PESN Interviews Defkalion

Sterling Allan of PESN has conducted an interview with Alexandros Xanthoulis, CEO of Defkalion Green Technologies.

Xanthoulis states that each reactor is working at 5 kW per hour, operating at between 350-500 degrees Celcius. The reactor needs to be heated to 180 C before the reaction takes place, and then the reaction is maintained by spark plugs pulsed every 15 seconds. They have calculated that energy costs would be around $.0035 per kWh, and that heating the average home would be around $300 every six months. He says that they have a reactor that has been running for 8 months now without any recharge.

He mentions that the company is working with leading car, phone tower, motorcycle, aviation, and nuclear energy companies. He reports that they are having a high level of interest from companies around the world; over 400 companies have contacted the company, and they have selected 19 to work with so far.

The company expects to be able to show a working reactor at NI Week in Texas this August, and mentions that they won’t be doing any more media interviews until then.

Here’s a link to the audio for the interview: http://www.mevio.com/episode/327524/fen.130404

  • Erik
    • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

      They haven’t yet made the critical experiment, so wait and see… Incidentally on the same page there seemed to be a link to Zubrin’s criticism of VASIMR, http://www.marssociety.org/home/press/tms-in-the-news/thevasimrhoax

      Factually, as usual Zubrin is right (I’m not totally sure of his discussion of radiation doses, though, but that’s not central to his argument). The bottleneck in electric propulsion is not the thruster, but the power system. One can always build a big thruster by putting a number of smaller ones which are already existing. Speeding up Mars travel from 6 months is hard for any propulsion system. The planet is basically too close for low thrust systems to pick up speed and yield a benefit. Low thrust systems, including the E-sail, could however take cargo up there with somewhat longer traveltime but lower launch mass. The manned module should go by ordinary chemical propulsion.

      • clovis

        Hi, you’ll

        • clovis

          Hi pekka
          I have always loved the idea of the space elevator.
          And have followed it with interest, and also the improvement of graphine, the new high sthringht material that is only 1 atom thick and 20 times as strong as steel, with this break through the elevator is now possible, to be used among other things to lift a payload to a space harbor if you will’ where the space sail transport can be loaded and sent on it way to mars

          • clovis

            SMILE, and i might add, that this new material is very conductive, and simply hanging in the air, will produce an huge amount of power, which can be used to power the elevator and the harbor it’s self, remember when NASA extended the long stinger made of Kevlar i think, very long , it is said that so much electricity was produced that it blew in to somewhere down the stinger, true story, lol well as i remember it.

        • stuey81

          hi yall?

    • GreenWin

      Really got to wonder how these plasma projects imagine to avoid the inevitable destruction of containment walls? And, what kind of shielding weight will be needed?

      Looks like another sudden “breakthrough” in hot fusion, like we’ve seen for 60 years now at stupendous cost – producing ZERO useful energy. Even ITER’s French homeland is getting fed up with hundreds of billions tax $$ – producing no useful result:

      “Sortir du Nucléaire opposes the project [ITER] because the expensive, experimental reactor may never actually be able to produce energy commercially, there are unknown risks associated with fusion reactors, which still produce radioactive waste.”

      http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/global-observer/the-french-protest-an-experimental-nuclear-fusion-project/10700

  • Erik

    Have a look at this link my friends,something is happening,,,

    • Barry

      Sounds like Hot fusion.

  • b4FreeEnergy

    While waiting for mister Rossi.

    I tried a few times already triggering a reaction mentioning Dr. T Henry Moray who supposedly did some very interesting tests back in 1930 using only some kind of electronic devices capturing a lot of energy from ‘somewhere’ demonstrated by feeding a 100W lamps array.

    Nobody could proof him to be a fraud, nevertheless his technology disappeared never to be heard of again …

    Anybody here has some information about this?

    • Peter Roe

      A search on ‘dr t henry moray free energy’ gets a lot of hits. This seems like a pretty good historical summary:

      http://www.cheniere.org/books/excalibur/moray.htm

      “Moray was able to produce a free energy device weighing sixty pounds and producing 50,000 watts of electricity for several hours. Ironically, although he demonstrated his device repeatedly to scientists and engineers, Moray was unable to obtain funding to develop the device further into a useable power station that would furnish electrical power on a mass scale.”

      Nothing new there then. There are several sites which claim to be attempting to recreate some of his work, e.g.:

      http://www.thmoray.org/

      His ‘Sea of Energy…’ book is still available as a reprint or digital copy too.

      • b4FreeEnergy

        Thanks for your response, sounds familiar no? “Ironically, although he demonstrated his device repeatedly to scientists and engineers, Moray was unable to obtain funding …”

        I was hoping for some information from people involved in maybe trying to reproduce Moray’s device. I even read somewhere that the American air-force once did an exercise trying to reproduce this device together with the son of Dr. Moray but had to stop because it did not work or were forced to stop …

        Weird world we live in!

  • pg

    count down to ecat report: 9

    • Jorge

      Will you stop it? Come on, we all know that every project with done confident always tend to run late. By looking at a countdown you’re seeing yourself and others for disappointment.
      Let’s calmly wait. It will be finished even it’s finished.

    • Peter Roe

      Please go away.

      • pg

        I don’ t understand the hostility. I am writing this following Rossi’s own words. If it is meaningless, then most of what is written in here lies in the same category, as they are comments on what Rossi says.

        I was excited like everyone else when I read his reply to George, but I would like that remark to be taken seriously after the frenzy it caused, and so should this blog.

        • Björn

          He never promised a date so this is just ridiculous.
          He just made an estimate.

          1. Andrea Rossi
          March 30th, 2013 at 5:52 AM
          Dear Gian Luca:
          As you know, the publication is totally out of our control.
          Warm Regards,
          A.R.

          1. Gian Luca
          April 3rd, 2013 at 5:22 AM
          Goodmornig A.R.
          there is a news about pubblication tests of T.P.?
          Have you any discretions about it?
          We are all in trepid awaiting publication.

          April 3rd, 2013 at 6:27 AM
          Dear Gian Luca:
          I have no news, but, as I said, the publication should not be done before the half of April. No discretion at all, I am no more in contact with the T.P.
          Warm Regards,
          A.R.

          • pg

            Hi Bjorn, I am referring to the following:
            I don’t know exactly the results that will surely be published by the examinators probably around the half of April. (A Rossi)

            Following this statement there have been 3 differnt posts:
            1 Rossi report test concluded: result positive (217 posts)
            2 Thoughts on the report (240 posts)
            3 Your predictions: how will the report be received (221 posts)
            with some comments being:

            This time is different. It is not different because we don’t believe him anymore. It’ s different because this time he painted himself into a corner. It is either put up or shut up. (Roger Bird)

            It’s because Rossi has now no exit. His statements before were all very week, and he had always the possibility to excuse his statements. (Barty)

            I just can’t conceive of any game plan that would involve such a build- up to be followed by a total let down, and tonight I’ll celebrate accordingly (Peter Roe March 25th)

            On March the 29th Rossi states again:
            I do not know when the publication will be made, but I suppose around the half of April…The peer reviewing is in course since December, …the last cycle has been a replica to make sure the results were real.

            So I don’t understand what everybody’s problem is, because clearly the expectations of a report around the middle of April are very high, and a simple count down (followed by a count up) is just a little reminder of our expectations

            • c. kirk

              the expectations of a report around the middle of April are very high ….
              Perhaps in your mind
              so if you interpret Rossi’s statement On March 29th “I do not know when the publication will be made, but I suppose around the half of April” as THE DATE then you are rather dim witted and would enjoy the company on another site more

              • pg

                In my mind? I don’t think so, just read the thread of the posts I mentioned and you can find out for yourself. And the fact that the mid of April was identified by Rossi as the probable date of the report release is exactly what drove everybody to celebratory mood.

                I have been following this blog for two years and I am on the lenr side, just don’t understand the denial of the importance of mid april deadline

                • Peter Roe

                  Why do most ‘skeptics’ really, really, cross-my-heart-and-hope-to-die want CF to be real.

                  Please get it into your head that there is no ‘mid April deadline’ for the 3rd party report. The only definite date we have is April 30th for delivery of the hot cat prototype. Your childish ‘countdown’ is unlikely to achieve anything except a high degree of irritation.

                • GreenWin

                  Peter, as sceps hopes for failure collapse, they have resorted to this “countdown” ploy. Similar to the Randi million dollar prize scheme. Both are fabrications meant to prove something wrong.

                  Smells very desperate.

                • artefact

                  I also count the days until 15th of April. Not to say on the 17 that he is late but I guess it is the earliest date to expect the report. Then it is time to watch some journals more closely.

              • clovis

                +1

                • pg

                  ok. so A Rossi statements that sent the lenr blogs to vintage champagne hunt do not mean anything, fair enough.

                  Guys I am Italian, and when I talk to friends, relatives, business partners about this, they look at me like I am insane. I dont care because I understand it must look that way to people outside this circle.

                  But in here I would expect something better than plain denial.
                  Mine wanted to be a reminder that at some point words have to have a weight, and this is it.

                  You guys think what you like, the count down and count up is on, unless admin asks for it to be interrupted.

                • GreenWin

                  “Mine wanted to be a reminder that at some point words have to have a weight…”

                  Honest words do have weight pg.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    I think for the first time Rossi says his hotcat has greater COP than 6?

    Gherardo
    April 5th, 2013 at 3:10 PM
    Dott.Rossi,
    could you summarize the benefits of the mouse and cat configuration?
    I also did not really understand besides allegories how they work but I guess that explanation would be an advantage also for other competitors working in the LENR.
    Thanks again for your time answering all our questions in this journal.
    Gherardo

    Andrea Rossi
    April 5th, 2013 at 5:08 PM
    Dear Gherardo:
    It has improved the COP.
    About how they work, you already gave the right answer.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Peter Roe

      Shhhh – mustn’t frighten the horses….

  • artefact

    Can someone tell how much energy in KW it would need,
    to get a 7.5 Kg device (of say iron) from 500 degree C (taking the highest mentioned temperature and not 350) to a temperature of 860 degree C in 35 seconds?
    From that we would know what in the future could be possible with lenr.

    • LB

      Heat capacity of steel is 466 J/(kg*K)
      Delta T=860-500=360 K
      mass=7.5 kg
      time=35 s
      Energy needed to heat= 466*7,5*360=1,3 MJ
      Divide by the time gives the power needed=36KW

      • artefact

        great, thank you!

  • Joseph J

    The research team has developed a type of plasma that is encased in its own magnetic field. Nuclear fusion occurs when this plasma is compressed to high pressure with a magnetic field. The team has successfully tested this technique in the lab.
    Only a small amount of fusion is needed to power a rocket — a small grain of sand of this material has the same energy content as 1 gallon of rocket fuel.
    To power a rocket, the team has devised a system in which a powerful magnetic field causes large metal rings to implode around this plasma, compressing it to a fusion state. The converging rings merge to form a shell that ignites the fusion, but only for a few microseconds. Even though the compression time is very short, enough energy is released from the fusion reactions to quickly heat and ionize the shell. This super-heated, ionized metal is ejected out of the rocket nozzle at a high velocity. This process is repeated every minute or so, propelling the spacecraft.
    The UW-MSNW team has successfully demonstrated the metal-crushing process in the UW Plasma Dynamics Laboratory in Redmond. The team had a sample of the collapsed, fist-sized aluminum ring resulting from one of those tests on hand for people to see and touch at the recent NASA symposium.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/04/130404135202.htm

    • Peter Roe

      It sounds like trying to propel your car by making a small hole in the back end, then detonating a small lump of TNT in the boot (trunk) every minute or two. If it worked it would result in alternating zero G and regular pulses of many G – most uncomfortable.

      I think something similar was proposed in the 50’s, which involved detonating small hydrogen bombs every few seconds, behind a massive shield plate attached to a spacecraft. This idea seems to be 19th century thinking applied to 21st century technology.

      • Joseph J

        The team had a sample of the collapsed, fist-sized aluminum ring resulting from one of those tests on hand for people to see and touch at the recent NASA symposium.

        Is there no radiation involved?

      • GreenWin

        Some kinds of science insist on hitting matter with a hammer to obtain a result. Think early man with a club. When that fails to produce the expected result… (ahem, hot fusion) the next idea is to use a bigger hammer! 🙂

        Big HAMMER physics.

        • Omega Z

          GW

          Focardi’s mantra.
          To Rossi-Hit it with a hammer to make it work!
          To Rossi to stop it- Hit it with a bigger hammer…
          🙂

  • georgehants

    OilPrice.com
    Why Are the Big Financial Institutions Selling Oil BIG?
    A Crude LENR Hypothesis
    So. What if the banks know about LENR and they are preparing for the oil price to plunge. It would make some kind of sense looking at their actions. It’s reasonable to expect that when the possibilities of LENR becomes widely known by the public, that will be the case. It might drop by 80%,
    http://oilprice.com/Finance/investing-and-trading-reports/Why-Are-the-Big-Financial-Institutions-Selling-Oil-BIG.html

  • http://neotreksoftware.com Allan Shura

    I am pleased that the 5 kW hr device is still the form of a product
    prototype not too big for small power producers or generators.

    I am also thrilled they moverd to Vancouver near my area for
    a round of research (perhaps encouraged with some incentives).

    There is one item that surprises me a bit that the cost is
    quoted at at 3.5 cents a kW hr to produce power. Hydro is
    5 cents a kW hr and Rossi says less than 1 cent a kilowatt
    hour.

    The first manufacturer with a small portable unit will gain a
    lot over competitors.

    • http://neotreksoftware.com Allan Shura

      Oh thats .035 cents a KWh very cost effective!

      • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

        cost of the fuel.
        if you amortize the investment in the reactor, the price of kWh is just much lower (about 10 times less than nuke, from my old computation).

      • Fibb

        we have a saying on theeestory.com… bloggers don’t read.

        try again…. ” They expect to be able to produce power for around 0.35 cents per kilowatt-hour.”

        • Jimr

          I must be missing something also. It says $.035 to me thats 3 and a half cents., EX: $ 2.03 or $ 2.035 would be 2 dollars and 3 and a half cents. Ther is no mention of cents in the article.

  • Grumpkin

    This is disheartening news to me. I have been believing in Defkalion and Rossi but when I hear that Sterling Allen is reporting on it I know it is complete nonsense. The last 758 “new energy revolutions” he rerported on were complete baloney. He hasnt report a single device that actually works. Not one.

    I guess we hope Rossi is the exception to that rule? Ugh. I would have rather have read that the Weekly World News wrote a story on them. It could go right next to the bat boy article

    • Roger Bird

      LOL

    • Invy

      I have the same opinion of PESN, just seeing the ads for “this secret energy scares the feds blah blah, click here to buy the plans” is a good signal…

      • stuey81

        why would he have things like that on his site i wonder? he either believes he has plans to over unity devices, or he is completely aware the secret plans on his web site are bogus and he him self is a fraud? either way mr allen doesnt fill me with much confidence.stuff like that is what i would classify as dis-information, the more websites that spruke rubbish plans for perpetual motion machines, the more people wont give genuine breakthrus in science a look in – my two cents

        • stuey81

          look at youtube, its literally full of perpetual magnet motors, people that have somehow managed to overcome friction and magnetic lockup, i dont know what drives people to make these fake videos, but what im saying is that there might actually be something real on there but you would never be able to find it due to having to sift thru tens of thousands of videos that are fake – im curious to know why people waste there time? is it perhaps because they tried to make a real perpetual motion machine and failed? all the plans on mr allens web site, why do these exist? why were they drawn? steorn motor <- what a joke, are these people complusive liars, delusional, or scammers – your thoughts?

          • buffalo

            lol! Dont be too sure of yourself stuey.it has been confirmed that perpetual motions of the 2nd kind do in fact work.the inventors of these usualy face same dilemas as lenr inventors,ie.mainstream acceptance,however a few low-powered devices do get through and are already on market shelves.

            • stuey81

              buffalo, sorry um unfamiliar with the term “perpetual motion machines of the 2nd kind” would you care to elaborate on this for me please? also where are these market shelves located?

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      separate the concern.
      what he report is visibly sincere. moreover it is not a report but an audio… What Alexandros Xanthoulis says is told by an economist and a CEO… be careful.
      what Sterling believe is another question. I disagree with him, but i trust his reports. He can change opinion, which is not so common in mainstream.

    • Grumpkin

      I hope your logic is somehow right but it boils down to we think that this is the exception to the 758 non existent energy revolutions.

      And i dont buy into any conspiracies that all of those inventions were suppressed by baddies.

      • stuey81

        +1 ecat world needs to distance its self from the likes of sterling allen jl nauldin etc

    • Lukedc

      I wouldn’t worry too much. Sterling is a bit of a weirdo but Defkalion are loyal. It was Sterling who spoke with them and visited when they were getting ridiculed for having an idea. They are just honouring that loyalty. Sterling is nothing if not persistent. He hounds everyone that he considers having something constantly for updates.

  • Roger Bird

    There is no conspiracy, unless you include the conspiracy to not look foolish, and a news media that looks foolish in the eyes of the public is dead meat. It is all about credibility. I overheard this in my imagination:

    ABC Reporter returning from Rossi demo: “Chief, it really works. I saw it with my own eyes. Let’s put it on the front page!!”

    ABC Editor: “Kent, you got punked (that’s how they talked way back in 2011). I talked with our science editor while you were in Italy. It can’t happen. It violates the laws of physics. Get a grip, Kent. Don’t you think that scientists all over the world would be excited about it if it were possible. Rossi is not even a scientist and has a shady past. Just file it under ‘Interesting trip to Italy’ and forget about it.”

    No conspiracy, other than a lack of guts, lack of people thinking for themselves, and a lack of clarity of thought. Notice in my imaginary scenario the appeal to authority all over the place. There is also an ad hominum argument. Clarity of thought got lost in the 27th episode of Lavern and Shirley, the 18th marijuana joint, and the 11th visit to a porno site.

    • dzejk

      Reporters will not write articles based on what Rossi said. AFAIK there was no credible demo so far, maybe that is the main reason mainstream media ignores this topic.

      • Roger Bird

        dzejk, I guess that you weren’t around in October of 2011 and before. There were several very “credible” demonstrations. In attendance was the former president of the Swedish Skeptical Society and several other very heavy weight people. The problem, of course, was that the heavy weights did not have control over what was happening, but they were very convinced at the time.

        • dzejk

          Roger, even if there was a demo, what do you expect from media/science? We are all waiting for Rossi’s final step – release of the 3rd party report and working power plant. The former should be released in the second half of this month. If it is not I will be very disappointed.

          • Roger Bird

            I have pegged my disappoint to happen on the morning May 1st, and at that time I will also be very disappointed.

            • robyn wyrick

              Maybe, but I don’t recall Rossi saying anyithing definite about April, just hopes, and that he is not in control of the process.

              But I hope it is April.

              • Peter Roe

                Rossi says that the pilot hot-cat plant will be delivered at the end of April, and has promised (sort of) some kind of picture of the delivery. I doubt we’ll hear anything of substance though until the recipient has had time to test and troubleshoot the plant, and maybe not even then.

                This is now just a standard commercial transaction, which will be carried out in the normal way – i.e. without any public announcements, unless and until a full ‘launch’ is undertaken.

                Rossi would need to seek permission from his associates if he wanted to give out any information out on a public forum, and it’s difficult to see what the partner would have to gain from premature publicity.

                I think the foot stampers and whiners may need to grow up a bit. We have long since moved from Rossi’s idiosyncratic ways of doing things to normal corporate commerce, and will be kept informed only to the extent that this may suit the purposes of the partner corporation. I’m sure that Rossi is as frustrated by this as some of the more petulant commenters on this blog obviously are.

                • Roger Bird

                  “petulant”? I resemble that remark!

                • Peter Roe

                  🙂

            • GreenWin

              About three weeks away Rog. Might want to stock up on Valium 🙂

              • Roger Bird

                I don’t do drugs. I’ll just take a deep breath and get interested in something else, like perhaps some other LENR company, and nickelpower.com will keep me appraised of any significant developments.

          • GreenWin

            Actually any of the demos could’ve served as public demonstration clearly showing excess heat. But the AP reporter and photog were ordered to ignore the E-Cat Oct 28th demo, in an apparent attempt to hush the success of the event up.

            But that would take an extraordinary application of privilege which the US government has no access to in the case of Italian e-cat resources. The last actual press coverage outside the iron curtain was Fox News inquiry to SPAWAR (2011.) The Supreme Court is clear on prior restraint of press – it is unlawful and unconstitutional.

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      +1
      right, no conspiracy, just selfish adaptation to the environment, leading to lack of guts.

      add to that rational acceptance of group delusion, because disagreeing will make you look foolish and give you no advantage, just the definitive feeling all the planet is crazy.
      this is the theory of roland benabou:
      http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Groupthink%20IOM%207p%20paper.pdf

  • Barry

    Off topic. Future Energy at MIT was an exciting event, bottom line it looks like the future holds less expensive solar panels and more efficient batteries. UPower (small scale nuclear fission in a container 10’x10’x20’ using low enriched uranium rather than highly enriched) got top vote. They were on their home turf being from MIT. SmartPwr came in last, go figure.

    I was amazed how many intelligent people in that room didn’t know what Cold Fusion/ LENR was. I asked MIT students and none of them knew who Peter Hagelstein was or that there was a CF devise running at MIT for six months last year.

    The highlight of the night was talking with William Rensink representing Gamechanger at Shell International Exploration & Production. Shell was the Platinum Sponsor for the event. I asked him why a big oil company would sponsor alternative energies. He said at Shell they realize oil is not going to last forever. I asked him what he thought about CF and he said Cold Fusion is a definite phenomenon and Shell is keeping a watchful eye on it. Problem being so many companies are producing different numbers (COP?) and he continued if you could switch on a device and switch it off again you’d have a viable product (I’m paraphrasing). In the back of my mind I picture big oil tycoons looking like Dick Cheney with a big cigar in his mouth but WR was probably 20 years younger than myself and seemed interested in looking ahead to when oil starts drying up. Perhaps in the future they will become Shell Energy.

    I think the real opponents to CF are not so much Big Oil, but other nuclear people. My perspective is there are three nuclear camps, the Hot Fission group, the Hot Fusion group, and the under acknowledged Cold Fusion group and never the three shall meet like three opposing political parties.

    • Tangled Connections

      Sounds like an exciting event. Thanks for the insight.

    • artefact

      <I asked him what he thought about CF and he said Cold Fusion is a definite phenomenon and Shell is keeping a watchful eye on it.

      Thank you Barry.
      You got an interesting answer! The same that Defkalion told us about oil companys btw.

    • NJT

      “I asked MIT students and none of them knew who Peter Hagelstein was or that there was a CF devise running at MIT for six months last year.”

      It seems that MIT insured that professor Hagelstein and his CF device were made almost invisible!

      Thanks Barry for your time and reporting back to us on this…
      NJT

      • georgehants

        +1

    • Dave Lawton

      Barry.
      Shell took out a Patent for LENR years ago,They are just keeping their powder dry.

      • Barry

        Yeah, he told me Shell was looking into CF but they aboandoned it along with the masses. It’s just odd that he was the most knowledgeble and open minded of all the people I spoke with. Some of the hot fission students were so down on hot fusion that they told me they wouldn’t even look into Cold Fusion. To them fusion was fusion. They seemed as angry about the Toakamak as Michael McKubre was on 60 minutes.

        • GreenWin

          Shell would be crazy not to have an active if quiet LENR project tucked away. I imagine all major oilcos do.

  • Jack

    Actually Defkalion can not run single reactor before catching one of Rossi’s E-Cat reactors and examining it.

    • Peter Roe

      That’s a rather old and tattered disinfo assertion. Please bring yourself up to speed – you could start by looking into the summary of Michael Nelson’s visit to DGT:

      http://www.scribd.com/doc/110777715/Summary-of-Visit-to-Defkalion

      • Barry

        I don’t know Peter, the “***Extremely Confidential***Defkalion Proprietary Information” pasted on every page make me a little suspicious, seems a bit sophomoric.

        • Peter Roe

          I’m sure that this ‘secret’ report was meant to be ‘leaked’ Barry, but essentially it is still an informal third party report by a respected scientist. I tend to think that it is genuine – unless DGT went to great lengths to deceive Nelson (which is always possible I suppose).

  • FlanOBrien

    Actually the DGT CEO’s complete sentence was ” unveil a prototype by the end of 2012 or in January 2013 at the latest”

    Serious business people do not set expectations and then fail to meet them, especially a CEO and especially on the world stage at NI Week.

    They claim a prototype running for 8 months, so the prototype was ready.

    Maybe PESN/ECW could ask Defkalion why they did not deliver on expectations they set, because questions from individuals got deleted from their forum.

    • Veblin

      Working with the Fringe?
      http://wavewatching.net/fringe/keep-it-at-an-arms-length/#comment-2336

      spacegoat says:
      April 5, 2013 at 11:25 am
      Especially the DGT CEO NI Week trumpet claim “we will unveil an industrial prototype by end of year or in Jan 2013 at the latest”. Well they claim a prototype running for 8 months, so in theory the device was ready.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Why did Defkalion move to Vancouver? Wonder if it had anything to do with the ongoing legal action Rossi has brought against Defkalion?

    • mcloki

      Or just Greece being Greece

    • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

      You think Vancouver is a safe place to avoid legal action? Canada is a lawless nation?

      Don’t believe everything you think.

      • artefact

        Maybe Rossi has some influence via Stremenos in Greece.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Certainly more expensive to pursue a legal action against someone.

    • Omega Z

      Bernie

      LENR is a Capitol Risk venture to begin with. Very Few want the Additional Risk of Investing in a Country that’s in a Dire Financial State.

  • Robert

    First, I am an optimistic follower of LENR. I have to balance my desire for working, public available reactors (from either Rossi or Defkalion) with my sense of logic and reality.

    As far as comspiracy theories, I put little faith in them.

    As far as established scientific community being closed minded to “outside the box” thinking, I am pretty certain it happens.

    However, both areas probably do have thier exceptions:

    I can see conspiracy projects in certain areas, such as those involved in large funding of current hot fusion research projects.

    I also know that many scientist are truly open minded and would breach the curtain of close minded thinking IF sufficient data was available. (I believe that data is available. Whether a working reactor is or not, I do not know)

    So here is where I am perplexed. In America, market competition is everything. Apple vs Samsung. Ford vs Toyota. Yankees vs Redsox.
    McDonalds vs Burger King. Every company strives to get the next advantage over the other. There is ALWAYS some startup that will jump at any invention that will propel it to the front of the game.

    If Defkalion and Rossi have “proved” thier reactor to many companies, I do not believe for one moment that ALL of them would have kept quiet.
    There would be some rumblings if not out right publication of the venture.

    On our government level, do not be mislead. The competition there is even more severe than in the private sector. Do not think for one moment that if the Republican party new about LENR being close to market, they would not be roasting the Democrate for spending billions in “green” technology. If the Democrats new about it, they would be roasting the Republicans about thier “Big Oil” ties and accusing them of
    hiding LENR.

    There are independant politicians that would be on the roof tops yelling about LENR and the establishment. My point goes on.

    Market ready or near ready LENR reactors could not be kept totally hidden. Certain private companies “in the know” would leverage this to the advantage and so would certain politicians.

    So there lies my delima. Not that LENR is not real, but I am finding it harder to believe that a market ready reactor is close to being available. I HOPE that I am wrong, but am getting doubtful.

    Especially as I see the claims of BlackLight, Roener Brothers (both companies) and the multitude of inventions tracked by PESN, they all seem to have one thing in common…. “we will have it ready in 6 months”. But 6 months never comes.

    And as ALWAYS, the illusive NDA keeps everyone in the dark. I understand NDA as far as technology, but I do NOT believe that everyone would require a NDA about being involved, or conducting tests. etc. National Instruments certainly does not have a problem disclosing thier interest in LENR, yet they have not even given Rossi a “ringing” endorsement. The NDA is becoming quite trouble some as well.

    I had big hopes with Rossi’s test last year, but it fizzled. I had hopes for the third party test last fall. My hope for this one has been greatly diminished. If it turns out to be a dud, I am afraid it may put a nail in the coffin for me and Rossi. The same for Defkalion. They were going to actually sell products the summer of 2013. They were releasing a third party test the fall of 2013.

    Will the end of April come with no report? Will August come at NI week with another disappointment? If history is an example, I am afraid so.

    But we will see and keep our collective fingers crossed.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Robert…….When you state, “I had big hopes with Rossi’s test last year, but it fizzled”, are you referring to the Oct 2011 test? If so why do you say it fizzled? If you are not referring to the Oct 2011 test, why do you discount this test? Don’t get me wrong, I consider you a responsible skeptic.

      • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

        From a technical perspective we have no idea whether it fizzled or not. From a public perception standpoint, it was worse than neutral. The expectation was that AP was going to report on it. Instead the attendees had to report that for all intents and purposes they saw nothing.

        The one report of technological success was made by an anonymous person — useless.

        The October 2011 test seriously fizzled!

        • Robert

          Bernie,
          I was talking about the Aug. 2012 test data that was supposed to be released. After which, a Leonardo Corp. licensee backed out and even published on thier website that thier test showed no over unity effect and they with drew thier funding.

          If I remember correctly, two third party tests were supposed to be given in the fall of 2012. One from Defkalion and one from Rossi. One involved an engineer from NASA (although this was not a NASA endorsed test). So neither camp came through with any test data that was the “pot of gold” we were hoping for. The “independance” was put in question and the report seemed very amature at best.

          I really want Rossi or Defkalion to be truthful when they state they are “ready to sell” reactors. It appears the other players (Brillion, Celani, Miles, Hagelsten, etc.) are a long time away from any type commerically viable unit.

          But events such as the “22 Steps” blog, “Cures” and other insiders dropping out of the picture so to speak, does not present a positive picture. I hear of no true insiders speaking up anymore.

          However, as long as they are not scamming people out of money and not harming others, hopefully no harm done and it certainly is an interesting story to follow!

          Although I must say, I feel like a freshman close to the high school prom…. I get my hopes up that the pretty girl will attend when I ask, and keep getting turned down! After a while, your hopes fade and you quit expecting a positive answer. I am almost at the “jilted eCat” stage…. my expectations have been greatly dimished!

          (But I cling to some hope)

          • GreenWin

            It helps to have strong nails. Consider a good quality manicure prior to clinging.

          • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

            Defkalion Hyperion tsting by Nelson is confirmed by Gibbs, son this fact alone, with a COP of 3 should shake the planet.
            It did not even make some people question …
            I understand that some may not be sure, or be doubtful, but SURE IT WOULD BE RATIONAL TO THINK ABOUT LENR AS EVENTUALLY REAL WITH even few % probability. It did not happens, so mainstream is not rational… they are in Roland Benabou “groupthink collective delusion”.

            Defkalion seems to have rationally done the third party tests, and kept them under NDA, then let partners do their own test…
            after all the mainstream will not change opinion until it is sold, no test can convince.

            they follow the strategy promoted by Millis
            http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?804-Why-Reactors-demo-and-proofs-are-so-weak&p=2960&highlight=millis#post2960


            Risk:(For commercial research) Competitive advantage weakened from premature disclosure

            Mitigation:
            Threshold of attention is when device can be engineered.

            Disclose only enough for independent verification of key principles, not device, not best demo.

            After independent verification, advertise improved version whose performance is more pronounced than verification demo

    • Andrew

      This makes a lot of sense. I am starting to fall into your camp as well. Just waiting for the end of April now.

    • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

      Robert: I strongly agree with the first part of your message, until the “perplexed” sentence. (After that, yes and no.)

    • Shane D.

      Robert,

      Keep in mind that there are lots of reputable individuals and institutions with inside exposure to and knowledge of Rossi, DGT, Brillouin etc. that haven’t “taken to the rooftops” to claim fraud either.

      What to me is most remarkable about this whole thing is the lack of any confirmation, good or bad, by now. With so many involved as you point out, it seems something should have surfaced by now, one way or the other.

      It’s also hard to believe, with all this interesting activity, that mainstream media hasn’t latched onto this and done some in depth investigation to get to the bottom of it. Either way it’s a great story: one of the largest green scams in history, or one of the greatest discoveries of our time. What reporter wouldn’t want to be the one to break this story?

      • c. kirk

        +1

      • NJT

        “What reporter wouldn’t want to be the one to break this story?”

        Apparently none of em – but why is the question…

        • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

          An analogous case: Astronomers are telling us that there is a 0.1% chance that Mars might be destroyed by an apocalyptic cometary impact in October 19, 2014 (comet 2013 A1 Siding Spring). One would think that it would be big news, yet the media and scientists are relatively silent about it. It seems to be human nature that if a matter is in some sense too big, it tends to be pushed aside and ignored. Although at the same time people love science fiction and watch catastrophe movies.

      • GreenWin

        All this false doubt. We have 11 e-cat demos and hundreds of peer reviewed papers confirm excess heat and nuclear effects in LENR experiments.

        The hidden source of catalyst comes from pioneers in the art. In the end the pioneers will have had a better playbook. Its a very small group, and the plays are coming off winningly.

  • Fyodor

    I am a little dubious that they’ve been receiving interview requests from mainstream news outlets but chose instead to talk to PESN. I guess we wait until August and see what shows up.

  • georgehants

    So the History of the coverup and conspiracy against Cold Fusion will be available for the future.
    Many science institutions will be trying to quickly delete and remove all Evidence they can, on this and many other subjects showing their involvement in these crimes.
    —-
    TimesLive
    For centuries the library has kept a copy of every book, pamphlet, magazine and newspaper published in Britain. Starting Saturday, it will also be bound to record every British website, e-book, online newsletter and blog in a bid to preserve the nation’s “digital memory.”
    http://www.timeslive.co.za/lifestyle/2013/04/05/british-library-sets-to-archive-the-web

    • sempervivum

      I can still vividly recall that the BBC was very quick to run an hour long documentary basically exposing cold fusion as a hoax shortly after P&F announcement .

  • FlanOBrien

    For those with short memories, at the 2012 NI Week, Alexandros Xanthoulis, CEO of Defkalion promised to unveil an industrial prototype by the end of 2012.

    • artefact

      The interview says: “the move took longer than expected”. Maybe that is the reason.

    • Veblin

      Timelines slip and what does unveil really mean.

      March 1, 2013
      We are accepting in our laboratory, interested companies requesting to conduct common R&D on applications of our technology.

  • Curbina

    I can say that I kept e-mailing with DGT for several months and this is completely consistent of what I garnered through those communications that were aimed to stablish a R&D partnering towards an specific application. It was not fruitful because I could not garner enough interest on my side to go to the next step that requires significant investment on our part.

    • artefact

      Thanks for sharing!

      • Curbina

        You’re wellcome, it’s just my personal experience with them, they have a very clear strategy, and are cristal clear to tell what they require from you to do bussiness with them. They don’t ask for money, never, but they do ask for you to perform several activities that indeed require to invest the kind of money that only a very serious group could afford. This is a very easy way for them to know if you are being serious about your interest in performing an R&D agreement with them.

  • Karl

    It looks to me that Defkalion is tactically position their company to gain, perhaps funding, from the coming release of the independent Hot Cat report.
    Once this verification is out various LENR projects would start to more easily attract substantial funding.
    After the release of a positive report, I imagine it’s only fools in the science community that can continue to ignore Cold Fusion et al if they are not paid debunkers of course. Major mass media position, of course under economic and false scientific priesthoods control, will likely continue their silly silent game play but regardless this, it will work much longer.
    The flow of gains and possibilities for individuals and companies will be overwhelming once this new energy sources are becoming available in the public mind. The remaining barricades of whatever type will be swept away in the stream down the drain.

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      don’t expect any visible change in the media ban…
      Scientist organization won’t change pôsition. like with NRL they will deny any participation. Journalist, except few geeks, won’t talk of that…

      Businessmen will continue, as today, to work on that subject and ask for silence and privacy.

      • dzejk

        I cannot understand why some people still push conspiracy theories in the age of internet. Today it is impossible to manipulate/stop the truth.

        If Rossi actauly releases a working LENR device he would not need any marketing. ‘Geeks’ like us would imediately spread the good news.

        • artefact

          >he would not need any marketing
          he and Defkalion (like written in the text) do not seem to need (much) marketing.

        • Peter Roe

          No conspiracy? So why didn’t the AP reporter at Rossi’s demo actually report on it? Why have many people on this blog contacted reporters, politicians, departments of energy etc. about CF, only to be ignored or sent a brush-off letter? Why have there not been any TV reports or documentaries in the English-speaking world (and only 1 or 2 elsewhere)? Your very use of the propaganda phrase ‘conspiracy theory’ shows just how easy it is to make anything you choose look like a paranoid delusion (just read some early Mark Gibbs articles in Forbes mag to see this in action).

          Its a numbers game dzezik – how many people do you imagine regularly visit blogs like this, and are aware of what is happening with cold fusion? a couple of thousand?, 5,000? Work out what proportion of the adult population that represents to estimate how far the ‘news’ has spread so far. You could probably ask several thousand people in the street before you found one who was up to speed.

          • georgehants

            Anybody who still believes that the World is not full of conspiracies will find it very difficult to be taken seriously on any subject.

            • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

              I think that vacuum is a better approximation to government than conspiracy. But also, conspiracy is a loaded word which means different things to different people, therefore I rarely use it.

              • georgehants

                Would you not agree that if somebody likes or dislikes something that has nothing whatsoever to do with the Truth.
                Conspiracy simply means, two or more people conspiring to commit a crime.
                As with Cold Fusion and many other things it is only the severity of the crime that is an issue, the conspiracy by many is self-evident.
                Do you not believe it is time to stop defending the conspiracies in this World and take a firm stand against them for the good of “people”

                • NJT

                  +1 for George…

                • GreenWin

                  Conspiracy?? Maybe. But someone has to explain why APS columnist Bob L Park demands a State Department weapons specialist “Kill” a Congressional Open House on Cold Fusion/alternative energy.

        • Iggy Dalrymple

          “The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. …In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”
          ― Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~

          “There is no such thing, at this stage of the world’s history in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dare write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my papers, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.” – NYT writer, John Swinton, at his retirement dinner.

          • HeS

            +1

          • NJT

            Igggy, These quotations are right on the money – unfortunately for us peons that the PTB depend on to stay in power? YIKES!
            What did I just say…

            • sempervivum

              Yes ,I agree right on the money when it comes to the politics of energy motivated regime change.

          • Ash

            I should point out that Swinton said that in 1880, and he had not written for the New York Times for decades at that point. Far from retiring, he later launched his own paper, which promoted his radical ideas on trade unions, and disproved this statement.

        • Roger Bird

          Excuse me, “geeks like us”, I resemble that remark, but only slightly. I use both sides of my brain and I care about other people. Although, I confess that my social skills could be better. (:->) And Iggy and Bruce Fast are certainly not geeks.

          • Iggy Dalrymple

            Well, maybe Bruce qualifies. He has software patents.

            • Roger Bird

              Impressive. I didn’t know he was so smart. Perhaps this is why he can afford to live dang near in the Arctic in the dark woods of . . . . I won’t say since I don’t want angry hot fusionists visiting him some day.

      • Peter Roe

        … and politicians will continue to gouge their ‘green’ taxes and nuclear power subsidies from us until the day they are unceremoniously kicked out of office…

  • Roger Bird

    This is exactly just like “Rossi says”, only we shall call it . . . . hmmm “Defkalion says”.

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      yes. right.
      It is just that they speak less, and thus have a shortest log of errors, lies…
      I notice that what Defkalion says is no real news, since all is expected If you believe in the fact they have a reactor…

      their ideas are classic, the result, like other LENR stories… their strategy is normal. the reaction of others is interesting, but it seems the rule to be privately enthusiast on LENR in business, and visibly silent.

  • Silvio Balatelli

    He reports that they are having a high level of interest from companies around the world; over 400 companies have contacted the company, and they have selected 19 to work with so far.

    For the time being, confirmation of a single one of these 19 companies would be a great leap forward, so we can believe that any of this is real. Same applies for Rossi, by the way.

  • David

    Hypothetical question!
    Let’s play with the idea that we have a big scam.
    Both Rossi and Defkalion fool us.

    What responsibility does the national instrument as “markets” Defkalion. National instruments invite Defkalion to NI Week 2013, and will show a demo.

    Concrete!
    They invite a company, who stole a business idea from a person who claims to have invented a dream machine.

    This is probably the most controversial over controversial story I ever heard.

    • artefact

      🙂

      Well, we will see. Until we see, I enjoy living in the present because maybe present gets erased by the future quickly.

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      let us assume that earth does not exist and is a scam.
      imagine the responsibility for Nasa sending photo of earth from the moon ?

      maybe the question is meaningless.

  • http://brak piosk

    it makes me confused if I can read about power 5kW per hour.
    How can I trust someone to be inventor of power generating machine if that person miss concept of power and energy units ???

    • Salvatore

      eh eh maybe he just means that after one hour working at 5kW the reactor exploded

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      he is the boss… an economist.
      I’m shocked by many people out of engineerin mix kWh and kW, and thing that kW is kWh/h (which is funny for me)… me I know W and J

      • http://robrites.blogspot.com Rob Lewis

        Yes! One of my pet peeves, though usually I see it in media reports written by people with no scientific knowledge (“The new solar plant will generate 5 megawatts per year!”)

        Sheesh.

      • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

        Judging from how AR uses it, perhaps in his youth they indeed used to write kWh/h. In any case, it’s not wrong, just superfluous because h/h=1. Before seeing Rossi using it, I hadn’t seen it earlier, though.

      • Michael

        kWh/h, MWh/h or GWh/h is not a strange way of describing the load in for example the gas or electricity grid. Interpret it as an average value during one hour. It is simply a standard way of describing production or demand. If you look at the demand in a single-family house is is often the average value during 15 minutes.

        • Peter Roe

          That’s right – kWh/h is standard electrical engineering usage to accommodate a variable output or input, and simply represents the average power in kW over a period.

          • Omega Z

            I Read a Description of meanings a while back.
            It described Kw, joules Etc. What they stood for and how they were used differently at different times with different interpretations & that Even the Experts in the Field get confused & can’t always keep it straight.

            That’s when it hit me.
            All the Terms & Uses were Written by Lawyers.:)

            • Peter Roe

              And traditionally anything written by a lawyer is open to ‘interpretation’!

  • Joaquim Procopio

    Please, we should be more careful when using power units. As stated above, 5 kW per hour is meaningless. It could be just 5 kW (as power) or 5 kW x hour which would be energy expenditure.

  • georgehants

    Huffington Post
    Center for Public Integrity
    Secret Files Expose Offshore’s Global Impact
    “I’ve never seen anything like this. This secret world has finally been revealed,” said Arthur Cockfield, a law professor and tax expert at Queen’s University in Canada, who reviewed some of the documents during an interview with the CBC. He said the documents remind him of the scene in the movie classic The Wizard of Oz in which “they pull back the curtain and you see the wizard operating this secret machine.”
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/03/offshore-companies-politicians_n_3008426.html

    • Ash

      This report is just CPI agitating to get rid of financial privacy and make sure all countries have high tax rates. Ironically, many of the people busted for wanting some privacy are liberals and progressives.

      The OECD have been pursuing this ‘one world’ dream of banking laws and taxes for many years now. Surprised to see support for it here of all places.

    • Gerrit

      thanks for bringing this up !

      it is very disturbing to know that so many wealthy people are hiding their money to avoid paying taxes and that all big companies use similar constructs to avoid paying taxes.

      a whole business is built on providing such services to wealthy people and companies and they are even bluntly advertizing such schemes. It is regarded as perfectly normal. Public companies believe they have the obligation to use these constructs to reduce operating costs.

      It’s not hard to imagine how many other things are also completely rigged.

      Blessed are the ignorant, for they live in a righteous world.

  • Anders

    5 kW per hour?

  • pg

    count down to ecat report: 10

    • Peter Roe

      Based on what? No publication date has been given.

      • pg

        approximate date based on Rossi’s statement. after D day I might start a count up.

        • Peter Roe

          I’m afraid that would have no more meaning than an arbitrary count down – although it could get irritating. Perhaps you are trying to make some point?

          • pg

            i think it s easy to see where I am going with it.

            The higher goes the count up, the lower goes everything else.

            • Peter Roe

              As the ‘count’ is meaningless, so is ‘everything else’.

              • GreenWin

                Peter, hear the hissing? Gromphadorhina madagascariensis.

                • Peter Roe

                  I had to look that one up – but how very apt!

  • artefact

    @Frank:
    You write: “that heating the average home”
    PESN wrote: “that home heat AND electricity”

  • buffalo

    8 months without recharge.impressive i dare say.

    • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

      classic from what is said before by DGt and rossi.
      it seems mostly it is hydrogen leak, not nickel , or hydrogen transmutation.

      • artefact

        Yes, Rossi said once, that the reactor could run much longer, they just want to check if everything is ok (safety).
        He also said that probably the 6 month timeframe can be extended after enough data is available.

        • Omega Z

          artefact

          In 1 of Rossi’s posts, He stated that the secret sauce needs to be replenished at 6 month intervals. Also as you said, for safety data collection & studying the condition of the cores for longevity data.

          He also said in the Future that the recharge period would possibly be extended as they learn more about the cores Longevity.

          I Noticed recently that he increased the expected service life/Guarantee to 30 years & suspects they will be good for 50 with some minor refurbishing at some interval.

  • georgehants

    Government intelligence analyst Beverly Barnhart complains to New Energy Times about leak published by New Energy Times. Barnhart threatens legal
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBm3xZA5xmU

    • Methusela

      It’s about time someone sued him.

      • http://www.drboblog.com DrBob

        omg, picture and audio file on youtube.
        poor woman…

        Have to admire how professional she dealt with the situation though!

      • Lukedc

        +1
        Utterly useless interviewer and an extremely poor understanding of even rudimentary physics…

      • http://www.lenrnews.eu/lenr-summary-for-policy-makers/ AlainCo

        I said you, ealier that it is impossible to have a public position on cold fusion…
        however many people work on that subject and are open to make science and business, provided it is kept private.

        • http://www.drboblog.com DrBob

          He takes “out of the box thinking” to another level, thats for sure.

    • GreenWin

      Publishing the name of a government employee is somehow a violation?? How is that? A government employee works for the people.