New WIPO Nickel-Hydrogen Patent Application Published

An interesting patent application has been published of U.S. based inventor Han S. Nee by the Wordwide Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) for “Nickel Alloys for Hydrogen Storage and the Generation of Energy Therefrom”.

The abstract of the patent describes the process:

The hydrogen-storing nickel alloy structure comprises a nickel alloy skeletal catalyst mixed with an oxide. The applied electric potential, and the increase in the gas pressure and temperature of the hydrogen from the applied heat, create a reaction between hydrogen nuclei and nickel nuclei in the nickel alloy structure whereby thermal energy is generated by the emission of phonons from the nickel alloy structure.

When referring to the alloy, the patent description states, “the nickel alloys include nickel combined with one or more of aluminum, lithium, zinc, molybdenum, manganese, titanium, iron, chromium, and cobalt. The nickel alloys may also include one or more non-metallic elements selected from the group consisting of carbon, silicon, and boron”

The patent describes a process of melting, cooling, and grinding the alloy to a powder of the desired particle size, and mixing it with a powdered oxide and then forming it into a “hydrogen storing nickel alloy structure.”

A lot of the description in this patent is familiar to those who have been following the new wave of hydrogen/nickel-based LENR processes, and it seems like common threads can be found in many of the processes being used.

The inventor is someone I have never heard of before; Han H. Nee is listed here as the president of Target Technology Company LLC, of Irvine California, which is categorized as a magnetic/optical recording media manufacturer.

  • Chris

    Now this is interesting. It sounds as if they put research effort into the information circulating and perhaps came up with something at least as good as Rossi’s. Let’s just sit back and watch how they compete against each other.

    Popcorn, coke, lemonade… enjoy the show folks…

    • Roger Bird

      Popcorn…can’t eat that, too many carbs; it’ll aggravate my borderline diabetes. Coke…you can’t be serious. Lemonade, maybe, if you make it with stevia. (:->)

      • modernsteam

        …. IF … you can GET stevia where I live …

  • georgehants

    Andrea Rossi
    December 31st, 2012 at 7:02 AM
    Dear Scott L.:
    As I said and wrote many times, the Container of the 1 MW plant is the same tested one year ago, since to the military Customer we delivered different ones. This one, seen also in the Swedish Television, has been used to make tests, modifications, improvements, certification. It has been a tremendous tool for R&D. Now it is destined to a Customer. It will be delivered on March, after further series of modifications we have in course now. Thanks to it now we can pass to a repetitive manufacturing line. After a glorious first life as a prototype for R&D, it is on his way to go to work in a centralized heating plant to supply heat: this will be his seconf life.
    Warm Regards,

    • Pweet

      Well that would explain why it looks the same then.
      I don’t recollect him previously saying that it was the same container, although I guess he doesn’t post every word he says on JONP.
      I do recollect him saying it had been delivered though. A number of times.
      That’s not a good sign.
      Since he now says the one shown in the TV interview IS the same one, the only indication we have that any have been sold and delivered is that “Rossi says”.
      Has anyone seen anything confirmed that even just one more has been produced and/or delivered?
      A Photo of the factory perhaps?
      The company dog guarding the factory maybe?
      I would have to say, I am not impressed.

  • georgehants

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    • Peter_Roe

      Morning George.

      To be honest, I am very suspicious of this one. No credible explanation of the principle of operation, or even of where the power is supposed to come from, no believable demos – just a multi-million dollar ‘licensing scheme’. I hate to sound like a denizen of ECN — but wake me up when the 3rd party tests have been done.

      • georgehants

        Hi Peter, Agreed, just interesting as they are saying things that can be checked as time goes by.
        Every week somebody win’s the lottery, so we never know, best as always to just take note and not prejudge.
        Evidence and Truth will always win the day when not interfered with by those with some kind of vested interest in distorting everything.

  • Greg Goble

    The fact is this is not a narrow band set of physical phenomenon. Not much sense in a patent war when you can come up with something else that does it. These guys and quite a few more will soon be showing themselves. Such could be predicted from the NASA assessment of LENR.

    Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, the Realism and the Outlook
    by Dennis Bushnell, Chief Scientist, NASA Langley Research Center

    REALISM quotes from Dennis Bushnell

    – “hundreds of experiments worldwide indicating heat and transmutations with minimal radiation and low energy input”

    – “evidence indicates something real is occurring”

    – “with effects occurring from using diverse materials, methods of energy addition etc”

    -This is “far from a “Narrow Band” set of physical phenomena”

    – “several labs have blown up studying LENR and windows have melted, indicating when the conditions are ‘right’ prodigious amounts of energy can be produced and released”

    – “are in fact inventing (in real time) the requisite engineering, along with verifying the physics”

    Real Popular Cold Fusion

    • daniel maris

      Cold fusion will be getting off to a flying start in 2013. Let’s hope take-off occurs soon! 🙂

  • Nixter

    Rossi’s reference to obtaining “Direct” EMF from his Hot Cats is a major claim, when Rossi the engineer makes big breakthroughs, he gets excited and talks about it on his Blog. He’s proud of his achievements and he should be, if they have any truth to them. Rossi is good at seeing the potential in his new discoveries, I think it wise to give him his due, and consider that he may be onto something even more revolutionary than his E-Cat designs.

    As Rossi stated on his Blog;
    “I think we will be able to produce directly e.m.f. , but much work has to be done. Actually, we already produced direct e.m.f. with the reactors at high temperature, and we measured it with the very precise measurement instrumentation introduced by the third party expert,….”

    I believe he is hinting that the latest experimental design of Hot Cats being researched and developed produce some kind of measurable electron flow during operation, and that this phenomenon may be able to be “tuned” or optimized to produce a device that makes meaningful amounts of EMF. Getting useful electrical power output without moving parts is already done with solar and fuel cell technology, but this may turn out to be something with far greater potential than his current generation of LENR heat generating devices for delivering something revolutionary for a Planet starving for truly affordable energy.

    I’ll withhold judgement regarding the validity of his pronouncements until the spring of 2013, when he has said that credible third party validation will become public, if he comes through on any of these “promises”, around February, that will lend instant credibility to these latest claims of “Direct” EMF from LENR processes. He may be gaining a sizable lead over any competitors like Defkalion if this is true, that may be the result of the sizable calculated risk he took by allowing his proprietary information to be shared with his secret “Partners.”

    Very interesting stuff coming out from Rossi and friends, even if it’s all a big lie, it’s still an interesting story worth following, if it it turns out to be factual, the entire planet will feel the effects of Rossi’s invention.

    • Greg Goble

      Astute of you to note the value of this. My guess, NASA assists Rossi perfection.


      In 1958, the “SPACE HANDBOOK: ASTRONAUTICS AND ITS APPLICATIONS”, by the Rand Corporation, was presented to the President at the birth of NASA. It clearly states that electricity produced without generators through some unknown nuclear process will enable astronautic transport with advanced electric drive. (plasma/ion)

      “Cold Fusion NASA LENR part three Spacebound and Earthbound Transportation” (link)

    • I think that by “direct emf” Rossi means thermophotovoltaic, thermoelectric or other such technique, or combination of techniques, to convert high temperature heat into electricity without using fluids. If Rossi succeeds in it, it means that electricity-producing home units become feasible, pending only certification.

      • Nixter

        Pekka Janhunen, your idea is the simplest, and therefore VERY likely correct, but on December 30th, 2012 at 3:01 PM,Rossi said,”.. and we measured it with the very precise measurement instrumentation introduced by the third party expert, but we are not ready for an industrial production…”,

        But I think that therm o-photovoltaic, thermoelectric techniques would not need “Precision Measurement Instrumentation”, to observe and measure EMF effects.

        I hope Rossi is referring to production of EMF from the core LENR process alone, however this is a fantastic claim, and we all know what these types of claims require to validate them. So, for now lets wait and see what the future brings us.

        • True, the precision is overkill, but he might use it if the equipment is sitting there and ready.
          But why not ask him at JONP if you think that the “fantastic” possibility could be true.

    • Paolo

      Direct emf has been obtained also in Usa, 1-2 years ago, from Brian Ahern in his experiments emulating Rossi’s apparatus, it is a really extraordinary phenomenon, but the most interesting reserches and results of Ahern are covered by a total secret.

    • Omega Z


      I’ve posted this before but most overlooked it.
      This was implied a year ago in one of the Videos involving licensee’s I believe in Feb 2012 but only noticed around July.

      I believe it involves the technic that Pekka posted in his response.
      It indicated a possible 30% to 40% conversion & they WERE talking about the Home E-cat.
      They indicated a possible 1 to 2 year time frame(Research/Development).
      I also got the impression it was something pointed out to them by someone at NASA or NASA associated.

      This got my attention because of the Real possibilities of going totally Off Grid.

      My personal thoughts.
      With a Purpose built home with e-cats in mind.
      1 E-cat with photo conversion with Lithium Air Batteries.
      Zero Moving parts. Longevity.

      A 2nd E-cat for peek use periods. Heating/Cooling

      I consider some things essential to satisfy the public need/desire for convenience. They need to be able to Program it. Set it. Forget it. The Above would fit.

      This is dependent on Lithium Air Batteries & how they pan out, as they are also in development. A couple years away from market. But other energy storage is also in research so sooner or later this combo will be possible.

      So if all works out, In about 5 years you could have the near perfect Cooling, Heating, Power system. CHIP… OFF GRID.

      • I don’t think that new types of batteries would be necessary. A normal car battery costs 150 eur and holds 1 kWh of electric energy (90 Ah*12 V). If the E-cat’s response time is 1 hour, one needs as many car batteries (or equivalent) to get the necessary buffer capacity as is the peak power in kilowatts that one plans to use. For example to use 5 kW household maximum sustained electric power one needs to buy 750 eur worth of batteries. It’s not too expensive. And with lithium batteries which are already widely used in hybrid cars and elsewhere it might be even cheaper (I didn’t check).

        • Omega Z


          I mentioned the Lithium Air batteries that are close to completion for market because they are intended to be Cheaper then the present Lithium batteries.

          Supposedly half the size, weight, cost of existing batteries. Double to quadruple the storage capacity. But they are still a work in progress. We can only hope they perform as projected. Longevity will also be important. Not cheap if needing to be replaced every year.

          How many one requires would be dependent in each individual case. Peak demand.

          Lot of unknowns at this time. I was kind of figuring the E-cat would be in continuous operation. Maybe smaller versions like paired 5Kw each. But just speculating that all this may be feasible for being off grid.

  • jake

    Current electron flow through the nickel. I wonder is there any particular
    resonant frequencies involved here. My gut feeling says something like
    this has to happen in order to set up the environment in which to create the virtual neutron in the lattice. Current flowing through the nickel conduction band could if done correctly create the right results.

    • Pweet

      It mentions the applied voltage is DC.

      • Greg Goble

        in one of the first tests, Rossi mentioned radio frequency generators.

        On 11/12/11 I noted this,

        A bit of research and I come across this item. Rossi is associated with these folks who are experts in the cavitation phenomenon. The CEO was present at the 1MW test.

        Different frequencies of sound may cause cavitation and focus heat within the nickel and hydrogen lattice, specific frequencies oscillating through a harmonic may create standing waves weakening the lines of resistance between subatomic particles. Is sound the catalyst in the Rossi E Cat reaction chamber? gbgoble-october’2011
        see Sonofusion

        Are the radio frequencies creating a micro-cavitation within the nickel hydrogen lattice? This is the first I have found where Rossi mentions frequency generation as part of the reaction process. gbgoble’11-12-11

        Rossi, “In the self sustained mode, a one megawatt plant can operate at full power, while consuming a miniscule amount of electricity to operate fans, pumps and radio frequency generators.” (link

        “Not so far in the distant future, the next generation… will look back at our generation and know that the term ‘energy shortage’ was a term for unenlightened minds” gbgoble-2009

      • Peter_Roe

        DC can still be pulsed or otherwise modulated if required.

        • Dennis Jacques

          Just so; DC refers only to direction of electron flow, not to duty cycle, or frequency.

  • Since Rossi has had only $1.5-million in income from his first Hot Cat, he doesn’t have the money to “robotize” a factory producing them. The Bologna photo of a few weeks ago showed that they are still being asssembled by hand, one at a time. He’d need to sell no fewer than 15 machines at full price to even begin to robotize.

    • Peter_Roe

      ‘Robotize’ what? Each 1MW container only needs fifty-odd modules, which are apparently of simple design. A robotic production line would be a very poor investment when such modest numbers are involved.

      Also you seem to be totally ignoring Rossi’s statement that he has sold the ‘hot cat’ IP (and possibly IP relating to the LT e-cat), and therefore it will not be him who has to fund further e-cat development, which now seems to be focused on grid power generators.

    • Garry

      At this point, if he has the kinds of investors speculated about, he would have the deepest pockets imaginable.

      Of course, that’s just speculation. Though I did ask my broker to move a fair amount of my energy and manufacturing investments into Siemens and GE. Hopefully one won’t tank too much when the other takes off!

      • Garry

        Assuming of course it’s one of these two!!

    • I think that the SVT Bologna parts were not recent, but recorded approximately in May or June, because Rossi there was hoping to achieve 600 C.

    • Omega Z


      Rossi isn’t robotizing the 1Mw system. They are hand built at this time.

      He has mentioned that some parts of production may be robotized in the future as some portions become a standardized process, but this would involve the partner doing the manufacturing. Just a natural progression of the process.

      Should note that Rossi has moved his operation from Bologna several months ago. To Ferrara. About 30 miles NE of Bologna.

  • Massimo Vitale

    Sorry I translated with Google, do not speak English.
    Let us assume that the machine actually functions Rossi, once known the catalyst is a device very simple to construct by any hydraulic, the only problem would be the fuel cartridge which still would provide the usual Chinese as they do for the printers. That’s why, I think Rossi tries to create an industrial structure that it can saturate the market. I still think that Rossi wrong to have chosen the strategy of creating a financial structure around his invention (members must be paid) would have done better to give free humanity. Maybe it’s too late too many people have to make a profit!

  • K

    The drawings in the Rossi patent documents also show electric contact (at least no insulation) between the resistance and the nickel powder. So the application of the potential on the powder is not a novelty as such.

    Also, this document does not reveal the theory of cold fusion.

    • Peter_Roe

      Agreed. Although the application goes into detail about preparation of the nickel/oxide ‘slug’ (with many ‘alternative’ branches which should not be necessary), a reference to phonons is hardly a theory of operation and the description and schematic of the ‘apparatus’ are as vague as those in Rossi’s application.

      I also find the diagram (Fig. 2) at the end of the PDF version of the application to be particularly unconvincing as being representative of any actual device. As it appears to rely on the hydrogen (a poor thermal conductor) atmosphere to convey heat to the nickel core, I would judge that it is probably impractical in the form presented, and is no more than a ‘concept’ drawing – probably just an attempt to cover the idea of taking heat from an active core by two different means, neither of which would be patentable.

      The more I look at the application the more I am convinced that Chris the 2nd is right – this is just a piece of pre-emptive patent trolling.

    • Peter_Roe

      K – replied, but in moderation.

  • Maintaining a 1 V potential difference across the nickel alloy/oxide powder mix sounds surprising. The conductivity of the powder probably might depend a lot on details and could be very high, close to typical metal values. Maybe the driver is actually current density rather than electric field. Then one could minimise electric power consumption by trying to get high conductivity (which it likely is anyway, given that the stuff is 50% metal).

  • georgehants

    Bernie Koppenhofer
    December 30th, 2012 at 9:54 AM
    Dr. Rossi: Electricity directly from heat seems to be a much more “natural” way to make electricity, compared to the Carnot Cycle. Your hot cat seems like the perfect heat machine. Are you making any progress in circumventing the Carnot Cycle to make the “PowerCat”? Thanks, and Happy New Year!

    Andrea Rossi
    December 30th, 2012 at 3:01 PM
    Dear Bernie Koppenhofer:
    You are touching a very important point: during these very days, and also during the more recent tests, we are working on this issue. I think we will be able to produce directly e.m.f. , but much work has to be done. Actually, we already produced direct e.m.f. with the reactors at high temperature, and we measured it with the very precise measurement instrumentation introduced by the third party expert, but we are not ready for an industrial production, while we are at a high level of industrialization for the production of heat and, at this point , also of high temperature steam, which is the gate to the Carnot Cycle. Thank you for your good comment.
    Warm Regards,

    • If and when a big hurricane like Hurricane Sandy strikes Miami, as it usually does once a decade, Mr. Rossi will understand the urgency of delivering electricity with his devices. Without power, he will find a way to generate it reliably, I am sure.

  • This is great news! Others are working with the Nickel-Hydrogen energy reaction and will speed-up the development and production of reactors. Hurry up Rossi! And give us a independent third party validation of your E-Cat reactors. We trust you will deliver a working reactor soon. jdh

    • Owen

      My thought exactly. The more people working on this the better. The more published details the better for average people. More news, more buzz. It seems unstoppable at this point.

      • captain

        I agree, and the sooner, the better.

        Absolutely unstoppable now: the point is if, i.e., Obama will IGNORE it, publicly, when talking of CLEAN AIR situation, and this referring mainly to the states.

        I’ve mentioned Obama, but for CALIFORNIA state it’s the same: don’t imitate the oysters on the sand.

  • H. R. Gillis

    Perhaps this will lead to extensive third party verifications? I’m thinking the people at Fleishman Memorial Institute should be able to verify the results contained in the published application- – and likely many other groups as well.

    • Peter_Roe

      There don’t seem to be any specific claims about output, but it would be good if someone has the resources to publicly test out the methods described and see what happens.

      • Pweet

        The lack of claimed output capacity and COP is to avoid getting into the situation Mr. Rossi did, and that is to make a claim which could not backed up with proof.
        A claim is not so rigorously tested if it is not so extraordinary.
        If the device produces only milliwatts it would still be consistent with the claim sufficient to be approved. The same claim would then cover devices of any capacity if they were ever produced.
        Whether thay have anything working or not, it appears to be a well thought out and prepaired application.
        I think Mr. Rossi should read it carefully and if his “secret catalyst” is not covered under this application, he should hurry up and patent it because from the look of it, that’s about all he has left.

        • captain

          I think Mr. Rossi should read it carefully and if his “secret catalyst” is not covered under this application, he should hurry up and patent it because from the look of it, that’s about all he has left.

          Hurry up,cause new animals are on the scene: after the snakes, it’s time now for parasites.

          • Pweet

            That’s just the way the system works. It’s well known and since A.R. has long been associated with patents, he would have known it.

            I think I mentioned in an earlier thread something to the effect that the strategy used by A.R. was not at all helpful to him. (not sure if it made it through moderation. 🙂 )
            If you announce to the world that you have some amazing new device and then constantly and publicly talk about it, you can reasonably expect if you don’t bother to patent it in the finest detail, someone else will.
            As I said then, no large company wants to get caught out on the wrong side of someone else’s patent. So if it’s sitting out there unprotected, like a bag of hot chips on the beach, you can hardly be surprised if the seagulls come and pick them up.
            To continue the analogy, you can now consider that particular bag of chips is flying off into the sunset.
            There is just one chip left,.. maybe,.. and that is the “secret catalyst”, and you can take that as the sauce that goes with the chips.
            Happy new year.

            • no large company wants to get caught out on the wrong side of someone else’s patent It anyway happens: Apple, Samsung, Nokia… But otherwise I agree with your post.

        • Peter_Roe

          For once I fully agree with you. I suspect that the Nee Han application may be just a pre-emptive IP grab, but if it is granted it would probably be potentially damaging to Rossi and his partner(s).

          • Pweet

            What? Only “for once’? I’m offended! 😉

  • mrG

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t this patent describe a battery device, ie a means to store energy, not a source of new energy? If this is true, could this explain Rossi’s anomalous results where he disconnects the electricity and continues to measure heat for hours afterward, not because of new energy but because the nickel-allow ‘battery’ has stored energy from the prior charging period?

    A new high-efficiency high-capacity battery technology is certainly a welcome invention, but it is quite different from a LENR.

    • Peter_Roe

      No, it isn’t, George.

      “Accordingly, it is desired to provide nickel alloys that are capable of storing hydrogen in a manner that allows low energy nuclear reactions to be achieved between nickel and hydrogen nuclei at relatively “low”‘ temperatures (e.g.. no more than about 1 ,000° C). It is further desired to provide a process and apparatus for producing thermal energy by means of such “low temperature” nuclear reactions through the storage of hydrogen in nickel alloys.”

      • Mark

        It looks like the first claim, about
        a chemical content of catalysts and the
        preparation of it, is patentable.
        The second claim, about the generation
        of excessive heat by crystal lattice
        phonon excitation, lacks theoretical
        support and/or reference to some laboratory
        verification. Due to this, the patent might
        be rejected.

        • Peter_Roe

          That’s entirely possible, but has little to do with Mr G’s false assertion that the application relates to a type of battery, as opposed to an LENR device.

    • Peter_Roe

      There is also a clue in the title of the application:


      • Omega Z


        The pieces don’t fit, but here’s a wild thought.

        Rossi’s new Partner. While everyone is watching along the East Coast, Rossi is dealing with someone on the West Coast. Smile…

  • Pedro

    Remember that story about James Martinez being threatened by NASA’s Dennis Bushnell? He mentioned that at the “Breakthrough Energy Movement” meeting on November 11th.


    During that same speech he also mentioned that he was involved with a company in California that had the “Rolce Royce” under the LENR devices and would publicise the details in 2013. Is this the company he was talking about?

  • Coltrane

    All Han Nee’s other patents relate to metal alloys for optical storage medium. Having so much experience with alloys, and access to the materials, perhaps he was able to experiment and figure out Rossi’s secret catalysts. The rest of the details of Rossi’s apparatus is fairly easy to deduce.

    • Zaghlool

      Well, definitely that California fox willing to hunt one of Rossi’s units for any price to know the full secrets of Rossi’s E-CAT.

    • daniel maris

      I find this very encouraging – particularly the fact that he has a grounding in other (presumably genuine) technology.

      Sounds good to me, subject to no one coming forward with some dirt on the guy.

      Looks like 2013 might be getting off to a very good start.

  • Chris the 2nd

    At the moment this screams patent Troll

    He’s basically said “I can use any of these metals, in any configuration however I want and i own the process no matter how you vary on it”

    Basically. he’s read all the rumours and thrown every possible combination at his patent.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to find this guy has never actually made the nickel powder he describes.

    • Blanco69

      I agree Chris. You could put this application together using known theories and speculation. It’s like making dinosaur DNA using the frog stuff and filling in the blanks with some well hedged creative hypotheses. You then set yourself up with some lawyers ready to press your case using the patent app as ammo and wait to see if Rossi delivers humanity’s gift. One thing I’ve found that is different about LENR research is that there’s plenty of publicly available data. I’ve not seen this guy previously in any of it.

    • Chris I

      I’m not sure such a strategy could work, he would have to defeat Rossi’s anteriority by having made his application well enough to fulfill requirements of patentability. If his patent is no better than Rossi’s, then only anteriority discriminates.

      I haven’t examined the whole thing but he talks about “oxides” as opposed to “a catalyst” and this suggested he must have done research, to me. In this case it could be a tight legal battle between them, especially if he has hit on the very same chemicals as Rossi. If he is only a patent troll I think it is useless because Rossi definitely comes first. If his application does not enable those versed and skilled to acheive the result without a lot of trial and error, he has no case and I doubt anyone would waste their resouces on making the application in such a manner.

  • K

    Looks as an attempt to open-source LENR.

    • Peter_Roe

      I doubt that was the intention, but there does seem to be enough information to allow replication of ‘fuel’ preparation at least. The description of the use of electrical current flow through the nickel matrix almost certainly reveals Rossi’s startup/control system as well.

      • K

        Hi Peter,
        I answered in a new comment.

  • vbasic

    Wow! Very detailed. He basically gives it away. The difference is that Rossi won’t give specifics in his patent application to protect the IP. How do you protect such a device if it seems relatively easy to produce if you detail it in the application? It must be frustrating for Rossi after many years of work. So he should quickly get them out there already.

    • Peter_Roe

      I agree. Rossi’s chances of gaining patent protection for the concept are probably now about zero – he will have to patent construction details only.

      This release also reduces the chances that TPTB can keep CF contained unless a ‘safety’ case can be constructed (faked) that can be used to make experimentation with, and construction or manufacture of CF devices illegal (‘nuclear safety’ or ‘national security’).

      The game is afoot, Watson…

      • Peter_Roe

        The question I raised in the last thread remains though – is this application describing an actual working apparatus or is it just an IP grab based on some incomplete lab work? To my mind there are too many ‘alternativelies’ for comfort, but of course that could just be an attempt to disguise the working information.

  • Zaghlool

    Well, definitely that inventor from California stolen the idea from A.Rossi.

    • Zaghlool

      A.Rossi is pioneer of “Nickel-Hydrogen” Cold Fusion Technolgy.
      Actually he is the father of the “Nickel-Hydrogen”

      • Eric


        Piantelli and focardi are among the “fathers” of nickel/hydrogen CF.
        A. Rossi is the father of one or more unknown catalysts in this setup that apparently
        got it from watts to kilowatts. I guess well know for sure when and if irrefutable evidence
        Is presented to the public. I have high hopes this will happen during the course of 2013.

      • artefact

        what about Focardi – Piantelli or others?

        • Zaghlool

          Ofcourse Focardi is Rossi’s partner in that discovery , but Focardi left the leadership to Rossi.
          Focardi is not looking for glory from the people – he is a very modest person with good heart.

    • Hal

      Did I dream it? James Martinez said at the Global BEM conference he had been to California to see the ‘Rolls-Royce’ of LENR reactors…. and He thought he/they may open-source the tech?…. I must have dreamed it, no-one else can remember?

      • Pedro

        Hi Hal, you remember right. see my entry higher up. Through the link you can get to the video where Martinez makes that statement (near the end of the video)

  • clovis

    Hi, everyone,
    It seem’s very simple, a device that can self sustain , is a pmm,
    No one in history has even came close.
    Mr. Rossi has such a machine,
    and some one else comes along very soon AFTER he has already produced and sold such a device guess what, that person is a thief. and no rights should be awarded, plain and simple.

    • daniel maris

      It’s not a pmm. It uses fuel.

  • Pweet

    WOW. 46 claims covering so much.
    I didn’t see any COP mentioned.
    The method of operation of the device does not seem any different the the Celani wire experiments so I don’t know how they would be expecting to get a patent on it.
    They do give a more detailed description of the composition of the reactor components so maybe some of those claims could be granted.
    It’s hard to know from this if they have anything working already or if they are applying for the patents in case they get something to work.
    It certainly covers a range of elements.
    The application would have cost more than a dollar to lodge so they must think they’re onto something worthwhile.
    Here’s hoping.

  • walker

    Err Patent Troll sign? No work or history for this person or their company in the field. Obvious use of “state of the art” and generalized non specific language in the patent as others have noted.

  • Rob Woudenberg

    This patent has not been rewarded, but published.
    That’s not the same.

    • admin

      Correct. Thank you!

    • Rob Woudenberg

      …and it’s not a patent, but a patent application.

    • Peter_Roe

      “Under provisions in the AIPA, inventors can obtain reasonable royalties from others who make, use, sell, or import the invention during the period between the time the patent application is published and the patent is granted.”

      Also, from Wikipedia: “The publication of a patent application marks the date at which it is publicly available and therefore at which it forms full prior art for other patent applications worldwide.”

      • Pweet

        So you would have to wonder why Mr. Rossi did not submit a complete application covering all aspects of his reactor, and most specifically, the “secret catalyst” since this is apparently the critical component which makes the device work. ?

        • Peter_Roe

          Probably because under the terms of AIPA, by default all applications are published after 18 months, and whatever his secret is, it would have become common knowledge.

          Patent protection (and disclosure) are not necessary if Rossi goes down the ‘trade secret’ road as he seems to be doing. If he has turned over his IP to a large and powerful partner, who applies it only within their own products (and no doubt protected by several layers of security), this will provide far greater protection than a patent ever could.

          • Jaroslav

            Who knows how trade secrets and patents are protected when they overlap?
            What rights does the owner of the trade secret have when contesting a patent, and visa versa? Does the trade secret need to be disclosed in order to fight litigation by an owner of a patent? Does the arbiter need to be under some sort of non-disclosure arrangement?

  • Sylvie

    It sounds great.
    Maybe she (or he?) is closer than Andrea Rossi to mass production, who knows?
    2013 will be the year of LENR! 🙂

    • Joe

      Rossi already has the means of mass production since last year, in the form of a robotized factory at an unspecified location.

      • Sylvie

        Rossi has the means, but why then doesn’t he begin mass production?

        He seems to be interested by research, which is great; I like research too.
        BUT what we need ASAP is mass production so that energy prices decrease for everybody.
        It’s possible to do both mass production and research.

      • Peter_Roe

        I think there may be some confusion between industrial generators and small scale units here. Only large (1MW plus) units are being produced at the moment (and probably for the forseeable future) and a robot production line would not be appropriate for these.

        The 1MW container units are based on an obsolete low-yield technology and will probably not be produced beyond any existing orders from military(?) customers. These and ‘hot cat’ grid generators are/will be large machines, for which industrial batch production will be appropriate, but not robotic assembly. Possibly modular control systems could be produced in robot plants, but that is probably all.

  • Giuliano Bettini

    I think I saw a pussy ecat. 🙂

    • Chris

      Hmmmmm, sounds like you’ve seen it only dubbed into Italian.

      “I tawt I taw a putte-tat!”