The European Patent office has granted a patent for the Francesco Piantelli’s invention of process for producing energy from a nickel-hydrogen reaction.
European Patent Office published the certificate on January 16th, 2013. All documents associated with this application can be found here.
Sergio Focardi, who assisted Andrea Rossi in the development of the E-Cat had worked with Piantelli in the study and development of LENR from nickel-hydrogen processes.
UPDATE:
Here is a link to the full text of the patent, hosted on Daniele Passerini’s site:
http://www.22passi.it/downloads/EP2368252B1[1].pdf
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This is bad news! It means nobody can do anything that could infringe on this patent – it potentially locks up LENR for the next 20 YEARS unless of course you’ve got a few lazy millions laying around.
The patent system has only ONE purpose, to protect vested interests against the threat of innovation!
Without Patents there is no Innovation!
Sorry, not true… We have never had software patents, yet there is more innovation in software than in any other part of the productive economy.
In fact, if you really want to get down to it, the absolute greatest levels of innovation, bar none, are in the area of Open Source software development, where there isn’t even a profit motive!
Everything we think we know about actual real-world economics is wrong, and is designed solely to perpetuate power and vested interest. Prosperity comes when human productive energies are liberated – slaves do not innovate, as a rule.
Correction: technically, we do have software patents. My bad.
But the principle that they inhibit innovation is even more true with software patents, which are some of the most frivolous filings you can imagine.
+1
It is true, but it is kind of the only real example of the kind. To the risk of sounding inappropriate or worse, I think that it has to do with the mindset of people that have one main thing in common. They are all mathematic geniuses, and they do not see things from our point of view, if they did they could not possibly do what they do. Second and also very important they do not have to dipend on anything, or need financial backing to do what they do, so they do not get “contaminated” by it. Simplistic I know, but I believe not too far off the mark.
Correction, I believe that is 30 years in Europe.
And no, it is not bad news. It is good news. Who cares, really, if it is Rossi or Piantelli who gets the patent. This is how the game works, and this is how the transition to this new clean form of energy all starts. Now.
Piantelli will find a partner, or give out licenses, and we’ll be in business.
Its (up to) 20 years (here) in Europe.
And , by the way: Patents protect the “intellectual property”, but they have an (intended!) side effect: They disclose the invention. This means the technology becomes known and other can try work arounds. This way innovation is accelerated. And a patent is only valid if someone “experienced in the art” is able to repeat it by the informations that are disclosed in the patent. So a patent keeping secrets can be destroyed at court.
Sorry, this is quite possibly game over.
Thinking of tinkering with LENR in your garage? Think again, unless you got a team of lawyers. If you infringe on that patent, you can expect to be sued.
LENR can now be bought. The whole thing. Bought up, and shut down. If I were a Saudi Prince, why wouldn’t I just throw a few million at this new patent holder and buy it? What would I do with it? I’d frame it, most likely, and put it up on my wall as a conversation piece. I would boast to all of my oil baron buddies how narrowly we had come to losing everything, had I not had the good sense to see the danger and shut it down first. Guffaw guffaw.
That may sound absurd, but what is to stop it? Patents make that possible. This is why that is very bad news.
I think you are being overly pessimistic.
Piantelli has no intention of locking LENR away for the next few decades.
I do think that a patent grant represents a step towards LENR being accepted as real, which is really the main obstacle in this whole story since P&F.
I have no doubt Piantelli is a very good man. Let us hope so.
Of course relying on the saintly character of men is no plan, and no way to run an economy.
The fact remains that this patent now casts a long shadow over LENR.
On the contrary I think that having a validation of the work of one of the fathers of cold fusion is very positive. I very much prefer this than a patent granted to Shell Renewable Energy, or even to Defkalion for that matters, simply because we can be sure that Piantelli will do everything to get the CF to the market with no delay, as this is the dream of a lifetime for him (and for us)and the coronation of 2 decades of perseverance and sure enough the epithome of all scientific revenges. In short he deserves it
No, you can tinker all you want in your garage, a patent only makes it easier to figure out. No one has the legal abilities to stop people building these things for themselves. But they aren’t allowed to sell it, though. So this makes open source easier, plus it has the advantage of it making the market sooner, now that he can go ahead and make the product.
Patents are only as good as the patent holders financial ability to continually defend it.
AND Jonas, just above, is correct…
I’m no expert, but I recently finished an online course on intelectual property organized in partnership with the WIPO. As far as I understand, you shouldn’t be able to sit on a patent and prevent anyone else to explore the new technology. If you don’t explore the technology, or license it, and do not alow anyone else to explore it, you may loose the patent. There are legal mechanisms to do so, for example the possibility for compulsory licenses.
“LENR can now be bought.”
I have to agree that this is a very real possibility. At the very least, ownership of this patent could hamstring LENR development for a decade or more if it fell into the wrong hands. Nickel-hydrogen does seem to be a key combination, and the patent seems to cover most possible variations.
If Piantelli doesn’t move to production and licensing fairly quickly, then full-on open sourcing may become the only way forward if we are to see cold fusion actually making any impact on our energy needs.
It’s a good day for the lawyers but it won’t stop innovation.
Piantelli’s patent is something of a ‘catch all’ in which a wide range of configurations and stimulus types are covered. Like the earlier Han Nee WIPO patent it seeks to claim a far wider area that he will have directly experimentally verified.
I’m no patent expert, but I would have thought that this would leave the patent open to challenge by those who can demonstrate working devices that differ significantly from Piantelli’s specifications, or where his descriptions are too generic. However (as Linda says) this option will only be open to those with huge piles of dosh to throw at lawyers, so as far as smaller start-ups are concerned, this development could mark the end of their plans.
This patent could well impinge on Rossi’s operations as the LT ecat-type technology seems to be effectively covered, and this would of course add a further impediment (as if it needed one) to the possible future release of domestic e-cat heaters or CHP units.
As far as the ‘hot cat’ goes, this is probably a significantly different technology (tungsten substrate?) and is probably not covered (as yet!). Rossi’s partner may need to look at getting patent protection ASAP however, as it looks like Nichenergy may be hot on their heels.
From Vortex
#11 Robert Greenyer 2013-01-18 14:25
@All
The EU cell had to be taken off line at short notice to be taken to a
big european consortium for preliminary discussion about it. If they
are not time wasters, we will ask them to sign an MFMP Full Disclosure
Agreement (FDA) as soon as possible.
So it has not been on line for a few days. Normal programming will
resume shortly. Currently we are trying to track down Nicholas as we
have not heard from him (except an unqualified request to urgently
order more glass tubes) since he left for the meeting
——————
Harry
Hmmm…curious. It wasn’t as if that was a huge advance at MPMF was it?
Slight OT, Big Energy in Play:
Wow… Global bidding war for Italy’s Ansaldo Energia, (participant in NI Week LENR panels, reviewer Rossi October 1MW e-cat demo). Bidding is lively from Samsung, Doosan, and Siemens AG. This is significant as Samsung is a new bidder now doing due diligence – and is a giant in consumer products. Could US-Samsung be a carrier?
http://pulse.alacra.com/deal-news/-C1097071
Finmeccanica sets January 23 deadline for AnsaldoEnergia bids:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/17/us-finmeccanica-ansaldo-idUSBRE90G13R20130117
we will see who gets AnsaldoEnergia!
Ansaldo Energia is simply a very advanced producer of gas turbines and generators among other things, and Italian governement needs revenue, so Finmeccanica (parent company) is selling these gems. Siemens, GE and the likes are salivating at the prospect of acquiring it for so little money, so Italy can continue losing the few companies that bring innovation, revenues, and keep highly qualified scientists in the country. R&D will go to Germany or US, and production little by little will go anywhere they please.
By the way I am a Cold fusion believer, this is not inteded as trolling, just a different perspective
GP
I believe their interested in Ansaldo Energia’s Clientele. Part of Ansaldo’s business is building Generating facilities from the Ground up with long term contracts for service.
Siemens & GE are big enough that they could build their own Clientele, but it’s much cheaper & Faster to buy a ready made Customer Base along with the ready trained personnel to operate it.
I doubt the Turbines are of that much concern to GE & Siemens as they have their own state of the art turbines.
“I believe their interested in Ansaldo Energia’s Clientele. ”
Especially true if one of the first products will be a retro-fit kit for a widely installed type of gas boiler. How many of Ansaldo’s existing customers would not want to practically eliminate their fuel costs.
This is not the first LENR patent ever issued. Not even by the EPO. What makes this special?
hi, hugh,
Probably that they would grant one to someone and not others,
HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE SUBJECT,
It is strange the US Patent office would grant NASA
a patent just days before Rossi’s October 2011 test
of the 1 MW plant while refusing Brillioun and others
on the not very plauseable grounds that they do not
believe LENR is possible.
I do think the original patent system was to protect
specific products design in the market from being copied
and not to own a theory or idea.
I’m not sure the USPO did grant them a patent? Didn’t they just accept them into the process?
I think that is correct, Daniel. I never heard about the patent being granted, just applied for.
I stand corrected. Usually my memory serves me well I thought I read that a patent was granted.
Numerous cold fusion/LENR patents have been accepted in Japan and China and
many of them were from before the e-cat.
Rossi may have a truce with Toyota.
from:
http://www.controversial-science.com/cf/patent.html
“The USPTO has a long history of disdain toward cold fusion, and routinely rejects patents solely on the premise that cold fusion is a form of “perpetual motion,” and thus impossible.”
What other EPO LENR patents have been issued?
EP1656678 B1
there is a new category at EPO for LENR
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?1043-EU-patent-category-for-LENR-devices
Well my question to Rossi got vapourized but someone got it in.
Andrea Rossi
January 18th, 2013 at 12:57 PM
Dear Ecco Liberation:
Our attorneys will file suits to invalidate patents that have not ground to exist.
We already are in action for this issue.
No other comment, in the meantime.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Ecco Liberation
January 18th, 2013 at 12:11 PM
Hello Dr. Rossi,
Could you comment on the news about the patent recently granted by EPO to one of your main competitors? Do you suspect there might have been “inside work” in the patent office to favor his work instead of yours, which has been filed earlier? But most of all, do you think this will somehow affect the introduction of your technology to the market?
Ecco
The q and a above have been scrubbed from the JoNP
great catch. Thanks for posting here!
It looks from Rossi’s answer that this patent is hurting him.
If the patent doesnt “have ground to exist.” whats the problem then
He means prior art (his previous applications). Not sure how that works in a First-to-File system like the EUs.
Presumably the EPO patent, and the equivalent American one, will stand until challenged in court. If anything in Piantell’s claims applies to Rossi’s e-cat then technically I would think he and his partner could be stopped by court orders until such time as he successfully overturned Piantelli’s patents in the courts.
Any young lawyers reading this should gear up as specialists in patent law and LENR – the gravy train will be departing shortly.
really intrigueing insofar as the efforts to get that patent is concerned.now heres the big question,why would someone go through all the efforts to get such a patent? Quite frightening
hi, guy.
My guess is, Dr. rossi is way ahead of this crew, but they and others are trying every way possible to find a chink in his armor, or the missing scale on the belly of smaug the drogon’s from lonly mountain.
Thin Film Solar Cells: New World Record for Solar Cell Efficiency
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130118064733.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29
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Solar and PV “breakthroughs” can reasonably be used as a metric for LENR disruption. The more LENR is reckoned with, the faster the PV “breakthrough” appearances. This is a scramble to save the solar industry. Likewise with NG-CH4 finds.
It does kinda look that way doesn’t it. Almost as if (in the case of PV) they had better technologies ‘in the pipeline’ all along, but were just trying to squeeze the most out of whatever they are currently producing before putting any money/effort into finalising and releasing the upgraded product.
There seem to be many indications now that the energy industries are aware that things may change soon, and they need to be ready. That doesn’t mean to say though that other decisions may not be being made at higher levels. We should know within a couple of months roughly how things are going to pan out from here.
Nanowires Fuel Breakthrough for Solar Energy
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130118064735.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29
From Twitter
HELLO! >>> Dr. Edmund Storms, LENR updates, (12:30-2 PM EST). Listen @ http://www.thespaceshow.com . Call Dr. Storms @ 1-866-687-7223
hi, buddy.
i would like to ask why he can’t do with 50 million, that the fp/mp guys are doing on 7,000,— relly, and the fp/guys are only asking fot 500,000. hua,–redictuless
Dr. Edmund Storms, LENR interview on The Space Show.
90 minute MP3 46.1MB
http://archive.thespaceshow.com/shows/1932-BWB-2013-01-18.mp3
According to patent attorney David French, there were two prior Piantelli International Patent Apps, 2006 (with Focardi & Haber co-inventors), 2009 PCT (Patent Cooperation Treaty,) and this granted patent. This issued patent has been assigned to the following individuals: Silvia PIANTELLI, Alessandro MEIARINI, Leonardo CIAMPOLI, and Fabio CHELLINI, all of Italy.
With the clear acceptance of Cold Fusion in the European Union there is now an official International Classification: G21B3 – physics, nuclear physics/nuclear engineering, fusion reactors, low-temperature nuclear fusion reactors… For future devices.
A stunning achievement in so short a period of time – considering the consensus of mainstream physicists still think Cold Fusion / LENR “is impossible!” A great day. Congratulations to the many tireless scientists who have brought this about. It is a triumph for Cold Fusion, Piantelli, ICCF contributors, Rossi/Focardi and all who have believed this day would arrive.
And congratulations to the scientists and administrators working in the EPO, for not following the unfortunate example of the USPTO.
The things people do to make the news. Now Piantelli admits he used EPO.
a la Lance Armstrong?
Man, how I miss the like button now
Now seriously, does this mean that the European Patent Office’s decision will influence the USPTO’s stance on cold fusion?
Hope so.
+++Good question…
HELLO EVERYONE,
Haven’t heard Mr. Rossi ‘s response yet, but believes that (s_it) is just fixing to hit the fan, lol.
I asked on JoNP if Rossi cared to comment on this important development (patent) and my post just disappeared. I tried twice. I think I’ve been flagged and no longer get the benefit of the doubt after yesterday’s evolution/revolution post there. It’s just a guess but I think my post remains hidden while it is waiting moderation. That or it’s just a glitch. Anybody else ever experience the same thing?
Fibb.
Usually your post is visible for you to see it, until Rossi give you answer.
If it disappear it mean, Rossi don’t want to answer to the question.
It disappeared immediately after I submitted it though.
Does this mean the EPO accepts that LENR reactor is creating excess heat?
Well, I believe the hiding “Sergio Focardi” is the real father and the hero of nickel-hydrogen reaction and cold fusion generaly.
I’m agree with you – This a good comment form Zaghlool – The first wise comment from Zaghlool I ever seen so far.
well exept for the last part: “and cold fusion generaly”
Hi, ya’ll
Dr, focardi, was indeed a great part of this game changer, but Dr. Rossi was the leader examiner, and deserves all the rights.
Certainly an impressive achievement. Together with his 1999 patent, this should ensure Piantelli’s recognition as the father of light hydrogen LENR.
Does anyone here know Piantelli’s plans to commercialize LENR?
yes, with his company http://www.nichenergy.com/
NICHENERGY
Ni=Nickel C=Carbon H= Hydrogen Energy!
Is Carbon in form of graphene the catalyser?
Interesting thought. But wouldn’t carbon tend to reform as methane in a hydrogen atmosphere and at the temperatures involved? Or does graphene have different chemical properties? Perhaps the ‘C’ refers to ‘carbonate’ (potassium carbonate was mentioned by Defkalion as a co-catalyst in their system, and has previously featured in several LENR reactor designs).
Thermal stability of multilayer graphene films synthesized by chemical vapor deposition and stained by metallic impurities
http://iopscience.iop.org/0957-4484/23/7/075702
This study reports the thermal stability of graphene films synthesized by chemical vapor deposition (CVD) on catalytic nickel substrates in a reducing atmosphere
Objection withdrawn m’lud!
Look at:
WO2012088472 – METHODS OF GENERATING ENERGY AND/OR HE-4 USING GRAPHENE BASED MATERIALS
https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?number=EP11808546
LENR4U, thanks. Do you have a link for the actual patent app? This looks very interesting from the catalyst POV.
EPO Search for G21B3:
https://register.epo.org/espacenet/advancedSearch?searchMode=advanced&pn=&ap=&pr=&fd=&pd=&prd=&pa=&in=&re=&op=&ic=G21b3&ti=&recent=1
as far as I understood NICH is for Nichel the Italian word for Nickel.
A boring explanation – but almost certainly correct!
This is great news. I suspect there’s a good amount of celebrating going on in Italy. Congrats to Piantelli and crew. The Nobel may be split three ways: Piantelli, Rossi, Focardi.
We also have to thank the patent office for doing their job. You know they must have been under tremendous pressure.
It’s funny how people have been talking lately about moving on to other things because there’s not much going on with CF. But actually the race is just heating up.
They better give the Nobel to Pons and Fleischmann in my book.
Nobel prizes are not given to folks who are deceased.
Pons is alive and well and living in France.
Oh really?! Well so is Elvis.
(Sorry, the side track seemed kind of funny, so I thought I’d pile on. Obviously Pons is still alive, and that’s a really important point. And obviously Elvis isn’t living in France. He lives in the UAE with Michael Jackson
The Nobel price should be given to Pons, Piantelli and Focardi. All Rossi did was enhance the effect. If it turns out Rossi have made a completely new discovery in theory he might also get one.
Rossi, Defkalion is keeping everything so secret, when we know what they really have found we can judge on them getting the Nobel price.
That’s true – I bet there was some traffic from the US Patent Office.
right, crazy how opinion seems aside the data…
Things get more and ore serious from the professional side.
True however that there is less chit-chat, and more underground work that make big noise above…
funny to see how Defkalion let many people skeptical while they have the best profile of results, followed by Proia/Rossi, and with many challengers working hard.
Funny to see how Brillouin is popular in US, while they only have unusable reactor proven, which need a hard redesign to be usable…
funny to see people (me too!) looking after MFMP, while there are thousands better results from 89-99… with tritium, heat, he4, transmutation…
we are not much more rational than the mainstream priest of science. just a little more rational.
I’m lucky because my tech watch on lenr-forum.com make me feel the wind day after day…
Know how you feel, Regards George
nope, sorry,
F/P Rush to fame, got them no glory, they got caught with their paints down, as usual and they only saw a very small effect, and could not reproduce it. and of f/p, any good scientist would have not given up, but continued to find ways to work around, Dr,ROSSI AND FORCARDI, Were the ones that took all this good information and finished the job, thanks to their abilities and being of the right stuff, they succeeded and brought a produce to market.. end of story.
This is great news!
I took a quick look through the application and think they (EPO) wouldn’t have understood most of it and just stamped a pass on it
Having also looked at the application, no-one can be in any doubt that what is being described is a class of low energy nuclear reaction (for example, read the “Druckexemplar” (or print copy) attached to the submission on 8/8/2012) – and the EPO are not in the habit of passing applications just because they have been submitted. You can rest assured that this application will have been through a rigorous and fair process…
“just stamped a pass on it”
That’ll be why 74 documents changed hands over a period of nearly three years then in the process of applying for this patent. Your ‘look through the application’ must have been very quick indeed – if you actually bothered to look at all.
Your intention appears to be to attempt to minimise the importances this landmark development.
R101 – That’s absurd. The EPO will have been as alive to the issues as is the US office.
I think you guys must’ve missed the smiley.
Like I said, I think this is great news for the LENR front.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.
Aldous Huxley
Eco Inventions
A Showcase of The Latest Green Inventions.
http://www.ecoinventions.ca/2013/01/15/nasa-admits-lenr-cold-fusion-game-changer-4/
Andrea Rossi
January 17th, 2013 at 10:36 PM
Dear tomconover:
I did not read the report, yet, because it has not been published yet. By the way, the Third Party members returned this week to make more tests to clear some points that they had to repeat, while I am in Miami. I know that there are skeptics too.
I fear we will have to wait for the publication to know about the report. Maybe I will have its final version the day before the publication, maybe not.
About the plantas, they are in construction.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Third party returned to do additional testing. I have never heard of this , or are the testers incompetent.
It is in fact very common for additional work to be carried out during the preparation of a research paper, in order to confirm results, answer questions arising from the processing of data, and to eliminate any possible errors. The fact that this is being done confirms the competence of the test group, who are obviously doing whatever is required to make their results as solid as possible.
If you are not aware of this, it simply indicates your lack of knowledge about these matters. Or perhaps your intention was just to try to downplay the significance of the results as and when they are published?
Referees (of the peer review process) may have given a critical feedback that caused the investigators to provide more evidence.
Totally plausible.
I agree. They may, for instance, have queried the calometrics.
remember that about Rossi patent, the patent office (US? EU? don’t remeber) asked both for more disclosure of the process, and also for more evidence of working…
So when they accept a patent, THEY HAVE EVIDENCE IT WORK.
And therefore the independent report. Rossi must be hurry for a patent on the secret catalyst now. That is what he still has for EPO’s consideratons….
rossi tried to block piantelli patent
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?1041-Piantelli-Patent-Observations-by-third-parties-NOT-inventive&p=3674#post3674
Through his patent expert, Cicogna…
claim it is not reliable, not innovative.
observation rejected.
I noticed the ‘observation’ but had no idea that Rossi is behind Cicogna.
Thanks for this very interesting additional information – it seems that the IP wars are beginning, and that Rossi is OK with fighting dirty.
From Vortex with thanks
[Vo]:Just published: JCMNS vol. 10 (Jan 2013)
pagnucco Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:33:14 -0800
JOURNAL OF CONDENSED MATTER NUCLEAR SCIENCE – Vol. 10, Jan-2013
http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol10.pdf
RESEARCH ARTICLES
Characteristics and Energetics of Craters in LENR Experimental Materials p1
— David J. Nagel
From the Naught Orbit to the 4He Excited State p15
— A. Meulenberg
Protocol for a Silicate-based LENR Using Electrodes of Various Metals p30
— Brian P. Roarty and Carol J. Walker
An Introduction to the Pico-chemistry Working Hypothesis p40
— Jacques Dufour
Effect of Forced Oxidation on Hydrogen Isotope Absorption/Adsorption
Characteristics of PdNiZr Oxide Compounds p46
— Yuki Miyoshi, Hideyuki Sakoh, Akira Taniike, Akira Kitamura, Akito
Takahashi, Reiko Seto and Yushi Fujita
Recent Advances in Deuterium Permeation Transmutation Experiments p63
— Y. Iwamura, T. Itoh, N. Yamazaki, H. Yonemura, K. Fukutani
and D. Sekiba
JOURNAL OF CONDENSED
MATTER NUCLEAR SCIENCE
Experiments and Methods in Cold Fusion
VOLUME 10, January 2013
http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol10.pdf
Just to point out to everyone, these scientists are the good ones! They are the open-minded, non-dogmatic scientist that don´t take any prior scientific knowledge for granted…but they are not sceptics!All other scientist in the world are the bad guys that say stuff is impossible.
This is the best possible news. In awarding a patent to an LENR invention, Europe has taken a bold and decisive step toward bringing this most important of research out into the light. Well done to Francesco Piantelli and to all those working in this amazing field and many thanks for working under such difficult conditions battling against entrenched dogma, oppression and suppression. You have proved yourselves to be true scientists and pioneers, keeping your minds open and your resolve firm – keep up the good work! Let us hope that others in positions of authority now show such “openness for the new” and “courage to face the future”…
I hope that it will not generate problems for Rossi’s ability to commercialize the ECat. It is conceivable that we will see a number of legal battles in the future over hydrogen – nickle reactions.
I don’t like the patent system. I think that it generally is bad for innovation. It would be better if it would not exist. Instead inventers would have to try to keep the secret sauce secret. Just as Rossi is doing.
One can only hope it brings Rossi into an earlier commercialization of his domestic e-cats, but this is probably not likely. If Piantelli works fast, though, we could perhaps sooner have another device on the market. Fingers crossed.
+1
++1
I don’t think it will delay commercialization, they will go for the money and argue about the split later. (:
Can anyone provide a link to a verifiable photo of Francesco Piantelli? Is the one at http://newenergytimes.com/v2/images/Piantelli-by-Dunn2.jpg the real Francesco?
Or is this the real Francesco? http://cdn.coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/002_1.jpg
I’ll answer to your questions only after U’ll have explained to me who really is this guy in the first link U’ve posted, as it appears in
http://news.newenergytimes.net/about-new-energy-times/
And tell me what is he really doing…
the last link shows David J. French, amongst other things he is attorney for Brillouin
Here is the original photo I found on Cobraf forum (where Cures/”Fioravanti” used to post):
http://i.imgur.com/oJ0pw.jpg
Piantelli is on the center. On the far right there’s Jean Paul Biberian (I think, but he looks like him)
Also look here on Page 4. You can see Piantelli and Focardi together:
http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/astiworkshop.pdf
http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/astiworkshop.pdf
You can see here a foto of Francesco Piantelli with the Focardis
Peter
Patent doesn’t mean product, but this is a positive sign for the future of this future industry
Though not proof of anything, this is certainly a great credibility-boosting moment.
It is clear proof of the fact that the patent offices have dropped their attitude of not accepting anything that smells like cold fusion.
That fact is an indication and circumstantial evidence that a rethinking and repositioning is taking place.
You can also recognize this rethinking in the fact that several colloquiums at scientific institutions and many scientific conferences on this topic are taking place.
Many, many more indications point to the notion that we are seeing a true renaissance of the topic. Indeed renaissance in the sense of SKINR at the Universitiy of Missouri.
Science journalists are picking up on the story, it is slowly starting to trickle through, the audience is getting bigger.
This is very good news. All workers in LENR are synchronized!
This very well written, logically consistent patent text was avaiable as application: WO 2010/058288 and is a model how to apply for a patent.
It is in contrast with Andrea Rossi’s very unconvincing patent text; I have concluded long ago that Rossi does NOT want any patent, keeping his know how secret is more important for him. In a sense I have empathy for this
As regarding Francesco Piantelli’s pioneering work and creative thinking, I invite you to my blog:
A PIANTELLI TAXONOMY
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/08/piantelli-taxonomy_15.html
THE SCIENTIFIC VALUES OF PROFESSOR PIANTELLI:
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How does apply Prof. Piantelli the Rules of Galileo in practice
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Peter
Who are the co-inventors?? Looking quickly at some of the links, all I thus far see are “Piantelli, Silva, et al”. Who is Al?? Specifically, since Focardi worked with Piantelli, is he one of them??
Silvia Piantelli is Piantelli’s daughter.
Et al. means “Et alia” (from latin, “and others”), which is a common way in academic papers to collectively refer to other people/scientists in one’s research group.
“Et al. means “Et alia” (from latin, “and others”), which is a common way in academic papers to collectively refer to other people/scientists in one’s research group.”
‘Twas a joke, friend.
PhD Chemist here…with quite a few patents and peer reviewed publications over my (thus far) forty-plus year career. Just got another patent allowed today, in fact.
Without knowing anything about you, I’m not sure how Ivan (or anyone else) could be expected to know that your question was a ‘joke’. IMO he should be thanked for his polite and informative reply to a seemingly idi0tic question.
I seem to recall Sergio Focardi listed on the original application as a co-inventor. Interesting, Andrea Rossi’s 10/15/2009 International Patent App (…Nickel and Hydrogen Exothermal Reactions) is cited during the Examination Procedure.
A great achievement.
Rossi & Focardi didn’t receive a 2012 Nobel prize (http://tinyurl.com/cx4fwv3)… Will it be Paintelli & Focardi for 2013?
It generally takes many years between discovery and award of price.
Also, the Nobel prize can’t be given posthumously. Focardi and Piantelli are both old and ill.
wrong, at least Dag Hammarskjöld got his Nobel prize after his death.
Since 1974 it was decided that the prize cannot be given posthumously.
I found out that too….and that the author Erik Axel Karlfeldt also got the prize posthumously in 1931.
Yes, good news, and good luck to Professor Piantelli — and all the other pioneers!
The CF-LENR speak italian and have a long story, started since 1989 just after F&P experiments. Italians followed a different way since the start.
Positive results achievements of Piantelli first, with Focardi and then of Rossi with Focardi, indicate simply that the CF-LENR is absolutely real and working properly in producing energy in excess.
So it appears clear that those achievements have been possible thru a complex (team)work of several italian scientists, and only some of them are Piantelli, Focardi, Rossi…
Actual results are only the consequence of 23 years of continuous research and tests, though carried out separately and in different universities and national nuclear/physics centers.
BTW, the Defkalion ‘Hyperion’ is nothing but a copy (it seems incomplete) of Rossi’s E-Cat.
Piantelli/Focardi/Rossi are equally important for having created real working LENR devices, so i put a the transgoogled version of an italian wiki link, concerning Focardi, to better understand the story.
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fit.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSergio_Focardi%23Gli_studi_sulla_fusione_fredda_Nichel-Idrogeno_.28Ni-H.29&act=url
Piantelli being awarded his patent is a very significant event. Considering its content and broad base, I hope he considers taking the ARM approach to its IP rather than the APPLE.
If he takes the ARM approach – and helps partners get from zero to hero in a short time, he will be very successful.
Wonderful comment Bob. Thank you.
1) Did I read this right — did Rossi file that he had prior art and it appears that Rossi was denied by the patent office?
2) There is a wealth of information in this patent. We are going to be busy for a while.
3) Congratulations Piantelli! My probability meter (on LENR being economically viable this decade) just went up! Good news!