Celani Warns of LENR Explosions at Low Temperatures

Here’s the text of an email sent out today by LENR experimenter Francesco Celani reproduced with permission on 22passi.blogspot.com. He seems to want this information spread far and wide among the LENR research community by way of a warning.

Dear Colleagues,
In These days I am performing very simple experiments at low temperatures, down to 77K.
I am using two wires, one with 2 Layers (called “nanodiamandois”) and the other usual with 500 Layers, Both of Constantan type ISOTAN 44.
* Under vacuum and / or He (2.5bar), I detected a PTC (Positive Temperature Coefficient) with the 2L Constantan (about 4%). 500 With Layers The NTC detected (about 3.5%).
* When I added H2 (2.5bar) During cooling down, at a temperature of about -50 ° C,
I EXPERIENCED EXPLOSIO N.
* The bottle, nominally tested at 16 bar at 50 ° C, was completly destroyed. No. iniury to us, thanks to the open plastic tube used as dewar. Just big noise.
* There is a Possibility That Such material is cathalitic even at low temperatures, as reported by Also in old paper of Hydrogen absorption at low temperatures using Constant tick film.
!! PLEASE, SHARE SUCH INFORMATION TO ALL THE PEOPLE INVOLVED in the replication efforts.
Dear [omitted], put in the MFMP Such new blog, ASAP!
Tanks for your collaboration.
Francesco CELANI

In addition to the important safety warning here, it’s fascinating that such an explosion could actually occur at such low temperatures and will probably prompt more examination as to what exactly is going on in these LENR reactions. It sounds like Celani was looking for some kind of reaction to occur, but he sounds surprised about what actually happened here.

  • Chris I

    77K is colder than liquid nitrogen, so there is room for the shockbrittle type of conjecture. Perhaps he just wasn’t cooling the hydrogen as it went in, and letting it in too quickly.

    Still, surely he knows these things and so maybe he is judging that it was actually the Ni-H reaction.

  • SolarSurfer

    “Celani is no idiot and I’m sure he knows what an explosion is as compared to something else.”

    Of course he isn’t an idiot – but you don’t have to be in order to mistake something for an explosion (like an implosion or stress fracturing) when it comes to glass in a confined environment. When a glass bulb breaks for whatever reason, almost everybody describing it will talk about an explosion because of the bits and pieces flying and bouncing all over the place and the suddenness of it all. You’d need a high speed camera to tell the difference and I doubt Celani had one pointed at his experiment at the time. So cut him some slack here – he’s not an idiot but doesn’t have slomo hindsight built into his brain either.

  • Torbjörn

    New rumor: (Translated by google)

    “As one of the few institutions to Svedberg Laboratory in Uppsala have had access to an e-cat, able to examine it, test the long-term (+100 h) and preliminarily determined that the startling enough, an energy surplus. Preliminary where energy could only be measured in the form of radiation, not calorimetrically (eg submerged in water), which had given an accurate result, but still a strong indication.

    Svedberg Laboratory houses researcher Hidetsugu Ikegami, Sven Kullander and Roland Pettersson, who appeared in this context before.”

    http://osunt.se/nya-rykten-om-e-cat/

    • Torbjörn

      The rumor originates Straight from the horse’s mouth (according to the source).

    • GreenWin

      It appears fairly certain these scientists have been involved with the e-cat since it’s introduction by Focardi and Rossi. The Ikegami chemonuclear theory is remarkable and may very well identify some or all of e-cat’s nuclear function.

      The Svedberg Laboratory began with Nobel laureate (Chemistry) Theodor Svedberg, professor chemistry at Uppsala 1912-1949. In late 1930s it was one of the first sites for a particle accelerator a synchrocyclotron, later updated with CERN magnets to CELSIUS (Cooling with ELectrons and Storing of Ions from the Uppsala Synchrocyclotron.)

      From 1994 until 2004 The Svedberg Laboratory was a national research facility funded by the Swedish Natural Science Research Council. The TSL is now a university facility. The main activity of TSL is based on an agreement between Uppsala Academic Hospital and Uppsala University exploring continued proton therapy.

    • Torbjörn

      Here is an attempt to a better translation:

      What the then consists in this new rumor? It may be a result of a whispering game, but the information source of the rumor has stated that it came from the horse’s mouth. As one of the few institutions to Svedberg Laboratory in Uppsala have had access to an e-cat, able to examine it, test the long-term (+100 h) and preliminarily determined that the astonishing enough, an energy surplus. Preliminary when energy could only be measured in the form of radiation, not calorimetrically (eg submerged in water), which would had given an accurate result, but it is still a strong indication.

      Svedberg Laboratory houses researcher Hidetsugu Ikegami, Sven Kullander and Roland Pettersson, who appeared in this context before.

      • Torbjörn

        “As one of few institutions the Svedberg Laboratory…”

        • Torbjörn

          New attempt:

          What the then consists in this new rumor? It may be a result of a whispering game, but the information source of the rumor has stated that it came from the horse’s mouth. As one of few institutions the Svedberg Laboratory in Uppsala have had access to an e-cat, been able to examine it, long-term test it (+100 h) and preliminarily determined that surprisingly, there was an energy surplus. Preliminarily because the energy could only be measured in form of radiation, not calorimetrically (eg submerged in water), which would had given an accurate result, but it is still a strong indication.

          Svedberg Laboratory houses researcher Hidetsugu Ikegami, Sven Kullander and Roland Pettersson, who appeared in this context before.

          • daniel maris

            In more colloquial English:

            What does this new rumor consist of, then? It may be a result of Chinese Whispers, but the person who passed on the rumour has stated that it came from the horse’s mouth (i.e. someone involved in the testing).

            The Svedberg Laboratory in Uppsala is one of the few institions to have had access to an e-cat, allowing them to examine the machine and subject it to lengthy tests (+100 h). The tests have produced the surprising preliminary result that there was an energy surplus. “Preliminary” because the energy could only be measured in form of radiation, not calorimetrically (eg submerged in water), which would had given a detailed measurement. But this is still a strong indication.

            The Svedberg Laboratory is associated with the researchers Hidetsugu Ikegami, Sven Kullander and Roland Pettersson, who have been mentioned in connection with the
            E Cat before.

    • http://www.american-reporter.com Joe Shea

      I seem to remember that Rossi, at a fairly early stage of developnment over a year ago, opted to create hydrogen by electrolysis instead of using H2 from a storage tank. If my memory is coprrect, then Celani’s warning would have no relevance to the E Cat, as the hydrogen would be on-demand (HOD).

  • Denise

    Most materials have superconductivity at low temperature!

    • buffalo

      whats your point cutie?

      • GreenWin

        Buff, let’s be cautious with the gender-based remarks here, if only to encourage our feminine partners to participate. Wisdom = balance sorta idea.

        • buffalo

          relax greenwin.im italian.i knw wat im doin

  • Dave Lawton

    When I worked in particle physics at the Rutherford Lab we had a Hydrogen Bubble chamber .I remember having to wear anti static material on my shoes. Static is a real hazard with hydrogen if it mixes with air.
    Look at this.http://www.gasballooning.net/Hydrogen%20Safety.htm.

  • buffalo

    yes @bob greenyer,common butane gas canisters is much more dangerous than any future hydrogen charged lenr device for 2 reasons: 1) butane gas canisters are MEANT to be opened and fiddled with.2) the amount of hydrogen used in lenr cartridge devices will be much less mass than a tank butane.

  • buffalo

    no no @jay.you,ve got it wrong,ammonia solution must be applied to the iodine crystals and blam!

    • mike

      Ah nitrogen tri-iodide.
      Yes I had some explaining to do in lab at school many years ago. Mixed ammonia solution with iodine solution, filtered precipitate, and let dry on paper. Explosive cracks made me rather conspicous.

    • Peter Roe

      You can also put a few drops of glycerine into the neck of a bottle containing a small amount of permanganate, screw the lid on, sit it on the ground and wait for the glycerine to run down onto the permanganate – boom.

      Not that I would ever do something so stupid of course.

      • GreenWin

        Peter, why would anyone think an old motorhead such as yourself might also be something of a pyro? Looks like more than one “MacGyver” lurking here (US TV, The adventures of a secret agent armed with almost infinite scientific resourcefulness.)

        • Peter Roe

          GW – I am a reformed character these days, and haven’t blown anything up for the best part of 50 years! If I lived in the ‘States I would almost certainly be a muzzle-loader enthusiast, but here in the UK even certain types of air pistol are classified as ‘firearms’ and banned accordingly.

          • GreenWin

            Which is pathetic in any interpretation IMO. A favorite slogan comes to mind from a film titled GI Jane: About a female special ops character. “Why? ‘Cause we get to blow shiet up!”

            Would that I had met her as a young man.

  • denise

    In most materials superconductivity needs low temperature!

  • Jack

    I just discovered this and immediately thought of LENR.
    The Semmelweis reflex is the reflexive rejection of new facts that go against current beliefs.
    http://www.kmafrica.com/node/2812

  • http://www.kaltefusion.tk/blog barty

    I think if you experiment with pure hydrogen gas combined with electricity, you have to to expect explosions.

    But such accidents are also good, because on this way you can find out which environment variables in a LENR reactor are safety relevant, and check this parts later in practical devices with control electronics.

    • Warthog

      Nope. A pure hydrogen atmosphere is perfectly safe, no matter how much electricity you have available. Gotta have fuel, oxidizer, and ignition source.

      • Lukedc

        Science prize of the day goes to warthog.
        Without some method by which O is added to the equation there will be no big boom even in the presence of an arcing/resistive electrical source.
        Celani is talking vacuum or He environment.
        I will a have chat this evening with a friend about this one.

        • buffalo

          the problem @lukedc is to know when/if air has contaminated the h2 gas,very very difficult as i recently found out,the hard way.the slightest leaks cant be easily detected as both air and h2 are invisible.

          • Lukedc

            “Air” is a sea of constituent elements and wasn’t factored into my reply. I can only assume that Celani was following the scientific method and that they weren’t present. If we are to take what we said at face value then they must be ruled out when evaluating the cause of the explosion.

    • http://rossifocardifusion.com/author/john John De Herrera

      “with pure hydrogen gas combined with electricity, you have to to expect explosions.”
      In the Rossi E-Cats, tiny amounts of Hydrogen are used and therefore there is NO LONGER NEED for the large bottle of compressed Hydrogen. jdh

  • hunfgerh

    Especially hydrogen loaded nano scaled materials show superconductivity in the range from room temperature – 77 K (liquid nitrogen).
    Superconductivity is precisely the condition for the fusion of hydrogen in a charged hydrogen matrix.
    See – hunf supraleiter – or widom and larsen theory.

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  • georgehants

    Only capitalism could lead to a crazy situation where people are fooled into fighting to work underground in a dirty coalmine for no purpose whatsoever except to pointlessly earn money to pay their way.
    Also to continue polluting the atmosphere.
    Without capitalism only the best, cleanest, most efficient answers would be pursued and those put out of work could celebrate not wasting their time and move on to jobs in Health, Making and fitting Solar Cells, More free time, helping others, earlier retirement for all, etc. etc.
    One day the penny will drop, as to how we are all being manipulated just to keep the few in power and riches.
    ——
    From Phys Org
    Coal fights to keep power in US energy mix.
    Rather than being phased out, politically powerful coal, backed by dedicated support from coal-state lawmakers on Capitol Hill, is clinging to its place in the energy mix, pushing back against the Obama administration’s measures and promoting new infrastructure to boost coal exports.
    Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-04-coal-power-energy.html#jCp

    • HeS

      @:”Only capitalism could lead to a crazy situation …”

      ?? (!:)

    • GreenWin

      Regular Joe: Hey, it’s freezing, why don’t we get one of them new e-cats to heat the house?

      Coal politician: Hell no! There’s still plenty of furniture we can bust up and burn!

  • Gérard2013

    The real explosion will happen when the report will be positive for fathers and Rossi ECAT.

    But it is true that technology of cold fusion advance into unknown territory. Experimenters must very careful.
     
    For the experiments as replications for large LENR reactor.

    In French

    La vrai explosion arrivera quand le rapport des pères sera positif pour Rossi et son ECAT.

    Mais, c’est vrai que La technologie de la fusion froide avance en terre inconnue. Les expérimentateurs doivent très prudent.

    Pour les expériences de réplications comme pour les réacteur LENR de grande taille.

  • Jay

    This discussion of volatile explosions compounds reminded of my mis-spent youth witnessing one of the more unstable reactions I had ever seen where a drop of Iodine was applied to a Potassium Permanganate crystal. Once absorbed/dry, it was so unstable that a clapping of hands accoss the room was enough to cause it to explode and make a hideous purple stain on whatever was nearby.
    Ah, the good ole days where kids could buy all sorts of dangerous chemicals via mail-order. I never understood exactly how simple acoustic energy was enough to trigger an explosive reaction.

    • http://www.american-reporter.com Joe Shea

      My first reaction was that a jealous Celani was trying to sabotage the work of Andrea Rossi at a time when an independent review is being finished and prepared for publication. I am impressed, however, that more capable chemists than I am have observed that at the temperatures described these kinds of explosions can occur. I would expect so. Nonetheless, I hope that even if this information is straightforward and honest that it will not impact thew ork of Andrea Rossi in any harmful way, or delay the forthcoming publication, or trip any wires at the Underwriters Laboratory or elsewhere if and when it may be tested.

      • Peter Roe

        Agreed – just about the last thing that LENR needs just now is this kind of news. If it had not come from a respected source like Celani (and the other presumably respectable corespondent) I would be deeply suspicious of its purpose. The ‘danger’ card will be played by those who want to see LENR leashed and coralled, and it is not a good idea to provide them with ammunition.

        • GreenWin

          Yeah the danger card will be played. But we got microwaves in our pockets and kitchens, X-rays from our old CRTs, explosive gasses fueling the water heater, and a deadly poison (chlorine) in the water. Not to mention the chemical stuff in the basement or under the sink.

          Automobiles were once considered a great danger to farm animals (noise & smoke.) If there were still any family farms – that would be true.

          • Peter Roe

            Ah, but don’t forget that in the UK, early motor vehicles had to be preceded by a man with a red flag – as lobbied for by the coaching interests. Admittedly it didn’t last long, but in that case the guvmint’s interests weren’t threatened…

            • GreenWin

              Serious LOL Peter! A far more ambulatory guv’ment job than shovel leaning…

              • Peter Roe

                I think they made the car owner hire someone – governments are always quite happy to heap unneccessary costs on their citizens if these serve their sponsors’ agendas (like Cameron planning to massively increase UK electricity costs to pay for new nuclear).

      • Peter Roe

        Joe – commented, but moderated (again)

    • Peter Roe

      Hi Jay. I (mis)spent my early youth doing similar scientific ‘research’ with permanganates, iodine, glycerine, chlorates and so on! At one point I actually discovered a catalyst that vastly amplified the effect of the well known chlorate-carbohydrate reaction, which I had better not go into. My career an an explosives expert came to an abrupt and compulsory end when I blew holes through both sides of my dad’s shed with a home-made cannon. This had recoiled with such force that it escaped its inadequate mounts, went right through the shed and only stopped when it hit a brick wall. I guess I’m probably quite lucky to still have 2 eyes and 10 fingers. Ah, the good old days!

      • timycelyn

        Oh Peter, that brings back memories for me. In my case it was mainly chlorate pipe err.. devices, in those innocent days of the sixties.

        Mind you when I started to take up smallholding as a hobby I had -shall we say – some unusual ways of dealing with the foxes that came after my chickens, that may have been a hangover from this time. The rest of the story is best described over a pint .

        Happy days…..

        • Peter Roe

          Tim – makes you wonder how many of us survived, doesn’t it? Maybe some day we’ll have a chance to reminisce, over a pint in a canalside pub (One of the relatively few joys of advancing age!).

          We had a fox stroll right into our kitchen last summer. I was sitting in the yard with a drink and it didn’t see me. One of our larger cats was licking its a*se 10 feet away from the fox, but you’d think that both of them had gone blind.

          • timycelyn

            I’ll look forward to that Peter! (The pint, not the advancing age.) I’ll be sure to let you know if we head south of Brum, and you tip me the wink in you come North of Brum.

            Being a part time poultry keeper with around 300 birds gives me a somewhat jaded view of foxes, but nothing that a 15 Joule electric fence energiser can’t take care of…

            • Peter Roe

              Will do. I’m refitting at the moment on the S. Oxford (Southam) but I’m hoping to get the Lister back up and running next visit.

              My wife keeps chickens and ducks (c60). So far (despite electric fences) foxes have had about 3 or 4 birds in 6 years, but her ‘cute little doggie’ has killed half a dozen in a quarter of that time!

              • timycelyn

                Methinks cute little doggie needs a close encounter with a large Embden-Toulouse gander…

                Looking forward to that pint sometime! Take care Peter…

              • timycelyn

                Southam – by Napton that is? Right at the Northern end, we are around those parts from time to time…

                • Peter Roe

                  That’s the place.

        • Peter Roe

          Tim – replied but moderated (I seem to be running at about 50% auto-moderation these days).

          • timycelyn

            No problem. I had to change the wording in my post about 6 times to avoid pressing any suspected auto-moderate buttons…

            • Peter Roe

              Um – I’ve looked at my moderated posts but I’m not sure what the offending words might be (I had already put an asterisk in one likely trigger word). I wish there was some kind of list.

            • Peter Roe

              Third attempt (heavy edit):

              Tim – makes you wonder how many of us survived, doesn’t it? Maybe some day we’ll have a chance to reminisce, over a pint in a canalside pub (One of the relatively few joys of advancing age!).

    • Dave Lawton

      Good fun.If I remember right we use to put those crystals on door knobs and
      the would go off with a real crack.

      • GreenWin

        Shocking!

  • http://rossifocardifusion.com/author/john John De Herrera

    It is so wonderful to hear about Francisco Celani and other researchers exploring the reactions of certain metals and gases in producing heat energy. While Andrea Rossi has done so much to produce the E-Cat and Hot Cat, there is still lots of work to be done; explore all of the potential of CF/LENR science and technology. jdh

  • artefact

    From JONP
    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=802&cpage=2#comment-676085

    Claud
    April 12th, 2013 at 1:26 PM
    Dear Andrea, after months of reflections I’m concluding that domestic e-cat will be probably never available for the market.
    While I think that your activity is going well and that big cats will be properly sold to big customers, I think that you’re mostly aiming at that segment and, besides the actual difficulties with the certificators, the power of the energy grids owners and their powerful lobbies will discourage any effort in the direction of the personal equipment, that means a tremendous threat to their business. And sooner or later you’ll be forced (or lured) to give up.
    Am I going wrong? And in what?
    My best wishes
    Claud

    ###

    Andrea Rossi
    April 12th, 2013 at 3:54 PM
    Dear Claud:
    No, we will put the domestic E-Cat in the market, in due time: certification and recognition of the IP are critical issues.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Peter Roe

      Claud is almost certainly correct. Rossi may still genuinely think that personal/domestic units are a possibility, but IMO he is mistaken. The technology would be unacceptably (to TPTB) disruptive and ‘safety concerns’ will inevitably be used to prevent the appearance of such devices.

      • http://www.kaltefusion.tk/blog barty

        Maybe, but Defkalion mentioned in their last interview that the Canadian certifiers are more liberal and will certify their reactor even for the US.

        If this is done, the other certifiers all over the world are under pressure, and must deliver unassailable evidence for the dangerousness of LENR.

        • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

          There is no rationality in some national governments, like in france.
          If ther is a great NGO lobbying like Greenpeace, or local unions, it can be blocked despite all evidence and all law or treaty.
          It happens.

          • Peter Roe

            Same here (UK), but the only lobbies the government listens to are multinational corporations such as banks, the nuclear industry and ‘big oil’. Once they have been ‘persuaded’ to go down a particular path (such as nuclear fission) they will fix, lie, cheat and generally do whatever it takes to further the interests of their cronies and sponsors, regardless of common sense or contrary evidence.

      • GreenWin

        Peter, I have to disagree. See my post on EEI (GreenWin on April 12, 2013 at 9:18 pm) – the U.S. utility industry is being prepped for widespread adoption of distributed energy resources (DER.) One reason for the long ecat gestation has been to allow this preparation.

        …we are seeing the beginning of customer disruption and that there is a large universe of companies pursuing this opportunity…”

        Hmmm, large universe? More like infinite universe, eh? Utilities that survive this transition will be those who license and brand DER equipment and services.

        • Peter Roe

          Mmm.. I suspect that DER will in practice mean small local power stations under the control of existing utility companies in much the same way that wind turbine ‘farms’ currently are. This might mean many ‘village’ power stations of a few megawatts, through ‘town and city’ installations of say 100-200MW, all still using local grids but dispensing with centralised power stations in the gigawatt range, and the EHV grid interconnectors.

          Point is, they would all still be within the corporate cartel and therefore could not pose a threat to them. The military will have access to smaller portable units but I’m pretty sure that ‘private’ LENR generators will be verboten for years, if not decades. Not only would this technology bring down the energy cartels almost overnight, but it would quickly ‘leak’ into transport and direct heating, stripping governments of a huge part of their revenue.

          Because of this it just won’t be permitted – no supra-national or national government of any colour will sit idly by when they become aware that their economic base is being dismantled from under them. The only hope is that politicians are sufficiently stupid and technically illiterate so that they fail to act before it is too late (for them!).

          • GreenWin

            Hah! yes, but no, the PTB are not technically illiterate. And, technically there is little use in “village” power stations if they do not represent reduced consumer costs.

            I think you miss the transition phase from revenue generated by “metering” and that from selling product. Again, I use the refrigeration analogy: the ice industry (circa 1930s) thrived on weekly/monthly purchase revenues. When home refrigeration was introduced, they failed to… ahem, capitalize, on the new revenue opportunity of selling, installing and maintaining refrigerators.

            Supra or national governments will, at some point, realize there is little they can do to stuff the genie back in the bottle. But they CAN, legislate a LENR tax (for some BS safety or certification reason) and replace some (not all) of their legacy pirate booty.

            You must consider the ingenuity of certain human elements in creating and selling DIY (homebrew LENR kits.) After all, a little outfit called Apple Computer began as the “Homebrew Computer Club…”

            • Peter Roe

              You’re probably right about PTB, but at the moment they still have to work through sham democracies, and ‘elected’ politicians still tend to lose power if they try to carry forward naked PTB agendas in the face of public opposition.

              Each step towards individual power generation will likely be bitterly fought through the various stages of distributed power generation within national grids, through privately owned local grids to a break point where individual private LENR generators and power units are permitted, but subject to ‘pay as you go’ taxes.

              I think the latter is as far as things will be allowed to go, as taxes on sales and maintenance of small units could not provide the easy revenue equivalent to that currently skimmed from energy usage (about 70% on transport fuels for example, in the UK).

              Of course, if the ‘home brew’ scenario ever comes to pass, such carefully laid plans will be in jeopardy, and suppression similar to that imposed on firearms manufacture or drug production could well be the result. This creature will not die easily.

  • Roger Bird

    Does he actually mean 77 degrees Kelvin, as in 77 Celsius degrees above absolute zero?

    • timycelyn

      Probably. That’s what he wrote, and the big deal about low temperatures would go with that, whereas 77C is not that far away from the >100C temperatures these things can run at. Also, that’s the boiling point of liquid nitrogen, which is available in most laboratories

  • Roger Bird

    I like that: “tanks for your cooperation”. Aren’t these experiments taking place in a tank. Although, I doubt if he meant to be funny.

    • GreenWin

      Roger, surprised you did not see the diplomatic implications there. 🙂

  • http://rossifocardifusion.com/author/john John De Herrera

    “I EXPERIENCED EXPLOSION”
    All research on CF/LENR should use labs and personal safety equipment designed for protection from ‘explosions’ and ‘fire’. The use of pressurized Hydrogen is very dangerous and it is impossible to realize every ignition source. Good to hear that the Rossi Reactor is “Intrinsically safe for normal use”. jdh

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Please, spelling tolerance, written English is a Bear!

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    The next post on 22passi:
    Note, this also occurred on cooldown.

    Shortly after one of the recipients of the email responded in this way:
    Francis, Thank you for the warning – most interesting.

    Also I can add a warning – we have had a runaway event with Cuprothal 49 – from a constantan alloy Kanthal (9 meters of 0.7, wire prepared in our own experiments) at a very modest temperature: <180C. Fortunately the event was contained in a titanium tube reactor Although it melted the tube Which gave at least as the ability to estimate the temperature and power output at 800-1000C for 30-60min resulting in an estimated power output of around .5-1kWh. This incident occurred During cool down after the completion of several weeks testing and with all electrical inputs disconnected … I know it appears that a runaway event is possible with zero input under conditions That are difficult to predict / reproduce.

    Cheers

    emphasis added by Iggy

    • artefact

      see also the posts in the last thread here on ecw.

  • buffalo

    another hypothesis is that some of the copper within the constintan nanoparticles had been prior exposed to air and heat formed some cupric oxide(CuO) which then explosively combusted h2 gas under frictional contraction:H2+CuO=Cu+H2O.

    • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

      We discussed this as soon as we received the email. The question is, is the possibility for a minute amount of O2 likely to do this. We have been in conversations with Celani to do a mega blog post including photos and data on the event. He asked us to do one immediately to inform anyone that might be working in this field and we will when we have more meaningful data and images.

      • http://www.american-reporter.com Joe Shea

        This is a very fruitful line of inquiry if you want to sabotage cold fusion: “It blows up!” Watch out for what may be happening here.

        • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

          We are just trying to establish most probable cause. It is actually important for our work as most of the team are in regular contact with the wires.

          Petrol and gas explodes

          B

      • Warthog

        Simply put…..no. Not enough O2. And if you recall, Celani’s method of activation involves multiple cycles of oxidation followed by reduction, with the final product being the “reduced” form, which has minimal oxygen content.

  • GreenWin

    More than ISOTAN nuclear reactions have been exploding lately (please take precautions experimenters.)

    Disruptive Challenges: Financial Implications and Strategic Responses to a Changing Retail Electric Business

    In a Report written by the Edison Electric Institute, the U.S. utility industry is preparing for disruptive technological change, like that which put Eastman Kodak Company into bankruptcy. Since the LENR and CF terms are off limits, this report refers to “Distributed Energy Resources” DER, inclusive of solar and…er, other stuff.

    “Taken together, these factors are potential “game changers” to the U.S. electric utility industry, and are likely to dramatically impact customers, employees, investors, and the availability of capital to fund future investment.

    The electric utility sector has not previously experienced a viable disruptive threat to its service… However, a combination of technological innovation, public/regulatory policy, and changes in consumer objectives and preferences has resulted in distributed generation and other DER being on a path to becoming a viable alternative to the electric utility model.”

    The Report discusses consumer movement to DER, quitting the grid, and potential loss of investor confidence/returns.

    “While the pace of disruption cannot be predicted, the mere fact that we are seeing the beginning of customer disruption and that there is a large universe of companies pursuing this opportunity highlight the importance of proactive and timely planning to address these challenges…” http://www.eei.org/ourissues/finance/Documents/disruptivechallenges.pdf

    It is good the utilities are being made aware of the massive change in energy distribution coming their way. The innovative and nimble will survive.

    • artefact

      ➡ if they are refering to LENR or not it is good that report makes aware of future challanges.

    • Roger Bird

      It sure sounds like LENR to me or something like it. They may know something that we don’t. Or maybe they know something that we do. On the other hand, natural gas can be very localized. Wells can pop up all over the place.

    • http://rossifocardifusion.com/author/john John De Herrera

      “The electric utility sector has not previously experienced a viable disruptive threat to its service… ”
      Solar and Wind did NOT produce enough energy to threaten the Power Industries – NOW, WATCH OUT FOR CF/LENR! It has the potential to wipe out Nuclear and Fossil Fuel industries with safer, cleaner, abundant power. jdh

    • http://www.american-reporter.com Joe Shea

      “proactive,” as I described in my novella “Power,” may mean doing eveything in EPI’s power to make sure LENR/CF doesn’t ever happen and put them out of business.

  • buffalo

    another hypothesis is that the unstable cuprous hydride (CuH) or cupric hydride(CuH2) formed at lower temps detonated explosively upon frictional contraction.they are unstable crystalline compounds according to textbooks.

  • buffalo

    sudden contraction of the nickel nanocrystals could rub each other at low temps and cause electrostatic spark and detonate the h2 gas IF there was air contamination.if there was no air contamination then we have something unusual.

    • Bob

      He said he began with a vacuum and then at while cooling through the -50deg C mark, added hydrogen at around 36psi.
      Since it started from a vacuum it is very doubtful the explosion was caused by any sort of ignition, unless the vacuum was only partial.
      He also said the bottle was tested to 16 bar (235psi) so the glass must have been quite thick.
      My first guess is it disintegrated from a combination of thermal shock due to the temperature gradient across the thick glass caused by the introduction of the hydrogen. The pressure of the hydrogen resulted in the outward flow of the disintegration products giving it the appearance of an explosion. The fact that the explosion products were able to be contained by a plastic shield would be consistent with this.
      Had the explosion been the result of some sort of nuclear event this containment would seem unlikely.
      Celani was very wise to warn everybody of this. An explosion of any sort should always be notified to others working with similar systems as without shielding, can result in serious and life long injuries.

  • SolarSurfer

    Could be anything. I broke my freezer when I put a pot of warm soup into it a couple of years ago. It was made of steel. One of the fragments was firmly stuck in the door plastic and would surely have injured somebody if it had happened with the door open. I doubt that was a nuclear reaction. Just material stress from too rapid temperature changes.

    • Shane D.

      Solar,

      You are really taking the fun out of this for us believers. Could you just have, at the least, given us 24 hours to think that this thing went BOOM? And that it was because of the latent POWERFUL energies that LENR devices exploit?

      We like to think those things you know.

      By the way; I’m no expert, but isn’t there a difference between shattering from thermal shock… as your refrig did, and this? Celani said his cell exploded.

      Celani is no idiot and I’m sure he knows what an explosion is as compared to something else. Of course, he may have been pointing out the inherent dangers of H use.

    • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

      We discussed thermal shock/brittle fracture as being a possible reason as soon as we received the email at MFMP. Because of this and potential oxides in wire we have asked celani to provide details of experiment, data captured around the event and before photo (which I believe he has) and after photos. We hope to have these at some point after the weekend and will write a blog post on the event assuming we do.

      I think that study of the event including power and resistance readings may point to an event in the wire, the cell environment or the cell structure.

  • captain

    Just to be clear since the first, Celani has his LENR with his possible issues, and OK.

    Rossi has his own LENR, different from that one of Celani. Tested, retested and reretested a lot of times for several years. Intrinsically safe for normal use.

  • Redford

    This is potentially hugely important.

    • Dickyaesta

      Important to direct attention to another way of using LENR? It might direct to an controlled explosion LENR driven engine, like a gasoline engine, maybe. Sorry it it is too far out, but we are here to look at all options!

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    What is “cathalitic”? Does he mean catalytic? Is it a hydrogen explosion?

    • GreenWin

      H2 is highly volatile. Celani states the explosion occurred while pumping 2.5 bar H2 into the container with still? active ISOTAN.

      • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

        Which might have resulted in thermal gradient related shock/brittle fracture. We are seeking all available data and images for everyone to scrutinise.

        • GreenWin

          On third thought, he means “Catholitic” an oblique reference to the Papal State, that rose to power by religious fear mongering. Martin Luther took exception.