have not signed it.
      Go to the website and at least read it. You will want to sign it.

      • Thinks4Self

        Thanks Mick D!

    • Kimball

      Seriously, I saw a while back where someone said they didn’t want to give any personal information so they weren’t going to sign it. I said at the time, and I still say, lets all stand up and be counted.

      Still proud to be #32

    • khawk

      At present, I’m not sure I’d want anyone associated with the White House or Congress any where near LENR. They are broke and nothing they have done lately is worth a darn. The only clean energy loan or bet that has worked out of this administration was/is Telsa. Everything else has been crony capitalism and has failed to the tune of 100s of billions of US$. Let them stay asleep if that is what is going on.

    • SteveW

      O.K. I signed, #99

    • Barry

      Thanks T4Self. 93 signatures, is that all (I’m #10). Discouraging.

      • Thinks4Self

        I admit that it’s a bit disheartening, but I think it shows just how small the group we belong to is. Many of the followers of this website are from Europe and Australia. Then when you subtract out those afraid of the government, fence sitters and skeptics the pool becomes very small. I had hoped it would hit 150 quickly and then take on a life of its own once visible.

        If and when the current petition fails to become visible I’ll do a slight rewrite and spam every forum I can that deals with energy, global warming, etc. every free moment I have until it becomes visible and has enough signatures to get noticed by other circles.

        • Kimball

          Chin up T4S, we’ll get there.

        • Bruce Williams

          I am living in France but still managed to sign the petition. All you need to do is enter a Zip code, so I entered a friend’s who lives in SC.

    • NJT

      From the Rocky Mountains of Central Montana, I sgned the petition on June 3rd. I will now twist another few arms around here…

  • Roger Bird

    This is what I am talking about:

    http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/226898

    Check out the first comment near the bottom and read it and repeat it elsewhere with your own words and links. Otherwise we are just mental masturbating and patting each other on the back.

  • Obamot

    Thanks for sharing this, BUT…:

    The scientist community absolutely don’t care this “Comédie en vaudeville” of testing.

    We only care if this process work or not. But all this showoff prove that is not. Because only what all the tests reveal, is only an exothermic catalysis. Btw to produce copper from nickel in a reaction, it is necessary to break the nickel atom, good luck to get there. This requires that collossal amount of energy what this reactor can’t produce. Period.

    I know this message would be ereased, like many others what criticized this pseudo theory of pseudo-science, but that also we don’t care.

    • Roger Bird

      Obamot, you are not paying attention. Your post will not be erased. Everyone here is smarter than I am, and I am the smartest person I know in the flesh. All we care about is whether it works, and we don’t care about theories.

  • GreenWin

    It is gratifying to see more independent environmental sites carry E-Cat’s good news. Since the environmental movement adopted the climate agenda it’s been blissfully ignorant of non-approved alternative energy. All but solar, wind and geotherm are essentially non-approved. But here and there New Fire news arrives:

    http://bit.ly/116LJ2X

    As it should. Good news is irrepressible. The one remaining stick in the mud is Mr. Kirvit, who as Jed Rothwell noted, has climbed into his panic room and pulled up the ladder. It is a bit like watching poor Salieri, consumed by jealous rage, scheme to claim a place as divine composer.

    http://bit.ly/116LODP

    It is dramatic if sad to see Judisian behavior from so ardent a disciple.

    • georgehants

      Krivit and mary are like the unhealthy people who commit terrible crimes just for the notoriety.
      If you cannot achieve anything positive that is difficult to do then the easy way to become “famous” is to do the complete opposite, do things destructive that of course anybody could do.
      Best to just ignore such aberrations although is a lesser way they are very common.

    • georgehants

      GreenWin if you are referring to Judas then his secret gospel, now available, having escaped the Vatican censors, sheds a whole new light on his role in the possible saga.

    • georgehants

      GreenWin you said —–
      I enjoy your remarks and hope one day to better understand your social vision.——
      Two possibilities
      1, you jump on the bus to the U.K. and over a few bottles of wine we talk it through.
      2, because the subject is large and easily sidetracked you agree to slowly over time just respond to my questions in a courtroom way with yes or no until I have covered the basics, when you can fully explain to me slowly why I am Wrong, Ha.
      What do you think 🙂

      • GreenWin

        The second option is a bit frightening in as much as I dislike appearing in courtrooms. And I do not think you wrong in your vision, probably just ahead of the rest of us.

    • Thinks4Self

      It is so surreal to me to see Krivit acting the way he is. It was his coverage of Rossi’s early tests that started me following Rossi and the Ecat. I stumbled upon his website while killing time, he was so very supportive then. The 180 reversal without any seemingly real reason makes me wonder at his mental state or if the rumors of him getting caught attempting to steal some of Rossi’s powder are true.

      • AB

        Krivit has a history of viciously attacking LENR researchers that report experiments or opinions in conflict with the Widom-Larsen theory.

      • Barry

        I posted before, a friend of mine wrote an article in an opinion page in our small town newspaper about a year ago. Krivit called him on the phone twice trying to discredit Rossi. Makes you wonder why someone would go through all that effort. He’s so hellbent on being an obstructionist. Maybe he should run for congress.

      • bang

        Mr. Krivit has the advantage of being really near to Rossi’s device in real life. And he saw this small stream of steam comming from the running LT E-Cat. A very small stream of steam. Comparable to a 700 W device, producing/boiling hot water.
        You can see that on the video on his website. It’s free to see, you do not need a subscription.
        IMHO this life presentation made him turnaround 180 reversal.
        What things or interests he else does have in mind …
        I dont’t know.

        • LCD

          No way Bang. That could not have been enough to do it. He had already made up his mind THERE at Rossi’s place that Rossi was guilty, without the benefit of analyzing the video many days afterwards and concluding it was comparable to a 700W device.
          We know this because he grilled Levi and told him that if he didn’t rat out Rossi that he would go after him too.

  • georgehants

    From AP
    Nuclear plant closures shows industry’s struggles
    LOS ANGELES (AP) — The decision to close California’s San Onofre nuclear plant is the latest setback for an industry that had seemed poised to grow.
    In Wisconsin, a utility shuttered its plant last month after it couldn’t find a buyer. In Florida – and now California – utilities decided it’s cheaper to close plants rather than spend big money fixing them and risk the uncertainty of safety reviews.
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NUCLEAR_FUTURE?SECTION=HOME&SITE=AP&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

  • georgehants

    Engineering News
    Interest in LENR device resurges as independent report is released
    By: Jeremy Wakeford
    Last year I wrote two columns about develop- ments in the field of low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) technologies. After a relatively quiet few months, with no major news, May yielded a resurgence of interest with the publication of an apparently independent third-party evaluation of Italian entrepreneur Andrea Rossi’s energy catalyser (E-Cat) device.
    http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/interest-in-lenr-device-resurges-as-independent-report-is-released-2013-06-07

  • theNeverKings

    Hi.

    I recently became aware of A.Rossi/DGT/LENR whilst reading a post on climate issues. I will confess to being quietly excited about what I have been able gleen from the plethora of positive/negative material available online. I WANT it to be authentic! It would seem to be the “right” point in history for the introduction of such technology. A kind of “This changes everything!” moment?

    • Owen

      Yes, you got it. LENR is real. Stay here and keep reading for more details. It’s totally fascinating.

    • AB

      Yes. LENR could solve many of our problems. It has the potential to be a real game changer and that makes it exciting. Unfortunately LENR has credibility problems as you surely have noticed. Most of the naysayers are uninformed though.

    • Curbina

      Hello theNeverKings, interesting to hear such a fresh comment, as this forum is rather polarized between “believers” and “naysayers”, so a newcomer is always wellcome with a fresh perspective. You might want to knoe that LENR is real science in spite of the attempts to stablish the contrary. The problem is that LENR, at least at the scientifical level, has proven to be hard to reproduce and control, but there is an increasing success in the replication and independent replication, even at the open source level. Then the commercial endeavours of Rossi and DGT are subject of controversy because they claim total control and usable energy outputs, but as they are in the commercial phase, and for alleged secrecy until a patent is granted reasons, there is not a reproducible and independent replication by third parties. There is, however, independent validation, at least in the case of Rossi, and good comments from skilled scientists, in the case of DGT.
      You must bear in mind that LENR at a commercial level is a disruptive technology, meaning that it’s adoption would mean the unavoidable end of the current paradigm in energy industry, so you can understand why the subject is so controversial, and you need to double and triple check any opinion either favorable or against it.

      • AlainCo

        In fact the lack of control is less and less true, and like for the first planes, or the first transistors, is linked to competence and obedience to others experience.

        Longchampt of CEA Grenoble (Atomic Energi instritue in france – serious boring guys like Spawar/NRL/EPRI/Elforsk/Mitsubishi/Toyota/CNAM… not funny like SRI, Tsinghua, NASA, MIT, Caltech 😉 )
        have replicated F&P experiment… like many, but his work is really a replication, not a re-experiment like usual scientists do

        see that thread http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?419-Calorimetry-quality-comparison-by-Miles
        by the way it destroy the credibility of key critical experiments (no need to that anyway, since a failure give no data, but critics often ignore scientific method).

        Defkalion have done a rough test, and beside criticizing a previous test by Rossi for lack of freedom, recognized being free to test Defkalion reactor … the COP of 3 is modest and not so precise, but what I notice first is the freedom.
        http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?686-Defkalion-GT-announces-test-results
        The story is confirmed by Gibbs having called Nelson.

        about hard to control it is becomming better, as ENEA show, and more and more factors are known
        http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?616-ENEA-paper-ICCF15-(2009)-Cristallography-conditions

        beforte enea, in 1997, ed storms have published a manual for experiment to replicate cold fusion
        http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?1590-Ed-Storms-How-to-Produce-the-Pons-Fleischmann-Effect

        NB: lenr-forum is down, probably after a botnet attack. MFMP site is flooded by a bot too. be careful for ECW and alike…

        • Roger Bird

          “Server Not Found” Undoubtedly part of the conspiracy, I’m sure. (sarcasm)

          • AlainCo

            no, finally just a maintenance … but there is spambots as usual… no conspiracy, just coincidence… up in few hours.

        • Curbina

          Well Alain, we keep bumping in these forums, 😉
          Anyway I agree with you completely, I was just trying to give our new friend a more distant look. You are pretty on top of this.
          Regards!!!

    • Roger Bird

      Perhaps I am the one who alerted you. I have been dropping copy and paste comments all over the climate change blogosphere.

  • Morgan

    anyone know if this is related to LENR? – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWO93G-zLZ0

    • artefact

      it is not related. If fusion occurs when the bubble collapses it is locally hot fusion with lots of heat in a very small spot.

    • Roger Bird

      It is related only in the sense that it punches holes in the hot fusionists idea that their way is the only way.

  • georgehants

    Cold Fusion research in the area that it all happens.
    —–
    Science News
    Quantum Teleportation Between Atomic Systems Over Long Distances
    June 6, 2013 — Researchers have been able to teleport information from light to light at a quantum level for several years. In 2006, researchers at the Niels Bohr Institute succeeded in teleporting between light and gas atoms. Now the research group has succeeded in teleporting information between two clouds of gas atoms and to carry out the teleportation — not just one or a few times, but successfully every single time.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130606140844.htm
    —–
    Couple of quotes below from a true scientist, not as today it would read for many in that profession —-
    I am so important that Every “opinion” I give is like God speaking to you.
    Don’t question anything just follow like sheep every pronouncement by your high priests.
    Scientists are not expected to THINK if we give you a degree in how to light a bunson burner then you can forever close your mind and live off the taxpayers welfare.
    —–
    “We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question that divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct.”
    Bohr
    —–
    “Every sentence I utter must be understood not as an affirmation, but as a question.”
    Niels Bohr

  • georgehants
  • georgehants

    In My “humble” opinion the quality of comments for the last two days has been Wonderful.
    I am sure many will quickly jump in and say that’s because I have not put much on page. Ha.
    Good to see discussion of all the effects of Cold Fusion and especially the comments on WHY human nature allows the World to continue in such an unfair and shambolic condition.
    When I get Mr GreenWin to start using his great Wisdom to incorporate his important incentive feelings from capitalism into a completely new system that is based solely on production and efficient return for man hours worked without profit or finance, then my day will brighten even more.

    • Bob

      Hey that would make him eligible to apply for for Dick Smiff’s Wiberforce Award. I bet Mr G Win is right onto it.
      He’s probably got his application in already.
      Although maybe he put one in and was rejected and that’s why he’s so sour on it all.

      • GreenWin

        Hi Bob, I have to admit, I have missed opportunity to win the BeWilderforce Prize – probably due to disparaging remarks. Since the prize focuses on Paul Erlich-like population fears, I am not a prime contestant. History shows live births decline inverse to standard of living rise. So, I see New Fire able to lift billions from poverty and slow population growth. The social science is fairly well established.

        • georgehants

          GreenWin, hey I hope you did not think mine was a “disparaging remark” as it was written in fun with fun respect. 🙂

          • GreenWin

            Absolutely not George. I’ve been hard on Dick Smith. I enjoy your remarks and hope one day to better understand your social vision. 🙂

            • georgehants

              Wow, thanks, I don’t mind upsetting a few apple carts when deserved but there are on page some super guys with deep insight that even when they are a little in error, Ha, I will always look at very seriously. 🙂

        • Roger Bird

          And LENR+ will help people not be so crowded around the sea and rivers, and this will help reduce the feeling of over crowding.

  • Jim

    Say you’re the manager of a state owned utility. The Plan says that you need to install 50,000 MW per year.

    You read a report in Nature that provides incontrovertible evidence for the existence of commercially viable LENR.

    When do you stop the initiation of new coal fired plant construction?

    • Omega Z

      You carry on & incorporate the new tech into future plans as it becomes available.

      Life goes on & there will be no pause or stop.
      I would only hope they would put an immediate hold on any new Nuclear plants being planned. They have long term repercussion.

      • Roger Bird

        There is technology available that would have greatly reduced the nuclear waste problem and created a lot of power for social good. There is a TED talk about it. But since I thought in very general terms along these lines years ago, and since the new technology is not rocket science, and since the new technology is orders of magnitude simpler than current nuclear power plants, I have to think that the nuclear power industry is so set in it’s ways that nuclear waste was never really problem. The Nuclear Power Industry in it’s infinite lack of flexibility was the problem. And again, we trusted the experts too much.

    • GreenWin

      Immediately. New centralized power plants should be natural gas. Before ordering a construction halt you would need an alternative plan for a portion of the 50GW. LENR Distributed Energy Resources could potentially replace 10% of the total given a two year construction cycle starting 2014.

      Fortunately, some increasingly savvy Senators in the US Congress may be catching on; they have called DOE on carpet and ordered GAO to investigate the ITER welfare program:

      http://www.law360.com/articles/441793/sens-blast-doe-budget-over-nuclear-project-concerns

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Good news, ITER is such a stupid approach. If chemist can’t get two reagents to react they just don’t keep increasing the temperature and pressure forever, they look for a catalyst that will lower the energy of activation. And that’s just what F&P did (they were chemists by the way).

        • Alan DeAngelis

          PdD2 > AgD* > Cd* > Pd + He 23.8 MeV (no gamma rays)

          Palladium is not consumed( i.e. a catalyst).

          • Alan DeAngelis

            The palladium-deuterium bonds (and silver-deuterium bonds) are “soft” polarizable bonds according to HSAB theory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSAB_theory Perhaps vibrating these bonds with the right radio frequencies could bring the palladium and deuterium nuclei (and silver-deuterium nuclei) close enough to react.

            • Alan DeAngelis

              P.S. I should have said electromagnetic frequencies, specifically the infrared stretching frequencies of the Pd-D and Ag-D bonds.

    • georgehants

      Good thread.

    • Joe Shea

      It’s tragic that Andrea Rossi has hamstring himself with all his NDAs and secrecy, why Defkalion, which probably has a far less powerful device, is hitting NI Week and the big ICCF-18 conference, where Rossi will be a no-show. He need a PR manager in the worst way, and to resort his priorities.

      • khawk

        Remember that Defkalion said they “borrowed” Rossi’s formula and you are right about Rossi needing some PR help. How Def does at NI Week and ICCF is going to be very telling. If they are real the the pathoskeps are going to have a hard time getting a word in edge wise.

        • Owen

          ..”the pathoskeps are going to have a hard time getting a word in edge wise.”

          I’m looking forward to that. It’s the digital equivalent of stuffing a sock in their mouth.

          • NJT

            An old stinky sock I hope…

    • Blanco69

      Agreed, however you adjust the useful life of any generation assets to make sure they depreciate faster than normal. You don’t want to be left with high value generation assets on your balance sheet when the ecat arrives. They will become worthless quite quickly. In my view, this is one of main reasons that the UK government can’t find anyone to build a nuclear plant any more. EDf are looking for a guaranteed payback of over £100 per MWh for at least 20 years. If DECC are doing their job then they’ll be recommending that the Gov walk away from that one.

      • fortyniner

        It was reported in a local paper that a ‘provisional’ strike price has been agreed: “..in the past two weeks, the Government and the power company have provisionally agreed a subsidy level of between £93 and £95 for each megawatt hour generated by the reactors, almost twice the wholesale market price.” The guaranteed commitment to this ludicrous ‘strike price’ is supposed to last for an amazing 40 years.

        However this was denied by a govt. spokesman, andit seems probable that the agreement was supposed to be a secret, so they are back-pedalling because of the potential adverse public reaction to such news (and its illegality under EU subsidy rules).

    • Zedshort

      I must confess to ignorance as to what level such decisions are made. I doubt that a manager at the level of running a coal fired plant would do it. The process of switching over would proceed by someone adapting LENR to generate steam of such a quality that it could be passed through a turbine to produce electrical power. It would probably have to be at least 1 MW electric output to catch the attention of manufacturers, like Babcock & Wilcox, of steam driven power plants. They would only have to design a new heat exchanger and eliminate all the combustion part of the cycle. Everything downstream would remain the same. I suspect the industry will go stumbling along for some time before they finally open their sleep encrusted eyes.

      • NJT

        Yes Zedshort, that will likely be the first baby steps that will ease this LENR technology into the market place. After that it will not be long before we see the home devices becoming available – then the real disruptive show begins. Of course that will take many years of market penetration, so there is time for the present energy leaders to adapt, if they are smart enough to act soon?

  • Dr. Mike

    Good to see that a fellow Boilermaker (Dr. Kim) is at the forefront of LENR! With such a distinguished observer of Defkalion’s positive results how can any one question the potential for LENR? Consider the fact that Defkalion’s device is quite different from Rossi’s and yet both have demonstrated far more positive results than ever have been achieved in controlled “hot fusion”. I have to belief that we are only in the “Model T” era of LENR. As LENR theory evolves look for both rapidly improving LENR devices and the use of LENR as a new power source for many existing devices.

  • Sanjeev

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Zq8s_McOiqk#t=1319s

    Tomas Campbell describes his experience of trying to convince established science of his new theory. It mirrors too much with LENR’s case, so I decided to post it here just for amusement and for those who can understand why there is so much denial of such an interesting phenomenon as lenr.

    In his case, the big shots won’t even take a look at his book and journals won’t publish anything because it must be impossible. Many scientists did significant studies of anomalous phenomena with top notch quality experiments, producing undeniable results, but the “mainstream” guys simply ignore the results and stick to their old simple world views.

    Not only scientists, the governments, the mass media, the corporations and general public behaves in similar ways. It looks like a conspiracy to an uninitiated person, but its just simple human nature. Its utterly difficult to push something new in this world.

    The above link will start the video at relevant portion.

    • Kim

      I believe you are correct about human behavior.

      People charish thier belief systems.

      The human behavior is conditioned.

      The conditioning is a conspiracy, and on going
      from birth.

      How to teach a newborn the proper believe system

      Respect
      Kim

    • Mark

      Does anyone know if Defkalion has applied for any patents on their technology? I am not sure if I may have missed that during my past two years following LENR. Keep up the Great work Peter and Frank.

      Thanks

      • AlainCo

        not yet seen any. Even not granted they should be public 18month after application, which I assume have been done from nov2011 to summer 2012 at best… we will start to see them in few quarters.

    • Enduser

      If you want to see more on how the entrenched members of a scientific community deal with anything new that they hadn’t thought of first, read articles about the Eric Weinstein and Marcus du Sautoy’s treatment in New Scientist and Huffington Post. Their critics are saying, “Tell us first” or be damned!
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2013/may/23/roll-over-einstein-meet-weinstein

      http://blog.richmond.edu/physicsbunn/2013/05/27/728/

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-h-bailey/scientific-research_b_3340682.html

      And an apology of sorts from New Scientist.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-h-bailey/scientific-research_b_3340682.html

    • GreenWin

      You’re both far off base with regard to “simple human nature.” You write as if there is some genetic trait or human myopia driving the media blackout on LENR. No. There is only a mindset constrained by order refusing to acknowledge astonishing, disruptive evidence. To suggest this is “human nature” is specious, unknowing of human instinct.

      Otherwise we would not have evidence of media begrudgingly reporting (Bloomberg, MSNBC, Fox News) Rossi’s public demonstrations up until October 2011. Then, after Fox News queried SPAWAR’s Paul Swanson about attending the successful 1MW demo – the lights went out. What IS simple is connecting the dots. Orders differ from conspiracy in that those who follow orders are sworn to do so.

      Unlike the Wright Brothers, today we have a huge catalog of successful LENR experiments preceding the E-Cat verification. Were there one independent mainstream reporter not silenced by gag order, they would publish the E-CAT verification story. There are none, except Forbes’ blogger Gibbs and he has waffled. Real human nature is curious. There are plenty of humans who disregard gag orders as unlawful – except apparently in simulations.

      • Sanjeev

        The indifference to lenr is a worldwide issue. The news agencies and people you mentioned have no effect in the rest of the world, and are largely unknown in non-English speaking parts.

        Although there might be influential people in your country, they are tiny from a larger perspective. Never attribute to malice when stupidity is sufficient to explain something.

        • GreenWin

          About 30% of the global population speaks and reads English. Why do agencies not finish the work they began? Orders are not necessarily malicious. They are issued to maintain control. Malice comes from those who lose control.

        • Roger Bird

          Never attribute to stupidity when a difference in perspective is sufficient to explain something. My neighbor Leslie is likely just as smart as I am. Yet she has probably never heard of LENR. Does this make her stupid? No, it is a difference in perspective. If I were to try to tell her about it and she were not to accept it [which would be likely], would that be stupidity? Or even malice or even part of GreenWin’s conspiracy? No. She has a different perspective, which perspective at this time is unable to incorporate LENR into her thinking.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        GreenWin….I agree, and it is hard for me to believe it is not the big money interests including big oil that is not behind the media blackout.

        • Adam Lepczak

          It does not matter. The more blackouts they order, the more evident the malice. The truth will bubble out soon. And then what?
          http://wordspy.com/graphics/torch-and-pitchfork.jpg

          • Roger Bird

            +10 If a conspiracy exists, it doesn’t matter. If a conspiracy exists, then someone forgot to tell Forbes, oilprice.com, 60 Minutes, etc. One would think that the greatest scientific paradigm shift in the history of the world might actually take more than a month.

      • Roger Bird

        Greenwin, what you are describing is merely the manifestation of collective human nature.

        As far as whether there is a conspiracy or not, I don’t understand why NO one has ever stepped forward and admitted that they were forced to behave in such-an-such manner. Not one. That really does not ring true with my Occam meter.

        I believe that acceptance will increase very slowly for a while until more people believe, especially the Yeong Kim types. Acceptance will increase very slowly, but it will accelerate, especially as most people eyewitness it. Things like the May 2013 Report will cause jumps in the acceptance level. This is also human nature. When one company starts selling units, then it will rapidly be all over. But for now, I doubt that very few rich people even know about it, except Sidney Kimmel. I see no conspiracy, except perhaps personal conspiracies to be stupid, or what is called being deliberately daft. This is also human nature.

        Surely there are some openly skeptical people now who are feeling uncomfortable. Discomfort is a good thing for the deliberately daft.

    • georgehants

      Good thread

    • Jim

      I think that with sufficient analysis of the cause and effect network involved in science reporting that one might find a relationship between senior editors and senior scientists that functionally results in collusion to repress confrontational results. Collusion at that level would then propagate to junior editors and reporters and to mid-level and junior scientists through tacit economic coercion, i.e. if you work on that I won’t hire you/pay your salary/renew your grant.

      The core collusion between senior editors and senior scientists (with the latter including budget-controlling government bureaucrat scientists) may not be so much economic (although there is probably some movement between the professions) as it is informational and reputational, i.e. if you publish that or work on that I’ll withhold information from you and/or express doubts about you to other people, thus cutting off your economic oxygen.

      Such collusion could be perpetuated as the senior editors and scientists only allow the promotion of those who behave in like manner.

      Sigh. Another example of all sorrow being rooted in self-cherishing.

      • Jim

        Let me try that again.

        Senior science editors and senior scientists enforce conservative views on each other through the tacit (but real) threats of peer group disapproval, subtle reputation attacks and non-sharing of technical and group-network information.

        They then enforce conservative views on younger editors and reporters and younger scientists through economic coercion (no job, no raise, no grant money, etc.)

        So they don’t need “orders”, “conspiracy” or “human nature”.

        Mean people suck.

        • Roger Bird

          “Another example of all sorrow being rooted in self-cherishing.” Exactamento right freaking on!

  • SYLVIE LAMONTAGNE

    for the last 25 years,the issue of whether or not lenr canr lanr whatever youcall it.cold fusion is real and reproducible, much research has proven
    results that say it is real,considering the state of the global economy,
    now is the time to realize a new alternative energy,and a technology
    that would provide jobs with the innovation that would give us hope for the future.

    • Kim

      That is a wonderful and Awake statement you
      have made.

      Please tell everyone that we are all living a
      fabricated lie of scarcity

      Respect
      Kim

  • Roger Bird

    I have become an LENR freakazoid. I spend almost all of my time either reading about it or posting about it anywhere and everywhere that I can find.

    • Dods

      I have been following this story as well now for the good part of 3 years. I have followed all the available leads and common sense tells me after all the facts that LENR (Cold Fusion) is a reality. Just another watching this truly amazing story all unfold.

      Its the most captivating thing going on this planet right now.

      • Kim

        This will destroy the false believe system.

        Not that a believe system was wrong, its just
        it limited us and left every one with no options.

        Respect
        Kim

        • MStone

          Actually, I would like to take shattered belief systems a bit further with Rossi.

          Rossi has a secret ingredient. Rossi believes the correct theory of LENR is based on Quantum Ring Theory. The developer of QRT correctly guessed the secret ingredient inRossi’s e-cat.

          Now, you start with Quantum Mechanics. Quantum Field Theory is a revision of QM. Quantum Ring Theory is also a different revision of QM. QFT and QRT conflict.

          So, if Rossi’s device works as advertised…and his theories are correct…not only will Rossi save the world…but he will shift the theoretical world towards the obscure Quantum Ring Theory and away from the established Quantum Field Theory.

          • Robyn Wyrick

            Alright, that’s cool.

      • Roger Bird

        I am an addict.

    • Shane D.

      Roger,

      Help is now available for all LENR addicts. A twelve (12) step program has been developed specifically to wean “freakazoids” away from LENR, and redirect them back to more traditional green substances such as solar and wind.

      You have passed step one by admitting your problem. Congratulations.

      Unfortunately the program recidivism rate is high, as the patients soon discover the old stuff doesn’t give them the high that cold fusion did.

      A common statement for the drop-outs is: “what is the COP? Are you kidding? Thats below 1. Sc### that… I am out of here”.

      I would offer to be your sponsor, but I opted out myself. Good luck.

      🙂

      • artefact

        😆

      • Roger Bird

        appreciated

  • Roger Bird

    I spend much of my time today leaving LENR boosting announcements all over the Internet. Like just now I posted to two venture capital websites and I will continue doing this for the rest of today. What did you do with your spare time for the sake of the human race?

    • Kim

      I try to do the same.

      Thank you

      I do not cast perils before swine however.

      Respect
      Kim

      • Roger Bird

        I cast my pearls and never come back.

    • roseland67

      I learned the great Fenton Robinson’s Loan Me a Dime today,
      changed the key to Fm, and re-arranged it for Piano.

      1st song, 2nd set tomorrow, I hope everyone
      says to their significant other,
      “First time I heard that song I was……”
      and then they smile.

      Actually, I brought up Rossi’s work to our acquisition team,
      as disruptive technology that may effect our global business in 2014, not surprisingly, no one heard of him or his work.

    • daniel maris

      Yes, I dropped in a couple of references on an influential news forum.

      It could be the butterfly effect – it might only take one commentator to investigate and then set off a media storm.

      • Kim

        I call it the deer in the headlights look.

        We must push on and tell everyone.

        It will get progressively easier.

        Respect
        Kim

  • Fibb

    did you guys see this yet? Krivit writing the academic team that tested Rossi’s ecat…. wow.

    http://news.newenergytimes.net/2013/06/06/open-letter-to-rossis-aca

    • Fibb

      ah it was posted in the last thread.

      • Jerry Jones

        FIBB – no one is paying attention to Krivit he is a certified attention freak, who is known more as a stalker than anything else.

        • Allen

          I think Krivit has good intentions, even if he comes across as a Rossi basher. He doesn’t want people to be mislead by someone he suspects to be a fraudster.

          The reality is, nothing Krivit says about Rossi is untrue. Does that mean Rossi is a fraudster? Not necessarily. I, for one, hope not.

          It could be that Rossi was the victim of political corruption in Italy, and made to look like a fraudster. It could be that he did in fact deliver a product to a “customer.” And even if the recent “independent test” of his device was neither 100% independent nor controlled, that does not mean the technology is not as claimed.

          The reality is that the evidence is either missing entirely (e.g., the “customer”) or shaky at best. All the things that Rossi COULD have done to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that his technology is for real he has not done. These are facts.

          • glhf

            +1
            I want to believe, but that alone should never be enough to absolutely make me believe.
            There are ass wacky technologies listed on http://peswiki.com that are created by people want to believe that they’ve created something that will change the world.
            There is increasing substantial, but not quite incontrovertible evidence (IMHO) that LENR exists.
            And if it does exist, tt bothers me that Rossi is so secretive. As a comparison, if someone found what they believe to be a total cure for cancer but was waiting to secure IP rights they would be allowing the continuation of the 1500 people who die each day from the disease.

            • GreenWin

              Both BS, pseudoskeps refusing to admit the Swedish/Italian E-Cat verification team of 18 scientists and engineers is solid evidence.

              Why does Bristol Myers Squib charge huge $$ for Reyataz – life-saving antirviral medication?? Why not just give it away for free?? Please ban these repetitive manipulators.

              • Roger Bird

                Greenwin, you don’t seem to understand that everyone doesn’t think just like you and everyone doesn’t know what you know and almost no one is part of any conspiracies. When you put down people like glhf who are skeptics, you HURT our cause. It is perfectly normal and morally acceptable for people to be skeptics. It is your job to counter their ideas and not put them down. Put them down merely alienates them and makes them want to go away and tell others was a bunch of true believers and whack-jobs we are.

                • lcd

                  +1

            • Roger Bird

              You should study the cancer cures and preventatives that have WORKED but the cancer mafia will not accept them. It is the shame of the human race, and it is compounded by the stupidity and cowardice of the public that refuses to look outside the box for cancer cures. Check out “Max Gerson” and “cancer tutor”.

            • elasticbucket

              But what, after 12 months or so it was discovered a fatal flaw in the component mixture actually created greater chronic and fatal issues than it solved?
              Much better, I think, to have tenure over your discovery and then ask for assistance, instead if implementing an “untested” product on the public.
              I believe there would be many helping hands to benefit the products life at the same time assisting the “helpers” with their various agendas, and a much better and reliable product would possibly evolve given the right atmosphere.

          • LCD

            No Krivit has crossed the line on several occasions. I use to think he too had good intentions. Now I think he believes he is God.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            Krivit has an agenda and it is not to introduce the use LENR as an energy source. It is the opposite and to make money while doing it.

            • khawk

              I think that Bernie is on to something and continue to wonder what / who is feeding Krivit’s mission. His attacks lack integrity – something is wrong with this guy or he is being paid by special interest (or maybe a competitor) as a teardown artist. Guess the truth will come out one day.

              • Roger Bird

                And when the truth comes out, Krivit will be ruined.

    • Roger Bird

      You’re a stronger man than I am, Fibb. I can’t stomach that garbage. I don’t suppose you could give a synopsis for those of us who can’t get through Krivit’s 5H1T.

      • Fibb

        no thanks… once was too much… blecht… that guy has issues

        • GreenWin

          OT but germane, the pathoscep is deeply angry, compulsively so. The Pop-eye/JoshCud character was banished from Vortex due to this behavior. Kirvit is a corrupted operator.

    • Jordi Heguilor

      The academics that validated the Rossi Hot-cat paper and now Defkalions demonstration must be praying that they would not be exposed as fools like the academics that validated Uri Gellers claims.

      • Jim

        diverting incompatible analogy

        rhetorical manipulator

        • GreenWin

          +4

        • Ben

          If I recall correctly, Geller was studied by scientists at close range for a long time, and he had them totally fooled with his sleight of hand moves. Superficially, Geller and Rossi have a similar situation. Rossi has had a lot of control over the environment where the testing (that we have been able to see) has been done.

          • GreenWin

            Ben, kindly present your evidence or are you calling the scientists who authored the report liars?

          • Roger Bird

            Ben, does your thinking include the context of a very credible independent individual eyewitnessing Defkalion and Brillouin with their very credible Mike McKubre? My Occam aches at the thought.

        • Jordi Heguilor

          Sorry, Jim, but the analogy is good. Geller had no problem hoodwinking scientists (who became “believers” in his supernatural problems, but failed miserably at Johnny Carson’s program, because JC had been a stage magician and would not be fooled.

    • Robyn Wyrick

      I read the open letter. I think Krivit is a careful writer, but this breakdown of the weaknesses of the tests were surprisingly weak. i really expected to see something compelling, but there was nothing there. Interesting. I think the testers will be unimpressed.

  • Ben

    What I fear is how ugly the response will be from the PTB once enough of them understand what’s happening. I just read a bunch of books by Upton Sinclair (most famous for “The Jungle”) from about a century ago. Though the characters were fictional, the essense was real, and I was amazed and how organized and cruel these big buisiness conglomerates were back then. The books I read covered the meat packing industry, Wall Street bankers, the railroads, the coal and oil industries, and the corruption of the politicians who are bought by them. Though some of the big players have changed over time, you have to wonder to what end they will go to preserve their dominance. What will the fossil fuel giants do? In a matter like this, they will join forces to squash the technology, once they perceive the threat. Together they have hundreds of billions, if not many trillions of dollars at their disposal. Are there kooks at the top of our military (-industrial complex) who will view this new technology as a threat to American military dominance? Etc, etc.

    • Jim

      Too much competition for monopolistic squashing to be successful

      The squashees slip through the cracks of the squashing mechanism and end up working down the block at higher pay

    • GreenWin

      Keep in mind that the Naval Research Lab and their SPAWAR division has produced some of the most incontrovertible evidence for LENR there is. NRL is represented on Rossi’s Board of Advisers.

      • Roger Bird

        Yes, the bits about the micro-holes in the plastic is quite compelling.

    • fortyniner

      Undoubtedly this is a topic close to the top of the agenda for this year’s Bilderberg meeting in the UK, and decisions taken there will shape a coordinated response by the PTB. There will be some gainers as well as losers. The trick will be to spin out the transition long enough to allow time to withdraw with minimised losses from losing sectors such as nuclear fission (all components except waste management) and coal mining.

      • GreenWin

        Agreed Peter. And I expect oil and gas to see the opportunity to exploit low low cost LENR process heat (eg fracking) before the petro bubble bursts (ala Lord Stern’s stranded asset warning.)

        Ultra cheap electric will rapidly drive the light transport sector to EV/PHEV. As petro demand decreases, low cost process heat will help offset contracting refineries.

      • Roger Bird

        Oooow, I am so afraid of those mean ol’ Bilderbergs. I feel so helpless in the face of those mean ol’ Bilderbergs.

  • Deleo77

    This seems like a big deal, because Kim is a respected scientist from a strong engineering university who has made contributions to LENR research. I don’t really feel that this is any less of a big deal than Rossi’s 3rd party report. Do others agree?

    I wonder who is going to win this race between DGT and Rossi. DGT has previously said that there is a flaw in Rossi’s design that they have corrected. Correct?

    • daniel maris

      It’s less of a deal because it sounds like he was just taking a look at the machine in operation without testing or monitoring it in any way.

      However, it’s important.

      • LCD

        +1

    • Roger Bird

      I definitely agree that the Kim observation is about .95 of the recent E-Cat report. (We really should give it a proper name. Soon “third party test” won’t mean much. How about the “May 2013 E-Cat report”?) And given that the Kim observation confirms the May 2013 E-Cat report as far as the reality of LENR+, I’ll up that grade to a 1.1 of the May report.

      • fortyniner

        Perhaps ‘Elforsk Report’ or ‘Levi Report’?

        • Roger Bird

          And what happens when there is another Elforsk and/or Levi report?

  • Robyn Wyrick

    This is a good story.

    I find it interesting because of the 3rd party report, which establishes beyond any doubt that Rossi is not delusional.

    The 3rd party report does leave open the question of whether Rossi is committing an elaborate and exceptional fraud.

    However, stories about Defkalion, Calani, MFMP, Brillouin, etc., make the probability of a Rossi fraud pretty hard to swallow. Particularly Defkalion.

    So, what that leaves us with is a “first-to-market” technology race of outrageous consequence.

    The blogosphere is ripe for hyperbole, suspicion, conspiracy theory, and the like; so it is fine that we are all sniping at each other.

    However, big-money/big-power interests cannot afford to be blindsided by disruptive technologies. As we have seen with Google, Amazon, and the like, disruptive technologies certainly do blindside, but in the thick of it, the Fortune 500 / Dow Jones companies are more intact than disrupted.

    So I am of the opinion that, while LENR is certainly radically disruptive, the giant power that mostly runs the industries of the world will “mostly” continue to run the industries of the world AFTER LENR.

    So I think they are paying attention. I think it is no coincidence that Forbes’ Mark Gibbs is reporting positively on the E-Cat, but Pop-Sci is not. Forbes must get the important news out to the people who need it. Pop-Sci doesn’t.

    My only regret (aside from the fact that it takes so long for this to come to fruition) is that I don’t have the investing savvy to take advantage of a story like this.

    • Fibb

      Nice post. I wish I had the investing savvy to take advantage too…. maybe we should form a club. Frank… got room for another section of this site for that?

      • LCD

        For those who have the time their is certainly a lot of investigating to do.

        For example if your on LinkedIn and you befriend hadjicristos or stremmenos you can see all their contacts and start investigating who they are and what they know. Even Levi, Rossi and the whole gang is on that site.

    • Roger Bird

      I doubt if a whole lot of the ultra-rich realize that this is happening yet yet. There is so much silliness on the Internet and so much disbelief and so much information and absolutely no supporting theory. And anyway, I don’t see how they could stop it, even if they wanted to. Even Rossi said to even little ol’ me that he had squirreled away his secret “in escrow”. If he should die of lead poisoning or something, that secret would be published on the Internet; then you have Defkalion and Brillouin and probably others. There is a wildfire, and it has many fronts. It is unstoppable.

      If I were to canvas my neighborhood and ask them if they had ever heard of Rossi or the E-Cat or Defkalion, I’ll bet $10 to $1 that not one of them have ever heard of anything having to do with LENR.

      I am just very glad that I am able to witness (good) history being made.

      • Alex

        If they can’t stop it, they will join it. we don’t know who the mystery US manager of the E-Cat company is. It could blow up in Rossi’s face that he let the (e)cat outta the bag.

        • Herb Gillis

          I wonder how many people are actually following LENR regularly? I visit a few sites and the JONP and I keep seeing the same names over and over, plus a relatively small number of one-off visitors. I think the total number of people who take LENR seriously and follow it may be less than 1000 (out of 7 billion). That would give us a tremendous advantage if we somehow formed an investor group (quickly) and got in early. The best way to do that would probably be to hire a firm with proven venture capital expertise.

          • GreenWin

            Herb, check into the Entrepreneurship and Innovation Panel at iCCF-18 this summer. Chair of the panel is Matthew Trevithick, from Venrock’s Palo Alto office focusing on energy technology investing.

            Tell your namesake at the New York Times, Justin.

          • Roger Bird

            I like it.

            Remember that Jesus started with only 12 followers. We can make a difference and get rich doing it.

          • Pedro

            On JoNP Rossi recently claimed he had 1 million pre-orders for the home eCat.

    • Charles

      Pop-Sci had us on the Hydrogen economy back in the 40-50 time period. Pop-Sci is just that: pop science.

      • GreenWin

        As in “Pop” goes the weasel?

  • daniel maris

    Well if DGT have gained in crediblity, so has Rossi since DGT have always said Rossi had a working device.

    • AB

      The fraud believers have a problem explaining Defkalion (I’m calling them with that name to avoid offending real skeptics).

      If Rossi is a fraud as they are convinced, it follows that either Rossi’s fraudulent energy is infectious and has passed over to Defkalion, or Defkalion is in cahoots with Rossi and it’s all just one big show.

      Either scenario seems rather unlikely.

      • Roger Bird

        “Either scenario seems rather unlikely.” This thought makes perfect sense to me because I also have a social/soft evidence sense. Skeptopaths don’t. So it will make no sense whatsoever to them. Regular skeptics might be able to handle it and process it and see that it also does not make any sense for multiple companies to be involved in the same scam.

        • Job001

          An alternate theory, neither Skeptopath nor conspiracy makes sense if we “follow the money”.

          When we buy a car, we tend to talk it down. It appears we are observing this slander process with Skeptopaths and shills. Let’s name it “Buyer slander for profit and delay”. Company control and IP can be bought cheaper when it, the inventor, and the research has been slandered, disgraced, and ridiculed. It’s just profitable business.

          This has happened frequently for IP and purchase of companies. For instance, BLP it appears has been bought out, no news on the CIHT cell since 5-22-12 and private financial dealings were reported 5-9-2012, zero news since.

        • LCD

          Once your brain decides LENR is impossible, you only see fraud, you are incapable of being objective

          • Jim

            Yep. Never underestimate the power of the human mind to screen out data in favor of beliefs.

          • Roger Bird

            I think that the biggest difference here between the believers and the skeptics is that believers accept social/soft evidence better (or more) than skeptics. So the fact that Defkalion, Brillioun, and Rossi are all saying that they are working LENR+ (and in the case of Rossi and Defkalion have excellent eyewitnesses) means something to the believers, and it means very little to the skeptics. I don’t think that one side is stupid or a bunch of evil meanie heads.

            • lcd

              accept might not be the right word. not rule it out categorically without further analysis maybe

  • Sanjeev

    Its good to see more eyewitness reports on DGT and its becoming less and less “DGT says” kind of claim.
    May be MFMP guys should also visit there. Looks like DGT is not as shy as Rossi. A visit will give them some pointers and will give us more hope.

    • Lukedc

      They have a phone number. If Symeon isn’t too busy he will be more than happy
      To speak with you.

    • Ben

      I doubt DGT would want to be very helpful to the MFMP group. DGT is trying to develop a product to sell. There isn’t any incentive for them to reveal anything to MFMP. For MFMP to observe a “hands-off” black box type demonstration seems unlikely too, because DGT could do that type of demonstration to the public anytime they want, and they’re not doing that just yet.

      • Sanjeev

        I don’t mean that MFMP should go there with a request to reveal DGTs trade secrets.

        MFMP is looking for a validation and DGT is a good candidate. Its a remarkable thing that DGT is allowing visitors. At most, they will not do any measurements, but such first hand reports by qualified people do elevate the status of LENR, so its not totally fruitless.

        May be someone with deep pockets will read one such report one day and will throw a few million in the field. This is my hope.

  • khawk

    All based on an introduction to the gas-charged Ni Hydride approach by the leader of this sector – Andrea Rossi.

    • LCD

      Piantelli actually

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    My guess is that the movers and shakers of energy now recognize the threat(or promise) from from LENR. I don’t believe that they view it as an immediate threat. They’re not yet convinced that LENR is ready for prime-time. They may be “whistling past the graveyard”.

    http://chowderheadbazoo.typepad.com/chowderheadbazoo/2008/10/

    • Kim

      Its ramping up.

      It Showdown at OK Coral.

      You have 7 (SEVEN) Elite Scientist Priests!!!

      Telling the world that Rossi’s Machines WORK
      with SIGNIFICANT Excess Thermal Energy in Production.

      OK Coral Time.

      Respect
      Kim

      • Kim

        OK Corral. sheeesh….

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        Poor example, Kim. We all saw what happened to the Seven at OK Corral.

    • Ben

      I think a good analogy is that the LENR people will be like an antibiotic resistant flesh-eating bacterium that defeats a large animal. At first it’s nothing, then looks like a harmless scratch. Then it starts to take over and then it’s too late. Throw in a little septic shock for good measure.

  • Allan Shura

    This is very good news as the crediblity of Defkalion goes up with
    such observations. The reasonable size of the hyperion for
    portablitity is encouraging.

  • Pachu
  • Kim

    The concept of LENR/Cold Fusion is swirling around the psyche of professional academics,scientists,industrial leaders…

    This is on going behind the scenes as we speak.

    It will prompt major decisions at the priest levels.

    It will take time.

    We are talking about believe systems
    that have to be tossed or upgraded, and it is not going to be easy.

    But its being worked through and its coming.

    Respect
    Kim

    • lenrdawn

      “We are talking about believe systems that have to be tossed or upgraded, and it is not going to be easy.”

      We’re talking about Defkalion claiming they have working LENR reactors. If they do, we’ll see them sold by the millions. If they don’t, we won’t. It’s as simple as that. No tossing and upgrading of belief systems required.

      • Kim

        LENR is already Proven.

        What we don’t have is a the “Workable Theory”

        That is what the Priests are going to have to
        pull out of their butt when Defkalion comes forward with something that delivers…

        Respect
        Kim

        • Bob

          The workable theory won’t affect sales at all. Sales are only determined by having a workable product. So long as they work, who cares what the theory is?
          I didn’t notice any reluctance to buy aeroplanes at all last century due to a less than satisfactory explanation of the science behind wing lift. I know Bernoulli’s principle defined it but it didn’t really explain why it happens.
          In fact there has still been recent arguments over why it actually happens.
          I wonder how many aeroplane sales fell through because of that?
          Get me a product that definitely works and I will buy one. Maybe two.

      • Roger Bird

        If they have the goods, they will sell them, eventually. If they are not selling them, it might be because of certification issues. But, for me also, selling them is the rock solid gold proof.

    • Roger Bird

      Kim, is Dr. Yeong Kim a relation to you, other than you are both human beings interested in LENR. (:->)

      • Kim

        No, I’m a retired Nurse (Male)
        sitting in 108 degree temp in
        Tucson, Az

        Respect
        Kim

        • Roger Bird

          I presume that the “sitting in 108 degree temp” part of your message means that you don’t want any more stupid questions from me.

          • Kim

            Not at all

            Question on man.

            Respect
            Kim