Quantumheat Introduces Delta Pyro

We talked recently here about the age of cold fusion followers, and it seems that a good majority of us are not so youthful. In an attempt to engage the younger generation, the members of the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project have come up with a character, Delta Pyro, who they hope can be used to spark interest in cold fusion.

Delta Pyro

The group has posted a number of pictures and videos of the new character in a recent blog post, and are looking for ideas from the general public on how to use him. They write:

We are going to be supplying 3D prints of Delta Pyro for you to play with or give as gifts. He will be one of the many exciting pledge rewards you can choose from in our Kickstarter (look out for the imminent post). If you have any comments for our friend, model/texture/animation ideas, what poses he should be supplied in etc. let us know. We don’t want to give too much away about how we see him looking as you likely will have a better idea!

Should we put high quality renders on t-shirts? Any ideas like this for maximising how we can capitalise on him will be greatly appreciated.

Bob Greenyer of the MFMP emphasizes the fact that the resources used to create the Delta Pyro character came from his own personal resources and those of his business — none of the donations to the project have been used in creating the character.

  • http://www.drboblog.com/ DrBob

    Hi Folks,

    The most influential person in 2012 was in fact not a real person at all.
    I will follow Delta Pyro with interest and help promoting him. Personally for ME, It will be easier to relate to a cartoon character rather than nerds sending scientific reports back and forwards in obscure forums.

    Its my belief that Information & Technology can solve all our problems but when people do not understand the information they are being given, the answer is not to spend more time making scientific papers.

    I predict 99.9 % of the worlds population feel the same.

    Love / Dr Bob

    • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

      Thanks DrBob for your insight,

      For those that can understand the very technical reports we make and the large volume of data we are live publishing (which is about to get massive) there will be a lot to explore and analyse. We have produced some great data in the past few months, but interest is limited – that is the reality of these things.

      We hope that if we can verify the planned extension of the V2 Celani protocol, which has very limited scope for controversy and also have positive results in our experiments designed to capture the full output from the wires then we will all be in a very good position.

      But this kind of stuff barely interests a minute percentage of scientists – let alone the general public!

      If people get a DVD/BluRay, who will be able to sit their friends down and get them to watch it? People want explosions in their video entertainment, we dont!

      Delta Pyro, I hope, will inspire debate and questions, I want him to be controversial and to generate strong reactions. I also want him to be plain fun. Fun and sex are what sells things. Adults can poke fun at him and kids can imagine a friendly hero, fighting for a brighter future.

      I imagine a kid that has been given a 3D print of him and is playing with him, others may see that kid and say “what is that ridiculous character?” and there is the excuse to tell someone to go investigate.

      There has been 100+ years of LENR evidence and still the community is small, we need to try different things to build this space. It is too important to waste time not trying things.

  • yamal

    i agree that as mascot isn’t exactly what’s most desperately needed now and will go a step further saying that it won’t ever be needed. if this works it will turn the world on its head all by itself. right now it seems almost cynical – like burger king planing a campaign to save starving kids in africa and the first thing they do is handing out paper crowns.

  • Sanjeev

    I’m sure KG kids are impressed. Now we need some more volunteers to make something which can impress the grown ups with deep pockets.

    We wait for the results to become clear enough to convince skeptics and scientists, but the data is good enough to make a presentation to convince venture capitalists (who may not care too much about scientific hair splitting and can see the money potential in it)

    Perhaps a video, movie or a demo can work. This can be shown in various trade shows, conferences and what not around the world.

    • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

      This is good thinking Sanjeev… From the outset of the project we have been recording our journey, it’s ups and downs etc. We have made great progress and are dealing with the criticisms head on as they arise. We have great hopes for the expensive set of experiments we are bolting together right now, but we are conscious that it may still be part of the journey.

      If we can replicate Celani’s most recent V2.0 protocol, that removes a large swathe of the criticisms levelled to date and if we see the 25% plus PXs that he saw with controls, possibly in up to 4 identical cells, then we have something that can be demoed.

      The DVD/BlueRay is one of the the other rewards for Kickstarter pledges and it will be the right educational material to show people everywhere.

  • CosmicCastaway

    Being what sounds like one of the few 20 somethings to be watching this, I agree with Glorg and John-64 what is needed are some experiments that can stand up to peer review showing LENR/New Fire is worth looking into.

    I stopped reading quantumheat when only a few watts of excess energy were demonstrated. Did they ever get anything close to the 6 times input/output Rossi was claiming?

    (I also agree that that mascot is aimed at preschoolers and looks like a fire hydrant)

    • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

      We have been voluntarily working very hard to go through the many criticisms of Celani’s experiment and deal with them one by one. Developing an incontrovertible experiment is not glamorous and requires perseverance and patience. We are not in the business of making wild claims, we have to be credible and maintain integrity at all times.

      It is power density that is important. We are not trying to make a home heater, we are trying to make a repeatable experiment. We appear to have seen PXs in Celani wires that has a power density of the order of Rossis claims, however there are significant questions about the experiment and so we have to first get an experiment that can not be challenged to show similar results before these early tentative findings get proper recognition.

      If we succeed in showing similar PXs when there is no doubt in the experiment, the Celani wire reactors will be perfect experiments to explore the phenomenon in a scaleable and controllable way. It has the advantage that you can past current through it, expose it to many potential triggers easily and you know the amount of the material under test.

      • NJT

        Right on Bob – Please continue your experiments to prove up your prior findings…

      • CosmicCastaway

        Sounds like a plan.

        I heard about LENR from a slashdot article after Rossis plant passed its validation in 2011. If your next experiment is successful you could post an article on Reddit and Slashdot to drum up public interest.

  • Andrew Macleod

    Not to be insulting but delta pyro is lame. This might intrest my 3yr old but that’s about it.

    • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

      We are very open to other ideas, this one was a freebie to the project from my own company and personal resources. It is not for adults, not even teenagers, it is for pester power. And it is just for fun!

      When I was walking with my 4 year old daughter the other day, she kept picking up plastic and other rubbish and we were putting them in the bins, she tells me exercise is good. Sometimes it takes the very young to point out things to their parents.

      I love that this is creating strong opinions, keep them coming.

      • http://www.drboblog.com/ DrBob

        Dear Greenyer,

        The last thing I want to see is a depressive cartoon character complaining about how suppressed he is all the time.

        However, Mr Delta Pyro does not seem to come across that way at all! I will follow him with interest!

        Peace and Love, Your Friend / Dr Bob

  • robyn wyrick

    Well, I’m not a fan of the mascot. But it doesn’t matter. What matters is production, and I’m a big fan of their efforts.

    • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

      This voluntary and donated effort to the MFMP has not impacted on our main aim in any way. We are very much focussed on exploring the claims of others in a fully open way.

  • clovis

    hi, guys,
    What age group, are you trying to target here, it would be my guess that the older group of kids would be most effected,data pyro, seems pointed at
    kindergarten, or preschoolers, i was thinking more like, a little red, or green dragon with steam coming out his ears, and maybe sparks coming out his nose. and a yet to be visualized new fire protruding from his mouth.
    Maybe a slightly more mature character, aimed at a little older group riding the lenr dragon, fighting off the bad black fossil fuel pterodactyl,and his rider some mean old oil sheik.
    The lenr dragon and his rider the hot cat girl will always win the battle for the blue planet Because they have mother nature as an allies.

    • NJT

      Yeah, maybe something on the order of a White Night versus a Black Night (the black oil barons). Uh, maybe I am too old to add anything useful for this new generation…

      • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

        He is meant to be friendly and non-threatening for young kids, but you might have something with this idea for the teenager to young adult market if it was a game or piece of graphic art. I don’t have the resources, funds or time to do this but if someone does, that would be great!

        • GreenWin

          Bob, pay NO attention to the old farts and whiners here. You have a great idea and a humorous character is an excellent way to communicate.

          The pathoskps are seeing their disinfo op fail and are POed.

          • NJT

            Greenwin, I may be an old fart, but i have been an ardent supporter of these anomalies for many years too – I do respect most of your comments, but please be respectful of those of us who post here with our ideas, however, OLD fart-ash they may be!

            • GreenWin

              NJT, back when discussing age I posted the following:

              “Anyone who stops learning is old, whether at twenty or eighty. Anyone who keeps learning stays young.” Henry Ford

              Bob Greenyer’s character is meant to have fun with, and perhaps help communicate the extraordinary benefits of LENR to a generation raised on video games.

          • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

            Well, if my team can take on some criticisms and please a few more people in their design that can be no bad thing. Thanks for the vote of confidence!

  • georgehants

    Long predicted atomic collapse state observed in graphene
    Berkeley Lab researchers recreate elusive phenomenon with artificial nuclei
    The first experimental observation of a quantum mechanical phenomenon that was predicted nearly 70 years ago holds important implications for the future of graphene-based electronic devices. Working with microscopic artificial atomic nuclei fabricated on graphene, a collaboration of researchers led by scientists with the U.S. Department of Energy’s Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) and the University of California (UC) Berkeley have imaged the “atomic collapse” states theorized to occur around super-large atomic nuclei.
    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-03/dbnl-lpa030413.php

  • Joseph Fine

    Alas, Delta Pyro looks like a fire hydrant. “New Fire” does not need a new fire hydrant. It needs a “New Fire” Engine. We hope that’s about to happen.

    Joseph

    • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

      Haha, this is an early test render, has euro plug sockets on the back of his hands, will have a Mizuno glow in his belly and the top is actually meant to be the top of an oversized glow plug (just has wrong texture in this shot). It is meant to be a blend between Celani, Defkalion and Rossi reactors.

      • Joseph Fine

        Thanks. Make it look more like a hot cat.

        • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

          So like a jet black cylinder with a yellow/red core?

  • georgehants

    My opinion, it will be found to be instantaneous, because everything at this level is connected in time and space.
    ——
    March 7th, 2013,By Lucian Parfeni
    Quantum Entanglement Travels at Least 10,000 Faster than Light
    Quantum entanglement describes the link between two particles that are not physically close or in any form of contact, i.e. there’s no information exchange, as far as modern physics is concerned, between the two particles.
    http://news.softpedia.com/news/Quantum-Entanglement-Travels-at-Least-10-000-Faster-than-Light-335365.shtml

  • Glorg

    This seems like a waste of time. They should focus on the science, not marketing efforts like this. They need to prove the Celani claims with hard data, and worry about marketing later.

    I’m really disappointed that they would even think of creating such a lame character. They really think people will buy this?

    • Sweeney

      Could not have said it better…

      “This seems like a waste of time.”

    • GreenWin

      Yeah, but it’s not your time or money. See “Solina” from Plank Inst. Plasma Physics – waste of taxpayer money!

      • Glorg

        It is my money actually, because I’ve donated to MFMP, and they are looking for more support with a Kickstarter.

        • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

          Not a single penny of any donors money was spent on this character – every penny for this still in development character came from my personal pocket.

    • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

      I agree. The mascot may be a good idea as such, but showing it before success is not wise.

  • John-64

    I think that this is a case of putting the cart before the horse. Get CF working, then have a mascot. I’m not saying that mascots are a bad idea (Linux having a penguin seems to be moderately effective) but this one is a bit cringe-worthy. If MFMP turns out to be a failure, Delta Pyro will be the photograph they’ll be putting on the webpage describing its failure.

    • GreenWin

      John-64 you’ll be interested to meet “Solina” a mascot from the Plank Inst. Plasma Physics. Unfortunately hot fusion has failed ignition for 61 years at a cost to global taxpayers of some $274 BILLION.

      http://www.ipp.mpg.de/ippcms/eng/pr/publikationen/kindertexte/science_for_kids.pdf

      • John-64

        I really don’t care about the cost of hot fusion, because the cost is irrelevant, I don’t know why people keep on bring it up. Cold fusion and hot fusion are dissimilar. However, using your $274 billion, spread out over the 5 billion (roughly) people born in the last 61 years, that works out at 7 cents per person month.

        That’s more than the cost of the paper a power bill is written on, but less than the cost of posting the power bill to the customer.

        It is tiny. Even you can admit to that, right?

        • GreenWin

          Wrong John64, hot fusion public funds come from approximately 8 western nations whose taxpayers bear the entire burden for hot fusion failures. There is, according to many theories little difference in nuclear fusion cold or hot; except low temp and lack of radiative products in LENR.

          With all that taxpayer money and all that time… hot fusion has not delivered one useful watt of energy to the public. Imagine what good could be done had the $274billion gone to education and alternative energy research (including LENR.)

    • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

      We are not afraid of failure, if we were, we would have chosen something different to volunteer our time and resources too. We need to have a plan for post success on the assumption that we will replicate the claims of others. This effort was completely funded by me personally and used some resources of my company.

      If someone can deliver something better then we are very open to input and the collective effort, that is our mantra.

      • NJT

        Yes, I agree, as with any major marketing endeavor a catchy slogan or mascot can really help. I used to (many years ago) be involved with such things. but am now to old to really be in touch with the current generation of thinking. I applaud your efforts and all these ideas need to be vetted and brainstormed as they will ultimately add to the developmental and marketing of this experiment wether successful or not. Keep up the good work Bob, and do keep a thick skin as you move forward with this most difficult process…

        • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

          Thanks NJT, we are putting this out there in a raw, unfinished state to invite debate.

          People often do not see the value of marketing. If an idea/product sells, they will credit the ideas/products “inherent value”, if it doesn’t sell, they will blame the advertising or marketing.

          Go figure!

          • NJT

            Yes Bob. It is ALL about the marketing overture – good ideas or bad all depend upon how it is presented to the public (consumer) who will ultimately decide based on the marketing presentation and then on the actual product performance!

            • GreenWin

              NJT, I agree 100%! Well said.

          • clovis

            Hi,Bob G.
            I have been following your group closely and think you guys are doing a fantastic job,sorry your character got such a bad debu, never thought of my self as an skeptic though, and it’s a dirty job, but a very important and necessary thing, without them we all would just be yes men and that is a ship with out rudder, thanks for trying though and please don’t give up, just set it aside, and do more when the time is right, your heart and mind is in the right place,there are never failures, only obstructions, that are meant to make you stop and reassess, what went wrong, and always move forward. i think you guys are having a great success with your project you should be very proud.

            • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

              Cheers clovis, the worst thing in graphics is to show a work in progress to someone that doesn’t understand the development process. Since we are trying to be open about all of the things we are doing and want to seek opinion at every turn, we are doing it with this character and the Kickstarter rewards.

              We invite criticism, whatever that may be and then move forward in an adjusted manner. We need critics now, not when we think we have finished something!

  • GreenWin

    Excellent! Great work Bob and MFMP team!! How about a short in which Pyro demonstrates how he can replace your home water heater, lowering home owner costs and the use of carbon fuel(with a link to LENR Cities http://lenr-cities.com/index.html/ – another great new teaching tool!)

    Sure, we know NewFire residential appliances will follow industrial applications. But what better way to introduce NewFire to the public than show them a simple cost saving home use??

    • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

      Thanks GreenWin, Some people are giving their language skills freely, some people have produced videos, others have analysed our data. There are many ways in which people are helping. Other than my other voluntary efforts for the project, at my own expense I asked a number of my staff to start working on a character that is still work in progress.

      When done – we can have a little fun with him.

  • http://www.kaltefusion.tk/blog/?page_id=11 barty
    • GreenWin

      “Nuclear power produced by quasi-resonant electron assisted double nuclear processes in these Ni−H systems is calculated. The power obtained tallies with experiments and its magnitude is considerable for practical applications.”

      • Chris the 2nd

        Slightly broken record but, Peer reviewed?

    • Sanjeev

      Not reports.
      Both are theoretical papers, which is good, but not what is needed.
      I read only the summaries, but I hope they make verifiable predictions which can be tested by experiment. Else its a waste of bytes.