Ugo Abundo Demonstrates Simple Experiment (Video)

Ugo Abundo is the instructor at Pirelli High School in Rome who became well known in the LENR community for leading a student project in building a cell designed to demonstrate cold fusion. In this video, Abundo demonstrates an experimental setup designed to demonstrate an LENR phenomenon.

I’m not exactly sure what this experiment is supposed to prove — he shows that at a fully developed plasma production in the device no electromagnetic waves are detected. Abundo says that this is the first of two videos, the second one will apparently show a more complex device — probably the hydrobetatron which the Pirelli project has been building over the last year.

  • Roger Bird

    I don’t see that this is an “experiment”. There is no measurement of heat. It is an interesting demonstration. It is not an experiment.

  • Chuck

    I can suggest a modification of the circuit that might point to something a bit more solid.

    Why not shield one electrode from the other with an impermeable membrane? That would avoid the issue of the electrolysis products (H2 and O2) recombining in the arc (that would represent simple combustion). Combustion would certainly alter the V-I profile.

    One migth also dispense with a membrane and simply connect two beakers, one electrode per beaker, with a salt bridge (solution of salt in a U-shaped tube inverted into the solution). (Electrolysis products conducted away to the exhaust hood seaparately)

  • robyn wyrick

    We’ve seen a bunch of these on Youtube. But I chime in with the folks here who weary of these demonstrations without the critical information: COP.

    I am eager to see what happens with this work, and definitely support (and contribute to) the MFMP (who released a similar video), but mostly I am of the mind that the burden of proof rests on us.

    We can complain all we want about how bad (really bad) the energy sector and its apologists are: but unless our alternative stands on it’s own feet, we’ve got little to say.

    I am a big proponent of alternative energy technologies, but please, can we get solid data on energy production?

    My $0.02.

  • I find this video compelling. What I see is a strong divergence between energy in and apparent energy out. As the voltage is increased, the current goes down. When this happens the energy being put into the system is literally dropping. (Energy, again can be measured by voltage * amperage.)

    Is calorimetry called for? Oh yes? Is the idea worth pursuing? Absolutely? Has this phenomenon been noticed by undersea welders and the like? Maybe so, so what? If people don’t know to be looking for LENR, if people believe that LENR is not something to be looking for, they often simply don’t see it.

    In a couple of years my very science-focused daughter will be doing the science fair. She and her dad are likely to build one of these for the science fair.

    More importantly, however, if this really is LENR, then the number of people with the technical skill to reproduce LENR becomes huge. What is called for is a simple calorimetry system.

  • Allen Gage

    I see no reason for excitement in an a submerged electric arc. Aren’t such phenomonea routinely common in underwater welding? As others have pointed out, it’s just an electric arc under water, with no measurement of energy in compared to energy out.

  • Sanjeev

    Its not enough to show glowing plasma or secondary effects (like rf). He needs to measure output energy also. I’ve not yet seen such measurements in any of these wet lenr experiments, may be I missed it.

    Input is easy to measure, its about 400W here. I doubt that there will be a 10x or 20x output here (else the water will vaporize in an instant). Hopefully the next video will show output.

    • Chris I

      So am I waiting for them to conduct good calorimetry, before I’ll be hopping from foot to foot about it. But to be fair, you ought to remember about the inversion point; the current decreases so much that the power decreases too. There’s less than a hundred W by the time you see the greatest pyrotechnical display.

      Still, a relevant COP would mean several hundred W or getting on for 1kW and the bubbling doesn’t look anywhere near that.

  • Remi Andre

    Two things :
    1/ Anybody have an idea why there’s an inversion point ? I mean why do we observe the decrease of the current while the voltage is rising ?

    2/ Why do we observe RF wave during the ignition and nothing afterwards ?

    Any idea(s) gentlemen/ladies ?

    • buffalo

      yes remi. 1) as the voltage rises more bubbles of H2 and O2 are being released thus insulating and increasing resistance to current flow,common in all electrolysis cells.2) the microvibrations at both electrodes from all this activity send out radiofrequency

      • Remi Andre

        Thank you for this clear explanation

      • GreenWin

        buffalo, do the vibrations end abruptly? And due to what phenomenon?

    • It has moved into the negitive resistance region.Really this is no more than a British Patent of the 1970`s for electrolytic cleaning.Also this effect can be shown in solid state devices ie which I expermented with in the 1960`s while working in High energy physics .At the time we were tring to find a very fast pulsed light source to test photomultiplers .I cut the lid off a C426 Planar transistor and reversed bias it driving it with a pulse generater.As the output was increased it would suddenly flip into the negitive resistance region and you would get a plasma glow discharge.The trick is to hold it in the narrow window of that region,

  • buffalo

    looks like the old tungsten arc experiment done by many before.tungsten cathode and carbon anode in potassium carbonate solution.many claimed that excess heat was being liberated but no conclusive evidence.

  • Peter_Roe

    As admin says, it isn’t clear what this demo seeks to show – we have seen the phenomenon of submerged plasma arcing a number of times on various videos, but I don’t recall any experimenters claiming to have seen any direct indication of cold fusion such as gamma/x-ray production, free neutrons or transmutations arising from this, or who have shown excess energy.

    There is obviously some EM in the visible spectrum and possibly it might be worth looking in the UV and IR for extended emissions, but I’m not sure why RF would be expected, so the null result is not too surprising. Perhaps the next video will be a bit more informative.

    • GreenWin

      Peter, it seems Abundo demonstrates the abrupt loss of the ~300mHz RF signal at some threshold. It is curious the reaction suddenly screens RF, possibly the radiation jumps to higher frequencies (above scanner capacity) as the plasma heats.

      • Peter_Roe

        Ah – thanks, I missed that. I’ll watch again now I’ve had some coffee!

      • Peter_Roe

        btw GW, did you see the links that I posted in reply to one of your comments in the Miley thread? (interesting comments on the newvortex blog and a revealing exchange on moletrap)

        • GreenWin

          These are old style argumentation tricks picked up from debating clubs at prep schools, where I’d wager kemoyammer developed their effete intellect. Meanwhile, look for a fascinating Mallove account of how an MIT skep quietly went to EPRI seeking funds to study CF effects!!