Celani Announces 3rd Party Replication

Francesco Celani has sent a letter to 22Passi.blogspot.com announcing a successful 3rd party replication of his LENR system, which apparently has been improved since he did the demonstration at NI Week in Texas earlier this year. A translation of his letter has been posted on the vortex-l and reads as follows:

Dear Colleagues,

as requested, I am attaching a copy of the 2 slides about the first INDEPENDENT
replication of thermal anomalies using nano-Constantan wires, according to our
procedures regarding the preparation of the material.
The experiments were carried out in complete autonomy, by researchers (experts)
affiliated to a major international industry.

Please note the following:

– The reactor used is COMPLETELY different from the one we developed and used.
As a result, the probability of a systematic error in the measurements has
become highly unlikely;
– Calorimetric measurements [were performed] and are not only thermometric (as
used by us, in the specific case);
– They used only 20 cm of wire, ie a fifth of that used by us;
– The wire used is a “base”, type 2L, ie with only TWO layers of nanomaterial.
Usually use wires with 200-700 layers.
– Regarding the thermal anomalies, they begin with temperatures higher than
those typically found with wires of 200-700 layers. The magnitude ​​of the
anomalies, normalized to a standard [wire] length, is approximately half of
those seen with the wires from 200-700 layers.

The “mechanical” robustness of the wires seems to be unchanged.
Apart from my brief preview, the data SHOULD be presented and thoroughly
discussed before December 15, by the authors of the measurements.

Thanks for your attention,
Francesco CELANI

The two slides mentioned by Celani are available here and show the company that carried out the tests is STMicrolectronics, a French-Italian electronics manufacturer based in Geneva, Switzerland.

http://i.imgur.com/yA7HS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cOTvo.jpg

The second slide shows excess heat produced by the system of up to 1.16 Watts at temperatures of 350 C (No input power data is provided)

Bob Greenyer of the MFMP has now commented about this replication, saying that his team had knowledge about this replication, but were not authorized to make it public. He writes:

Since this is outed into a public forum by Celani in a way that has allowed redactions to be removed we are probably not bound by our agreement to keep the knowledge private.

We have been aware of this successful replication of Celani’s version of the New Fire by a 3rd party for several weeks. Knowledge of the findings was meant to be embargoed until the middle of this month.

This is an important step in this journey to light the New Fire and has been a great encouragement to our own efforts.

We look forward to the publication of the research and data being brought forward.

  • georgehants

    This is where the future lies —
    Physicists extend entanglement in Einstein experiment
    (Phys.org)—Using a photon fission process, physicists have split a single photon into a pair of daughter photons and then split one of the daughter photons into a pair of granddaughters to create a total of three photons. All three photons, the scientists showed, share quantum correlations between their energies (corresponding to their momentums) and between their emission times (corresponding to their positions). The study marks the first experimental demonstration of energy-time entanglement of three or more individual particles, building on the original two-particle version proposed by Einstein, Podolsky, and Rosen (EPR) 77 years ago.
    Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-12-physicists-entanglement-einstein.html#jCp

    • GreenWin

      EPR demonstrates how we can travel great distances instantly. And how in spite of light years apart – particles (energy=matter) changed at one location instantly are mirrored in the distant location. i.e. distance, time, measured in light speed – has little or no meaning at the quantum level.

      While “space ships” are a quaint component of Newtonian physics – they are an antiquated means of transport.

      • warp

        There is no transportation involved, only transcription.
        A read-write process on the hard-drive of the universe.

  • Geoff
    • Peter_Roe

      From the transmutations detected it would seem that elements are no more the ‘building blocks of matter’ than chemical compounds are. Interesting that there is no Ni to Cu transmutation – that must occur through a different pathway.

      Disclosure of LENR is beginning to go geometric.

      • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

        This experiment would not do Ni to Cu as it uses Deuterium.

        • Peter_Roe

          Right – Ni to Zn then, unless decay of unstable isotopes complicate the ‘chains’.

      • http://www.buildecat.com LCD

        It would have to be a little harder than chemical compounds or else we’d all cease to exist.

      • warp

        >it would seem that elements are no more the ‘building blocks of matter’
        They never were: Quarks, Leptons, Bosons, and all their ilk, are the real building blocks.

    • Gerrit

      the pseudoskeptics and pathological deniers will:

      1) simply avoid to notice
      2) dismiss out of hand, because it _cannot be_, and argue that the observation must be caused by experimental errors / contamination
      3) deny any significance
      4) demand an independent replication (of the independent replication)
      5) wait for “Nature” and “Science” to tell them what to think of it

      • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

        These experiments have used highly refined non-naturally occurring quantities of specific isotopes as starting material that is then transmuted to a different element but the corresponding non-naturally occurring isotopes.

        This evidence is extremely hard to refute and can be tested over and over after the event to verify the isotopic content. This for me is the smoking gun that says LENR is completely real.

        Even if LENR could not create useful heat, would people consider converting W to Pt useful?

        LENR may have the ability to not only be one of the options that allows us to travel to the stars, but use what ever is there to make what ever we want to.

        • Peter_Roe

          All that is true, but Gerrit is talking about disinfo, which is independent of actual facts.

        • Gerrit

          yes, transmutations are the best way to show that there is something in the bush that mainstream science is not aware of.

          But does these current events have any impact on the science community ? Is there is anything going on behind the curtain ?

          As you say this experiment is hard to refute and easy to replicate. That should mean – BOOOM – science wakes up ! But nothing so far points to that actually happening, ie science taking note.

          • Peter_Roe

            I think there is probably frantic activity ‘behind the curtain’, but a lot of it will be in military labs and will probably end up classified ‘top secret’, and most of the rest will be in corporate labs and will be classified ‘commercial in confidence’. The 10% that remains we may hear about in a year or two.

    • Sanjeev

      Is it possible to get the slides/video of their presentation ? That site is pay-walled and is now useless.

  • Methusela

    http://www.defkalion-energy.com/

    Site down, new website being launched…

    • Visitor

      Strange, when you already have a website, why won’t you keep it on till the new one is ready?

      • John-xyz

        Because they would be too logical.

      • Pachu

        Maybe was too greek for a canadian supported investment.

  • Pedro

    Noble gas plasma engine to be runned at exhibition. Runs 18 months on 1 fill of gas.
    http://www.seri-worldwide.org/id839.html

    • catbauer24

      No, John Rohner won’t be showing any real engine. What in the world makes you think he will? He’s burned all of his manufacturers, not a single one can get the engines they are ‘manufacturing’ to run. He is as good a liar as they come. Rossi actually has credible people to vouch for him (even if only anecdotal), JR, NONE. JR should have been in prison by now with Madoff.

    • Peter_Roe

      On the off-chance that this is real and is actually run at the exhibition, then cold fusion will be instantly relegated to second place for small scale power needs. My guess is that it won’t appear for one ‘reason’ or another, and we still won’t know for sure whether it is real or not. If I’m wrong, then it will be an absolutely amazing development in the energy field.

    • Karl

      The Orlando event will be very interesting, indeed. I really hope they will be able make a real demonstration of the prototype 2 cylinder motor they claim release 300 hp – running 1.5 years without refilling of noble gases sounds amazing.

      If this turn out to be real and have reached the advanced stage by now, it might be a serious threat not only to existing power sources but also to a fierce competitor to Rossi, Piantelli, Focardi type of gas and metal powder lattice solution and other CF/LENR mainly producing heat.

      Since the Papp patent since long has run out it’s a question how strong Rohner patent is. Perhaps this solution could be kind of an open source for virtually anyone to grasp, industry as well as hobbyists and home owners producing power for vehicles and electricity for homes.

      I think we should take this announcement as serious at the E-Cat. It is based on the Papp solution which was demonstrated already 30-40 years ago. In the end, it may turn out that that it is both the success during the last century and limitation in the current theories of nuclear physics that lead science in a wrong direction.

      A more plausible theory than QM may be “Basic Structure of Matter Supergravitation Unified Theory” (BSM-SG), developed by Stoyan Sarg Sargoytchev. It not only gives a plausible explanation of cold fusion but also and explain the limitations in the classical QM which excludes the options that particles may have a denser non-spherical fine structure.

    • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

      Having followed this story for a very long time, I would really like this to be true, I wish them a successful event.

      In my opinion, the New Fire does not have to necessarily get hot – but it has to replace its function.

      Bring it on!

  • Joseph

    Just give us steam Andrea.
    http://www.greenturbine.eu/en/home.php

  • freethinker

    This is way off topic….

    Could the wanted man on Gary Wright’s site be Ubaldo Mastromatteo from STM, with whom Celani has been collaborating? Google “Ubaldo Mastromatteo” and get “images”.

    Now, I do not want to encourage anybody to visit Garys Wright’s hate site to give them any more visitor ticks than they deserve (which IMHO equals to zero), but there is some resemblance…

    • Renzo

      the wanted man is no mistery, he is Domenico Fioravanti and if you register on http://www.cobraf.com/ you can write him a message on the same forum where he leaked the hotcat photo last summer, I rather ask myself who Gary Wright is…

  • Peter_Roe

    Grid LENR power may be coming soon, but it seems that energy independence probably isn’t: “A Dundee man has been accused of “recklessly producing household electricity” with a bizarre home-made transformer.” (A rather strange report originating from the BBC).

    http://www.naturalnews.com/038209_electricity_generator_reckless_conduct.html

    It seems odd that no details of the alleged ‘generator’ are given, or of how the ‘authorities’ came to ‘discover’ the device in the first place. Even odder that the ‘device suspended by thin ropes’ was not apparently a generator, even though care was taken to state that there were cans of petrol and a car battery nearby, in order to create a case for prosecution. Googling this odd case doesn’t seem to throw up much more than copies of the BBC report.

    • Ged

      Bizarre. The UK is a police state, and it’s sad seeing that a person can get in trouble for generating electricity on their own private property, if that is what this is about? Sure hope such doesn’t come to us in the US. If mass adoption by the public occurs for devices like the E-cat, then I don’t think the populous would put up with such government shenanigans, and hopefully their stance on homemade electricity would be quickly changed.

      • Hal

        You will be in serious trouble by generating your own electricity without proper automatic disconnection from the grid.. Imagine a power worker trying to fix a power outage and the cables are still ‘live’ from an unknown source???? Alternatively you could find your personal supply being drawn on by 100+houses…?

        • http://www.buildecat.com LCD

          “”The Crown’s position is that [McKenzie] had this man-made assembly in his house suspended from the ceiling by thin ropes,” said fiscal deputy Laura Bruce to reporters. “There was a car battery and cans of petrol nearby,” she added.”

          .
          Bit stupid.

      • GreenWin

        Ah! the denier desperation grows. In other news… “The Crown named a team of Scotland Yard investigators to track down energy renegades wielding dangerous solar panels, wind turbines, Honda gensets, and automotive alternators. An unnamed Detective confirmed drivers of the popular Toyota Prius, were energy suspects due to their use of regenerative braking.”

        • John-xyz

          So much paranoia in this website.

          • Peter_Roe

            I’m not sure that Greenwin is 100% serious, John.

    • Jimr

      If he had high voltage lines running near his home he may have had some parallel lines to pick up voltage through transformer action. I have never seen it done but have heard it is possible, and illegal.

      • John-xyz

        This technique was used in WW2, Germany had a huge radio transmitter, which was used to send codes to soldiers in the field. People were using loops of wire to get electricity from the radio field, and destroying the radio signal behind them in the process. Probably killed when they were found out.

        Source: a UK Ham radio magazine from the 80’s.

        • Peter_Roe

          If there was a radio tower nearby then this would be a feasible explanation, as would drawing on the induction field from power lines. However there are laws in the UK to prevent power lines being too close to habitation, and the latter is unlikely.

          He would have needed a large wire antenna array feeding his ‘transformer’ (a diode bridge circuit) to get a DC output to charge his battery or batteries. He could then use an inverter to get enough power to drive a TV set or similar. The cans of petrol were probably thrown in to create an element of ‘danger’ to justify the prosecution.

          The setup would of course be silent, but I suppose it could have been detected by engineers looking for the cause of a ‘hole’ in the transmission field. Why this would have resulted in such an incomplete report and a strange prosecution is incomprehensible. It is already a crime to interfere with legal transmissions, and that would have been the appropriate charge.

          Of course it is possible that the council officials, reporters and police officers involved are all so technically ignorant that this stupid ‘charge’ had to be simply made up, in the absence of any understanding by anyone concerned of what was actually taking place. The movie ‘idi*t world’ comes to mind for some reason.

  • Neil Hambleton
  • GreenWin

    Lots of interesting new announcements as LENR public disclosure draws closer. When this happens there will be a flood of stories from corporate PR departments claiming they have been aware and working on this spectacular new form of energy for… well, for a while now. :)

    For Example, here is an article run just a year ago positioning Royal Dutch Shell as a serious player in the cold fusion game:

    “Royal Dutch Shell, one of the world’s largest energy companies, is seriously considering exploring low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) research as a possible game-changer in the energy business. Two of the company’s scientists, Anitha Sarkar and Gilles Buchs, with the backing of the Shell GameChanger program, are already looking for opportunities to work actively with LENR experts.” https://reportingtheworldover.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/royal-dutch-shell-looking-at-lenr-as-game-changer/

    It is ever-more amusing to watch the CF denialists squirm in light of the regular, continued announcements from corporate and government entities scrambling for a seat at the LENR table. This is positive in that the once-powerful academic technology gauntlet has been effectively muted.

    • Ged

      VERY interesting times ahead, my friend :D.

      Looks like this month is going to be fascinating. Also good to note that companies are highly secretive due to the constant threat of espionage. When they reveal something, it usually means they’ve been working on it for years and already advanced past what they reveal to prevent anyone from catching up.

      There’s a lot more behind the scenes than we know; but I think we’ve known that for a long while.

    • robyn wyrick

      GreenWin,

      As is so often the case, I find myself reading this site as much for your enormously helpful comments as for the news itself. Many thanks.

      Reading that Shell is “seriously considering exploring” makes me wonder about the other big players. Forbes ranks Shell #7 in the world, with about 4 million barrels a day.

      Talk about vested interest.

    • Peter_Roe

      Makes you wonder who is paying for all the maryyugos. It’s hard to imagine that all the more rabid naysayers are just strange people who have difficulty processing reality.

      • timycelyn

        Some are. Some will be Alec Guiness types horrified that ‘proper physics’ is in some way under attack (it’s not, more some of its acolytes have seriously shot themselves in the foot). Some are paid shills, MY being the most obvious.

        One way of telling is where they post. Posting here is pretty much trying to p*ss in the wind for these guys. But places like Forbes, and the other spots here the less informed are likely to congregate, are where you are more likely to find paid shills targeting their efforts.

        • Peter_Roe

          If big oil is planning to jump onto the CF bandwagon, my money would be on the nuclear industry to some extent, but mostly on the financial side of the ‘green’ industry (the Al Gore ‘cap and trade’ gravy train), which effectively means the banks.

          Politicians have been very keen to include nuclear fission as a ‘zero carbon’ generation system, alongside wind and solar, and the interests of both groups have been more or less inseparable for some time. LENR spells the end of both, and of the whole fake carbon trading and ‘offset’ rip-off.

        • Fibber McGourlick

          What did you mean by the term “Alec Guiness types”? The Alec Guiness known to the whole world was one of the greatest actors of all time. I don’t get the allusion.

          • Charles

            Actor! Get it? Actor.

            • Fibber McGourlick

              I might have got it if you’d said “would be” instead of “will be”. Cheers. F.

          • Peter_Roe

            Guiness often portrayed stiff, unimaginative establishment characters intent on upholding the status quo.

          • timycelyn

            Sorry, I was referring to his portrayal of the British Officer in ‘Bridge on the River Kwai’. Re-reading this morning I realized I thought it, rather than typed it!

            Mea culpa…

            • Peter_Roe

              Bad guess on my part!

  • andreiko

    Swarm 1cellige HOT-CAT torpedoes, this can become a reality Ocean over stitches!Why am I writing this? BECAUSE there is a huge military is important to the invention of the NEW FIRE to develop as quickly as possible in all imaginable applications, none of the great powers will want to stay behind.On development speed, we need to worry.

    • Andreiko

      Zwerm 1cellige HOT-CAT torpedo`s steken OCEAAN over,dit kan realiteit worden!Waarom schrijf ik dit? OMDAT er een enorm militair belang is om de uitvinding van HET NIEUWE VUUR zo snel als mogelijk te ontwikkelen in alle denkbare toepassingen, niemand van de grootmachten zal willen achterblijven.Over de ontwikkelings snelheid hoeven wij ons geen zorgen te maken.

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        Steamboat with barely any moving parts.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-M9KUbxxfk

        • Peter_Roe

          It might need some development before it can be used to propel a container ship – but I’m sure that is just an engineering issue!

  • Chris

    Gosh that must have been a slip! They have altered the slides! Lucky those copies were saved!

    The page bottoms now say just “Big International Company” and there is “XYZ” instead of their logo up to the right.

    • Chris

      Hello Chris, we appear to be sharing a name :)

      This could get confusing

      • Ged

        My head is already spinning!

  • georgehants

    Andrea Rossi
    December 6th, 2012 at 7:55 AM
    Dear Rosemary Ainslie:
    We are on our way to respect the scheduling we already anticipated.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • clovis

      Hi, u’all.
      Word scramble,– we have already anticipated that and are well on our way in respect to scheduling.

      smile

  • georgehants

    We seem to have scientists and researchers working on one of the possibly most important breakthroughs in history all being funded by almost charity.
    At the same time NASA has spent 2.5 billion sending a toy to Mars that apparently would not be able to detect life if it bumped into an elephant.
    They are now saying they will spend another 1.5 billion to send another similar toy there.
    Would I be wrong to suggest that something is not quiet right in the science administration.
    MFMP may just appreciate NASA donating one days coffee allowance to their project.

    • Gérard2012

      The truth is very close, today is already tomorrow!

    • GreenWin

      George, we are seeing first hand the humiliation of mainstream science. As they cannot erase their denial of CF over the last 23 years their PR department is working overtime to damage control failures. A toy robot on Mars will not convince the human race that NASA’s priorities have been in the public interest.

      Breakthrough energy uplifting all mankind – or pictures from a dead planet?

      • Peter_Roe

        Mmmm – tricky one…

        But I think NASA is more or less just an observer in the CF story – or at the very best (if they so choose) an ‘enabler’.

        • GreenWin

          Peter, so as to not sound overly grinch-like, I, like many here, am enamored of NASA’s unmanned projects – including especially all the Mars landers.

          Minimally these programs remind human beings of their rather diminished place in the solar system. And the potential that we are not now and may never have been alone.

          Had the engineering expertise at JPL been directed to CF back at the time of F&P – we would be much further along. And may never have needed Ing Rossi!

        • GreenWin

          Further, for our NASA friends (we have a few still) – we would like to see the rather bold mission to Europa gain purchase. The idea is to send a probe out to the Jupiter moon and drop a submarine through the ice!

          The technology challenges this mission would bring might just excite a whole new generation of NASA “imagineers.”

          http://www.space.com/14997-jupiter-europa-ocean-submarine-robot.html

    • daniel maris

      They should be sending people. They’d get an answer in about two hours. :)

      • freethinker

        My sentiment precisely. It would be a high risk project for the participants, but no doubt would they be able to find a handful of daredevils that would jump on this chance to become “immortal”.

        U want to impress us, send manned expeditions.

        Maybe they can be LENR powered soon … ;)

    • clovis

      Hey, everyone,
      Hi, George I must say I am a very big fan of space exploration, and have followed NASA and ESA’s every move, I love this stuff, it is a very exciting field and I will not speak ill of it, but I will say, it should be cut back to the bare bone, until america gets her feet back under her, the exploration of space is one of our grand ideas, that needs and should be resumed , because it is what we do as a human race,explore the unknown,
      just my 2 cents.–Clovis

      • georgehants

        Hi clovis I agree, watching the Moon landings live was still one of the great events in life.
        All science is Wonderful if handled with common sense and care for everybody, but the corruption and distortion is now so common that drug company’s for example run amok over governments and regulatory bodies alike.
        Most scientists are programmed to deny everything outside of the crazy religious teachings of those in authority, who do not work for the good of the World but personal gain and false prestige.
        Fear of the Truth must end and every scientist has a responsibility for the current situation where Cold Fusion among many other important advances are denied and debunked as a matter of scientific policy.

    • Omega Z

      George

      Government Sponsored Research involves Limited available Funding.

      There are 2 primary forces involved with NASA.
      Those who want a Direct Human involvement in Space.
      Those who only want to send Probes into Space.

      Guess which Group is in Charge at the Moment?
      Which Group is being Suppressed?
      – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

      There are 2 Groups of Scientist involved with Fusion.
      Those working with Hot Fusion.
      Those working with Cold Fusion.

      Guess which Group is in Charge at the Moment?
      Which Group is being Suppressed?
      – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

      Direct Human Involvement at NASA is moving to Private development. Space X Etc…
      These Private developments will grow. They will become independently profitable & far surpass what NASA has accomplished. This is what the People want.
      NASA’s budget will begin to shrink & become but a Shadow of it’s former self.

      Those Few involved with Cold Fusion will be developed by the Private sector. These Private developments will grow. It will become independently profitable & far surpass what Hot Fusion has accomplished. This is what the People want.
      Cold Fusions budget will begin to shrink & become but a Shadow of it’s former self.

      I’m aware of how some feel about Capitalism & Profit motivated system so I Add this.

      A Capitalist/Profit motivated system with all it’s thorns allows anyone Innovative enough & Driven enough to get into the Game. Providing what the people want & Eventually at a cost Nearly Everyone can afford. A Game Changer.

      A Government controlled Entity will provide Only What They Think people need at a minimum & at a Cost that even the Whole can not afford. All while maintaining the Status quo. No New Players Allowed.

      Many/Most things we enjoy in life was provided by the Capitalist/Profit motive system. Even with it’s Thorns.

      A Specific item I’ll point out would be the Internet. We all know that Darpa, Cern, the Government, & Even Al Gore try to take Credit for it.

      Truth is, The Internet was coming anyway. Individuals were already linking up at the Local level & trying to work out the Logistics for National & International connections.

      The Government was very aware of this & Jumped in at the Last moment to speed it up & took the Credit. Also the Ultimate Control. The Ability to shut it down if they so choose at anytime. Not an Easy task had they let the Private sector do it all.

      Pay attention to the bits of info in the Shadows. NASA, DARPA, NRL, & a few other Entities low key involvement. We all think this is a Good Thing. When LENR becomes a Major Public debut, They will be there. Taking credit & Control.

      There will be some shake ups. Some new players. But for the Most part, the Governments will maintain Most of the Status Quo.

      Capitalism & Profit aren’t the Problem. The Power Hungry People that try to use & Manipulate it to control us are the problem. Remove it & they’ll just find a new way to accomplish this. Always have, Always will.

      • georgehants

        Omega Z, morning, I agree with everything you say, problem is that when a subject like profit and motivation arises then it is clearly wide and large with many sides and angles.
        I then try to reduce a problem to basics.
        If production stayed the same today, then only the number of people actually producing and running services etc are needed to maintain the status quo.
        Therefore every worker is wasting their time being employed in money, finance etc etc, remove all finance and in the U.K. (guess) about 10 million would be out of work.
        By sharing the needed work, the working life would be reduced for everyone who could then retire at say aged 50.
        There would be no mortgages, no bills, just a system whereby everybody has a basic living standard and those who put in more are rewarded more.
        I understand all the problems but one must start somewhere.
        The only work “needed” to be done is production and services to maintain a fair life style for all.

  • Chris

    This is great news!

    At this point STM might be the enterprise that Celani referred to as his funding provider that still preferred not to be named. This would make them not independent though.

    In any case, STM is an important company and is part of the FTSE-MIB index on the Milan stock exchange. No doubt can be raised about their credibility. Presumably they will be working on methodology to get the microscopic stuff done at industrial scales, with their experience in VSLI photolithography stuff.

    N. B. this ain’t the other Chris that has commented this news item, I’m the one in Padova that usually busts folks’ arses around here. :-D

  • AB

    STMicroelectronics isn’t new to the cold fusion world. It’s one of those companies that keeps an eye on the technology and sends a person to various cold fusion conferences.

    • Sanjeev

      STMicroelectronics is a sister of SGS Thompson who issued a safety certificate to Rossi.

      So we can blindly conclude that they are into LENR totally and seriously. They probably know a lot more. May be there are others working silently behind the curtains.

      STMirco is into VLSI fabrication, I hope they design a process to accurately produce nanometer sized structures of Nickle in tons of quantities in a very short time. Obviously, it will have huge implications. We will know about their plans soon hopefully.

      • Gerrit

        no, that’s not true.

        SGS – Société Générale de Surveillance – the certifying company – is based in Switzerland and has no ties with

        the old SGS – Società Generale Semiconduttori – a semiconductor company – which was an italian company before they merged with Thomson from France to become SGS-Thomson and renamed to STM.

        • Sanjeev

          Thanks for the correction.

      • AlainCo

        For link with SGS Thomson, I dunno…

        they have show interest in LENR since sometime, at least at Sienna ICMNS Workshop #10…
        http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=933#p3196
        read that post, and see that they have an innovation spinoff,
        http://stnewventures.com/team.html
        like DGT said about Shell (and look at some names in the participants, check on linked-in for their CV)

        … you can now safely connect the dots.

    • GreenWin

      German press “The Intelligence” reports on imminent public disclosures re LENR:

      http://bit.ly/WKrbdF

      • Peter_Roe

        Good find GW – an excellent and well researched article, even if the ‘Googlish’ is a bit obscure in places. I wish I could have been a German-speaker present at the Frankfurt congress – it sounds like my kind of gig (apart from being in Frankfurt).

        Moderated – perhaps the AI doesn’t like the word ‘Frankfurt’. Perfectly understandable – the place is not exactly a city of golden domes and gleaming spires. Or indeed of any architectural merit at all.

      • Peter_Roe

        Good find GW – an excellent and well researched article, even if the ‘Googlish’ is a bit obscure in places. I wish I could have been a German-speaker present at the Frankfurt congress – it sounds like my kind of gig.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    I would think Rossi is contacting his “third party” and burning their ears for their report.

  • Chris

    :D

    with national instruments and now ST in his team I don’t think there is any doubting that celani has something big. And if its as scale able as bob thinks/hopes we are in for some interesting times.

    • http://www.american-reporter.com Joe Shea

      So far, presuming that the bad measurements have actually been addressed, he actually has something very small. There is no indication this device is scalable, and it will obviously be years before he catches up with the 1mW Rossi Hot Cat. I think this whole business is a huge distraction from where our interest ought to be – on Leonardo Corp.

      • Claes

        Well, you always have to multiply Rossi’s effect by 1 minus the probability that he’s just making measurement mistakes and really is scaling up a COP 1 unit. It’s easy to scale up a sauna…

        Of course you need to do the same with Celani, but he seems to be, shall we say, a bit more cooperative and forthcoming than Rossi is.

        I’m not saying that puts Rossi at 0, but it means that until such time that there is a validation that can be trusted, his big advantage is not that big.

        It would be great if Rossi turns out to have what he has – I’d just love it in fact. But I just can’t pretend that I know that he does.

      • Redford

        Indeed, but that level of 3rd party backup is lacking on Rossi’s side, and Celani is showing here a path Rossi could have followed and didn’t.

        Rossi aside, Celani is providing a high level LENR proof. This is of course very, very important.

        • Chris

          And by very important you of course mean “Big” ? ;)

      • Gérard2012

        Mr. Celani gives scientific validity has AR.

        It gives scientific credibility to HotCAT, ecat, and the whole team.

    • http://www.lenrforum.eu AlainCo

      Celani worked with Kresenn, Chauvin, and prepare bigger…

  • Don Witcher

    My guess is that STM is a lot more interested in LENR because of the implications for microelectronics and biological processes than they are interested in LENR for the production of heat. I suspect some very interesting words go with the two slides about the spectrographic analysis. I think the game is going to expand.

    • Peter_Roe

      As it must. This is a whole new branch of physics and electrochemistry that just awaits the inevitable ‘Planckian’ process before it begins to yield advances across the spectrum. In this case the process might be rather accelerated by early retirements when some of the power coming from lab wall sockets is produced by ‘impossible’ devices mundanely chugging away at the local power station!

      “Science advances one funeral at a time.” and “A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die.”

      — Max Planck

  • Vikes

    I really thought Rossi would come out with 3rd party before Celani. From what it sounds like Celani is a great guy so I’m happy for him..

  • freethinker

    I posted in the previous thread, and feel it may belong here.

    Check http://bit.ly/Uf2XGo (using bitly as the link is in excess long) It is a progress report of kinds from 2008.

    Celani has made work of Palladium and Deuterium earlier (NANOPAD) and indicate STM as external collaborator, helping in preparing the materials. But he also in that paper talks about a non-disclosed big Italian R&D company doing reproducibility tests.

    I conjecture that it was ok to say that they prepared some materials, but maybe the wanted the lock on that they assisted in reproducing.

    The fact that Bob Greenyer confirm is all I need. This is all great news.
    Time to break out the bubbly….

  • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

    I posted this on a previous blog entry – but it is more relevant here…

    We can confirm that we have been aware of these findings for several weeks but were restricted from wide discussion by the originating parties. It is now in a public forum.

    We are looking forward to the full disclosure which was scheduled for the middle of the month.

    Despite knowing these results, we still publish and analyse our own findings.

    Keep checking the site for more information on this and related information.

    Oh – and if you think the Excess heat is not meaningful – do this sum for a kilo of active wire

    (1000/0.055)*1.16W

    And this is just thermally triggered. Could other stimulation drive it harder?

    Oh, and we have 2 layer wire to test!

    • Chris

      Hi Bob, Good luck with your continued experiments, the more replications the better!

      Is this like the early experiments into nuclear fission reactors? And once we have a working proven energy output it will be very easy to scale up?

      • http://www.quantumheat.org/ Bob Greenyer

        We hope so. We have more, very important commentary on our findings to blog soon.

        If we can replicate fully also, then we will be able, via a successful kickstarter to get this into labs all over the world so that they may find the parameters that really push this tech to the limit.

        We have been encouraged by this research for some weeks now.

        • Bernie Koppenhofer

          Bob Greenyer….Great work, I applaud your desire to get this out into the general scientific community.

        • robyn wyrick

          Bob,

          I was a bit let down after Nov 30 passed without an announcement from Rossi’s 3rd party.

          Thanks for bolstering my spirits. You, your team, and of course, Celani, have really helped push this along.

    • Kim G. Patterson

      30kw

      • Ivan_cev

        21.090 KW

      • NJT

        Kim has miscalculated…

        It is 21.09 Killowatts

      • Kim G. Patterson

        sorry 21.090

        i pushed somthing wrong

        Respect
        Kim

        • Pedro

          20kw in, 21kw out? The COP doesn’t improve from scaling, I think? In addition, electricity in, heat out. A heatpump can do better than that.

          I think Celani is very important from a scientific point of view, but nowhere close to commercialy interesting. You need at least a COP of 3 for that.

          • Job001

            This device is not designed for high COP, just for demonstration. High COP requires different control features and engineering. No need to try mathematically scaling that which isn’t yet designed for scale up.

            • Peter_Roe

              In any case, multiple wires might be heated by a common heat source, by (for instance) wrapping multiple coiled Celani wires around a single resistance heater, possibly with small pulsed current applied to the wires to stimulate output.

              A gas burner tube could easily be substituted for the resistance heater. The engineering possibilities are many, once the basic process has been optimised by experiment.

          • Anonymous

            The breakthrough would be proof of the physics, i.e. that cold fusion is real and independently verifiable, and published very publicly. Then we have additional labs working on it the world over to bring it to commercially useful levels, not just small independent scientists and commercial ventures.

            We WANT Exxon, Mitsubuishi, Samsung, STS, GE, the DOE, and multiple universities to work on this as respected science. To get there we need the proof — the Nobel prize so to speak; especially after the scientific community discredited P&F.

            I’d like it to be developed. I’d like to see Rossi make it work during his lifetime as a just reward for his 6 years of effort. I think he is having technical problems through, and is not capable of doing the science and engineering work to get around this, and his secrecy and poor public relations (i.e. name calling) gets in his way. He is but one of several people working on the project. Rossi could have hired someone to do a more professional job representing his company, but he chooses to comment personally on the Journal of Nuclear Physics, wasting his time and further harming his credibility.

            • georgehants

              Anonymous, all very true but how Mr. Rossi chooses to “waste his time” is his affair, we all understandably complain at the delays occasionally but if we do not wish to stay the course we are each free to move on to pastures new.
              Now you have made your point you hopefully will move on to commenting on the Evidence as it arises or even adding Evidence yourself.

            • Andrew Macleod

              All though the science behind CF is important I think Rossi and his plan is best. Working devices will prove or disprove CF. Just think if we waited on labs to prove the viaiablilty of the wheel or explain how fire cooks stuff…. Even better how planes fly!

            • Peter_Roe

              With his own people plus those employed by the US partner all working on optimising the hot cat, Rossi may have a bit more time for blogging now. It seems likely that all he has to do now is think – there are many others to do.

  • Chris

    Hah, my friend works for this company, as a software engineer in their UK office.

    • Chris

      And I’m sure that this from their website is just a cooincidence…

      “STMicroelectronics to Announce New Strategic Plan on December 10, 2012
      Geneva, November 30, 2012 – STMicroelectronics (NYSE: STM), a global semiconductor leader serving customers across the spectrum of electronics applications, announced that it will present its new strategic plan on Monday, December 10, 2012 before European stock markets open.
      The press release will be available immediately after publication on the Company’s website at http://www.st.com.

      The management of STMicroelectronics will conduct a conference call on December 10, 2012 at 9:00 a.m. Central European Time / 3:00 a.m. U.S. Eastern Time, to discuss the new strategic plan, followed by a Q&A session.

      A live webcast of the conference call will also be available via the Internet by accessing http://investors.st.com

      About STMicroelectronics
      ST is a global leader in the semiconductor market serving customers across the spectrum of sense and power technologies and multimedia convergence applications. From energy management and savings to trust and data security, from healthcare and wellness to smart consumer devices, in the home, car and office, at work and at play, ST is found everywhere microelectronics make a positive and innovative contribution to people’s life. By getting more from technology to get more from life, ST stands for life.augmented.

      In 2011, the Company’s net revenues were $9.73 billion. Further information on ST can be found at http://www.st.com.”

      • HeS

        Hmm, maybe the real race begins.

        • daniel maris

          Maybe. Let’s hope it’s not one of those let-down announcements we’ve had too many of.

          • GreenWin

            Daniel, this is a standard corporate strategic plan announce and will most likely NOT mention one word of LENR. They are in the semi-conductor business and strategy focuses on those assets – not laboratory experiments.

            • Peter_Roe

              Probably so — but their core business would position them nicely if they decided to aim to become the ‘go to’ manufacturer of LENR control systems (European equivalent of NI, perhaps).

              However, until CF becomes established fact, the chances of any announcement in this connection (as you say) are remote.

    • Chris

      I’ve just had a quick chat with my friend about this.

      He reckons it’s probably got ST’s logos on it because they like to claim partial credit for someone elses work, and really they just used their chips.

      • freethinker

        Is that really a likely scenario?

        If they were not “in it” then odds are that they certainly would like to be “out of it”, and would not like to have their logo so exposed in something they are not “in”.

        Had it not been for the corroborating evidence and clear confirmation in this forum, I would say the risk was high that the doc was doctored as a prank…. But it is not ! :)

        Do note that there appear to be STM labs in Italy that are fully capable to handle this.

      • Chris

        Scratch that, I’ve just shown him the slides.

        Those are the official internal Templates.

        • freethinker

          See…

          :)

  • daniel maris

    Great news. Not clear about STMicroelectronics’ status in all this. Are they paid by Celani?

    • http://www.lenrforum.eu AlainCo

      probably autonomous, interested since long.
      http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=933&p=3197#p3196
      present at ICMNS workshop 10 in sienna, with people from SAIPEM, ex-executives of shell working in new energy…

      I start to connect the dots… If I add the few NDA dots, it is quite clear that there is no more so underground moves…

      expect business/innovation press to discuss soon.

    • Redford

      I think Celani can’t pay them enough to cover the risk in their reputation on confirming LENR if LENR isn’t real…

      • Job001

        All science is theory, including how gravity works, as yet unknown, but we use gravity everyday in spite of not understanding how it works. Here is a fairly good synopsis of LENR as real:

        http://www.lenrproof.com

      • Peter_Roe

        Really?

        http://i.imgur.com/cOTvo.jpg

        175C et seq.