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	<title>Comments on: Rossi: Domestic E-Cats Still Planned, Certification Problematic</title>
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		<title>By: James Smithurst</title>
		<link>http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/01/rossi-domestic-e-cats-still-planned-certification-problematic/comment-page-1/#comment-102060</link>
		<dc:creator>James Smithurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sent an email to Roger Green of e-cat Australia last year asking whether any Australian certification was available for the e-cat, and if not, when will this be done?
Australia is not likely to accept foreign certification for a unit that produces heat via an unknown supposed nuclear reaction. In Australia, we can’t even do our own electrical or plumbing. Hot water systems must have special valves fitted so that the temperature cannot exceed 55 or so degrees Celsius. I never got a reply from Mr Green. I find the whole process of setting up an exclusive distributorship for this part of the world (ready to take orders but no product nor certification is available) very suspicious. By the way, the Australian website claims that a domestic e-cat will be available in 2013 and that a commercial unit is available now.

The website reads: &quot;10KW Home E-Cat Heating Unit
Estimated Price $2000-2500.00
Estimated 6 months re-fill cartridge cost $150
Estimated Lifetime 20 years

Easy to retrofit into existing water heaters and heating and cooling systems to seriously reduce customers’ electricity and gas bills.

Remember, when you have thermal energy, it is easily converted with known technology into cooling – air-conditioning. All you need to do is bolt on your heat extractor.

The energy density is so high that the E-Cat modules only need to be loaded two times a year. On these occasions, you will simply mail your E-Cat cartridge back to our office to be recycled, and we will send you a re-fill, plus of course you can always have a spare cartridge close at hand&quot;

Mr Rossi was right the first time, I presume. You&#039;ll have trade unions and other organisations try to regulate any such device and make it as difficult as possible to self-install an e-cat without strict guidelines and supervision by a &#039;professional&#039;. I am sure that the plumbing and electrician fraternity will get into this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent an email to Roger Green of e-cat Australia last year asking whether any Australian certification was available for the e-cat, and if not, when will this be done?<br />
Australia is not likely to accept foreign certification for a unit that produces heat via an unknown supposed nuclear reaction. In Australia, we can’t even do our own electrical or plumbing. Hot water systems must have special valves fitted so that the temperature cannot exceed 55 or so degrees Celsius. I never got a reply from Mr Green. I find the whole process of setting up an exclusive distributorship for this part of the world (ready to take orders but no product nor certification is available) very suspicious. By the way, the Australian website claims that a domestic e-cat will be available in 2013 and that a commercial unit is available now.</p>
<p>The website reads: &#8220;10KW Home E-Cat Heating Unit<br />
Estimated Price $2000-2500.00<br />
Estimated 6 months re-fill cartridge cost $150<br />
Estimated Lifetime 20 years</p>
<p>Easy to retrofit into existing water heaters and heating and cooling systems to seriously reduce customers’ electricity and gas bills.</p>
<p>Remember, when you have thermal energy, it is easily converted with known technology into cooling – air-conditioning. All you need to do is bolt on your heat extractor.</p>
<p>The energy density is so high that the E-Cat modules only need to be loaded two times a year. On these occasions, you will simply mail your E-Cat cartridge back to our office to be recycled, and we will send you a re-fill, plus of course you can always have a spare cartridge close at hand&#8221;</p>
<p>Mr Rossi was right the first time, I presume. You&#8217;ll have trade unions and other organisations try to regulate any such device and make it as difficult as possible to self-install an e-cat without strict guidelines and supervision by a &#8216;professional&#8217;. I am sure that the plumbing and electrician fraternity will get into this.</p>
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		<title>By: John Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2013 01:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps an E-Cat would not be needed for automotive force...Think about the Cyclone Waste Heat Engine (already in Production and being sold) from Florida, USA.Many types of heat sources can be used with this type of engine and it can be used either as direct drive to wheels or used to run a generator to power an electric car.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps an E-Cat would not be needed for automotive force&#8230;Think about the Cyclone Waste Heat Engine (already in Production and being sold) from Florida, USA.Many types of heat sources can be used with this type of engine and it can be used either as direct drive to wheels or used to run a generator to power an electric car.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris I</title>
		<link>http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/01/rossi-domestic-e-cats-still-planned-certification-problematic/comment-page-1/#comment-99955</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 22:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is interesting to watch the Q&amp;A session of that event. Unfortunately they did not make it a third, separate video, despite it concerning both speakers; it is the last 12 or so minutes of the one with Celani&#039;s speech. I advise downloading the video, then you can go to the 50th minute, unless you want to watch the whole thing.

The Q&amp;A session gives a hint or two about how the research community regards these things. It doesn&#039;t really look like there is a conspiracy. There is caution, yes, and due diligence especially about dedicating resources and funding to these matters. The one who engages Celani with the most objections is equivocating on the matter of statistics in the meta-analysis, but it&#039;s a bit of a subtle matter; although I strongly disagree with him it isn&#039;t all that simple to spell out where he goes wrong.

Journals are enterprises which provide a service, they don&#039;t have some sacred duty nor responsibility to science or to humanity. They only have a reputation to defend. I don&#039;t see this Great Fault, except for some matters of human nature and shortcomings which are common in all walks of life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting to watch the Q&amp;A session of that event. Unfortunately they did not make it a third, separate video, despite it concerning both speakers; it is the last 12 or so minutes of the one with Celani&#8217;s speech. I advise downloading the video, then you can go to the 50th minute, unless you want to watch the whole thing.</p>
<p>The Q&amp;A session gives a hint or two about how the research community regards these things. It doesn&#8217;t really look like there is a conspiracy. There is caution, yes, and due diligence especially about dedicating resources and funding to these matters. The one who engages Celani with the most objections is equivocating on the matter of statistics in the meta-analysis, but it&#8217;s a bit of a subtle matter; although I strongly disagree with him it isn&#8217;t all that simple to spell out where he goes wrong.</p>
<p>Journals are enterprises which provide a service, they don&#8217;t have some sacred duty nor responsibility to science or to humanity. They only have a reputation to defend. I don&#8217;t see this Great Fault, except for some matters of human nature and shortcomings which are common in all walks of life.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenWin</title>
		<link>http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/01/rossi-domestic-e-cats-still-planned-certification-problematic/comment-page-1/#comment-99945</link>
		<dc:creator>GreenWin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 21:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even then...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even then&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris I</title>
		<link>http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/01/rossi-domestic-e-cats-still-planned-certification-problematic/comment-page-1/#comment-99923</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris I</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t be so sure.

The word &#039;direct&#039; might be Rossi&#039;s clumsiness in saying DC and his lack of correction could be simply negligence. Even the assumption that you make is not typical for an electric engineer as well as the fact that it would indeed be an assumption, it isn&#039;t a reason for a competent electric enfineer to assume it&#039;s a magnetic field. Your conjecture would imply that Daniel&#039;s friend made an arbitrary guess which happened to be right and this doesn&#039;t fit with him being an electric engineer of the ilk I&#039;m familiar with.

Anyway, who cares. I simply raised a mild doubt this chap, that&#039;s all. As for plasma, I wouldn&#039;t expect such a field as a consequence without some further mechanism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be so sure.</p>
<p>The word &#8216;direct&#8217; might be Rossi&#8217;s clumsiness in saying DC and his lack of correction could be simply negligence. Even the assumption that you make is not typical for an electric engineer as well as the fact that it would indeed be an assumption, it isn&#8217;t a reason for a competent electric enfineer to assume it&#8217;s a magnetic field. Your conjecture would imply that Daniel&#8217;s friend made an arbitrary guess which happened to be right and this doesn&#8217;t fit with him being an electric engineer of the ilk I&#8217;m familiar with.</p>
<p>Anyway, who cares. I simply raised a mild doubt this chap, that&#8217;s all. As for plasma, I wouldn&#8217;t expect such a field as a consequence without some further mechanism.</p>
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