Waiting for the Report

While commercial E-Cat products are listed as being for sale through Prometeon and other licensees, these plants are under wraps for now, and according to Aldo Proia it could be months after installation before the members of the press or general public might be able to see one in action. This being the case, there is not likely to be a huge amount of excitement generated about this technology among the general public if only secret customers are able to see and use it.

Proia says, and I tend to agree, that the “the most difficult thing is to have patience, because we all can not wait to pass these months and you get to a first goal.”

In addition to waiting to see live plants on the market, we are also still in waiting mode for the long-awaited 3rd party report which is supposed to provide solid validation of what Andrea Rossi has reported about the hot cat.

Today our regular contributor georgehants asked Andrea Rossi on his blog why the report had not yet been published when many people were expecting it to come out in October. Rossi answered saying, “As I said , I think that by November the report could be issued (Actually, I said by October/November…)”

Waiting for an important event one is looking forward to is never particularly easy, but it seems we have no choice. Extended waiting causes some people lose confidence, and others to lose interest. My attitude is that there’s really nothing that can be done except to have patience and try and enjoy the journey.

  • PL

    “Most of Factor e Farm’s equipment runs on an in-house invention called a Power Cube. It’s a black metal box about the size of an office copier, with a 27-horsepower engine that runs a hydraulic pump. The Power Cube’s engine can drive the bulldozers; the pumps can power the table saws and other smaller, stationary machines.”
    (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-11-01/the-post-apocalypse-survival-machine-nerd-farm)

    What is this “Power Cube?”

    “I finished my 20s with a PhD in fusion energy, and I discovered I was useless.” – Jakubowski (http://www.ted.com/speakers/marcin_jakubowski.html)

  • Torbjörn

    From Facebook:

    “Hampus Ericsson

    Last year I went to the lecture with Sven Kullander in Sweden when he talked about cold fusion. On the way home I was lucky enough to be on the same train as Sven so a started talking to him. We talked for 2 hours, he showed me pictures of Andrea and his wife. It was the most interesting talk I have had in my life.

    I asked him about the upcoming sell of the one megawatt plant and asked him if he knew who bought it. He told me that he have heard trough Mats Lewan(Ny teknik) that it was The Naval Research lab.

    In respect to Sven I decided not to mention anything about this. I didn’t want Sven to get trouble from Rossi. Now one year later I feel comfortable to talk about it.

    This is why I strongly believe in what Andrea Rossi is saying.

    I also asked Sven about his test in Italy and he said (very strongly) that it is a nuclear reaction, there is no other explanation.

    He also said that he can talk about this and test Rossi because it will not hurt his carrier. Sven will soon retire, he can talk about cold fusion without any fear.

    Sven told me that the whole reason he went to Rossi was because of Focardi. Sven knows Focardi and says that he is one of Europes top scientist. Focardi have worked for CERN.

    Sven also trust Celini (who also have had a lot of contact with Rossi)

    I left that train VERY reassured that Rossi has something.

    • Andrew Macleod

      Thanks for sharing!

    • GreenWin

      Good news Torbjörn. Thank you for your decision to share it with us. Personally I have never had any doubts about the Rossi demos or that the 1MW unit was sold to NRL (confirmed by signature.) It would make sense that NRL provided some funding for its assemblage.

      What is rather sad is how notable scientists such as Sven Kullander feel they cannot discuss taboo research – until they retire. This is a MAJOR problem in this world. Too many self-appointed priests sitting in ivory towers dictate science orthodoxy. Those who do not adhere to their catechism – are ostracized. This is wrong and deleterious to the scientific method. Not to mention the millions who suffer in ignorance.

      The hoarding of knowledge should be a crime. The dissemination of knowledge that forwards man’s enlightenment – should be celebrated. I think many of us who first read Kullander and Essen’s reports knew there was a significant nuclear reaction at work. The fiefdoms and cabals then started their machine to deny cold fusion science. It is now all archived over at the ECN site. One day it will make a great novel.

      • Torbjörn

        Thank Hampus.

      • Peter_Roe

        GW – when you used the phrase “It is now all archived over at the ECN site” I hoped for a moment that you might mean that the site was now closed to comments, but (pausing only to put on my virtual bunny suit and gloves) I checked, and of course the sneering contest goes on there relentlessly. I wonder why anybody without a permanently curled upper lip still bothers to post there.

      • Chris

        Green, reputation is very important in a researcher’s career. It is everything.

        It is necessary especially when work costs a lot. Repeatability is all very well but in most cases, given the funding which is necessary, not everybody just gets up in the morning and tries doing the same experiments as those who published results of them. Some degree of trust is necessary, according to specific cases.

        But anything that is governed by apes has no guarantee of being governed perfectly. That is why accidents happen. It is also why it becomes difficult to propose alternatives to what is already mainstream, an alternative would need to be highly promising or potentially offer a great advantage. It is also the reason why extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence; people can’t be bothered if it is hardly plausible. The onus of proof lies with who makes the claim. That’s all. In the case of Pons and Fleischman, several people did try and there were some disappointing results, these prevailed.

        There is no great conspiracy, there is only human nature (including the interest of those invested in fossil fuels, but this will not be sufficient to halt something far more competitive).

        • GreenWin

          “There is no great conspiracy, there is only human nature (including the interest of those invested in fossil fuels…”

          Chris, the more you and others deny the egregious actions of mainstream science, government, and academia in development of cold fusion — the more naive you sound. You fail to mention those invested in hot fusion, and fission. All three groups are adamantly opposed to the extraordinary economy and simplicity of LENR. Why? Why did Edison oppose alternating current? Why did tobacco lie about their cancer studies??? Greed.

          In case you have forgotten:

          “…the first assault against the truth in 1989
          was press manipulation by faculty members engaged in the lavishly funded hot fusion research
          at MIT’s Plasma Fusion Center. They did not believe the Utah work at all. They suspected that Pons and Fleischmann were engaged in a “scam,” and they were concerned that if the public were to have a too open-minded attitude toward the prospect of cold fusion as an energy solution, funding for their beleaguered thermonuclear program would be endangered.”
          Dr. Eugene Mallove, Chief Science Writer, MIT News Office

          http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/mitcfreport.pdf

  • Renzo

    Daniele Passerini wrote today:
    http://tinyurl.com/cq638wm

    “please have a little patience for news about the E-Cat that you’ve been waiting – as I do – for months after months. I can now tell you that:
    1. those independent tests so much expected and delayed are now almost concluded;
    2. experimental setting, instrumentation (National Instruments, of course), calibration, procedures, records and so on… this time are “watertight”;
    3. nothing is left but the time required to document and communicate all in the standard mode used by the scientific community and those responsible for the tests will certainly do it as accurately as possible.”

    • Sanjeev

      Great !

      • daniel maris

        Reassuring. Passerini is not often wide of the mark.

        • Peter_Roe

          Its interesting that Francesco CH is saying exactly the same thing over on ECN. And I do mean *exactly* (as in using the same words, but not in quotes).

    • Lu

      This portends great news. Let’s also hope that the organization doing the testing will not be anonymous (with Rossi anything is possible), credible, and independent. Otherwise it doesn’t matter what is in the report. Heck, if all the report said was “It works” and is by a known, independent, and competent organization, I would take it.

      • Peter_Roe

        “…document and communicate all in the standard mode used by the scientific community”. If this is the case, anonymity is not permitted.

  • georgehants

    From the Guardian, Just interesting for those who believe there is no conspiracy.
    —–
    Brian Cox’s search for alien life nixed by BBC health and safety tsars
    BBC tells star science presenter that impromptu extraterrestrial contact would break health and safety guidelines
    John Plunkett
    guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 7 November 2012 17.24 GMT
    Brian Cox: ‘It was incredible. They did have guidelines. Compliance.’
    The BBC’s star science presenter Brian Cox thought he might have a scoop on his hands when he trained his telescope at a newly discovered planet in search of alien life.
    But the professor’s hopes for an exclusive were brought back down to earth after he was told by the BBC that impromptu extraterrestrial contact would break health and safety guidelines.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/nov/07/brian-cox-search-alien-bbc

    • Torbjörn

      This blog is supposed to be only for LENR.
      Admin: Please don´t allow posts like the one above.

      • georgehants

        Torbjörn, I take it you do not like to see the way the establishment, hides, distorts and censors many things just like Cold Fusion.
        Do you believe Cold Fusion should be hidden and censored.

        • GreenWin

          There is a scifi tale in which this happens and the signals picked up are none other than our own TV and radio broadcasts starting around 1900!

          Suggestion to Mr. Cox: want messages from beyond? Check out Woodborough Hill, Wiltshire, UK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_sci7G-Z3Q

        • Sanjeev

          Didn’t you realize that its only a joke by Cox ? More like a publicity attempt.

          I think that posting about aliens and government related conspiracies might dilute the seriousness of this blog and educated people may stop coming here. So I highly recommend moving such posts to the forum section here.

          • GreenWin

            Sanjeev, the point being made is there is a pall of denialism in government on many areas of science. We all know that LENR is a real, reproducible science – we MUST deal with government denial, obfuscation, deception.

            That IS a part of this exercise.

            • georgehants

              GreenWin and others, thanks for seeing the very point I am trying to make.
              It matters not the subject, but I like to use UFO’s because it is the subject that has been most distorted, denied and censored.
              Also the subject that most brings out the “fear,” irrationality and completely unscientific behavior by many scientists.(Even more than Cold Fusion)
              When all these esoteric subjects are openly researched, then science may be showing itself to be worthy of that name, until then it is just a Dogma following, mostly ineffective, backwater of the establishment.
              Only a person completely devoid of any scientific instinct or method would say on any suspect “I don’t believe it exists” without full unbiased, open competent research following the Evidence.
              Science is not about opinion, it is about Evidence and only following Evidence.

      • Dickyaesta

        @Torbjörn,

        While ‘waiting for the report’, why not divert yourself a bit with other items going on. Everybody in his own world telling stories about it, not take it too seriously, but these other things might move you to think more out of the box, which I think is very much another purpose of this blog Thanks to Frank!!!

    • Miles

      You ONLY need search on YouTube – “UFO Infra-red” to be shocked at what you’ll see. Most things can’t be seen with the naked eye, infra-red picks up heat sensors.

      Homeland security placed a ban on all sales of Infra-red ready camera that can film in daytime infra-red. The Government doesn’t want you to see what is happening in the skies. It’s disturbing.

      Most UFO’s fly at mind boggling speeds. See the below Clip – 0:48 seconds. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hap-ZM2ROSQ

      Am I going Crazy ???

      • http://www.lenrforum.eu/ AlainCo

        When they appear on the market, IR cam in the day, were used by perverts to “undress” girls in the street… the image is not really undress, but enough suggestive to reveal private parts, hidden body shapes often sexy, and some really annoying hidden gears…

        look on the net… ;-)

        after stupidity (unenlightened greed), look for (unenlightened) sex as the greatest motive.

      • Chris

        I get the impression you’re talking about the USA government. I have a vague suspicion that this salesman:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2wBf3JEb1E

        is in the USA. Maybe only Ircon is affected by the ban you claim? Could it be why they no longer offer cameras? I dunno, strikes me odd your government would limit the ban to USA companies and let it be circumvented by German ones.

        If the worst comes to the worst, you could always expatriate…

    • Babble

      I agree that the blog should stick with LENR and related energy. If you want conspiracies, check out Jesse Ventura or Donald Trump, both live in their own special world.

  • georgehants

    Science Daily
    Declining Influence of High Impact Factor Journals Documented
    ScienceDaily (Nov. 7, 2012) — The most prestigious peer-reviewed journals in the world, such as Cell, Nature, Science, and the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), have less and less influence amongst scientists, according to a paper co-authored by Vincent Larivière, a professor at the University of Montreal’s School of Library and Information Sciences. He questions the relationship between journal “impact factor” and number of citations subsequently received by papers.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121107073034.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29

    • georgehants

      They are still the mouthpieces of the censoring dogmatic establishment.
      Until scientists remove all influence of such agenda driven organs from their profession, no honest and free science will bloom.

      • GreenWin

        And this de-centralized trend is the same across all media. Last night, the “social media” expert on ABC told her fellow news experts, 80% of Americans get news off the internet and NOT network television.

        The choke hold of media and consensus experts is collapsing. Precisely because they have been caught loading the dice – and dismissing valid, controversial data. Only by opening their pages to freely publish non-orthodox research, will these journals hang on to their prestige. If they remain the narrow tools of self-appointed “experts;” they will join other publications on the print media trash heap.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Patience: I know it is simplistic to compare the E-Cat to the Microwave Oven but a little history: This from Wikipedia:

    “Percy Spencer invented the first microwave oven after World War II from radar technology developed during the war. Named the “Radarange”, it was first sold in 1947. Raytheon later licensed its patents for a home-use microwave oven that was first introduced by Tappan in 1955, but these units were still too large and expensive for general home use. The countertop microwave oven was first introduced in 1967……”

    • http://www.lenrforum.eu Alain

      there was less demand for microwave, and microwave devlopped much when cooking changed because of urban lifestyle and woman work.

      the product also where too big, so reserved to some niche needs (I remember than when I was young, ultrasound oven were preferred)

      LENr reactors are much more “demanded” because we are desperate to find cheaper reliable safe clean energy . their current form factor is very good compared to existing. It is simple technology, and produce heat which is well managed… very compatible with existing technology.

      the only delays are :
      – research to make it reliable (done probably – one year)
      – time to make it industrial (6-12 month, in process/done probably)
      – time to pass government regulation : 1-5 years for home heat/gen, 3-10 for cars, 5-20 for plane.

      of course transition, once ready on the market will take the usual 5-10 years…

  • Dr. Mike

    Not only are we going to have to wait a while for the third party report, it looks like we are going to have to wait many years for the “commercial e-cat”. Look what Rossi said it was going to take to get the commercial e-cat certified:

    Dear Bernie Koppenhofer:
    The difficulty is objective, not subjective. An apparatus working with LENR is difficult to digest for a certifier that has to get the liability to certify such an apparatus to go in apartments where no safety rules will be respected, in many cases. The obstacle will be overcome in time, with good statistics from the industrial plants.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    How long will it be before there will be “good statistics from the industrial plants”? If Rossi’s product direction is now moving toward getting the “hot-cat” into production, which seems to be a good idea to me, there will never be enough “statistics” to certify the low temperature reactor for home use.

    • Karl

      What do you mean with commercial E-Cat? To my mind the E-Cat sold for industrial use is certainly commercial. It is now available in the 1 MW version as we are informed by his partner in Italy.
      If you mean E-cat for home applications you should say it, otherwise you risk to appear to look like just another pseudo sceptic, trying to “shot down Rossi” by playing with words.

    • http://www.lenrforum.eu Alain

      Right, problem is certification…
      It is an unknown technology, with no history.

      I’m also afraid this is the point that the incumbent players will use to keep their economic rent. They will make people panic on unknown.

      I suspect too that Malthusian lobbies, very powerful today (the peak-everything, the gaia-ists, the ungrowth fans, the fearmongers, the anti-technology) will (like on shale gas in France) make the population panic more quickly that we will be able to make them dream…

      deep fear…
      human factor is the worst factor.

  • kwhilborn

    We also know we will never see this “power plant”. We know the buyers name will never be disclosed. We know the buyer has signed a dozen NDA. We know there won’t be any third party verification on it. We know we will know nothing more than we do now.
    Instead of starting yet another Andrea Rossi Countdown maybe we should just ignore this meaningless announcement and talk about other stuff.

    • georgehants

      kwhilborn, rather than the weak old trick of trying to report your opinions as facts, why do you not “talk about other stuff”.

      • kwhilborn

        Fact: Andrea Rossi has made one or more power plants. We know Andrea Rossi will not disclose the name of that client(s). We know they signed a NDA(s). We know there is no third party verification for it. We know nothing more than we do now.

        I am merely noting that Aldo Proia is correct, and it may be many months before the public might get a glimpse.

        I am not stating a fairy tail. We know that he is specializing in large plants because he does not want his ecat dissected by black market investors, and even Rossi himself is bound by Non-Disclosure-Agreements.

        History is repeating itself.

        I am merely stating what is fact, and what will be fact based upon what we know.

        I am actually an Andrea Rossi supporter, but that may mean waiting another year or two before seeing any kind of proof from him.

        I think Piantelli will beat him to market. Piantelli already has backing and ongoing research behind his (almost ssuccessful) patent. Anyone willing to throw millions or billions at this technology now will soon see a product as good or superior than anything Rossi claims to have.

        The longest public demo of the Andrea Rossi device lasted 18 hours before the ecat stability failed and created a mess. Andrea Rossi claims to have fixed that and to run at higher temperatures. Even if I believe him it will not help him when he goes to court to attempt to prove he was ahead of Piantelli on this. We know piantelli has been working on the Nickel/Hydrogen version longer than Rossi.

        There are your FACTS. None of this is my opinion.

        • georgehants

          kwhilborn, you can make your comments as long as you like but will not I think answer the question.—
          Can you show us all, definitive Evidence that proves Rossi is not genuine?
          If you cannot then you are like a man saying UFO’s do not exist, completely pointless and irrational.
          When the full Evidence becomes clear, pro or con, then rational people will take it from there.
          You are simply giving your own “opinions” as to your beliefs, that has no place in science, just at the betting shop.
          If you cannot or will not answer my above question then I think your opinions as to the final outcome of the saga are interesting but irrelevant as to the actual outcome.

    • Methusela

      He’s spent too long at ecatnews.com

  • Andrew Macleod

    I’m hoping it’s incontrovertible eveidence from Rossi. If/when all these devices make it to market (ecat,Papp,CIHT ect) I’m wondering what they will call this age in future history books.

    • artefact

      Age of the new fire ?

      • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

        Fire coming of new age?

        • clovis

          FOXFIRE,—-SMILE

          • Ged

            Firefo– oh wait.

      • PL

        The Diamond Age

  • Andreiko

    LENR 1celreactor 10 MWh in development?

  • buffalo

    we can concentrate our attention on other lenr developments round the world meantime and keep an eye out for anything tangible.ive heard rumours that research is even going on down here in capetown,south africa where i am

    • Karl

      I must admit I’m quite curious about the PAPP type of plasma machines, another LENR like phenomena? Even Mc Kubre has mentioned he witnessed and to my understanding confirms the claimed functions but he has no explanation or theory.

      A peculiar situation has occurred indeed in this field, where the two Rohner brothers seem to be able to virtually drink each other’s blood (business wise anyway). Each brother has developed his own version of the PAPP machine. In this video we see John Rohners solution. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxp-zwowLE4

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        I too am interested in the Papp technology. So far, I’ve yet to see a youtube showing a John Rohner device in operation. I’ve seen several videos with Bob Rohner and Russ Gries demonstrating Papp devices in operation

  • georgehants

    From Vortex with thanks — I think it is new.
    —–
    [Vo]:HOW LOW – ENERGY FUSION CAN OCCUR – CUSP DRIVEN TUNNELING
    pagnucco
    Tue, 06 Nov 2012 19:23:47 -0800
    A new preprint on Arxiv.org describes a method to induce room temp D+D–>He
    fusion by waveform shaping and overlap instead of high speed collision.
    “HOW LOW – ENERGY FUSION CAN OCCUR” – B. Ivlev
    http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1211/1211.1243.pdf

    • clovis

      Thanks, George for the link, i’ll take a look see.

    • GreenWin

      Ivlev seems to be going the right direction. Away from the assumption of discreet particles and toward a view of energy (atoms) as interfering waveforms that can be interpreted as particles. Assuming energies at quantum level are all waveforms of some kind, allows all manner of interesting actions including tunneling. Znidarsic and Dardik are both on this path.

      http://www.rexresearch.com/dardikcf/superwave.htm

  • georgehants

    ScienceNOW – Up to the minute news from Science
    Nanoscale Device Makes Light Travel Infinitely Fast
    by Adrian Cho on 6 November
    Now, Albert Polman, a physicist at the FOM Institute for Atomic and Molecular Physics in Amsterdam; Nader Engheta, an electrical engineer at the University of Pennsylvania; and colleagues have pulled off a particularly odd feat. They’ve developed a tiny device in which the index of refraction for visible light is zero—so that light waves of a particular wavelength move infinitely fast.
    http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/11/infintely-fast-light.html?rss=1

    • Chris

      This isn’t the first instance of phase velocity being greater than c. Even an infinite value has long been around, in the tunnel effect and the evanescent wave in optics; the only novelty here is that it doesn’t have an exponential tail with distance. I don’t see how they would hope to make a macroscopic version.

      • GreenWin

        Probably a loose cable… As with neutrinos, we all know phenomena faster than light speed is like a unicorn jumping a rainbow.

    • Peter_Roe

      Just for ‘balance’ – lightspeed slowed to 38MPH!

      http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=99111&page=1#.UJy5YcU0OTw

      • GreenWin

        Hmm, they could get a ticket for driving to endanger on the M5 motorway!

  • georgehants

    The Rossi situation, I think, has to be a little unique in history,
    When before has it been possible for outsiders to follow so closely a (possible) major discovery being born.
    It is perfectly natural that we all want a “quick” answer, just the excitement of being “involved” in hopefully, something “good” in World changing events.
    Mr Rossi fairly, has his own agenda that he has every right to follow as he see’s fit.
    I for one make no excuses for my excitement and knowing that we may all be contributing in a small way to defeating the forces that want for various reasons, (all of them immoral) to hide this and many other proven phenomenon.

    • Dickyaesta

      @George, if you believe in dreams: I had one very real and for me one of those that point to an actual event, with a hollywood flavor to it, what the heck I am watching much television these days -> trying to pass days waiting for the actual event possible?!:)

      Quote from my original post: http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/3603/
      Dickyaesta on October 5, 2012 at 6:38 am

      “Some days ago I had a dream:

      I was in an enormous hall lined with very exotic palm trees thirty meters high which had different colors of deep blue, red and yellow in the center where the leaves grew from the stem. And then rows upon rows of the most richly dressed people both in ornaments and in texture of cloth. Beautiful invigorating people not decadent, but full of energy and intellect and in the middle there was a path towards the end of the hall where in even more splendor of different nuances of light and gold, resided the Pharaoh, emperor or king. I had an impression it was an Atlantean court due to the very exotic palm trees lining the sides of the hall, which I have never seen before and because they seemed to be very important in my dream as if to say pay much attention to them to situate the dream in time and place!!!

      In the middle of the Hall there was a procession of high priests walking towards the Pharaoh with at the head of this procession a high priest, in his hands extended high-up towards the direction of the Pharaoh a rather odd looking black vase which could be seen to contain a very bright fire (seems familiar to us, no!).

      The whole gathering seemed to be for the dedication of this eternal fire to the Pharaoh. The High priest who had the odd black vase in his hands seemed to walk in a rather peculiar rapid fashion towards his Pharaoh to offer him this eternal fire. When I turned to look at the face of the high priest it was the exact face of Mr. Rossi and I woke up rather shocked and surprised….. A bit later it dawned upon me that even the peculiar stride was that of ‘our’ Rossi, which must have caught my attention in one of his videos.

      I leave it at that, to let you interpret it as you like, the dream seemed very positive to me about Rossi’s invention, …….”

      Saludos from Spain
      Dickyaesta

      • georgehants

        Dickyaesta, very interesting, but science unfortunately is still living in the stone age regarding the mind.
        Dreams I am sure, are very important in this World to the individual and probably society as a whole but until science stops treating the mind like a steam engine and start following Evidence of it’s abilities, very little progress is likely to be archived.

        • Dickyaesta

          Yes, George, We live in very dark ages still. Maybe when we have finally virtual free energy we have time to begin to discover the world within, apart from many other things…..

          For example I am always wondering, what they cut in brain-surgery as they know only 10% of the functions of the brain!!

          Was it a connection with an very far away planet system or was it a subconscious connection with all the brains on this planet to calculate the path of a comet that is storming towards us in order to steer away from it in time. Using eruptions of vulcans as steering, little change of path will make a great difference for the path of a comet millions of miles away hurtling towards us. Big calculations as are now done to calculate big projects linking thousands PC’s in the background (subconscious part of a PC ;) ).

          Or am I going to far out, for me it is only linking dots. If only 10% of the functions of the brain is known what is the rest doing.

          Saludos from Spain

          • georgehants

            Dickyaesta — Best wishes to you.
            http://noosphere.princeton.edu/homepage.html

            • Dickyaesta

              George, thanks for the link I will dive into it asap

          • andreiko

            Fit as many numbers for the comma, then behind existence we now?

            • Dickyaesta

              @Andreiko, do you mean, we know virtual nothing of brain functions ‘as many zeros before the coma as behind’…. I tend to agree with you and it frightens me stumbling through brain-tissue, much like the films SAW 1 to 4 or 6 or whatever.

              Barbarians we are and little has changed since so called barbarian times!!

      • GreenWin

        Dick,

        your dream is indeed fanciful. But it is doubtful Ing Rossi would be delivering new fire to a Pharaoh – since a Pharaoh worth his salt should already possess such power. Did you happen to notice if the priest was wearing asbestos gloves? Erternal fire tends to burn hot – around 800C.

        I rather think if Rossi delivers new fire to anyone, it will be to a large, diverse crowd of human beings, who will cheer and give thanks. Thanks that is, not to Rossi (ok some) but to the creative instinct and whisperings of the cosmos that lent the gift to him.

        • Dickyaesta

          @GreenWin As I am not a technician, not remotely even, I did not notice any asbestos gloves and moreover I think this dream was meant more symbolicly than technical. The damn thing works and it is time to celibrate!!!

          • Dickyaesta

            @GreenWin, I much liked the part of my dream where it particularely points to Atlantean or pre-Atlantean times, saying it has all been done before and got lost somehow!

            • GreenWin

              I do too.

  • captain

    Yeah Frank, U’ve described well the actual situation.
    Patience to wait for and nothing else to do. And Rossi has specified ‘could’ since the issue time doesn’t depend on him and as consequence instead of oct/nov we could expect jan/feb. Understood?
    I would add also:
    – Let Rossi work in peace, without pretending to ask him to discover in advance his reactor secrets. It’s better for those people to refrain from doing it again and again in a such asphyxiant way;
    – In the meantime and awaiting real big news, better to keep quiet and look to Rossi’s competitors for ‘killing time’…
    – It’s already a common practice that Rossi gives personally the news when deemed advisable, so again don’t pretend too much asking him irreverently what he can’t disclose.

    • Karl

      I agree with you. I think it is a good idea not to focus to much on Rossi if he has nothing real to say. Many other research and product developments going on that would be good to try to cover in parallel, as it may only seems they are less open. I think we tend to focus a lot on Rossi in comparison.

      Rossi keep us tailed to his activities, with his, to my mind fairly smart communication with his audience. This is really an exception form anything I have seen before in regard to innovation, development, marketing (and indirectly finance perhaps).

    • daniel maris

      That would be OK if he wasn’t claiming to have a product on the market – which he is, quite clearly. So, I am afraid that’s not good enough. We need video and reports of these products operating in situ.

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