Here’s a post from an earlier thread from Bob Greenyer of the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project about the first test run of the the Celani LENR cell that is scheduled for Monday, Nov 12.
Hi All,
We are expected to go for first active loaded wire test at 8 am central American time Monday 12th November 2012.
Our H2 loading was a complete success and matched Celani’s findings, this has been confirmed by the highest authority on the matter.
We hope that you will be able to spare the time to watch the story develop. We are cautiously optimistic given the success on the loading – we may see the New Fire lit from about 10am central American time.
Wish us luck, this is for you.
A live data feed can be viewed here — see Celani Cell #1
Bob also told me that they would be reporting live about the experiment on their progress blog here.
I may not be able to monitor everything carefully tomorrow in real time, so I thought I would set up this thread so that people could share news and observations. I know this is a big day for the MFMP — they are cautiously optimistic, but certainly not overly confident. This is the first test run, and there are a lot of unknowns at this point. I have to say that this project has gone ahead with impressive speed and competence. The people involved are dedicated to trying to show the world that there is a new fire available that can be used for the benefit of everyone.
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Part of our initial thoughts and discussion up online now.
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/127-review-of-first-11-hours
1st experiment is ongoing
B
Am I being short-sighted when I ask what difference this experiment makes? It seems to me that between SRI and MIT there has been sufficient validation and replication. That Professor Celani can get a few watts of excess heat out of a couple of loaded wires doesn’t seem too exciting. Why should we care, when we have 1MW plants up and running and on sale?
This is LENR for the masses.
People have said over and over in this forum that if Rossi just let his secret out to the world, that we’d have thousands of scientists working on it and get it out to the world in a relatively short time compared to what Rossi can do. That’s nonsense of course, but with lots of people working on it, you might get something new. Also, this is relatively inexpensive so some of these high school geniuses might come up with something.
It’s just a setup that works and lots of people can play with it and that can yield some interesting results. It might allow some obscure scientists to come up with competing theories on how it works. Or it might allow someone to find another way to get more energy out of it. That’s all you get but that might be a lot.
Rossi’s company is probably the only one that will produce working plants, but you never know.
The goal of the organisation is to provide 10 working devices and send them to scientific organisations for research. They are in the early stages – get something working, then make 10 copies.
Rossi has not yet disclosed his precise procedure for making his LENR catalyst, but Celani has revealed enough information to make his LENR active catalyst if one studies recent disclosures on the subject. Earlier today I posted links to relevant documentation on my blog site at
http://opensourcenuclearfuel.blogspot.com/
in the posting titled “Update About Making DIY LENR Catalyst”.
The specific details about the wire surface treatment is found in the link to this science article:
“HIGH-LOADED NICKEL-SILICA CATALYSTS FOR HYDROGENATION, PREPARED BY SOL-GEL ROUTE: STRUCTURE AND CATALYTIC BEHAVIOR”, Marina A. Ermakova, Dmitry Yu. Ermakov, Applied Catalysis A: General 245 (2003) 277–288.
Note that the Celani wire is made using 300 surface treatments to make the nickel and silica particles bonded tightly to the surface of the metal wire. The LENR activity was not mentioned in the 2003 science article because that was not the focus of the research. But read the posting yourself to get the details.
In addition the Celani patent claims are consistent with the procedures discussed in the catalyst science article, and also include variations of the surface treatment that others may attempt. The Celani patent is actually very complete if short, and much superior to anything Rossi has revealed.
Also Celani reported recent improvements in the production of the wire which is probably also very significant. This is from his ICCF presentation (which has other statements about the wires):
Since June 5, 2012 we were able to improve, largely, the production procedure (active material increased from 1-2% to about 30%) of the sample (wire, diameter 200m, length 100cm): we will report, in details, only the most recent results with the new wires.
It may be possible to correlate the amount of hydrogen absorbed, or/and the wire resistance, with the increased LENR active surface, in which case one could proceed without a SEM when using the sol-gel process and experimenting to increase the active surface material area. 30 percent is better than 1-2 percent, but more would be better. Amount of catalyst needed for a fixed power output (equate cost), for reactor is inversely proportional to LENR active surface area. A SEM, especially when combined with x-ray fluorescence analyzer for element determination, is way out of my funding ballpark, and my optical microscope does not have the required resolution for surface nano-structure analysis. The right lab equipment would make progress so much easier!
The goal Joe, is to prove undeniable repeatable science. Technically this has not been done to the degree where CF is embraced as viable. Power is not the issue.
Great news! A claim of 2-3W excess heat! Also, interesting they seem happy to take Rossi and DGT seriously.
Hi All,
It is very late here in Europe, I am the last one awake and about to sleep and Ryan is celebrating his birthday with his family.
We have just written a review of the past few days which we will run parts by Celani for his thoughts before blogging and we have discovered quite a lot. We have also got a lot of thoughts about how other commercial designs might work and why and we got this from plotting the resistivity against power over the experiment so far – for a bit of fun, please download it and plot it on two axis and see if you come to the same conclusions as us – it is quite surprising. This one graph might explain why multiple reactors are needed and what sort of control/cycling is required.
This along with the very successful loading has been the high points, the effective denial of service through server overload and then failure after switching to another faster server were the low points. The really difficult point was that the Quartz glass was loosing so much through IR (rather than thermalising it, see our previous discussions) that we have not seemingly got to activation temperature of the wire despite running at over twice the input power of Celani’s experiment. We have decided to leave it running at the current input power to gather data to assess the rate of R/R0 change rather than risk loss of the wire through over driving it. There are also other electrical effects at high currents that may be undesirable also.
We will get back to you on the interpretation of the raw data. In hindsight, actioning debate points on excess power assessment during a live run was probably confusing for everyone not in our realtime multiway google link-up.
Key aspects that we need to think about going forward are
- cycling during loading
- inducing nano scale fracturing of wire
- different glass types
- choice of calibration data for excess power calculation
Oh – also, we should consider
- re-running at lower pressure
- going straight to high power rather than slowly going up
- but still plenty of data to come from this run yet!
B
Celani once said lower pressure gives more excess heat.
Bob, re infra-red heat loss. If the quartz tube is included for safety reasons, and its transparency in the near infra-red is causing the problem, how about a second co-axial tube, either external (easier) or internal (major pain, I imagine) of Pyrex, which if I remember correctly has less transparency in the near infra-red. One might even consider going even further and if an external sleeve could be used, consider soda-glass.
Cheers
Tim
Or make metal-coated stripes on the quartz tube’s outside (so one can still see the wire partly through), or add external e.g. semicylindrical aluminium reflectors with their own supports outside the glass tube.
Some good suggestions are being made along these lines, all things for consideration, it is great to have such collaboration.
Modifications such as this however, may require re-build and more calibration runs. Since we already have a low pressure calibration run in the current configuration – and Celani advises to try this route to get the wire to a higher temperature for a lower input power – we will look to do a load and active run at low pressure.
I can see the data now. At present its showing an excess of 2 Watts.
In the original experiment by Celani, it took 100 hours to reach 10 W excess. So too early to say anything at this time.
I am delighted. How can you say it has a value of 2 watts? It’s right against the floor.
I can go to bed happy.
It had a value of between 2.5 to 3 watt. There is such a thing as cold fusion. Let’s not hear any different.
Yes, its probably just noise. I downloaded the 12 hour data and it seems that T_Glassout is not increasing at all (its actually going down) and the resistance is increasing (it should go down).
So far no reason to get excited.
Yeah Sanjeev, if Celani ran it for 100 hours than it’s way too early. It’s a solid phase system and a wire has a much lower surface to volume ratio than a finely divided powder. It will take a long time to drive the hydrogen into the wire. Let’s not have a repeat of 1989 (a premature death of cold fusion party).
So, can anyone say if it’s a negative result on excess heat? I’d just like to know!
If negative, so be it. It’s disappointing but not necessarily fatal to hopes of confirmation.
It’s too early. The data feed died before critical temperature was reached. There is therefore still hope for a positive result.
We don’t know. But it was looking like it was working. We were getting more and more excess heat production as he got closer to the critical temp. Last I saw, we were at 5 Watts max of excess.
But remember, the true run is after the temp ramp up is complete and stable, it’s over the long term that we see the effect if it’s there. But.. very tantalizingly positive so far!
This is
http://data.hugnetlab.com/
Hi, guys,
Are we there yet, are we there yet,are we there yet.-smile
i suspose it still running, and a new data set on it way?
It worked! I’m the last one up, and I’ve read the graph and it shows a clear excess of 2.5 to 3 watt.
I have a dumb question. Is this exactly the same experiment that Celani did? Did he use the same piece of wire in his calibration that he used for the experiment? I’m just wondering if heating the wire in helium could have somehow “poisoned” the wire.
Helium is a poison, so might be Argon. I hadn’t thought of that. Buy another wire from Celani, and do it again, but no gases other than hydrogen. Pure hydrogen, please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyhDHXQXjf8
We must all keep in mind that this is just a first run experiment. I imagine a lot of information was obtained and needs to be analyzed and then applied to the next run. History has shown this is not easy, but this is what experimentation and applying the scientific method is all about…
Hang in there guys!!!
Another thought. Maybe there is more than hydrogen adsorption (on the surface) taking place. Maybe there is absorption (taken into the wire) as well. If so, it might take some time for the hydrogen to fully saturate the wire. Give it a little more time.
It’s getting past my bedtime, but I want to see something before I turn in.
If anyone wants to compare (and understand exactly what’s happening) this report from Celani is a must read.
http://www.22passi.it/downloads/Celani_ICCF17_Trasp3.pdf
This is the original of which the replication is being attempted. The wire is of course not the same, but similar.
I’d request Frank to put this link in the main post, and also a link to new data server. I guess its still offline.
Hydrogen was loaded after the helium run, and this is monitored by the R/Ro resistance drop. I don’t think helium has poisoned anything as hydrogen loaded fine (replicated Celani’s observations completely). So far everything’s looking good, but the data stream overloaded from all us watchers before the critical temp. We are still left hanging.
So, the experiment is not generating any excess heat. Sad but hey, one’s got to accept reality.
Where do you see that? Data stopped updating hours ago, before the critical temp, as far as I can find. Do you have new data?
This is one of the denial… of service guys.
new Dataviewer:
http://data.hugnetlab.com/
Not working.
Looks like recent data isn’t on the new server yet.
Go MFMP! Off topic, I heard today how the US is expected to become the world’s largest oil producer by around 2020. Do these people live in a vacume?
Barry,
There are many people who want to say
” I told you so” in 2020 when LENR is still an
unproven and/or unscalable technology.
I have tried to enlighten a few select engineers
in my company, some are receptive, some not so much,
we’ll see.
Exciting times amigo
http://tinyurl.com/bf2dzzw
As the data flow is very slow I made a screen cap of what I had after some tweaks. This is the first run : as you can see excess heat at least makes no doubt. I think it ends up around 8 Wth solid.(yellow curve).
Many thanks for these direct updates guys
Can not get sound on the MFMP site for some strange reason
Getting close to activation temperature (T_Mica=270C): T_Mica at 246.898C at xx:30:37. Data running about 10 minutes behind real time for me.
At xx:45:00 should get another power boost which should bring T_Mica over the activation temperature.
T_Mica is rising less per power boost than earlier. At xx:17:27 T_Mica is 267.167C which is very close to the expected 270C activation temperature. Maybe at the next power boost (15 minutes from now)???
Seems we’re frozen till the new server comes up.
It is not promising. It is strictly inert so far, apart from a flash seen earlier.
I thought it was looking fine, up to 5 watts.
It’s the long term stable temperature at or above 270 C that’ll tell us if there’s a sustained excess or not.
I’m acutally getting some data right now but it’s only at xx:38:25 and quite a bit behind.
Seems to be working better for you Lu than I! If you see something, give a shout if willing.
I can see the P_out is about 2 watts above P_in. Is that completelly normal or are we seeing some kind of reaction as we are getting close to the 270 degrees
That value, or P_xs which is the difference varies from negative to a small value. Not too much should be read into it at this time because it is so small and the system is not in a steady state. After activation we should see this value in the double digits I believe and if high enough evidence for LENR.
Unfortunately real time data is not working very well (or at all ) at this point so it’s hard to tell what is going on but we are close to or after expected activation temperature. MFMP is working on fixing the real time data feed.
8 watts excess heat. Are we still talking inertia?
I think Excess heat is not visible so far.
There is no excess heat, correct me if I’m wrong.
yes, it’s back at around zero.
Additionally,
1. The European cell (Celani 2) is undergoing a calibration, you can follow its live data also.
2. If we are fortunate enough to see measurable excess heat on this first attempt with Celani 1 – we are likely to just leave the cell running and build another. Donations would help this.
Thanks for the steady updates!!!
Where are the live data?
Is in the post…
Running for a while at excess power needs to be done to rule out non-chemical sources but I’m not sure how long this would be. Has to do with the weight of the wire (or maybe the weight of the coating on the wire).
I think this experiment is already a success in demonstrating open and collaborative science. Hopefully demonstration of LENR will happen now or soon afterwards. I plan on donating as soon as I talk to my wife
Meant, “to rule out chemical sources”….
I don’t think we are quite seeing the effect yet (I bet if we integrated over the steps it would come out to ~0), but we’re almost at the point were we should. If it does hit 20 W excess like Celani’s device, then we will see that without a problem. Guess it is best to let that go for as long as the reactor can maintain itself, even if that’s months.
This is getting very exciting. So close guys!
Actually over the last 45 minutes, it looks like excess power.
The data is coming to me in small amounts. Most recent data is 11:13:51. I’m not sure if it’s there server or the browser software. Once it updates I’ll download a cvs file and see if I can do some calcs.
I think the time is local to your regional setting.
Here shows 2012-11-12 16:13:51 wich is my time, and curretly very quiet 156.5 Cº aprox. at the T_MICA
The excess is small, can be chemical
Maybe, remember the control runs though, they give us everything to evaluate from. Hydrogen loading is exothermic, so now that there is no hydrogen in the atmosphere, if hydrogen was unloading we should see negative excess power. I think at this point we are higher than the controls. But, you are right in that we won’t know for sure until enough time has passed to rule everything out.
The run simply has to go long enough to produce enough energy to rule out chemical. Seems to be well on the way from what I see at the moment. The closer we get to 270 C, the higher the excess is becoming, so this is very interesting.
I see what you mean, Lu, you are right. When I looked, it was just while a power stepping was on going. Now the P_xs is at 5.1 Watts, which is definitely getting towards substantial, and above chemical. Since, after all, we have all those control runs in the various atmospheres which do not show such a large Wattage as that. 2 W as before maybe, but 5 is definitely well on the way to excess if not there already.
This is spectacular to watch.
Phase 2 of this project should be what we all want Celani to do. Insulate the reactor more so the input power sustaining the reaction temperature can be reduced, until it becomes self sustaining with heat from just the LENR active wire surface maintaining the temperature. If the wire puts out 20 thermal watts, then the insulation must enable equilibrium at the reaction temperature between what is generated, and what passes through the insulation.
Need more heat? Increase the wire length 10 times for 200 thermal watts.
The big moment will come when they make their own active wire, and publish the procedure how to make it so any person can. But will they go that far?
Once the secret is out, the procedure can be experimented with to make it simpler, use it treat nickel alloy plates, not just wire. Heat the or metal sheets to 270 C plus, and they become active. Can they be heated to Rossi hot cat temperature? Just make the information available, and we can all find out.
Public release date: 12-Nov-2012
Contact: Traci Peterson
817-272-9208
University of Texas at Arlington
UT Arlington physics team demonstrates new power generation technique
“If we can convert both light and heat to electricity, the potential is huge for energy production,” Chen said. “By increasing the number of the micro-devices on a chip, this technology might offer a new and efficient platform to complement or even replace current solar cell technology.”
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-11/uota-uap111212.php
“physics professor Wei Chen” Chen… that sounds familiar…
Not the same Chen. The physics guy would not be using propane in his glove box during loading of the cylinder with his active LENR mixture, would have better data logging, and would have disclosed more detail so his experiments could be replicated.
I think the fantasist with the glovebox and exploding nuclear bullets called himself ‘chan’ rather than Chen.
P_xs seems to be getting larger and larger when positive. It does drop to negative at the step but then recovers and is at +2.684W as I write this. Not clear if overall we are getting excess power since it is still stepping so we have to integrate over the whole time to know this.
Not sure when activation temperature is reached and when power in will stop being stepped. At that point the experiment just needs to run long enough to determine overall excess energy produced.
Exciting stuff!
P.S. Just saw the post on activation temperature. T_mica is about 112C now.
I think activations intervals are coming more close now, wasnt 45 minutes ?
I think they bump power up every 45 minutes still. T_mica rises about 35-40C over this time. So currently we are at about T_mica =150C so we have 3 or so more power bumps to go.Activation/Ignition in 2-3 hours????
Thats what i think, but i see small bumps in P_In in more smalls intervals.
Activation temperature will hopefully be around 270 degrees centigrade
In wich sensor ? Mica, Well, Glass ?
We are watching the mica temperature – but this is a new science – the data will reveal all afterwards.
hey bob.why do u guys wana run in H2/Ar mixture.why nt use pure H2.surely resultant exces heat will be better
It is to do with thermal conductivity, Celani advised it and it is part of doing the replication.
Hi, bob
I’m watching , with great interest,—here’s hoping, smile
Richard Long is an author and enthusiast of cold fusion. His new e-book, “Cold Fusion Power for Everything” is previewed in Amazon’s catalog. Here is a portion of the introduction:
http://www.amazon.com/Cold-Fusion-Power-Everything-ebook/dp/B009TH88AO#reader_B009TH88AO
Long makes clear he is not an engineer nor has he a science background. But he does intuit the vast change for good that the LENR revolution portends. And it is good to read another view of positive changes to come.
A note for everyone, as the power steps up, you may see -’ve excess heat – this is the inertia in the cell between the wire and the thermal sensors.
Thanks VERY much Mr. Ivone Martin FitzGerald!!!
Great news, cant believe that there are kids out there doing some of the heavy lifting!
Cheers
Hi, e-dog,
The Ugo Abundo experiment is being replicated by Gladstone Secondary School in Vancouver. Abundo produces spectacular overunity results, which I’m sure you’ve seen on Youtube.
Let’s hope the Breslauer effort goes well, and that they’re not disappointed.
In addition, the working language is in English, which is a relief.
The Vancouver Website also contains the Abundo Pirelli High School effort as its last link.
Also don’t forget to drop in on quantumheat.
http://mrbscigladstone.wordpress.com/hydrogen-electrolysis-project/
Oh …. Good luck Bob! And pass it on to both teams please!!
Im so excited!!!
Slowly ramping up to suggested activation temp by stepping up in voltage steps every 45 mins
B
Here we go. Good luck guys! You’ve put a lot of hard work into this, so hoping for some great data whatever it tells us!
Showing excess watts now, but afer a small hole in the data of 8 minutes, rigth ?
Internal temp 55C at 11:20 CST, USA.
The Cell has cooled – we are vacuuming out the Hydrogen now
Excellent, waiting for the data
Good luck!
Can we simply watch he P_xs line? Or what do you suggest we keep a close watch on?
I’m watching this the same way I did when the first man landed on the moon, with amazement and anticipation.
It’s incredible the communication is done by tools predicted by Science Fiction writers.
Now for a technical question. Can someone explain why the remaining H2 not loaded in the wire is being vacuumed out? Is it only for the tests?
st
This could also be a large step for mankind.
vbasic – we need to make sure that we get the right mixture of gas in the cell for the run.
For me it’s also the same feeling as when i was watching the moon landing. I only hope this breakthrough will go on and on, not like the moon adventure that went dead after a few trips and now is almost forgotten.
So yes, same feeling, but hopefully not same aftertast.
The progress blog page continues to time out for me. Does it work for you guys?
I was able to get in fine, Andre.
Ah, the problem seems to be in their IPv6 website only. If I force IPv4 precedence, it works. Thanks!
(I try to keep up with technology, as obviously they do too
)
Dear Andre,
1 How did you find the site is ipv6 only?
2 I can’t access it at all, my ISP supports teredo but not full ipv6, does that mean I’m stuffed?
If not how did you ‘force’ ipv4?
Searching the net forcing only works if the destination host has ip4 available
VERY frustrated
hal
Can any body help I have the same problem as Hal, it seems. I know you guys are watching intensively the progress maybe someone have a moment to explain how to force IP4 precedence which Andre is indicating
Thanks
It works for me fine and smoothly.
From Cold Fusion News, sorry if old.
New Website Provides LENR Proof and Details Rossi’s Relationship with Siemens
Published November 11, 2012 | By jennifer
http://coldfusion3.com/blog/new-website-provides-lenr-proof-and-details-rossi%E2%80%99s-relationship-with-siemens
I hadn’t read it and found it interesting. Thank you !
Tyler needs to review the latest Wall Street data on Siemens AG, who will likely drop their bid for Ansaldo due to Italian government reluctance to sell this asset to a foreign entity. Ansaldo remains an energy company interested in LENR.
Looks like HUGnet shows 7.1W excess heat at timeline 4:23:50.
Hi Greenwin, do you have a link on this? I will update, thanks, tyler
Tyler, looks like Ansaldo might be trying to lure Siemens into a bidding war. The bid by Siemens looks low (1.3B Euro) for 100%. Fox News reports a State owned Italian fund is involved, Fondo Strategico making an overture for the 55% controlling interest of Finmeccanica.
http://markets.financialcontent.com/stocks/news/read/22492627/siemens_may_drop_bid_for_italy%27s_ansaldo_energia_
It is interesting the deal is in play, and that Italian government sees Ansaldo as “strategic” to Italy. Keep in mind that DARPA’s budget indicates joint development of certain LENR-type research with Italy’s ENEA (government energy agency.)
Other italian investors are on the way to enter the Italian co.
Very likely some Italian investors should enter Ansaldo co.
I want to thank this people. This is the way things in LENR should be. We love this.
Andrea
OT:
http://quentron.com/
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All the energy mankind will ever need is in the air and water that surrounds us
Quenco extracts heat from air to make electricity, even if the air is sub zero
It is solid state, reliable, powerful, non-polluting, and will be very inexpensive
Quenco simply converts electron kinetic energy into electrical potential energy
All royalties received from Quenco will go to the Quenco Foundation
$900M raised from the last 9 licences goes to the Quenco Foundation
Official Launch
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“
“After the launch there will be 9 more licences for sale at $100M per licence”
That counts me out
Looking forward to seeing some facts (if they exist) on this one.
Ha-Ha!
“Quenco simply converts electron kinetic energy into electrical potential energy.”
What prevents electrons from falling back down the potential gradient, directly inside?
Oil market goes in the dark.
Avi
November 12th, 2012 at 2:23 AM
Dear Andrea Rossi
Did the certifiers want from you to do any changes in the domestic ECAT so far?
Warm Regards
—-
Andrea Rossi
November 12th, 2012 at 3:34 AM
Dear Avi:
Yes,
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Oh boy, can’t wait.
From Hydrobetatron —-
Hydrobetatron @Hydrotron_lab I uploaded a @ YouTube video: http://youtu.be/7YxA8XfDuHc?a PRESENTATION OF STUDENTS 0001
Thanks George…. any idea on what they are saying??
This book is now free for kindle on Amazon.
Cold Fusion Power for Everything: How Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat Could Change the World [Kindle Edition]Richard Long.
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A gentleman by the name of Jung, many years ago, followed Evidence and reported many important advances to science.
Science in many cases being psychologically challenged could not except such esoteric information and turned almost completely to a more reductionist guy named Freud.
Maybe the incompetent denials by science of many subjects not fitting their religious Dogma should become known as, the Cold Fusion Effect.
—-
News in Science
Monday, 12 November 2012 Jennifer Viegas
Discovery News.
Study author, Dr Lance Storm, a visiting research fellow with the University of Adelaide’s School of Psychology, finds that Jung was right.
Dream symbols could help psychotherapy
“In Jungian theory, these symbols are manifestations of the unconscious mind; they are a glimpse into the brain’s ‘unconscious code’, which we believe can be decrypted.”
Storm says Jung’s theories could broaden the range of options available to patients undergoing treatment for mental health problems.
“Our research suggests that instead of randomly interpreting dream symbols with educated guesswork, archetypal symbols and their related meanings can be objectively validated. This could prove useful in clinical practice,” he says.
“We believe, for example, that dream analysis could help in the treatment of depression.”
“This is a rapidly growing area of mental health concern, because depressive people are known to experience prolonged periods of rapid eye movement (REM) sleep, which is directly linked with emotional processing and dreaming.”
http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2012/11/12/3630996.htm
I put two bottles of champagne in the fridge. Andrea Rossi and one for one for Franscesco Celani!
History in the Making !!! Move over Elvis.
The images at http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/replicate/progress-blog are Spectacular. Why didn’t I study science
“Why didn’t I study science.”
I’ll second that one.
In many ways be pleased that you have not been indoctrinated by the establishment, if you had “studied science” the chances are that you would be on the sidelines denying Cold Fusion and many other clearly shown phenomenon.
We are very lucky on these pages to have True Scientists who follow Evidence with an open-mind.
When studying science, it’s good to remain sceptical and to make an a priori assumption that roughly 50% of the papers are crap. The problem is in knowing which part, that’s why new scientists are needed.
Pekka, agreed, possibly more than 50% will turn out incorrect but that is just an exceptable hazard.
Surely what is most important, is to be certain that a Wonderful Paper such as P&F is not discarded by closed-minds.
The whole point of science is to find those important papers and never discard a possible jewel.
That logically implies that all papers must be treated with great respect until shown to be in error.
Of course as a paper can only be judged on present knowledge, if it is advanced and controversial, it can only be placed in abeyance for now but available to other scientists reference until further Evidence arises.
The one certainty is that to have incompetent journals or peer reviewers giving a ridiculous “expert opinion” on theories or speculation that is beyond their Dogmatic understanding is unscientific.
Pekka have replied, in moderation, can’t see why.
I studied physics at a renowned establishment over here, despite this I’m not prejudiced. I simply don’t fall into a mistake common among many nuclear and particle physicists, who apply the same usual criteria which may well be (likely are) out of place in the metal lattice.
It’s still early here on the US West coast and I am enthused by the development of New Fire by “New Science.” What is greatly satisfying is to see how non-institutional research carried on this forum is doing the work of “big” science, using little more than good intention, good equipment, and an Open Source approach. Who knows, maybe the Celani replication will yield nothing more than a “living lab” where we can tune in to new experiments and replication efforts. THAT is plenty.
But “New Science” is here to stay. Much as internet radio, you tube, interactive conferencing. We have established an open access method to do work that is important to the community. We cannot thank the team at HUGnet enough for their innovative approach. It is an adventure not unlike watching Neil Armstrong guide the Eagle to its first landing at Tranquility Base. Buenos suerte!
MFMP created SEM (Scanning Electron Microscope) images of the pre-treated wire that they received from Celani.
A comparison of those image to the images from Celani’s wire preparation paper, and links to both documents, are shown here:
http://lenrconnect.com/group/replication-cookbook/page/celani-s-wire-preparation-presentation
Yeah! Go guys, light ‘em up!