Who’s the Partner? Speculation Thread

I thought it might be a bit of fun to try and makes some educated guesses about who Andrea Rossi’s new and seemingly very important partner might be. There are not very many clues to go by, but a couple of recent comment by Andrea Rossi gives perhaps a bit more information that might help narrow down the candidate.

Rossi responded to some questions from a JONP reader in China, and at the end of his responses stated: “p.s. Our US Partner has a strong presence in China, so I think a development of our technology there is likely.”

He was also asked if the partner “has as main activity the production / distribution of energy?” Rossi answered yes.

In addition to the above, a few other things that Rossi has mentioned about the partner are:

  • It is USA based
  • It has the capability to develop E-Cat technology as much as required by market forces
  • It shares Rossi’s philosophy (Desire to put technology to the service of mankind, low-cost manufacturing, philanthropic, creation of good jobs)

As I mentioned previously, I have come across some information that makes me feel very confident that Rossi is telling the truth about the existence of a partnership.

So who do you think might fit the bill?

  • Joseph

    Mayby it is Pramac
    This company is represented all over the world and is located in Sienna Italy.
    There is a link with the military of Australia.
    Moreover, they should not give up much of their business to the 1mw plant to produce.
    This in contrasts with B & W
    http://www.pramac.com/pages/Home_pramac_com_EU_en/412
    Mpower Australia resently teams up with Pramac
    http://www.mpower.com.au/News/MPower-teams-up-with-Pramac
    http://www.mpower.com.au/Products

  • John Littlemist

    There is an Italian company producing ORC generators: http://www.turboden.eu
    Turboden is owned by Pratt & Whitney.
    Pratt & Whitney is owned by United Technologies Corporation (UTC).

    Conclusion: UTC is Rossi’s partner!

    Right? 🙂

  • Dario

    Interesting discussion going on on Cobraf.com (where Cures used to post).
    Informations are from User Nevanlinna
    http://www.cobraf.com/forum/topic.php?reply_id=123505440#123505440
    http://www.cobraf.com/forum/topic.php?reply_id=123505458#123505458

    ———————————————————————
    03 Gennaio 2013 20:37
    …”CHARLOTTE, N.C. (BUSINESS WIRE) May. 9, 2012 The Babcock & Wilcox Company (B&W) (NYSE:BWC) announced today that its subsidiary Babcock & Wilcox Nuclear Operations Group, Inc. (B&W NOG) has received a $130 million contract for nuclear reactor components based on recent technological advances that will be used on the U.S. Navy’s Virginia-Class submarines. The award is in addition to previously announced contracts under which the Company is currently providing similar products and services.
    Work will be performed at B&W NOG’s Lynchburg, Va., facility over a five-year period, beginning immediately.”

    …”The Babcock and Wilcox Co announced that its subsidiary Babcock & Wilcox Power Generation Group, Inc. (B&W PGG) has been awarded contracts valued at approximately $55 million to design and supply environmental control equipment and design and engineer a boiler economizer for Consumers Energy’s J.H. Campbell Generating Complex near West Olive, Mich. B&W will supply four spray dry absorber (SDA) systems to control sulfur dioxide (SO2) emissions for the 835 megawatt Campbell Unit3. B&W also will supply a lime preparation system, ash handling systems and a B&W V-Temp economizer for the plant. In addition to supplying equipment, B&W will provide technical support services for engineering, procurement, construction and commissioning.”

    “http://www.babcock.com/”
    “http://www.babcock.com/products/boilers/”
    “http://www.babcock.com/library/project_profiles_NOGL.html”
    “http://www.jobs2careers.com/Jobs/q-The-Babcock-Wilcox-Company-l-Lynchburg-VA/”

    ———————————————————————
    03 Gennaio 2013 23:49
    WO2010093932
    ANCHORED NANOSTRUCTURE MATERIALS AND BALL MILLING METHOD OF FABRICATION
    “http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2010093932.pdf”

    WO2010141112
    ANCHORED NANOSTRUCTURE MATERIALS AND METHOD OF FABRICATION
    “http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2010141112.pdf”

    WO2010093899
    CATALYTIC MATERIALS FOR FABRICATING NANOSTRUCTURES
    “http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2010093899.pdf”

    WO2010093926
    COMPOSITE MATERIALS FORMED WITH ANCHORED NANOSTRUCTURES
    “http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2010093926.pdf”

    WO2010093905
    METHOD OF PRODUCING CATALYTIC MATERIALS FOR FABRICATING NANOSTRUCTURES
    “http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2010093905.pdf”

    WO2010141113
    NANO-MATERIAL AND METHOD OF FABRICATION
    “http://www.freepatentsonline.com/WO2010141113.pdf”

  • Valac

    National Instruments. 1 MW plan has already incorporated NI control system.

  • Hampus

    Texas industries?

  • GreenWin

    While this business is not a partner, it could be for certain applications. There are very few makers of micro-steam turbines; Green Turbine, a Dutch company is one of the few. And they claim to be selling their 1.2kW micro-turbine today.

    http://www.greenturbine.eu/en/product.php

    Devices such as this turbine (up to 15kW) require only 200C dry steam at about 5bar. Combine with a suitable genset, converter/inverter and you have a very nice domestic CHP system. These CHP products WILL come to market directly on the heels of any small (low temp) e-cat system. There will be little to stop the DIY market of home brewers – who, BTW, launched something called the home PC. Happy New Year all!

  • georgehants

    From Vortex with thanks
    Re: [Vo]:Latest published LENR related patent
    Alain Sepeda Sun, 30 Dec 2012 00:25:26 -0800
    Just found some data on the company and the inventor.
    http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?939-Patent-Ni-alloys-for-H-storage-amp-generation-of-energy-%28Target-tech-intl-Han-NEE%29&p=3482#post3482
    the company is from vancouver…
    the inventor is the CEO.
    No reference to LENR on their website, and big cash flow for few employee
    suggesting a big holding…
    2012/12/30 Terry Blanton
    On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 9:15 PM, wrote:
    1) The coefficient of thermal expansion between the plastic and the
    metal coatings are at least an order of magnitude different. This
    causes stresses between the coating layers and the core of plastic
    ball. Repeated temperature changes of the metal coated ball will
    cause the coating to flake off and will stop the energy generation
    process.
    This might explain why Patterson’s later beads no longer produced excess
    energy. If Storm’s theory is correct, it is the cracks resulting from the
    stresses which made the beads produce excess heat. If Patterson found a
    way to prevent the stressing due to the difference in coefficient of
    expansion, he might have solved the flaking problem; but, at the same time,
    he killed the process in preventing the surface cracking.
    Now wouldn’t that be a hoot!
    http:[email protected]/msg74742.html

    • Peter_Roe

      The full patent can be read at http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2012166808&recNum=264&maxRec=193361&office=&prevFilter=&sortOption=&queryString=evaporators&tab=PCTDescription

      Interestingly it has the following at the top of the description page: “FEDERALLY SPONSORED RESEARCH OR DEVELOPMENT”. It was filed on June 1, 2011, so it’s taken over 18 months to be accepted. LENR is specifically mentioned (the ‘phonon’ mechanism is evoked to explain the heat production) as is hydrogen storage using nickel hydride, and in the full patent description there is a section that reads:

      “a method of making a hydrogen-storing nickel alloy structure includes (a) melting a precursor alloy, where the precursor alloy comprises approximately 35%-50% by weight nickel, the remainder being one or more alloying metals selected from the group consisting of aluminum, lithium, zinc, molybdenum, manganese, titanium, iron, chromium, and cobalt, and, preferably, one or more materials selected from the group consisting of boron, carbon and silicon.”

      This patent seems to cover just about every aspect of Rossi’s e-cat (see ‘Claims’) and his chances of getting any patent protection would now seem to be slim. In fact he may already be infringing Han Nee’s patent!

      • Walker

        I smell a patent Troll.

        First up this is a patent application, not a patent.

        Secondly this person and their company has no history in the field.

        Thirdly look up “State of the art” with regard to patent application. You cannot patent others published work since this is a plagiarism of work published by others in the field eg Celani, Hagelstine, Pinatelli, Focardi, Levi, Bianchini, Miley and even Rossi; and of course not Forgetting Fleischmann and Pons; the validity of this patent application falls.

    • Peter_Roe

      Also from the full description:

      “Likewise, a water heat exchanger may include a water heat exchange tube 60 in the vessel 42, wherein the water heat exchange tube 60 receives room temperature water through a water inlet 62 and discharges steam through a steam outlet 64. The steam may be used for space heating. If the steam is superheated (e.g., to a temperature exceeding about 250° C) by having the water heat exchanger subjected to elevated pressure, the superheated steam discharged from the steam outlet 64 may be directed to a steam turbine (not shown) to drive an electric generator (not shown), as is well-understood in the art.”

      If this patent describes a working apparatus (rather than being a catch-all IP territory grabber) then it would seem that Rossi has some real competition.

      P.S. “FEDERALLY SPONSORED RESEARCH OR DEVELOPMENT” Not applicable, please ignore my previous comment.

  • georgehants

    Apple patents a wind energy storage design
    Posted December 30, 2012 – 11:00 by Pete Danko, EarthTechling
    Read more at http://earthtechling.com/2012/12/apple-designs-a-wind-energy-storage-scheme/#C8lGxEriOK7rucYp.99

  • Ramsy

    Future Prediction:
    All future cell mobile phones, Laptop computers,and all other portable electronic devices will be powered for life time by Cold Fusion Technology.

    • Zaghlool

      Well, definitely that a bad news for Battery manufacturers !

    • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

      Presumably then with thermoelectric generator. Waste heat would be several times more significant problem than with lithium batteries, unless power economy is improved correspondingly. I’m writing this with a laptop which is clearly warm. I would prefer a cooler product which I have to load than a warmer product that I don’t have to.
      If someone invents endothermic LENR, then we are talking… then also space applications would be truly revolutionised.

  • georgehants

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  • georgehants

    From Cold Fusion Now.
    Global Breakthrough Energy Movement Conference report
    December 28, 2012 / Ruby Carat
    http://coldfusionnow.org/global-breakthrough-energy-movement-conference/

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  • Omega Z

    I would have to guess Siemens.

    According to Rossi, There has been Collaborations with Siemens & Siemens has never issued a denial of this.

    22passi published slides either from the Zurich or Pordenone presentations. One of those slides indicated that Siemens was working with Rossi to develop the E-cat in a Co-generation system. This was Immediately redacted. Curious slip? Doesn’t mean anything by itself, but taken with other information???

    Siemens just finished a large 500K foot Expansion of a plant in Charlotte N.Carolina July 2012 to consolidate Co-generation production. They have also divested much of their green technologies. Mostly in the Solar sector.

    Siemens is Huge. Bigger then many realize. Near half a million employees world wide. Major involvement in the Medical field including cancer research. They have been for decades.

    They produce all the equipment/machinery & robotics that a project of this nature would require. They also specialize(A Subsidiary) in Automated Plant setups for manufacturing.

    They have facilities within 10 minutes of Rossi in Florida that’s involved with Advanced Energy research.

    I would note they’ve have been trying to purchase (Ansaldo Energy) Who builds Power plants who had personnel present at most or all Rossi’s demo’s & presentations.

    They also have a large presence in China.
    While G.E has been moving many of their facilities out of the U.S., Siemens has been expanding & has stated they intend to expand much more. The U.S. is their number 1 market & probably their largest footprint. I believe they have facilities of some type in Every State. Multiple’s in many.

    Siemens also has people on their Energy Board of directors that have had some involvement in LENR for many years. 1 has been President of the Max Planck Society. A Philanthropist Organization & Research. Direct connections to Sidney Kimmel of Missouri-Duncan LENR research.
    I would find it hard to believe that Siemens isn’t very aware of LENR & it’s Future potential.

    Of coarse you can’t totally discount G.E., But I’m not aware of them doing any major repositioning of themselves other then moving operations to Asia to exploit cheap labor.

    If G.E. is directly involved, they would be getting into the game kind of late. Seems like there would be some financial rumblings that would be detectable. Especially if they were going head to head with Siemens. Something would spill out in the Financial world I would think.

    On the other hand, There have been rumors of others -unnamed/unknown- being close to going to market. G.E cold be backing someone else.

    But these are just my views. From a consumer point of View- I see Siemens as being competitive & willing to cut prices to compete. G.E has more of an attitude of this is the price, Take it or leave it.

    Either way- These are the 2 800# Gorillas in the Room. It’s not beneath either to spread a little Slush money around to push their agenda’s or get a patent approved or certifications. Both have track records to prove it.

    • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

      One very weak signal: Siemens main site (->Energy->Power distribution) lists only low and medium voltage, not high voltage, although it’s in their portfolio also. High voltage transmission is the first one to get obsolete if electric power can be made in 1 MW units anywhere. Medium and low voltage transmission can survive longer. On the other hand they haven’t sold out their HV division, so this need not mean anything.

      • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

        Sorry I was wrong, I see now that HV is listed under Transmission.

    • clovis

      Hi Omega,
      I agree, Siemens is a good bet, they have had a good long time to get things sorted out, they being one the first real co. to partner with Dr. rossi, but National Instruments,was the first to lend a helping hand which helped him to get a handle getting the correct data from his device.

    • captain

      And Siemens should be preparing a turbine set in Sweden for Rossi’s 1MW hot plants to generate electricity, BTW 🙂

    • Andre Blum

      I had a similar piece of text in draft explaining why I thought it would be Siemens. Your post covers most of the arguments.

      Added to this:

      At some point in time, a few months back, Rossi stopped making references to the Siemens relationship. This could be because the relationship has ended or because it has turned out to be less fruitful than anticipated, or because there is not much to tell, but it is my guess that the contrary is true: Siemens has come much closer.

      I think it is possible they have joined forces, and this has led to a more professional attitude on Rossi’s behalf and a new sense of joint responsibility and mutual respect for each other and for the sensitivities surrounding this invention.

    • NJT

      Good points Omega Z and probably right on the mark – lets hope anyway…

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      But hasn’t Rossi specified that his partner is a large US company?

      • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

        He might well call Siemens-USA a large US company. Still, I’m not at all certain about Siemens, could also be GE or something else.

    • Paolo

      Rossi wrote on his blog that the new partner is a US company, so Siemens, which is European, doesn’t fit. Morerover, Siemens wouldn’t have the necessary weight in USA like a big local company can have there, and this is an important detail in the choice of a partner for penetrating the US market with a revolutionary invention.

    • Gerald

      Agreed, siemens. American factory’s is a high level deal. Let things more slowly evolve is European. Lets first wait the fiscal cliff, then the europian “crisis” and they will come out.. if Rossi has the goods,witch I believe…

    • Omega Z

      Addendum to my post: As pointed out by some Siemens Country of Origin is Germany. G.E.’s Origin is U.S.

      But these are truly International Corporations. As far as their footprint, Siemens may be more American then G.E. today, but this is just semantics. I’d note also that there is the distinction as Pekka pointed out, A Siemens U.S.A.

      Also the Siemens plant in Charlotte N.Carolina I believe is listed as Siemens Westinghouse. Westinghouse was at 1 time a U.S. entity broken up over years with Siemens eventually obtaining a piece of it.

      So we end up with personal impressions. Throw in a little bit of Rossi speak & Siemens could still be the Partner. It’s just technicalities & misdirection.

      @ Paolo-As far as Siemens having the weight to push it, They are heavily involved with the U.S. Military & because of their size would have just as much umpf as G.E. Actually any company with revenue exceeding a 100 billion a year has a major say.

      I would add that I gave this a lot of thought before saying Siemens is a good bet. It’s just a matter of perceptions.

      Perception: Many Americans consider BP an American Company. They don’t connect the BP=British Petroleum.

      Also pointed out, Rossi hasn’t mentioned Siemens for a while now.
      Two Conclusions to consider.
      Rossi no longer has involvement with Siemens, Or
      He’s heavily involved & has to keep his mouth shut. Draw no unwanted attention to them at this time.

      Wasn’t it stated about 3 or 4 months ago that the (?Swedish?) Siemens was involved with Rossi matching up a turbine Generator for the H-cat right after the Zurich presentation.

      Anyway, Piecing together bits of information, This is just my best guess. Maybe a 60/40.

  • http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/12/mfmp-to-launch-eu-test/?replytocom=94642#respond Bill Conley

    I think another clue is that the partner does not want to be identified as of now.

  • georgehants

    ndrea Rossi
    December 29th, 2012 at 10:02 AM
    Dear Steven Karels
    I am doctor in phylosophy. Got the Doctorate in the Universita Degli Studi di Milano
    Warm Regards
    AR

  • georgehants

    Andrea Rossi
    December 29th, 2012 at 3:46 AM
    Dear Florentin Margarit:
    1- I will check with our IT guy why you can’t download the Levi-Bianchini-Villa report of January 15th 2011
    2- I do not know where you get your information: if you go through the circa 13 000 (thirteen thousand) comments of this blog you will find that in these 2 years we made a titanic work
    3- same as above: Iif you read this blog, and if you have listened the registration of all the conventions where I spoke, you will find that all the times that somebody addressed to me as “Professor” I always interjected ” I am not Professor”, which is the truth. Thank you anyway to give me the chance to specify this fact again.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Fibb

      Hey G, can you stop NOT posting the questions when you post Rossi’s answers from the blog.

  • Renzo

    Last year it was a caricature, now there’s a new t-shirt design on Zazzle:
    http://www.zazzle.co.uk/rossi_focardi_for_dark_colours_excl_red_tshirt-235413929500482446

    • Invy

      While I am tempted to get one, I have to say, should the award not be given to the first to discover. If in fact the effect the ecat is exploiting is the same as f&p, then f&p should be given the award… Even post humously.

      • Paolo

        There are many distinguished researchers possible candidate to the Nobel Prize in Physics and/or Chemistry for CF, when it will be given, perhaps already in 2013 or 2014: in my opinion the best candidates are Pons, Rossi, Focardi, Celani, Arata.

        • Luca Salvarani

          The prize should be awarded to someonw who really got something… and they are Rossi and Focardi! I appreciate Arata or Celani …. but Rossi and Focardi are much better! you can’t even compare them!

          • captain

            Hi Luca, since U understand very well italian, could U decrypt bloggers’ comments ’bout cold fusion in ‘cobraf’ forum, mainly those concerning Rossi’s E-Cat?
            See Nevanlinna, Darallo, Lmwyllis, Cures.. a.s.o.
            I would be pleased to hear your opinion on ‘Rossi’ invention, if he’s really the father of that LENR, or better if he has only ‘put together’ all the infos passed to him by … 🙂

            In some way it should be possible now to have an idea of what really happened years before: UniBo and italian scientists involved…

            Just waiting for your opinion.

            • Luca Salvarani

              To Captain:

              1- Of course I understand italian but I can assure you that cobraf forum is now almost impossible to understand even for italian layman people(such as me = matematico on the forum or Lmwyllis)! beceause it’s really overcomplicated, overtechnical about cold fusion items.. honestly I think they don’t want to be understood! Cures has written that he has been forbidden to write new pieces of information about Rossi advancements so right now it’s much more like a friend’s blog where people speak freely about many things, cold fusion is the main one but there are also other ones (even philosophical ones and I hate them: I’m a practical guy such as Rossi) so it’s very difficult to follow it! My suggestion is to take the past pages of that forum and use Google translator: it’s fairly reliable and cures comments has always been very interesting. Anyway I think that on that forum there won’t be NEW news in the future!
              2- My impression (because it’s really an impression since I haven’t got inside information) is that Rossi is absolutely for real! I think e-cat technology is for real! My only doubt is about the commercial plans of Rossi and the performances (cop, stability, security) he has reached. Rossi himself have underestimated some itame when planned to commercialize home e-cats for individual customer… but I think he’s absolutely serious and honest, maybe a bit optimistic but it’s ok!
              There are many elements that suggest me so (Cobraf forum is only one of them). For example many people due to Rossi’s past justice problems claim that he’s a scam… Once again I can assure you that here in Italy the justice system is simply a mess and has never worked at all (for example almost all accountability and financial crimes aren’t punished…I’m not joking)! In the US or UK past justice problems are a consistent and reliable indicator, here in Italy absolutely not…

              • Omega Z

                Luca

                I Follow occasionally on Cobraf using Googletran. I agree with your view 100%. Even about cures not being allowed to post. He did state that he could read & follow along. Not respond.

                Even when they do talk about E-cat, it’s partly Cryptic & mixed in with other discussions. Not of much use most of the time.

            • Renzo

              “decrypt” is the right word because it is hard to follow even in italian 🙂 It is mostly various conjectures about how it could work, the catalysts, Rossi, Focardi, etc… but you don’t lose any new information because those people know as much as us do. The only guy who knows some real facts is Cures/Fiorevanti but he wrote he’s been forbidden to write again on the forum!

              • captain

                IMO Rossi has made an intense use of Bologna university teachers/professors/scientists cooperation, experiments, instrumentation, …: so it’s believed that some of them, students included, should be very well informed of what really happened there years ago.
                And those persons, mainly the ones studying the CF matters, should have certainly known the technical results achieved/new discoveries made in that area by other researchers/scientists.
                I’ve read time ago that at some point, Rossi has been very lucky when in some way he was offered the “key solution” for his future e-cat by a certain person…
                An that in the future the real history will be published.

                Cures surely, that actually as it seems, is carefully avoiding to talk of Rossi’s LERN, ha already said that it’s his intention to write one day a book on the real story on that LENR.

                And Passerini too, if I’ve read well in his blog, has the intention to tell in the future the story on the italian CF-LERN.

                One question: what’s actually Rossi’s importance in Leonardo corp? If he’s only chief of scientists and nothing more, that means to me that he has already not lost, but already sold his ‘property’ within the Leonardo corp.
                And if he still talks or writes, it’s only because he’s allowed to do so IMHO.

                So far, under NDAs, we can only figure that.

                • Luca Salvarani

                  1) Yes we can only figure that but good sense tells me that Rossi is much more than the the chief scientist! Of course he has obtained funds (I guess a lot of funds… some hundreds million dollar) to further develop the technology and realize his commercial plans; and indutrial know how in this field to accelerate the whole process..
                  2) My guess: he has an industrial partner who’s also a minority shareholder (maybe a joint venture) but I think Rossi is not only still an important shareholder but also the majority one!
                  3) Onother plausible hypothesis is this: Rossi is now a minority shareholder of the entity but retains the operative and financial CONTROL (see IAS 27.4 for the “control” definition) for a certain period of time ( for example 2 years). In order to warrant the main shareholder who doesn’t have the control (for now) the contract has many negative pledges for Rossi and specific procedures to make sensible decisions.. In addiction to this Rossi could have many stock options conditioned by the achievement of some industrial and financial results in the determind time period in which he will lead the entity…. So if Rossi achieve he will be the majority shareholder and the industrial partner will gain lots of money and future sales (thanks to fulfilled industrial and financial achievements) otherwise the partner will get the control and can exploit the e-cat technology as they want and it’s right because they have invest lots of money and gave Rossi the opportunity to achieve (history teaches that in very few cases the inventor of a technology is the best person to lead the company that uses that technology… so Rossi has to prove to be also a good entrepeneur but I trust in him)! It’s the best agreement for both of them and it’s very similar to that of Fiat-Chrysler where american taxpayers provided the funds and Fiat the control only afther the achievements of some results (technology transfer, Chrysler sales, production volumes…).

          • clovis

            Lucas, hi.
            I agree there are many who have came close, but no cigar, they all should be recognized for there effort, but Andrea rossi should get the noble prize, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades,–smile

            • Luca Salvarani

              Of courne there are many people to praise but you can’t award the Nobel prize to more than 2-3 persons so you have to choose! And in my view Rossi in primis, then Focardi (and maybe Levi… I think he could have a bigger role and involvement in the e-cat development than it seems) are the most logic choises.

        • Warthog

          Pons. Without P&F, nothing would have happened….period.
          All due credit to Rossi, Focardi, Arata and the rest, but primary credit goes to P&F. They, and they alone, had the BALLS to think outside the box, and WIN.

          And make no mistake about it, they knew what the backlash would be like (see Beaudette’s book “Excess Heat” for the details).

          With F deceased, Pons is the only honorable choice.

          • clovis

            I for sure have defended, f/p all along, and felt that they were wronged, but i am rethinking my precision,they had every opportunity to fight for their work, and choose to except defeat, not very committed or even sure of their own work, i my self and others have tried to contact dr. pons to tell him he has many fans that were willing to help him recover his honor but he instead choose to ignore our pleas,and serk his duty to science.
            If there is no fire left in his belly , then find, he can go down in history as a foot note, instead of a noble prize.

            P.S. if it were me i would gather everyone i could and push for reinstatement into the real world of science. if not for himself, surely for his great partner martin F.

  • clovis

    Hi, everyone
    Just a prediction, no mark of the beast,- just good thing ahead, all sorts of devices utilizing all kind of power sources, the e-cat hold’s the most hope, but the world is changing, get ready it coming this year, that is my prediction, for 2013, so just hold on a little while longer, a new age is at hand,—Clovis

  • Adam Lepczak

    It might be GE.
    – They have a large philanthropic arm.

  • Al S

    MIT?

    • Blanco69

      I believe MIT have their heads firmly buried in the sands on this. I suspect that they are oil sands.

  • walker

    Hi all

    Obsfuscation can be achieved by having a subsidiary buy a product, or by buying a company in stages, or by calling a car a road transport technology, or a product of a recently aquired test and research product, which up until the hot-cat is in action in February it is etc. In reality Siemans or whoever will fight the SEC cases and settle out of court and smile and call it a business cost, because they will become so rich it will not matter.

    The thing to search for is the result. The people who made the money out of the gold rush were those who sold picks and shovels. In other words what do you need to take advantage of LENR? Acquisition of combined heat and power (CHP) facilities and changes to laws to enable them. Something President Obama did was a rare presidential executive order to enable deploying of CHP back in August I think it was. Then look for those companies taking up the opportunity.
    http://blogs.forbes.com/williampentland/

    Then you look for divestment strategies in the technologies that will be negatively effected. Siemans sold their nuke plants and all their green assets. Many of the fossil fuel companies are quietly selling their oil fields, BP, SHELL, EXON etc.

    Then look for diversification strategies using up the cash from the divestments.

  • georgehants

    From Vortex with thanks.
    [Vo]:LENR was mentioned again in the Italian parliament last week.
    —-
    Moreover, in the even broader field of low energy nuclear reactions
    (LENR), significant results have been obtained recently in Italy and
    in the world (USA, Japan, CIS) in laboratories and research centers of
    great prestige, even at an industrial character;
    http:[email protected]/msg74630.html

    • Luca Salvarani

      Trust me: almost all our politicians don’t know absolutely nothing not only about lenr but also about basic layman science and technology (several of them don’t even speak italian correctly, my chinese girlfriend speak italian much better that them!) They speak about e-cat because in february there will be general elections so they want to make cheap promises to electors, taking no risks because if something goes wrong it will be only Rossi’s fault and all the all possible credits… I expect they will soon promise that future energy will be for free thanks to them, in the same way Obama took credits for oil increase production in the US after do whatever he can to stop it…. it’s quite funny!
      Even the former public education minister Gelmini few months ago writes, so it’s not a gaffe in a real time speak…(about the neutrini experiment) that there would be a tunnel between Geneve Cern and Abruzzo, a region in the central Italy: a tunnel of 750 kilometres (1 mile = 1,6 km)…. I use this absolutely real example (check it please… I understand if you don’t trust me immediately given the absurdity of our politicians for foreign standards) to show you their total ignorance and misery: the more they stay away from e-cat, the better! Maybe now you can also understand why Rossi is obliged to leave Italy to develop this technology….

      • Luca Salvarani

        Sorry for stupid grammar errors… I was in in a hurry!

  • Ramsy

    Future prediction :
    An electronic smart chip powerd by Cold Fusion Technology carrying all information of every person will be planted under man’s skin on his forehead or his right hand.
    This smart chip will be used via a smart reader to deal with every one’s personal affair – no currancy coins or banknote will be used any more.
    You will not be able to buy any thing from the market without this smart chip planted under the skin of you body.
    This smart chip will be powered be Cold Fusion Technolgy for man’s life time.

    • Zaghlool

      Well, that will be in the terrible time of the union of the monster ( Cold Fusion age) and the fake prophet.

    • Jonas

      If this chip would also help me keep warm I’d do it instantly. 😛 On the other hand, such devices already exists, driven entirerly by the powers of the body itself (it does not require much electricity at all).

    • Peter_Roe

      NWO enthusiasts have been looking for excuses to ‘chip’ people like pet dogs for a long time. If this is permitted anywhere in the world, at any time, then ‘Brave New World’ or ‘1984’ will look like paradises in comparison with what will follow.

      • Invy

        Idk, if it was just a subcutaneous chip, then I would be ok with it as all I have todo to remove it is cut it out die hard style… Or wear a metal band surrounding the chip to catch any signals it may be transmitting.

    • Karl

      This seems to me a low level kind of disinformation as we sometimes see from the stray herd from ECN.

      • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

        Yes, it seems to me that in any case LENR wouldn’t be an enabling tech for such chip. There is natural energy inside the body that such a chip could harvest, or it might be powered by RF only when read. Or one could just use fingerprint or other biometric recognition so the chip would be in the “clouds” rather than carried with the person.

        • Zaghlool

          Well, whatever the power source would be ,definitely it would be a terrible time for human kind. But the good news I would not be in this world at that scaring time.

    • http://robrites.blogspot.com Rob Lewis

      Um, thread hijacking much?

      Go back in your hole with your paranoid fantasies.

      • clovis

        yep, what you said.

    • Zaghlool

      Sure that crazy chip will contain also a GPS system to locate any person’s position on the earth surface at any time.
      Execution penelty will be applied on any person would remove that crazy chip out of his body.

      • Invy

        Faraday cage to save the day.