Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works Shooting for 100 MW Fusion Prototype by 2017

At a Solve for X talk, Charles Chase of aerospace giant Lockheed Martin’s Advanced Development Programs (which goes by the alias Skunk Works) talks about a project of inventing and developing is working on a nuclear fusion (‘hot’, not ‘cold’) process on a compact scale, something that could be built on a production line rather than a massive ITER-like tokamak reactor.

Chase says that in a process Skunk Works has develped they put deuterium gas in a 1m x 2m cylindrical reactor, and heat it up with RF energy to create a plasma. The plasma is confined by a magnetic field in a stable manner — much more stable than in a tokamak, according to Chase. This apparently created conditions in which fusion much more possible.

Here’s a video of Chase’s talk.

He says they hope to be able to create a 100 MW prototype plant in five years and in ten years hope to build a commercial 100 MW plant, which he says is decades ahead of the projections of the ITER project. At this point, however, Chase does not mention whether they have been able to achieve a thermonuclear reaction.

  • http://bravonewworld.blogspot.com/ Tim Bravo

    As if the black projects community doesn’t already have this. But they’re going to ACT like they JUST discovered it…Maybe to hold on to it just a little while longer, profit from it in the short run, and cover up the cover up in the long run.

  • jacob

    ha ha ha, we may have to spend another 20 billion in hot fusion to have a working unit in 2040 , this man from the skunkworks either knows the truth ,or seems to be ignoring cold fusion altogether , if mr.Rossi can built a working model in a few years,how come the big military complex with all its might and power ,can only do it in 20 or 30 years.
    I think Mr. Rossi is smarter than a fifth grader, the hot fusion guys just want another 20 billion,but I think it will not be used for hot fusion.

  • http://www.facebook.com/roger.bird.710 Roger Bird

    OK, I watched the video, and it is a wet dream. They have no success whatsoever, yet. They just think that it is going to work.

  • http://www.facebook.com/roger.bird.710 Roger Bird

    Sounds like a wet dream to me. Anyway, even if it is not a wet dream, the pollution would still be real and horrendous. I won’t be losing any sleep over it tonight, except the pollution part, of course.

  • Kol Drake

    Why don’t we stick something like the radioisotope thermoelectric generator used on the Cassini probe to power a single house? I am sure the manufacturer and/or ‘electric company’ could charge for installation, maintenance, and replacements with enough interest to make it worth their while. And the cost over some 50 years would make the investment manageable.

    • GreenWin

      Two items: Pu 238, and 5% efficiency.

  • Miles

    Oh look, another figure being thrown into the air. “100MW” for 2017 and in the next few months, we’ll see another announcement with another impressive figure. If this is all true, then I will be holding off buying solar panels until the end of 2013. I’m expecting something this year. sit n wait.

  • Ace

    There is a good discussion about this Lockheed Martin fusion talk at Talk-Polywell.org. The consensus is that the Skunk Works may be using a variant on Polywell style fusion design. It so happens that the patent on Polywell designs recently expired.

    The lead scientist Tom McGuire mentioned in the presentation did his Phd on “Inertial Electrostatic Confinement Fusion Devices” – you can read all 250+ pages of it at http://ssl.mit.edu/publications/theses/PhD-2007-McGuireThomas.pdf

    • georgehants

      Ace, if the patent held any merit would not the Hot Fusion people have brought or licensed it with the billions of dollars they have at their disposal.

      • Ace

        Not really, because nobody has gotten a Polywell fusion reactor to work yet. Bussard came up with the idea and patented in 1989, but there hasn’t been much investment in the tech until recently with EMC2.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      By glancing at the polywell.org forum I don’t get an impression that this LM thing would be equal to polywell or that a majority on that forum would think so. By listening through the LM video I get the impression that they have normal quasineutral and thermal plasma trapped by magnetic field which is normal magnetic confinement, just like tokamak but with different geometry.

      Based on what we have learned from this video, I wouldn’t bet on this LM proposal. If their only novelty is a new type of magnetic field geometry, I would find it surprising because quite many different geometries have already been considered over the 60 years of hot fusion research. The tokamak has some drawbacks but many benefits too, compared to other geometries.

  • Daniel Maris

    My God you’re getting desperate – promoting hot fusion now! Not exactly the point of this website!!

    • yamal

      where exactly is this post promoting hot fusion?

  • Jim Yates

    Kelly Johnson’s 14 Rules of Management

    Johnson’s famed “down-to-brass-tacks” management style was summed up by his motto, “Be quick, be quiet, and be on time.” He ran Skunk Works by Kelly’s 14 Rules

    1.The Skunk Works manager must be delegated practically complete control of his program in all aspects. He should report to a division president or higher.

    2.Strong but small project offices must be provided both by the military and industry.

    3.The number of people having any connection with the project must be restricted in an almost vicious manner. Use a small number of good people (10% to 25% compared to the so-called normal systems).

    4.A very simple drawing and drawing release system with great flexibility for making changes must be provided.

    5.There must be a minimum number of reports required, but important work must be recorded thoroughly.

    6.There must be a monthly cost review covering not only what has been spent and committed but also projected costs to the conclusion of the program. Don’t have the books 90 days late, and don’t surprise the customer with sudden overruns.

    7.The contractor must be delegated and must assume more than normal responsibility to get good vendor bids for subcontract on the project. Commercial bid procedures are very often better than military ones.

    8.The inspection system as currently used by the Skunk Works, which has been approved by both the Air Force and Navy, meets the intent of existing military requirements and should be used on new projects. Push more basic inspection responsibility back to subcontractors and vendors. Don’t duplicate so much inspection.

    9.The contractor must be delegated the authority to test his final product in flight. He can and must test it in the initial stages. If he doesn’t, he rapidly loses his competency to design other vehicles.

    10.The specifications applying to the hardware must be agreed to well in advance of contracting. The Skunk Works practice of having a specification section stating clearly which important military specification items will not knowingly be complied with and reasons therefore is highly recommended.

    11.Funding a program must be timely so that the contractor doesn’t have to keep running to the bank to support government projects.

    12.There must be mutual trust between the military project organization and the contractor with very close cooperation and liaison on a day-to-day basis. This cuts down misunderstanding and correspondence to an absolute minimum.

    13.Access by outsiders to the project and its personnel must be strictly controlled by appropriate security measures.

    14.Because only a few people will be used in engineering and most other areas, ways must be provided to reward good performance by pay not based on the number of personnel supervised.

    Note that Kelly had a 15th rule that he passed on by word of mouth. According to the book “Skunk Works” the 15th rule is: “Starve before doing business with the damned Navy. They don’t know what the hell they want and will drive you up a wall before they break either your heart or a more exposed part of your anatomy.”
    http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/aeronautics/skunkworks/14rules.html

    • GreenWin

      What would Ray Mabus have to say about the 15th??

  • Jim

    http://news.yahoo.com/trolls-online-comments-skew-perception-science-204704946.html

    “It can happen here” (apologies to the Mothers of Invention)

    • GreenWin

      I think Frank might actually appreciate the idea, Jim.

    • Peter Roe

      Rather depressing (but not surprising I suppose) to learn that such primitive tactics can actually have an effect, where a properly framed counter-argument might not. The image of a tro11 as a hairy, uncouth being wielding a club suddenly seems very appropriate.

  • georgehants

    Brian Josephson
    February 20th, 2013 at 4:21 AM
    In view of the repeated and unexplained delays, it would be
    comforting to those wondering what is happening if your Third Party
    would issue their own announcement, summarising progress or
    otherwise. Perhaps this view, which I am sure is shared by many others,
    can be passed on to them.
    ——-
    Andrea Rossi
    February 20th, 2013 at 10:57 AM
    Dear Prof. Brian Josephson:
    The work of the Indipendent Third Party probably will finish in March.
    The publication probably will be made by the end of March or close to it
    and it will be made whatever the results, indipendently from us. In the
    meantime we are completing the construction of the forst non military 1
    MW plant. You are in the list of the persons that will be invited to
    visit it. The timing of their work does not depend on me: you are among
    the most important scientists of the World and a Nobel Prize, so you
    know perfectly how can work a validation of a thing that is as complex
    as ours.
    In the meantime we are completing the construction of the first 1 MW
    plant for civil operation. You are in the list of the scientists that
    will be invited to visit it.
    Thank you for your attention.
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

    • Peter Roe

      ‘you are among the most important scientists of the World.. ‘ Rossi is rather laying it on with a trowel!

      Interesting that Prof. Josephson makes a suggestion relating to the third party tests on the hot cat, and Rossi responds with news of the 1MW unit without mentioning the commercial hot cat at all. It looks like that project is now firmly ‘under warps’ until the partner is ready to go.

      • Peter Roe

        ‘under wraps’ – but I seem to be locked out of Disqus and can’t use the edit function.

      • yamal

        yes, in fact he seems to ignore josephson’s suggestions completely. it seems almost rude despite the subsequent flattery.

  • barty

    Are there some german people?

    I’ve tried to convince some people in a german electronic forum, that LENR is for real. But they are hard sceptics and my physic knowlidge is less than small ;)

    Maybe someone who understands the W-L-Theory can give some input, my nickname is 0×64:

    http://www.mikrocontroller.net/topic/267312

    • Gerrit

      My golden rule for discussing LENR research is to point to the 5.5 million USD research project and the nice quotes from Robert Duncan, Vice chancellor for Research at the University of Missouri, throw in a little bit of NASA, point to the ANS meetings.

      Discuss the research at these institutes at length, back and forth, up and down.

      Then after you have laid the groundwork, slowly start floating the idea that “companies are working on practical solutions”.

      If you start the discussion the way you did, or if Rossi is brought up too early by others, you really should not wonder about the direction the discussion takes.

      Good luck.

      • barty

        The discussion was started by another person I don’t know.

        I found the discussion while searching at google about german LENR material, and I thought I could bring some serious evidence in this discussion. But the more I say the more the others disbelieve :(

        I allways said they should not look too much on Rossi, but on real science results. But I think they don’t even read the links I posted, because it’s not worth in their eyes.

        It’s very disappointing. In this forum (mikrocontroller.net) are very high skilled science people…

        • AlainCo

          Hey barty: ;-)

          basically discussing theory today is a trap. don’t get trapped. what is sure is that LENR in PdD is real (He4/heat correlation, and many various coherent effect detected), not chemical, and the simplest solution is nuclear… else is alien.

          NiH variant of LENR is very similar, so there is no rational reason to ask for exceptional evidence. just evidence are OK. However there is few papers, and mostly claims… have to check. celani, STMicro, pianteli, … have to check. anyway no paranoia, it is not exceptional results.

          Now hearing 4 companies, Rossi, Defkalion, Brillouin, Lenuco, says that they independently harnessed NiH to make it usable, is not an exceptional claim… yet it is to be verified, like if someone claims he can make good thermo electric devices…

          the behavior of Aldo Proi says that he believe in Rossi, and this entrepreneur is serious and funded. Since the domain is fear of scam, sure they have real third party evidence, that they keep secret, of course.

          The behavior of Defkalion, xanthoulis, and their team as explained by Michael nelson, is that they all are sure it work. moreover Nelson have validated modest but real performance (+200%). Better performance are probably hidden as one could expect from a commercial company.

          Brillouin have been validated by SRI for a modest experimental reactor with modest performance +100%.
          Miley is not validated.

          you don’t need more evidences.
          The science is validated by scientific method.
          The business claims are coherent with science, and are supported by behaviors of investors, partners, and third party.

          if Defkalion, rosi, Brillouin, Lenuco are scam, despite everibody expect so and woul check 3 times, you should write a book of psychiatry on that.

          Nobody have to discuss theory yet… none is working, and Widomlarsen is not validated (nor invalidated)… forget theory. It have ruined discussion in the past.

          • barty

            Thanks, I realized the situation now, and won’t give more input in this discussions ;)

            I just hope Rossi is the right man, and a serious independent group will release a also serious and peer reviewed test report in a good scientific journal.

            If this happens, the hell will brake loose and all this sceptics will fall in silence :)

            This would be a satisfaction :)

            • Pekka Janhunen

              Many things were learned first by experiment, theory comes much later and when it comes it may be obscure and nonintuitive. Examples: ordinary superconductivity, high-temp superconductivity, quasars, gamma ray bursts. The unique point about LENR is its high utility value, but that has nothing to do with the science and explanation thing.

              • georgehants

                Like the whole of the Quantum World that has no explanation of any reductionist kind.
                This has not stopped after 60 years of mostly denial and debunking the measurements of the subject now leading to much new science and technology.

              • GreenWin

                Pekka, let’s not forget the solar corona – indeed many non-intuitive and obscure theories arise from these strange phenomena. It is encouraging to see people considering out of the box ideas – which brings them closer to fruition.

                • Pekka Janhunen

                  From my point of view, the solar corona and actually all of space plasma physics belongs to the category: only thinly understood, thus probably many surprises waiting to be discovered. Collisionless plasma is extremely hard to model accurately (unlike collisional plasma which can be modelled by MHD) as one would basically need a 6D simulation like our “Vlasiator”. Collisionless plasma is also difficult to observe because remote sensing is usually out of question. So one uses satellites and space probes, but they measure the plasma parameters only at one point at a time.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            alain: Good comments. One could say it often.

    • yamal

      i browsed the thread and you’re hopelessly out of your depth. give it up. nobody can explain cold fusion (yet) and trying to do so without acknowledging a big, gaping hole in the middle of it all is a losing strategy on any forum where people have at least abitur knowledge of physics.

      • Jim

        “you’re hopelessly out of your depth”

        Personally abusive comment.

        Persistent unethical rhetorical manipulator.

        • yamal

          bs. everybody is out of their depth trying to explain cold fusion because nobody can.

          • georgehants

            yamal, please explain why anybody would need to explain Cold Fusion to research it.
            Is that not the whole point of science, to research the unknown for answers.

            • yamal

              my point exactly, george (i assume you don’t speak german and didn’t read the forum thread linked above, in which barty tried to actually explain how cold fusion works according to wl and was consequently ripped apart). trying to explain it is pointless. while i rarely agree with alain, i think he is spot on in this case.

              • georgehants

                yamal, if one agrees with another is irrelavant as only the Truth matters no matter who or where that comes from.
                You would agree then that not having a theory explaining Cold Fusion should in no way delay the scientific establishment from funding and researching a proven phenomenon.

                • yamal

                  now you’re babbling again. i said i agree with alain in this case not for the sake of agreeing with somebody but simply because i don’t want to repeat what he said. certainly a concept you could relate to if the point of each and every one of your posts wasn’t to make everybody agree with you about the one-sided opinion you have on what you refer to as the ‘scientific establishment’. i don’t and will leave it at that. not because your arguments are compelling or even worthwhile but because it is boringly repetitive.

                • georgehants

                  Thank you for your insulting reply.
                  You appear to be saying you find nothing wrong with the scientific establishments handling of Cold Fusion.
                  I would be very interested in how you justify that.

  • Rémi André

    Hi !
    I’d like to know why there’s no article concerning Mr Eric Lerner’s Dense PLasma Focus device. Their technology is quite impressive

    http://www.lawrencevilleplasmaphysics.com

    • MK

      Hi Rémi,
      I pointed to Larencevilleplasmaphysics here months ago….
      It looks like one gets ignored with this topic here.
      I feel that their aproach might yield results soon. (Scientific proof of energy yield within this year, industrial prototype within 5 years). As it will not need carnout cycle, it might be pretty effective and yield elecric energy already with a COP of 2.
      Also (science fiction mode on ;-) it might be usable as a proton beam impulse thruster for spacecrafts…… This is one of the closest possible rivals to cold fusion I am aware of.

  • Rémi André

    Eh why don’t you speak of Mr Lerner’s Dense PLasma Focus ?

    Their technology is quite impressive :

    http://www.lawrencevilleplasmaphysics.com

  • georgehants

    From The Guardian
    We cannot afford not to have nuclear in our low-carbon energy mix
    Nuclear power must prove itself in cost terms – but we should not be thinking of giving up now.
    The euphoric phase on low-carbon energy is over. There is no solution that is clean and cheap and always on.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/feb/19/cannot-afford-nuclear-power-energy-mix

  • georgehants

    Very little changes in science.
    From The Reference Frame
    ——-
    Ludwig Boltzmann: a birthday
    So the deluded folks who helped to drive Ludwig Boltzmann to suicide
    were direct ancestors of the contemporary anti-quantum zealots in the
    same sense in which Ludwig Boltzmann himself was a forefather of modern
    physics.
    http://motls.blogspot.com/

    • yamal

      i thought quoting lubo on this blog was a bit like pi**ing in a church. isn’t he supposed to be the anti-christ?

      • georgehants

        What would your comment have to do with Boltzmann’s suicide.
        Please explain your point.

  • georgehants

    Wonderful day, another few thousand die through lack of clean water but I am sure
    everybody concerned is doing there best to make sure that Cold Fusion
    becomes available very quickly.

    • yamal

      george, yes. a very sad day for those suffering. but why do you say ‘becomes available very quickly’? according to rossi, the 1 mw e-cat plant is already on the market and it would be perfect for desalination. since you don’t seem to be banned from jonp, why don’t you ask mr. rossi whether he could give away one of his 1 mw plants for the poor?

      • georgehants

        yamal, my wording carefully did not exclude anybody in a position to forward Cold Fusion.
        I and most fair people try to hurry the situation along including two years pressure on Mr. Rossi.
        I trust you are doing your share to inform scientists of a proven new technology.

        • yamal

          even if we assume that main stream science could be pushed forward by individuals not doing the research but merely demanding research – do you believe they could catch up with rossi in any timeframe that would be relevant to somebody not having access to clean water today? (assuming rossi has what he claims, of course)

          • georgehants

            I would have thought that science would not need “pushing” into researching such an important breakthrough.
            Perhaps you could explain why they do.
            Agreed re Rossi but are you saying science should rely on Rossi being legit instead of doing their own research.

            • yamal

              no, i’m not saying they should rely on rossi. i’m saying that main stream science could not catch up for a long time. probably decades. lets assume the third party tests are real, proof will be published some time this year in nature or science and everybody from mit to cern will jump in with both feet and spend billions on research. how long would it still take until they come up with a working device that could be mass produced?

              • Jim

                In the scenario you describe, i.e. valid proof widely published, do you see the possibility of commercial entities as well as scientific institutions engaging in development toward mass production? Also, given your assertion about delays, where in the processes of R&D and mass manufacturing do you see specific bottlenecks?

                • yamal

                  rossi made it clear that the ‘proof’ paper about to be written and published will not contain details about how he does it in order to protect his ip. we can assume that whoever writes the paper hasn’t got a clue how it works and merely tries to proof that it does. so neither purely scientific nor commercial entities will be any wiser in march or whenever publishing date will be. they’ll simply know that it works and it could take forever to find out how. (usual disclaimers.. if etc. pp.)

                • AlainCo

                  commercial entities are normally already preparing to find partners to build, to industrialize, if they have a working design.

                  Those not having a reactors should normaly try to acquire a license, to make research, and merge with others similar actors to share the effort and hope catch back the leaders.

                  Incumbent actors shouldprepare to block the market, learn the technology, acquire licences and startups, lobby government, manipulate NGO, develop solution adapted to their huge structure (GW plant)…

                  Government dependent actors will not be allowed to join the bonanza, because of mainstream physicist lobbying, and lack of financial motivation.

  • sean

    Well there is another way to get clean energy then. It’s completion and that’s good. I looked up the guy here. ( http://www.linkedin.com/pub/charles-chase/37/389/b28 ) Skunk works has given us some remarkable technologies as with BAE systems with their recent 7000mph Magnetic rail gun. It would be nice if they took a look at cold fusion as well. I am sure the best brains of America would be employed and payed very well by these companies. Whatever the outcome we need energy independence. Rossie’s invention fits the bill for us individuals (Electric Cars & Homes etc) . Perhaps this newer hot fusion will be best used for larger industrial uses as well as a backup power system.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    My take on the technical content of the video. The MHD part doesn’t sound correct, since what he describes sounds like a simple straight magnetic bottle. Contrary to what he says, it does have a pretty large leakage rate along field lines at the ends, and the tokamak toroidal geometry was originally invented to circumvent that problem. In any DT reactor there are the issues of wall material durability in intense neutron bombardment (which occurs regardless of geometry) and the tritium breeding issue (how to multiply neutrons enough to compensate for inevitable neutron losses). The material durability issue cannot be studied theoretically so experiments are needed. But experiments require the high neutron flux over long time which is only possible to obtain from a fusion reactor. For the tritium breeding issue, similar considerations hold. These two issues are common to all magnetic confinement schemes (ITER and others). On the other hand replacing DT with aneutronic fuels (not mentioned in the video though) was shown to be infeasible by Todd Rider in the 1990′s when he proved mathematically with quite general assumptions that with aneutronic fuels the cooling rate due to thermal X-rays exceeds the fusion power density many times.
    And by the way, even with an ideally efficient thermal power source, one cannot travel to Mars in one month. It is one of the urban legends going around. People tend to forget that in space cooling is a very difficult problem because only radiation can carry away heat in vacuum.

    • Peter Roe

      If I were in the slightest bit cynical (perish the thought) I might suggest that this project doesn’t have to feasible, only believable enough to a few technically challenged politicians to attract some some of the funding being pulled from ITER and NIF. It might appeal as a last hope to cover the rears of the pillocks who have thrown so much taxpayer’s money down this particular drain, as any success at all in hot fusion could be claimed as vindication.

      The ‘timeline’ graph (oddly flat just now) probably should have an inbuilt script that scrolls the date to the left 1 year, every year. As GreenWin suggests, this could be simply a disinfo counter to CF, but in any case it seems from the info GW has uncovered that the front guy is not someone you would lend your life savings to.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        Similarly to cold fusion although for a different reason, secret research by definition lacks peer reviewed articles. The lack of open criticism leads to a lot of rubbish being done behind closed doors, especially in cases where experiments do not provide a reality check. Which of course does not rule out occasional gems.

        Why do they come out now? Maybe because their secret funding was stopped. Why was it stopped? They probably don’t know, and we can only guess.

  • GreenWin

    Uhh, okay. Here are the facts: Charles Case is a mechanical engineer (MS Applied Mechanics, NY Polytechnic) who has never been employed by Lockheed Martin. He is President and CEO of Case and St. Cloud Co. Inc. Engineering Services Business Consulting Services, Dwelling Operator, similar to (according to Manta.com) “Kelly Engineering Services and Information Engineering Services.”

    So, are we to honestly give a guy who appears to misrepresent his official relationship with Lockheed, even the time of day? Andrea Rossi has demonstrated his technology dozens of times – Lockheed has demonstrated exactly nothing as far as hot fusion on public record. Charles Case says? LM muddying the waters?? More disinfo from the military industrial complex General Eisenhower warned of.

    http://www.manta.com/c/mm02fbk/case-and-st-cloud-company-inc

    • Ace

      Interesting. He doesn’t actually claim to have been employed by Lockheed Martin in the video. But his LinkedIn profile does say he was a contractor to Lockheed Martin for 15 years through 2011. http://www.linkedin.com/pub/charles-case/12/837/2a9

      As opposed to the single LinkedIn profile of the ex gambling consultant working at Leonardo Corp, Charles Case appears fairly legit.

      • Ace

        I take that back. His name is Chase, not Case, and he is a genuine Lockheed Martin manager according to numerous sources. He has a BS Electrical Engineering & Computer Science, Electromagnetics from UC Berkeley.

        http://www.linkedin.com/pub/charles-chase/37/389/b28

        Again, far more legit than Rossi. This is an exciting development.

        • Pekka Janhunen

          BS more legit than PhD? In the job market yes, but…well. Maybe.

          • Ace

            I thought Rossi’s phd was in philosophy?

            • Pekka Janhunen

              PhD=Doctor of Philosophy. In the old times all science was called philosophy. Rossi’s thesis was about philosophical implications/foundations of relativity. It sounds more physics than contemporary philosophy.

          • Ace

            Also, the lead scientist on this project has a Bachelor of Science, Aerospace Engineering from Pennsylvania State University and a PhD in Aeronautircs from MIT, where he did his thesis on IEC fusion devices.

      • GreenWin

        Correct Ace. LinkedIn also states his employment from 1992-Present as president of Case and St. Cloud Co. “CASE & ST CLOUD CO is in the Operators of Dwellings Other Than Apartment Buildings industry in Manitou Springs, CO. This company currently has approximately 1 to 5 employees and annual sales of Under $500,000.” cortera.com

        Charles seems to be sincere in his pursuit of energy solutions. However, one might think L-M would employ a specialist in nuclear physics/plasmas to head their hot fusion project; and that Charles or Solve for X would accurately describe his relationship to L-M Advanced Development Programs.

        It would be very interesting for Drs. Dennis Bushnell, George Miley, Rob Duncan, Francesco Celani, Peter Hagelstein, Mike McKubre, etc, etc. to speak in this Solve for X forum on progress in LENR. It seems like an excellent stage for introducing new technology “moon shots.”

        • Ace

          That’s the wrong guy Greenwin. It’s Chase, not Case. Chase is clearly a Lockheed employee, for over two decades according to his profile. Also, the presentation bears a Lockheed copyright and shows photos of the labs and names the lead scientist. There is a long thread with links at the Polywell fusion forum. So yes, I maintain this is far more credible than Rossi.

        • Ken L

          On L-M employing a specialist in nuclear physics/plasmas to head their hot fusion project: –Lockheed Martin doesn’t discriminate by title, Experience pulls more weight. Yes a PhD in nuclear physics might seem to be a more likely candidate for the head of this department but from my experience with their military contracts, one’s experience, background, and ability to organize/lead holds more weight. Besides, the key to what Chase is describing lies in magneto-dynamics and RF propagation theory; not in nuclear physics. Sure Nuclear is the goal; but like Chase said, They are taking knowledge from several areas to make a new process. I think Chase’s resume fits his position well…and have a very positive outlook on this. While I won’t discredit Rossi’s credibility, the real question is which process will be realized first.

        • GreenWin

          Thanks gentlemen for flagging and fixing this error. As I have pointed out Charles seems sincere and though the technology he described will not likely come close to the goal – it is a pleasant thought. As for Ken L’s assertion – one would not imagine RF propagation all that important in heating DT plasmas more than perhaps MASER coherence (which will still take a football field full of capacitors like NIF.) But I am probably wrong.

          At any rate I impressed with Solve for X’s team and am rather enthused to imagine the next steps. What is certain (to me) is a group of wildly talented experts in managing atomic structure at various spectrum resonances is needed; and it appears Mr Chase may have access to just these resources. I apologize to blog readers for the testy, skeptical tone – years of LENR training are in play. What’s next?

  • http://twitter.com/bbck777 Bernie Koppenhofer

    The obvious questions are: Why would the super secret Skunk Works decide to make this obviously under development project public? Who would make this decision? Since they are funded by the US Government would it be someone in the US government? Why Now? Do they see some competition headed down the pike?

    • yamal

      there is always competition in the energy market but if you’re thinking about rossi or defkalion, i don’t believe they’re on anybody’s radar because outside of this blog and… well, nowhere else any more, really… they’re not taken seriously.

      • georgehants

        yamal, that is a terrible condemnation of science and the establishment but I agree, they either have a conspiracy to hide Cold Fusion or they are so incompetent that they must all be removed very quickly.

      • Peter Roe

        That is simply your own biased (or agenda-driven) opinion. You have no way of gauging the level of interest by members of the public, even less of the extent of interest on the part of organisations.

        • yamal

          is it? how do you start a sentence reflecting your own, biased (or agenda driven) opinion if not with a phrase like ‘i believe’ (or, in my case, ‘i don’t believe’)?

          • Jim

            I don’t believe that we have found a way to stop a FIRE IN THE THEATER in case there happened to be one.

            Persistent unethical rhetorical manipulator.

  • Curbina

    I just can think of one thing: Sandia Labs Z Machine, in which in 2006 Malcolm Haines reached more than 2 billion ° K (enough for start many self sustaining fusion reactions like Li-H and B- H) at a fraction of the cost of the ITER. It is no coincidence that Haines (unfortunately no longer with us) theorized that the unexpected behaviour was associated with MagnetoHydrodynamics ocurring in the plasma created in the Z machine. Dr. Jean Pierre Petit, the only civilian MHD expert, has been shouting to the crowd for the past 6 years about this, to no avail. Unfortunately, this opens the door to cheap nuclear weapons that anyone can afford, hence, military will never let it become commercial, and we know that both Sandia Labs and Lockheed Skunk Works are under DoD contracts. In fact, Sandia Labs Z machine was “repurposed” shortly after the papers from Haines were published, before anyone could even realize of what was happening.