Sven Kullander on the E-Cat

Many thanks to Hampus Ericsson for sending me this report of a conversation he had with Sven Kullander, professor emeritus of High Energy Physics at Uppsala University in Sweden. (Edited slightly for English grammar)

One year ago I went to see Sven Kullander’s lecture about nuclear fission/fusion [given at Orebro University in Sweden on November 23rd, 2011]. In that lecture he also talked about cold fusion and his visit to Andrea Rossi. After the lecture I wrote a small wall post about it in the Facebook group “Cold fusion Andrea Rossi”. The wallpost quickly spread all across the Webb and became read by many.

Later at a train station I see Sven Kullander, I collected my courage (Swedish people are very shy) and started a conversation. I found out that Sven is really nice and we ended up talking the whole trip to Uppsala.

We talked about cold fusion (ofc) and his views on Andrea Rossi. He told me about his deep respect for Focardi and how collaboration with him really makes Rossi look good. Sven also said that the reason why only he in the academic field takes cold fusion seriously is because he will soon retire and are not afraid of ruining his carrier.

I told him about the huge debate Andrea Rossi have made in the Internet and that thousands of people (including me) are following every little thing that happens in this field. Sven is shocked at this and tells me that he gets his updates from telephone calls with Mats Lewan (Ny Teknik) and Andrea Rossi.

When I asked him who bought the industrial plant he told me that it was The Naval Research lab in USA. I know I can trust him because he gets his information directly from Andrea or Mats Lewan.

When we got closer to our destination I asked him a little more strongly: How can you be sure that your test on the ecat was correct? Can it all be a scam?

“There is always the possibility that Rossi is fooling everyone but then he most be the best magician in the world. We (Sven and Hanno Essen) checked everything, we looked for wires in the whole room. We could not see any trace of a fraud.”

I felt that Sven really meant this, he had seen the ecat he had touched it. I trust that Sven knew what he was doing and that his measurements were correct.

I left that train VERY reassured that Rossi has something.

In respect to Sven I decided not to mention any of this, I didn’t want Sven to get in trouble with Rossi. But now one year later I feel more comfortable sharing my experience.

Mvh John Olov Hampus Ersa Ericsson

  • captain

    I was telling that Rossi has to be let to work in peace and not disturbed with irreverent ‘tech questions’… and …
    Here’s his confirmation, as he usually politely gives to people with no intriguing questions.

    From Rossi’s journal…

    November 8th, 2012 at 12:30 PM
    Dear Marco:
    I appreciate wholeheartedly the enthusiasm of our supporters, but sometime I have the impression that the difficulties we are fighting against are strongly underevaluated, just like to make a LENR industrial apparatus should be a normal thing. If I say that we will make a thing betwen October and November, this does not mean October 1st, could also mean Nov. 30st.
    Can also happen that new difficulties raise, so a delay comes up. The NUCLEAR FUSION ( ITER and the likewise) scientists had foreseen to put their plant in operation 20 years ago. After 100 billions of (taxpayer’s) money, they today foresee that perhaps they will have a plant in operation in the next 50 years, after further hundreds of billion dollars, and the scientific context is comfortable with this. Their present target is COP 1.1; we published our work in 2009 ( see Focardi-Rossi paper on this Journal). After 3 years and few millions ( of our private company, no public funding requested, no taxpayer money spent) we are manufacturing ( completely at our risks) plants of 1 MW, one of which will go in operation within February 2013 and will be exposed to the public after a period of operation ( 2-3 months). The plant will be put in the concern of a major world holding, which has signed with us an extremely important contract. The plant will heat a fluid. No electricity will be produced in the first plant, because the Customer wants to make thermal energy with the forst application,but obviously, due to the high temperature we are now able to reach, the coupling with turbines in a Carnot cycle is possible and will surely be made by the same Customer in the next plants. We still guarantee COP 6, even if the supposition that the COP can be increased is not groundless. The self sustained mode happens for approximatively the 50% of the operational time, regulated by a new concept remotely governed control system. Well, after all this, somebody talks of infinite delays…well, allow me to say that some scientific context sometimes gives the impression not to be very scientific. We don’t bother, anyway, just work.
    As you can see, the answers are not confidential.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • daniel maris

    Rossi’s beyond the goodwill stage now. He has to show progress. Clearly and unambiguously.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      Rossi is obligated only to his customers.

      • Lu

        Then why is he “chattering” so much?

        • Ryan

          He has a right to talk about his efforts and answer questions as he likes. Those that are on the outside and aren’t integral to the process (ie haven’t invested or are not working on it with him themselves) don’t have a right to demand answers from him. It is not that difficult a concept.
          Note that I am not saying that I am completely sure he will end up producing something. However I am not going to demand answers for something that I have no actual involvement with. I have patience and understand history enough to know that many, many projects and developments took a great deal of time (often many years if not decades) to reach usefulness beyond initial stages. Showing something to me, or you, or anyone on this forum who isn’t integral to the process is pointless right now.

          • Lu

            Then why is he “chattering” so much?

            • Omega Z

              Lu

              Many have asked this question or asked how he has time to post on his blog.

              Imagine setting for hours on end monitoring an E-cat. Not much to do but wait, but you have to be there.

              Or waiting on employees building a structure for a boiler or whatever or parts being machined. You have to be there. There may be questions or problems to deal with.

              I’m sure Rossi finds himself in this situation quite often. What would you do in Rossi’s situation to kill time & you have a computer available. Post about your favorite subject.

              • NJT

                You are sooo correct – been there and done that with my own patented inventions.

                Give him some air for the greatest invention of mankind…

  • Bigwilly

    Hi All,

    Isn’t this a recycled story from last year? With recycled and updated quotes?

    I dont remember Sven having this knowledge back then but now all of a sudden he does?

    Smells of complete bs!

    Ya ya ya, im a troll and mean for even asking the question

    BW

    • Bigwilly

      From the original article:

      “So NASA was the first American customer that bailed. Apparently they wanted to know how it worked and Rossi wanted to keep the secret for himself.
      Sven kullander did not know who the final costumer is.”

      • Omega Z

        Bigwilly

        In a video at the end of the test, Mat Lewan was talking about the E-cat & the test with an upbeat tone & a little wonderment. Then when asked about the customer, stated that he did not know who the customer was.

        I didn’t believe him. There was a slight change in his demeanor. A change in facial expression & a dart of the eyes to one side then back. A sign of deception. I decided then that if he didn’t know, he at least had a very strong Idea who it was.

        I suspect he new, but out of courtesy to Rossi, didn’t say. I’m sure Rossi asked Mat & others not to disclose certain things/details from the test that didn’t have to do with the test results.

        Note that many people were there that was not photographed, but seen only from the back. No Facial images. No discussion about them & statements from Mat & a couple others, that they were asked not to discuss or identify them.

  • andreiko

    We are waiting for an irrefutable proof that the e-catten of Dr. Rossi produce more energy than consume.There is an irrefutable proof as possible without his secret price case.There are necessary a setup of 2 cubes of transparent plastik with a content of 1 m 3 and equal dimensions, filled with water, cube A and B isolate the walls, the top side of A and B must be fully open.Then in both A and B a E-cat mount the configuration in A and B must be the same for accurate measurement.By now 1 of the E-to let the water effects and catten heating which he posted is the weight of the evaporated water can be determined accurately,so also the necessary calories of verampingswarmte a known physics.Nice possibility is A and B separately on a scale so that the difference of evaporation in A and B directly visible.Then release the cameras but buzzing.

    • andreiko

      Wij wachten op een onweerlegbaar bewijs dat de e-catten van Dr Rossi meer energie opleveren dan verbruiken.

      Er is een onweerlegbaar bewijs mogelijk zonder zijn geheim prijs tegeven.

      Er zijn nodig een opstelling van 2 kubussen van transparant plastik met een inhoud van 1m3 en gelijke afmetingen ,gevuld met water ,kubus A en B de wanden isoleren ,de boven kant van A en B moet geheel open zijn.

      Vervolgens in zowel A als B een E-cat monteren de configuratie in A en B moet het zelfde zijn voor nauwkeurige meting.Door nu 1 van de E-catten inwerking te zetten en het water te laten verwarmen waarin hij geplaatst is kan het gewicht van het verdampte water nauwkeurig vastgesteld worden,
      dus ook de benodigde calorieen van de verampingswarmte een bekend natuurkundig gegeven.Leuke mogelijkheid is A en B apart op een weegschaal te plaatsen,zodat het verschil van verdamping in A en B direkt zichtbaar is.Laat vervolgens de camera`s maar zoemen.

  • freethinker

    I remember this one. It kind of ticked me of as well earlier this year when nothing come to play. It could very well be the same customer as is talked about today. Things take time, and we want this to happen so fast.

    But I do understand the frustration and doubt. I have been there myself a couple of times. Maybe I will end up there again somewhere down the path. Most likely.

    Rossi does what Rossi does. He let us know from time to time. Do not fret. Meanwhile there are many other things happening that are LENR, that can be looked into, prodded, talked about, (and I am sure) trolled about.

    Like the MFMP:

    http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/replicate/progress-blog

    • freethinker

      And this was a reply to “Frank” (not admin I believe) who made a point about a 1MW Customer flagged a year ago, in a different thread completely … Either something is wrong with by browser ( do not think so as it was the same earlier today when was in via my mobile phone ) or sométhing funky is going on … Problems with the site admin? Or is it just me 🙂

  • Jim R.

    Didn’t I read about a year ago that the NRL shut down all LENR research: ” In fact the Navy had to shut down its LENR research in California after a news report attracted unwanted public attention.”

    http://prorevnews.blogspot.com/2012/09/cold-fusion-update.html

    What the heck?

    • Omega Z

      Jim R.

      Your thinking of SPAWAR, Not NRL
      Also a representative shortly after stated that the research Wasn’t discontinued, but rather transferred to a different agency better equipped to do this type of research.

      Incidentally, this was also shortly after Rossi was to have sold an E-cat to a Military Agency. A logical step for the Military would be a Consolidation of research in 1 place. Especially if Rossi has anything near what is stated. This would be at least a decade in advance in their research efforts with a single purchase.

      You can also conclude that they know exactly what his Secret Sauce is. Rossi’s own words stated that the technology to scan it while in operation exists & would expose the sauce.

      Here’s a side Note. People at the DOD, NASA, & others are working with & watching over many of these Developments. Letting each do his own thing, Their Own approach. Say if you & I were working on different approaches & I hit a roadblock. Something you have already overcome. They will share that Info with me & Vice-verse. If they aren’t sure of something, they will at least point me in the right direction. It would be their intention that several different Entities enter the market at close proximity of each other. They will not allow a monopoly & will accomplish this by helping 1 or holding 1 back. Whatever it takes.

  • timycelyn

    A fairly lengthy comment from rossi on his blog, in response to prodding about slipping timescales.

    Not that much news, but some restatement of perspective:

    Andrea Rossi
    November 8th, 2012 at 12:30 PM
    Dear Marco:
    I appreciate wholeheartedly the enthusiasm of our supporters, but sometime I have the impression that the difficulties we are fighting against are strongly underevaluated, just like to make a LENR industrial apparatus should be a normal thing. If I say that we will make a thing betwen October and November, this does not mean October 1st, could also mean Nov. 30st.
    Can also happen that new difficulties raise, so a delay comes up. The ITER scientists had foreseen to put their plant in operation 20 years ago. After 100 billions of (taxpayer’s) money, they today foresee that perhaps they will have a plant in operation in the next 50 years, after further hundreds of billion dollars, and the scientific context is comfortable with this. Theirpresent target is COP 1.1; we published our work in 2009 ( see Focardi-Rossi paper on this Journal). After 3 years and few millions ( of our private company, no public funding requested, no taxpayer money spent) we are manufacturing ( completely at our risks) plants of 1 MW, one of which will go in operation within February 2013 and will be exposed to the public after a period of operation ( 2-3 months). The plant will be put in the concern of a major world holding, which has signed with us an extremely important contract. The plant will heat a fluid. No electricity will be produced in the first plant, but obviously, due to the high temperature we are now able to reach, the coupling with turbines in a Carnot cycle is possible and will surely be made by the same Customer in the next plants. We still guarantee COP 6, even if the supposition that the COP can be increased is not groundless. The self sustained mode happens for approximately the 50% of the operational time. Well, after all this, somebody talks of infinite delays…well, let me say that some scientific context gives the impression not to be very scientific. We don’t bother, anyway, just work.
    As you can see, the answers are not confidential.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Peter_Roe

      Looks like Rossi may read GreenWin’s comments here about hot fusion! It would be good if the foot stampers listened to AR’s statement of obvious fact about timescales, but I doubt they will.

      • Frank

        Talking about timeframes – Do you know what happened with this sale?
        (one year ago):

        Andrea Rossi
        November 28th, 2011 at 6:48 PM
        Dear Herb Gills:
        Today we sold in the USA a 1 MW plant which will go to a normal Customer. This installation will be visitable by the qualified public.
        We wait to have completed the contractual procedure through the attorneys, then we will give communication. It will be in the North East of the USA, where I have been in these days.
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

        • freethinker

          See my comment above. It was intended for you, but some glitch in the system caused it to end up in the wrong place.

          • Omega Z

            freethinker

            Here’s a synapse of what happened according to different sources of info Including Statements made by Rossi. No solid proof, so this is mostly speculation using sources at hand.

            The October test E-cat was to be rebuilt for the 1st Customer who had contracted for a Dozen units overall. The Test unit had many problems with leaks Etc…

            With certain modifications & Improvements, a Completely New 1Mw E-cat was built & Delivered to the 1st customer.(It was quicker then rebuilding the test unit as dismantling takes nearly as long as building one.)

            The Original 1Mw test unit was then to be rebuilt & sold to the Private Customer. Upon near Completion of this rebuild, the 1st(Military Customer) wanted the 2nd E-cat delivery. The Private Customer was put on Hold. 2nd delivery made.

            With the 2nd unit sold came an influx of cash & now Rossi apparently has 2 teams working on the E-cat. 1 probably dedicated to the 1st Customer E-cats still to be delivered & the 2nd team working with him on the Hot Cat & the Private unit sales.

            Note that Rossi’s technicians have stated that after weeks of tests & a presentation to Rossi, Rossi says, Good work boys, but here’s a new & improved Core. They have to start all over.

            This would be a tough stage to deal with while trying to build product simultaneously. Time lines slip. But according to a statement by Cures, (The Pioneering stage is mostly done). A Stable production process can now begin. At least for the Low Temp.

            Maybe Cures is overly Optimistic, Tho Rossi seems happy with his present Hot Cat core, Until it’s encased into a 1Mw unit, there could still be changes for unexpected problems. But the delays should become shorter & farther between. Time-lines easier to keep. Improvements less disruptive. We Hope…

            Something many probably don’t consider is that each 10Kw unit has to be hand built. Then Individually test run for an appropriate amount of time(??) & Data acquisition. Then incorporated into the 1Mw container. Finally after all this is done would be a test run of the 1Mw container. This would be a very time consuming process, But necessary until reliability factors can determines otherwise.

    • ivan_ceav

      This just means if hot fusion will overall take about 100 year to reach a cop of 1.0001, We must wait happily 50 years for Rossi, what rossi does not realize is that hot fusion works on already tested solid principles, and the ecat run on untested unproven theories so no point to relate one to the other here. No one is asking for the ecat to be commercial tomorrow, just prove of concept is what is needed.
      and for those taking about pseudo sceptic pseudo means false so a pseudo sceptic will be a believer.

      • Omega Z

        Or a False Skeptic with ulterior motives.

      • Peter_Roe

        As Omega says, a ‘pseudo’ skeptic is someone who pretends to be a skeptic (one who doubts) in order to carry out a disinformation agenda. Does that ring any bells?

  • georgehants

    From Oilprice.com
    Rossi’s Investors Talk about the Progress of his E-Cat
    By Brian Westenhaus | Wed, 07 November 2012
    The first folks to put up money for the Andrea Rossi E-Cat are the territorial distributors. Whatever any of us might think, these folks have the wherewithal and fortitude to get in for the business future. What the business might turn out to be is still quite the item for discussion, but 150 years ago the smartest doctors said there were no germs.
    More time will tell.
    Brian Wang found an interview of a distributor in Italy that is formatted in “ten questions” that are sure to have been edited both for clarity and brevity. We also have to deal with a Google translation to learn what’s been said.
    Aldo Proia.
    Luciano Saporito interviewed Aldo Proia, Chairman and CEO of Prometeon Ltd. a licensee company of the E-Cat in Italy.
    Briefly, so as not to overrun Saporito’s work we’ll have a quick summary.
    http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Rossis-Investors-Talk-about-the-Progress-of-his-E-Cat.html

  • georgehants

    For those who are aware of the ability of Ramanujan to gain insight from some deep place.
    Is it possible that Mr. Rossi (if genuine) and others are doing the same thing.
    —–
    New Scientist
    Physics & Math 08 November 2012 by Jacob Aron
    —-
    Mathematical proof reveals magic of Ramanujan’s genius
    PROOFS are the currency of mathematics, but Srinivasa Ramanujan, one of the all-time great mathematicians, often managed to skip them. Now a proof has been found for a connection that he seemed to mysteriously intuit between two types of mathematical function.
    The proof deepens the intrigue surrounding the workings of Ramanujan’s enigmatic mind. It may also help physicists learn more about black holes – even though these objects were virtually unknown during the Indian mathematician’s lifetime.
    http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21628904.200-mathematical-proof-reveals-magic-of-ramanujans-genius.html?cmpid=RSS|NSNS|2012-GLOBAL|online-news

  • georgehants

    Global Breakthrough Energy Movement Conference this Friday through Sunday in Holland?
    November 9-11, 2012
    We are holding an international conference this November, with top researchers, inventors, business leaders and policy makers. The program will cover the past, present and future in breakthrough energy technologies. This conference is meant to serve as an evolutionary catalyst to initiate a global movement to unite, take action and FREE THE ENERGY.
    http://globalbem.com/

    • artefact

      From their program on Sunday:

      David Nagel will talk about:
      A New Workforce Will Be Needed for LENR

      “If, as planned, many power and energy sources based on LENR are produced and sold, it will be necessary to educate a workforce in their design, manufacture, installation, maintenance and other functions. This will require knowledgeable managers, engineers, technicians and sales people. The fact that LENR are still not understood makes teaching about them a challenge. The current very early stages of engineering and manufacturing, and the lack of a commercial base of experience, also complicate teaching about LENR. Approaches to teaching about LENR will be cited.”

      • GreenWin

        David is a valuable leader in LENR education. As he points out, there is a challenge to teach a technology we don’t fully understand. On the other hand we train neurosurgeons by the thousands and we actually understand perhaps 10% of how the brain functions.

        Same with medicine and engineering. Lack of complete understanding should not prevent our willingness to teach and learn.

  • b4FreeEnergy

    Why is it so hard for certain people to believe Rossi has what he says he has? Like adding (“if it is true”) every second sentence they write … Really!

    You start wondering how the priests and the clergy of our world manage to get so many people inside churches and mosques without ever giving any prove that the ‘believers’ go there for a valid reason! Not to mention third party verifications by independant researchers to proof there really is something out there!

    Weird world we live in! 🙂

    • GreenWin

      Not only do priests/clergy get people inside their sanctuaries, they get ’em to make a donation$ before they leave!

  • GreenWin

    What’s the big deal about NRL? Hell, one of their scientists sits on Rossi’s Board of Advisers. Is it really hard to grok the R&D relationship? Funding? Final Acceptance contract signed off by a key figure?

    Not much of a stretch. Navy deserves credit for pioneering cold fusion research in the face of unlighted wits. Thank you SECNAV.

    • georgehants

      GreenWin, it is most important that at the end of the day G.B. ends up somehow getting most of the credit for Cold Fusion.
      Not quite sure how we are going to do that at the moment but many great minds must be working on the problem.

      • GreenWin

        Ha! George, you and I know the “credit” as such rightly belongs with P&F and the very courageous handful of scientists and engineers that continued the work even after the orthodox witch hunt was over. I’m sure G.B. will lay claim to some of the heretics, Dr. Fleischmann being one. And at U.S. DOD they’re already scrambling for “credit” between Navy, DARPA, NASA, and ABC agency.

        Places that will unfortunately NOT get credit include the world’s great institutions of higher learning (MIT, Oxford, Cal Tech, UEA, etc) and national research centers (excepting Italy’s ENEA.) Oh, Huizenga, Park, Koonin et al get to wear their dunce caps on holidays!

        • Peter_Roe

          “…Huizenga, Park, Koonin..” If I had my way their dunce caps would be riveted to their skulls. But then I always was liberal softie.

        • georgehants

          GreenWin, I am so daft I forgot about Fleischmann being a Brit.
          So that’s it, all the credit belongs to us and we didn’t even have to send in a gunboat.

          • GreenWin

            George, G.B. (and former colonies) should never pass up gunboat diplomacy. First, take credit. THEN send in gunboat to rattle sabers from safe distance.

    • lcd

      I don’t think there are loss of people disputing he had the ability to do LENR+. There is simply a growing concern about his ability to control it and even more so to commercialize it.

      Of course just being able to demonstrate it with some regularity would be Nobel prize stuff.

      LENR+ that is. Apparently regular low power LENR is all measurement error still.

    • robyn wyrick

      It’s a big deal to me. “One of their scientists” is excellent, as you say, but that they are the purchaser of the industrial e-cat is very big news to have confirmed.

      I live in the U.S., and it really matters to me that the Federal Govt is pursuing this so seriously.

  • BS drinker

    If NRL bought an 1MW e-cat it must be a brand new one because the “one” that everybody saw at Oct 2011 demo is still steady planted in Bologna Rossi’s workshop. What a fun this man!
    S and K didn’t look very deeply. The trick wasn’t in some hidden wires. Today even pebbles know that it was sitting in the calorimetry measurement method.
    Cheers

  • vbasic

    Sven verified the thought many of us had as to where the first 1MW plant ended up at NRL (Naval Research Lab} It gave me chills because, only 2 days earlier I was reading the comments section in the Popsci article on Rossi. Near the very bottom dated 11/1/12 was Mark LeClair of NanoSpire. He also worked with Naval Research Lab. He talked about the infamous MaryYugo who may have had friends in NRL who he believes help cover up wrong doing there. He seems to think nrl shoddy lab procedures help cause the radiation sickness, he and Lebid received. Then he says: “Yugo also falsely claimed that the Navy tested our device for comparison against Rossi, this isn’t true either. We were doing basic research together with no intent of making any comparisons.” So apparently Rossi and LeClair shared information. I remember sometime last year LeClair was upset because someone working with LeClair supposedly gave secrets to Rossi. If the ecat was nothing, LeClair wouldn’t have been upset. Well, to me this shows the 1MW was indeed real and sold. It’s interesting how the people involved in LENR cross paths. IEven the pseudo skeptic MaryYugo)
    http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-10/andrea-rossis-black-box

    • Omega Z

      vbasic

      You don’t know the half of it. Been doing some digging & the Connections are everywhere. Sidney Kimmel funding of University of Missouri-Robert Duncan. Connected to people who work in the Electric power division of Siemens, Connected to Max Planck Center. It’s like a Web.

      • Bruno

        A good web of people and institutions that seem to be pushing LENR rather than burying it.

        • GreenWin

          A refreshing change it is.

  • lcd

    If NRL was the first customer then it was a well kept secret. It also doesn’t make too much sense because the people at NRL are closely associated with the people at NASA and if you recall NASA did attempt to test Rossi’s MW plant to no avail, so they buy one?

    Seems a bit far fetched.

    Why the secrecy with Rossi but openess with DGT?

    Doesn’t add up.

    • GreenWin

      You’ve got to be kidding. With all these guv’mnt departments there is intense competition. Even between NRL locations. There is a contract signed by the buyer of the 1MW unit. His signature is found elsewhere. And if you recall, the LENR news blackout started after a Fox News reporter called to verify the presence of a SPAWAR scientist at the 1MW demo.

      NASA demanded money from Rossi to “test” his device. He wisely turned them down.

      • lcd

        No im not kidding. While there is in general competition it does not really apply her.the community is not that big Green.

        Besides if like to think i would have known about that.

        I have not though ruled out A DARPA office.

        • NJT

          lcd,

          So where do you fit in as a member of the government “communities” you reference. IMHO, revealing that to all here would give your statements some/more credibility…

          • lcd

            You can Google my handle NJT

  • Nixter

    There may be enough information on the purported 1Mw E-Cat purchase to now try a FOI (Freedom Of Information), request. To have any chance of getting a useful reply, the FOI filer must have usable, specific information to narrow the search to within a reasonable degree of accuracy. A simple request asking if an E-Cat was obtained in the last 14 months would not be specific enough, a search will not be attempted without sufficient search criterion. Armed with the name of the agency (NRL),involved in the purchase and the approximate date and the physical description of the actual device, (The 1Mw E-Cat),obtaining confirmation via an official FOI request may be worth a try. If any such transaction was made by the NRL in the clear, they are supposed to release the information.

    However, FOI requests response time can be many months, this information may be completely irrelevant by then.

  • http://www.zazzle.com/energyrevolution Tony McDougall

    Is this the most reliable confirmation that the 1st 1MW plant customer was the NRL?

    I recall that name came up in a previous story titled “Celani Reports from ICCF-17” back on 15th August.

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/08/celani-reports-from-iccf-17/

    • jfab

      It’s not a confirmation at all, it’s only what Rossi said to Kullander, it has no value by itself (just “Rossi says”).

  • Roger Bird

    This is very encouraging. We await the big day when the dams of incredulity break and the waters of LENR wash across the land.

    • GreenWin

      Those dams broke for me years ago. Just read the peer-reviewed lit. But if you want to see how skeps will react – read a few of the meltdown rants from the conservative right wing that lost the American election. They’re still incredulous. These are guys in hard core denial. Karl Rove, Ron Parker… two peas in a pod. 🙂

      • Roger Bird

        Me. Don’t forget me. I am so stupid as to believe that taxes and conscription etc are coerced. Silly me. Of course government is a giant cornucopia of wish fulfillment, a charity that every good person would want to participate in. How could I be so stupid?

      • Roger Bird

        It is not LENR that I am having trouble with. It is commercializable uber-LENR, mostly Rossi.

  • HHiram

    Very encouraging, but, alas, still anecdote. Does Sven have any data?

  • AB

    Thanks to Mr. Ericsson for sharing.

    • Hampus

      You’re welcome.

      • clovis

        Hi, Hampus,
        Great article, and thanks for confirmation on what we all had figured, also that this 3 party did find evidence of extra heat so long ago.
        And that the navy research lab was the first costumer.
        I’ll have to put this post in my rossi file. –big smile

      • David

        Thanks Hampus, good work!

    • R101

      +1 🙂