# Site Moved

I’m glad to say that it looks like the transfer to the new host has gone reasonably smoothly — quite a relief really. I have restored the posts that were not in the backup file — you will notice that the comments under those posts have disappeared, however. I apologize for that, but I hope they will not be missed too much in the long run.

One thing that I notice has not transferred over correctly is the Forums section of the site. I am going to have to look into that and see how I can bring that back online.

Please let me know if you find other things that don’t seem to be working right.

I’m now hosting with a company that will allow me to grow as the need arises — something I could not do with the previous host. So hopefully we won’t have to go through this again, at least for a long time.

Thanks for your patience, and I apologize for any frustration or inconvenience this may have caused anyone.

• GreenWin

Congratulations on a new server Frank. Very Mayan in timing. As the sage said to the doomsayers, “Oh well, it’s not the end of the world.”

• GreenWin

Is it my browser or have we lost the edit function??

Hi GW,

I disabled edit as it was causing problems following the server upgrade. I am going to try a different way to edit. Sorry, but it is just one of those things I haven’t got round to investigating yet. Soon I hope — holidays will give me a bit more time.

• Fibber McGourlick

I think we’ve reached a point in the advance of LENR where it would be useful for someone to start collecting all the negative comments of the LENR naysayers (and articles by them), from the time of Pons and Fleischmann to the present. These exhibits could occupy “the corner of infamy” in the LENR museum that will be erected in the not-too-distant future, when the transformational truth of the Cold Fusion phenomena becomes clear to all the world. Let none of naysayers escape from the recognition that’s due them for their ignorance and mindless lack of curiosity. It could provide a valuable lesson for future generations.

Merry Christmas all.

• Omega Z

This may be something News worthy.

A year ago Rossi went to Massachusetts. Visited with Bruce Tarr, MIT, University of Massachusetts among others. They discussed E-cat Manufacturing in the Area.

It would appear that Rossi is in New Bedford, Massachusetts now. Dec. 22nd.
I would say that this is a Hop, Skip & a Jump from Multiple Universities.
But it’s just a Skip away from UMASS.

• Fibb

I don’t want to complain but the way the comments are nested, it’s hard to find new comments… or am I doing it wrong? On other sites, where all the comments are in chronological order, it’s much easier to follow a discussion. Is that an option? I know it requires more use of quotes but it is way easier to find new comments as they are always at the end of the thread.

• Iggy Dalrymple

I like the comments the way you have them now, newest on top.

• Iggy Dalrymple

Have we lost the 4 minute edit/delete option?

For the time being, yes, Iggy. There was some problem with it after I moved to the new server. It’s something I want to bring back when I can get it to work.

• georgehants

EGO OUT
Saturday, December 22, 2012
A HYBRID APPROACH FOR SOLVING THE LENR PROBLEMS.
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.nl/2012/12/a-hybrid-approach-for-solving-lenr.html

• georgehants

Andrea Rossi
December 22nd, 2012 at 8:49 AM
Frank Acland
December 22nd, 2012 at 8:24 AM
Dear Andrea,
If the peer reviewers do not approve the report, will the report be published anywhere else — maybe here in the JONP?
Best wishes,
—-
Frank Acland
Dear Frank Acland:
If the magazine peer reviewing will be negative, the report will be put on Arxive.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

• Jacob

Merry New website.

• Zaghlool

Merry Christmas every one.
Christ- Mass
Mass = liturgy

• artefact

From June 2012
Cold Fusion Reactions by Renzo Mondaini

Interesting at 22:15 till the end.

• Peter_Roe

I somehow managed to post (twice!) to a ‘ghost’ of the lost thread, before clearing my browser cache and finding it had been replaced many hours ago!(duhh) The new lightspeed version is impressive – well done, Frank.

It doesn’t seem likely that there will be any significant developments between now and the new year. In the meantime I wish everyone a very

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and a Happy New Year.

• Methusela

Thank you, and the same to you also

• timycelyn

Have a good one, Peter!

• artefact

I hope we will see some pics at least…

same to you and everyone else.

• Martin

Merry Christmas all, lets hope for great progress next year

• Jacob

Merry Christmas & Blessed New year with the E-Cat’s advanced developments.

• georgehants

Return the wish Peter and the same to everybody in the World.
Hopefully before to long you can write in the same big letters about a certain breakthrough.

• clovis

hi, guys and gals.
I like this from SVT video.

The usual nuclear power where nuclei are split has known side effects as radiation, dangerous waste

and risk of nuclear meltdown. In normal nuclear power the nuclei are split but in fusion they are merged.

The problem is here that nuclei are positively charged and do not like to be too close to each other.

By heavily increased temperature the nuclei are forced to move faster and merge but this requires millions

of temperature degrees.

In the theory on cold fusion from nobel price winner Julian Schwinger the extreme temperature increase is

not needed. Instead if the Hydrogen nuclei are pressed into a metal gitter e.g. made by Ni the distance could be short enough to start a merge process.

• clovis

although i don’t know what really is happening, this seen reasonable,
And seem to be what is happening, i would have to ask Dr. Rossi but it just seems to me that plasma use is still trying to split the atom not merge them, any comments, anyone.

• clovis

F.A. Gareev, I.E. Zhidkova
(Submitted on 30 Sep 2006 (v1), last revised 15 Nov 2006 (this version, v2))
We come to the conclusion that all atomic models based on either the Newton equation and the Kepler laws, or the Maxwell equations, or the Schrodinger and Dirac equations are in reasonable agreement with experimental data. We can only suspect that these equations are grounded on the same fundamental principle(s) which is (are) not known or these equations can be transformed into each other. We proposed a new mechanism of LENR: cooperative processes in the whole system – nuclei+atoms+condensed matter – nuclear reactions in plasma – can occur at smaller threshold energies than the corresponding ones on free constituents. We were able to quantize phenomenologically the first time the differences between atomic and nuclear rest masses by the formula (in MeV/$c^{2}$) $\Delta M=\frac{n_{1}}{n_{2}}*0.0076294, n_{i}=1,2,3,…$ Note that this quantization rule is justified for atoms and nuclei with different $A, N$ and $Z$ and the nuclei and atoms represent a coherent synchronized systems – a complex of coupled oscillators (resonators). The cooperative resonance synchronization mechanisms are responsible for explanation of how the electron volt world can influence the nuclear mega electron volt world. It means that we created new possibilities for inducing and controlling nuclear reactions by atomic processes.

• Felis Fervens

New load time is good. Thanks.

Every day I visit hoping, “Okay, today will be the day we get irrefutable proof.”

Wondering if anyone can supply a link to Rossi’s public Q&A?
Used to read it at ecatplanet.net but “This Account Has Been Suspended.”
Q&A no longer found at the bottom of journal-of-nuclear-physics.com either.

• Tester

Test

• Chris

It works better now and there was a need for it. No doubt it had been heavy lately.

But gee that was an early backup! If I had only known, I would have quit posting when it was no use…

• clovis

Hi, Frank,
Big thanks my friend, everything looks nice, and fast as well.

• georgehants

From Ars Technica
Why it’s critical we cover so-called “controversial” science
Facts are not controversial, but unfortunately cause controversy.
by Ken Fisher – Dec 21 2012, 6:15pm GMTST
Ars Technica has never been afraid to cover so-called “controversial” issues in science and culture. Here is why we routinely cover them—and why we reject calls for us to be silent on such issues.
I put “controversial” in quotes for a reason. Many of the topics that are supposedly controversial are not really contentious at all among people who are properly informed and rely on a scientific understanding of the physical world around us. However, due to the fact that scientific literacy is sadly lacking on this great planet of ours, “controversy” emerges when individuals, groups, societies, and nations are forced to confront their nonscientific worldviews with the findings of science. Of course, skepticism is a healthy and powerful thing. But skepticism in the face of overwhelming evidence is not healthy, so long as you remember what the word “overwhelming” means. And facts themselves are not controversial.
Through the years I have received countless e-mails and have read hundreds of article comments imploring Ars to keep “political” stuff off the site. Such entreaties most commonly occur in relation to our scientific coverage of climate change or evolution, but also when we cover biological and anthropological matters of gender and sex. (They also come to a lesser extent when we cover the inherently political world of intellectual property, where, coincidentally, there are far fewer facts—but that’s outside the scope of this editorial.)
What those petitioners do not realize is that in asking us to be silent, they require that we take a politicized stance. Intentional silence is support for the status quo, and as such, it’s inherently political. Note that I’m speaking of intentional silence or avoidance, purposely not covering a topic so as not to bring light to it. Inasmuch as our editorial mission is, in part, to cover the issues relating to science and technology that are most challenging to our culture, it is unthinkable for us not to cover these issues. To reiterate, not covering them would be just as “political” as covering them.
Furthermore, I reject the notion that reporting scientific truth and endeavors can ever be a form of “trolling” or “click bait.” The purpose of such reporting is to educate and inform, and in some cases, to help understand. The fact that so many misinformed (and quite often willingly misinforming) readers react negatively to such coverage only underscores the need for this kind of reporting.
http://arstechnica.com/staff/2012/12/why-its-critical-we-cover-so-called-controversial-science/

• Gerrit

I have difficulty understanding what Ken Fisher from Ars Technica is trying to say.

Is he justifying that Ars Technica writes stories about controversial topics ?

They haven’t written about cold fusion or lenr in the last year, that is google couldn’t find anything.

• http://www.we-cat.com John Bull

Thanks a lot for your hard work and perseverance. You got yourself (and your audience a great site.

John Bull

• georgehants

Admin, trying to post comment and relieving message below.
Spam Free WordPress could not retrieve the password from the server.

Thanks, George

Finding a few issues here and there.

• georgehants

Admin, I agree that losing everybody else’s comments from the 18th forward is no loss, but to lose mine is a terrible tragedy.
I really feel that a great effort should go ahead to reinstate my Wonderful posts or humanity will have suffered a great loss. Ha.

• b4FreeEnergy

• clovis

George, hi
We all appteaite your wonderful post’s, i know i find very informative and entertaining, big thank to you as well, and merry Christmas or happy holidays which ever apply s,big, smile

• georgehants

clovis, many thanks, it is a funny old World, wish you and everybody only the best.
Peace, Peace, Peace.

• Sandy

Frank, your new servers send pages to me very quickly. Thanks for the snappy service.

• Omega Z

Going OT

Something I Find Very Disturbing. TransOS.

They want to turn your Computer into nothing more then a Terminal. Everything will be controlled by TPTB. All your Software. All your DATA.

It will be promoted as a convenience. I fear the Masses will fall for it. Note that this Cloud OS is being developed by CHINA.

Combined with the Recent Samsung TV with Built-in Camera & Mic. You know, the one that has voice recognition. The one you can tell it to turn off & supposedly it’s off. But turns back on by voice command, which means it isn’t actually off.

The Recently patented Verizon TV set top control box similar to the Samsung system, but is Always on Real Time. So they can monitor what your doing or saying to target Advertising according to what your doing. Guess that means no more TV in the Bedroom. I assume all these will be built in China.

The Movie 1984 is staring to look a little lame compared to reality.
Isn’t there a saying to the effect when someone claims their trying to improve things for society, their real intent is to control society.

Sorry off topic, But this is Frank(Admin) & georgehants Fault.
Stumbled across the TransOS through 1 of Georges links.
Frank because ECW was down. Left me with some Idle time to kill. LOL

• georgehants

Ha, Omega thats exactly how my wife looks at things.

• daniel maris

Yes – we are in 1984 Plus territory.

On the more positive side, there is all the off grid stuff happening that is potentially making people more self-sufficient. If LENR is for real, you’ll probably be able to grow all the food your family needs in a pretty small home, and you’ll be able to draw the water from the air around you – no need to pay anything to a water company.

Robotics can go either way perhaps. If we develop robotics wisely, that will also increase the self-sufficiency of the average household. Especially when you factor in 3D printing manufacture (for replacement of parts).

• Peter_Roe

Many of these things seem to be traps for the unwary – knowledge is definitely power when it comes to avoiding them. That’s why TPTP are trying to make various vaccinations mandatory in the US – too many people know about the downside and doubt the claimed upside. Next will come intramuscular RFID chips (like the ones they put in dogs) to make shopping and entertainment ‘more convenient’.

• Omega Z

All who frequent here are aware of the Swedes test (Hydro Fusion) controversy in Oct.. Since then things have been silent.. Whats the status of the situation.

We’re told the SVT Video Interview with Magnus Holm was taped after this controversy. Here’s something else that appears telling. On Rossi’s JONP site.

Considering the SVT show was fairly represented along with the info at hand, It would appear that Magnus hasn’t walked away from Rossi having a possibly working product.
————————————-
Magnus Holm December 21st, 2012 at 4:06 AM

Below is a new source of the Swedish Transmission with English Subtitles.

Best Regards,
Magnus
Hydro Fusion
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Andrea Rossi December 21st, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Dear Magnus Holm:
Thank you, is a useful document.
Warm Regards,

• Pweet

I would assume if they are licensees, they would have put some money in up front.
Locically they would hang around for as long as it takes to be sure they will not get anything back on it.
They all will.
What else can they do?

• Omega Z

It was stated eons ago, that Licensee fees would be held in escrow until Rossi delivered a working product to them or their customer. Not having the details, It could be selling units to the Military could free this money to Rossi if verified to the Licensee. Maybe not. It’s all in the details of the individual license agreement.

You are right tho. The Licensees do have a financial stake regardless. A Vested interest. Trips to Italy from wherever would be out of pocket. Travel, hotels, meals, Etc. I doubt that would be cheap. They would also be out any expense for Expert consultant fees & their travel expenses also. This all adds up, & would all be out of pocket. Most or all would be non-recoverable should Rossi Not deliver. This is standard business practice.

That brings us to the V.C. investors. Those who bought into Leonardo. Those who are nameless. These would be people with deep pockets And contrary to what most people believe, Most of them don’t get involved with extreme long-shots anymore. They mostly require something proven to be nearly ready for market. They bring in their own experts to check it out. And should it not work out, Well, that’s the business their in. Their also not the kind of people you would knowingly try to scam. Accidents happen everyday.

• Owen

I think you’re right. Most VCs would not invest lots of money in high risk, unproven concepts. Leonardo investors almost certainly have a thorough understanding of what’s going on. Most of us are not financially invested in LENR and so it’s easy to overlook this important fact.

• timycelyn

Troll somewhere else, (ECN would be favourite) sonny….

• Renzo

So the early published report signed by eng. Penon is always to be ignored under the rug. But if we get to know about a failed test without any names, data or written report, it is 100% proof the hotcat doesn’t work. If Rossi tells his version of what happened it must be implausible and cannot be trusted, never.
Then we get to know the parts did reconcile but of course it only proves the licensee is hanging around for as long as possible.

I like the easy life of pseudo-skepticism, it always wins!

• Torbjörn

I saved my latest post, it seemed to be popular. Here it is again:

An excerpt from Mats Lewans conclusion:
“The self sustained mode that went on for over three hours, also seemed
extremely stable and showed no measurable sign of weakening.
It can also be noted that after three and a half hours of self sustained operation water could still be felt boiling inside, putting a hand on top of the insulated casing. The surface temperature of the insulation was then between 60 and 85 degrees centigrade, meaning that a significant heat loss must have decreased the power output through the steam and the heat exchanger.”
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3284962.ece/BINARY/Test+of+E-cat+October+6+%28pdf%29

An excerpt from David Robersons conclusion:
“An attempt to accurately estimate the ECAT power output requires that we include the leakage water escaping from the device seals which is reported to be 2 liters/hour. The final estimated output power
is (.728 grams/second x 4.188 joules/gram-C x (116.6 C – 23.8 C) + .182 grams/second x 2260 joules/gram = 691.85 watts) for the normal path through the heat exchanger and (.55555 grams/second x 4.188 joules/gram-C x (116.6 C-23.8 C) = 215.9 watts) by escaping the enclosure. The total of these two power output sources is 691.85 watts + 215.9 watts = 907.75 watts.
The core device of the ECAT is also supplying heat to the outside surface of its container. It is reported that these surfaces are quite hot to the touch. Someone should calculate the power lost through this mechanism which can then be added to the core performance. An estimate of 500 watts for this effect is a good beginning until it can be calculated with precision.”
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3365746.ece/BINARY/3+part+analysis+Ecat+Oct+6+by+Roberson.pdf

An excerpt from Robert J. (Bob) Higgins conclusion:
“However, despite the test’s flaws (and considering the integrity of those involved), the data suggests that substantial excess energy (as heat) was produced. Nominal case analysis of the 9.5 hour test indicates 34kWh of cumulative heat produced while consuming 9kWh of cumulative input electrical energy. Most output heat was produced in the final 4 hours of self-sustaining reaction, during which the input was ~125W and heat output rate was above 5kW. http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3295471.ece/BINARY/Analysis+Ecat+Oct+6+by+Bob+Higgins+%28pdf%29

An excerpt from Jed Rothwells conclusion:
“Without energy generation, with tap water being pumped in, the temperature would have fallen to room temperature within an hour. This was clearly show by the rapid temperature decline when the anomalous power stopped.”
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3295498.ece/BINARY/Conclusion+Ecat+Oct+6+by+Jed+Rothwell+%28pdf%29

• Kimball

Let me be the first to say “Welcome back”.

Thanks! Although it didn’t feel like I was away that long

• Gérard2012

Hello Franck,

You have a great energy and it is worthy of cold fusion.

I tell you that I, too, will change, but it will be less complicated and require much less work …

Gérard2012 will become Gérard2013

Merry christmas to all parties

in french

Bonjour Franck,

Vous avez une grande énergie et cela est digne de la fusion froide. je vous annonce que moi aussi, je vais changer, mais cela sera moins compliqué et demandera beaucoup moins de travail…

Gérard2012 va devenir Gérard2013

Joyeuse fêtes de noël a tous

• matt s

New server is much faster, pages load more snappy..