Rossi: First Hot Cat Plant to Start Operations in Feb 2013

Here’s a comment from Andrea Rossi that I think deserves its own thread.

Yes, Leonardo Corp is very much powerful now. I can already say that the first 1 MW hot cat will go in operation within February 2013. It will not be a military application, therefore selected persons will be allowed to visit it. It will be installed in a big power production and distribution plant. This is the new. The plant is made in the USA.

An extremely important agreement has been signed after the tests of the Hot Cat, which are going on since June in the USA and in Italy. The details will be communicated only after the plant will have been working for enough time to be visitable, also to avoid clubs in the wheels.

That’s all I can say right now.

Note that he is here referring to the Hot Cat, not the low temperature E-Cat. Rossi has mentioned numerous times that one low temperature plant will be installed at a non-military location somewhere — in Italy as I understand it — so this is apparently a different istallation.

Rossi says that this plant is ‘made’ in the USA, not that it will be installed there. If a 1 MW Hot-Cat unit can be made as compact as he says (about the size of an oil barrel) it should not be a problem to transport it anywhere in the world.

  • Bill Hill

    Time for a grand demonstration that Edison or Tesla would be proud of? Why not find a large open air swimming pool, place a large 1MW unit right next to it, connect up the mains and show that the Ecat can heat the water for an extended period of time, days or weeks, while only costing a few $$$ to run. Now I think that would silence any critics?

    • LCD

      It is almost an art to come up with a TV/Showroom demo that cannot be argued as fake.

      • Robert Mockan

        Critics and skeptics would claim somebody photoshopped the demo, and that data from the demo needed verification. The problem is not lack of evidence. Understanding anything new takes effort to learn, and time.

    • Rockyspoon

      As a businessman, if I were constructing Hot Cats, your request would be the last thing considered.

      Why?

      It doesn’t add to my “bottom line”–there are enough people willing to try it out after a personal demo that there’s no need to make anybody proud, Bill.

      In fact, why convince the skeptics of the world when all that would do is bring their wrath down on your head?

      I’m pretty sure you don’t have any stock in any company for which the demo you suggest would have any impact–you’re just hypothesizing regarding a non-existing problem.

      Have you ever heard Rossi complain that nobody takes him seriously?

      Neither have I.

  • LCD

    Now you have to consider this statement in light of more fantastic Rossi says. From Pop Sci

    “The director of the Hot Cat test, a retired colonel and friend of Rossi’s, leaked the test results on the Web a week after Rossi sent them to me. The enthusiastic colonel “could not help to talk about this event and the remarkable results,” Rossi said on his blog. Rossi used the occasion to make another big announcement: The University of Bologna would conduct a new independent test of the Hot Cat and publish the results in October. When I contacted Dario Braga, vice rector for research at the University of Bologna, he unequivocally denied any official relationship between the university and Rossi. “I’m not aware of any work being done by our scientists with Mr. Rossi in a formally correct way,” Braga said. “I don’t know how Mr. Rossi can say this.”

    • LCD

      Of course he is referring to this statement

      Andrea Rossi
      August 11th, 2012 at 3:35 AM

      INFORMATION:
      AFTER THE LEAKAGE MADE BY AN INSIDER WITH THE THE NICKNAME “CURES” REGARDING THE TESTS COMPLETED ON JULY 16TH, WHICH HAD TO REMAIN UNDER NDA, I HAVE TO INFORM THAT:
      THE TEST MADE ON JULY 16TH WILL BE REPEATED OFFICIALLY WITHIN THE HALF OF OCTOBER 2012 BY THE UNIVERSITY OF BOLOGNA AND THE RESULTS WILL BE PUBLISHED BY THE SAME UNIVERSITY.
      ANDREA ROSSI

      so I’m not sure how you reconcile these two opposing statements without just saying somebody is telling a “whopper”.

    • LCD

      “formally correct way” So maybe informally this is being done in which case it opens up another can of worms.

      Just so frustrating with Rossi

  • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

    Andrea Rossi
    October 31st, 2012 at 8:40 PM
    Dear Daniel G. Zavela:
    I think that Jennifer Oulette is right, as well as are right the Journalist of Forbes et Al: they are just saying: ” please do something that really works, and we will be happy to know”. I would say the same thing at their place.
    This is why I think chatters are useless. We have to put plants in operation. The sole plant we made cannot be published, but soon we will deliver civil plants. Why lose time in chatters? The attention of professional scientific Journalists is anyway positive, they are giving us attention. Obviously they want to have evidence and evidence can come only from plants in operation, because theoretical chatters and laboratory results can only raise confusion. “All we need is plants” (eventually love will be granted).
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Karl

      Pekka,
      I think it’s a good comment by Rossi and as he knows that he can make such a statement. Once he will come out in the media light with his products, he will need also current deniers to go him. And of course there will be many snakes that will shift skin that day.

      Following Cold Fusion evolvement fairly closely but on the side line, I disagree with Rossi on the one eyed tone of the article by Jennifer Oulette and that she refuses to accept comments on her blog from top Cold Fusion scientists like Ed Storms.

      I must say I have some sympathy for Mark Gibbs, Forbes and I believe his engagement have spread the message that something is about to happen in the area of Cold Fusion, which is of course not only about Rossi even though he plays a very important role.

      Rossi has said from the first time I head him about 2 years ago, that he need to deliver working products on the market instead of becoming obstacle by the corrupted main stream scientific community. I can understand his reluctance to show everything for anyone to early but rather keep the interest on a hot level. Form my judgement, it appears now it seems to go according to plan for him and that should be god for us all that wants a real breakthrough in this segment.

      • captain

        … And of course there will be many snakes that will shift skin that day…

        Their skins to be … recycled to make lady handbags in Leopard corp…

        • Karl

          Perhaps a good business opportunity:)

    • georgehants

      Clear that Mr. Rossi is very aware that he has not given clear indisputable Evidence of any E-Cat device.
      Therefore all his sometimes strange actions point to a very good reason, in his opinion, for the delay.

    • kwhilborn

      Never; will Rossi want published analyses of his work. Not until the catalyst and other such secrets find themselves common knowledge. Already people suspect the catalyst is Potassium, but it is unconfirmed.

      Instead of home units, Rossi proceeded with the Hot cat and will fulfill huge multiple orders to large corporations or governments that he thinks can be trusted to keep the secrets involved.

      Secrecy is necessary.

      We are talking about a device that is very simple technically with no moving parts except for possibly a loading door. A flashlight from your local dollar store is more complicated to build.

      Once working plans become public then blackmarket ecats will become commonplace. Thousands of people who lost their “solar power” jobs and other green tech jobs might start building them in their basements. You could be caught driving down the street with a thousand ecats in your truck and if you got searched you would have nothing illegal.

      The Chinese will look like rookies when it comes to reproducing this technology as it will be built freely under the noses of police and authorities. What protection does Rossi have? Can he catch and sue everyone building these?

      The ecat will start a building boom unlike any other in history, and that includes building the ecats themselves.

      I think that the responsible thing for mankind would have been to release this open source from the get go, but Andrea Rossi viewed it as dollar signs instead of lives saved via fresh air, lives saved from desalination, and laves saved from possibly reversing global warming.

      Now he has investors so dollar signs will rule the day.

      This means you have a hope in hell of EVER seeing a home unit until Blackmarket ones already exist. It really is common senses. Just think of it for a while.

    • LCD

      The piece by krivit was like the blind leading the blind there.

      Krivit [paraphrased]”I was sure it was cold fusion but realized I was wrong and now I’m sure it’s WL so believe me. So if you consider that in your article you’d have more credibility”

      What??

      • Rockyspoon

        Krivit has cold fusion envy.

        End of story.

  • hempenearth

    I hope the “big power production and distribution plant” doesn’t buy and install the 1MW Hot Cat and then announce to the world that it doesn’t work! Good insurance for Rossi would be to have at least one other 1 MW Hot Cat sold to say a building developer without a vested interest in selling other forms of energy.

    • Thomas

      Why should they say that? The main interest is to make money and if they can make more money by using ecats, why shouldn’t they do that?

      • captain

        It’s understood that the first Hot Plant is only the beginning of a long series.

      • kwhilborn

        Oil companies will lose 99.9% of their business once this technology takes over. Some think vested parties have been and will conspire to bury technologies that will hurt profits.

        I think anyone invested in oil also is diversified enough nowadays that they also own Coca-cola and McDonalds so they can absorb a portion of their portfolio fading away. They are also probably mostly elderly and are more concerned about their planet and progeny living in a clean air world. However that is just a hope.

        • Rockyspoon

          Just think of how much better victims of Sandy would have been if most houses had a miniature Hot Cat running? While some homes were destroyed, those people could go to neighbors that had hot water, electricity, and warm homes.

          The utility companies just might let neighborhoods running Hot Cats stay that way–the reconstruction costs wouldn’t be worth it.

          2013 will be the year of the Hot Cat.

  • Roger Bird

    And when February 2013 rolls around, the first Hot Cat plant will be a secret in some undisclosed location west of London, or something like that.

  • jacob

    I believe Mr. Rossi is making great progress,butI have to wonder about all the disruptive ,negative comment coming from people we know nothing about,who’s biggest accomplishments in their lives would be filling thousands of diapers.

    Rossi has brought on this LENR technology,all those who confirmed LENR Cold Fusion works,have simply copied his work and concepts.

    • stuey81

      didnt F&P come up with it and rossi copied their concept in actual fact?

      • Karl

        This kind of ignorant comments are just silly. You better stop with it. Any one involved in real R&D learn from the past.

        • jacob

          but who actually built a working unit in the KW’s …….ROSSI

        • jacob

          not ignorant ,but reality

      • Omega Z

        stuey81

        Actually the concept predates P&F.

        All have built on others previous knowledge.

        • captain

          Rossi succeded because he tried to go against some rules of the known official physics. That’s the point.

      • Rockyspoon

        F & P did some great groundwork, but even they weren’t the first to investigate “cold fusion”. Farnsworth, the inventor of television, was working on the “fusor” when he passed away.

        And there were others before Farnsworth.

        But Rossi’s concept, while building on F & P, is different in the materials used and the approach taken.

  • Vudu

    I have hypothesis that in background of this fanatical refuse to publish some validation or independent test are his comrades-advisers ex-waarmongers. They probably fooled him with promises of more orders from soon to bankruupt powerplant companies and these ex-waarmongers now playing their own political games with their confidential knowledge. Poor distributors interests was sacrified – without validation they are capable sell max 1/20 of possible number of e-cats

    • jacob

      voodoo,Give me a break,who needs peer review or independant test for dummies anyway,there is nothing fanatical to have a good strategy ,If leonardo corp decided third party tests to be done,they would have by now,they are building and selling these units everywhere most likely,why would leonardo want unwanted publicity from the media,at a time when the company is growing at a steady rate, without to much resistance ,they want to be left alone ,to do what they do best.

      Publishing all information about all their business,would be detrimental to their future,to become strong and powerful and rich is the first priority,to be able to survive all opposition.

      • captain

        ‘voodoo’ grandson or ‘Vodoo’ father or ‘Vudu’ son?

  • georgehants

    In my opinion not a very helpful reply from Mr. Rossi.
    —–
    tom conover
    October 31st, 2012 at 1:47 PM
    Dear Mr. Rossi,
    Thank you for the exciting news about the sale of a hot cat plant, and also for the internal ecat validation report. I know it is not in your control when a third party report will be published, but you must have emailed or phoned the third party as any business person would have to obtained a recent statement from this party as to their latest estimate of a release date for this report. When do they think this report will be produced? If they haven’t checked with them lately, will you please do so for us? Many are saying “delay, promise, delay, new date, delay, new date” and while I personally think great progress is being made, should I continue to plan on this tech becoming available for “We the PEOPLE” within perhaps 2 – 5 years or so?
    The idiot from Forbes is getting under my skin with his sarcasm, and there appears to be a possibly very very long time remaining to wait before the e-cat is vindicated, can you think of any way to soothe this angst? I will continue to believe, because I want to, and even because I must.
    Sometimes, though, all it takes is one tiny mustard seed to move a mountain!
    I hopefully await a reply from you, kind sir. Regardless, keep up the good work.
    Warm regards,
    Tom Conover
    ——
    Andrea Rossi
    October 31st, 2012 at 4:13 PM
    Dear Tom Conover:
    We always maintained the scheduling we said and we always did what we said we should have done.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Rockyspoon

      Helpful to whom?

      Rossi just wants to be left alone so he can get his business going.

      I’m surprised Rossi comments as much as he does–if it were me, I’d go silent but continue to build Hot Cats.

      What’s not to love?

  • georgehants

    Andrea Rossi
    October 31st, 2012 at 4:09 PM
    Dear Gian Luca:
    Allow me to correct you: our patent is still pending. The EPO just asked us more information and our attorneys are working on it. Patents of this kind of complexity are normally subject to many discussions, which can last years.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • captain

      George, have U noticed how this blog is going day after day more polluted by trolls?

      IMO this is not a good behaviour: hopefully Frank can remedy to this situation!

      BTW Rossi knows wery well was he has to do: he’s unstoppable. His hot plants, brevets and patents pending or not pending, it’s enough with a safety certifications only now as now to flood the industrial market and shut skeptics mouth.
      And very soon the energy production at very low cost will open minds of USPTO and UL in US and similarly in EU.

      In the meantime, Frank plz try to moderate here what needs to be moderated. Unless…

      • Miles

        +1. I’m not much of a forum poster (but a daily eager reader) yet some of the posts are just waffle/ridicule or BS.

        On topic: I’m sure 2013 will be a great year I feel for the 1MW Hot cat. News slowly coming in from Rossi “agreement signed”. I was hoping for a juicy announcement before end of 2012 :/

        As for the 10kw e-Cat, I don’t think the http://www.e-cataustralia.com website (or Rossi) will make or have an e-cat for the mid 2013 product for households to use, even though I’ve got my name down on their waiting list.

  • Morgan

    Rossi keeps talking about things being manufactured in the US? Didn’t some nuclear inspector go to see what was going on and he found that Rossi was not manufacturing ANYTHING in the US and Rossi even told him he was not making anything in the US? WTF IS GOING ON!?!?!?!

    • georgehants

      Morgan, interesting point but why ask what is going on, if you have some Evidence you tell us.

      • john_missouri

        sounds like Morgan is having another hissy fit )

        • GreenWin

          Might I suggest a retreat to ecatnews?? They share your remorse and tattered dignity.

        • Jim

          Simple solution Morgan: configure your browser to block this site.

          • GreenWin

            But then Morgan’s assignment would be over.

        • Peter_Roe

          I think we need to show some sympathy for the poor trolls. After all, they’re just trying to do their jobs, but they seem to have less and less to work with, and have to keep repeating themselves to fill the space. My heart goes out to them.

          • Morgan

            what? I believe LENR is real. I just think Rossi is lying…

            • captain

              I believe that U are in the wrong blog here, all the best in other sites.

    • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

      Um, that was some months ago before Rossi even had come up with the hot-cat. WTF is likely going on is that things change with time. Further, Rossi is talking about introducing one hot-cat. Thats somewhat different than having a production line.

  • georgehants

    Ha, I see we have a gang of the intellectually deep thinkers on page today.
    I for one am certainly impressed with their deep and profound reasoning.
    They should have no trouble grasping and answering a very simple question.
    —Can you please put up the clear Evidence that shows that Rossi et al are not genuine.
    I do not mean your opinions but clear indisputable Evidence.
    As soon as you put this up on page I will stop waiting for the Truth to materialise, and agree you have done us all a favour.
    If you cannot now put up that clear Evidence then it may be a good idea to go back to sleep until the picture becomes more clear and defined.

    • phlarbeer

      There is, I believe, no doubt a 1+ unity, EROEI+, COP 6+, etc proposition exists with LENR, or whatever that process H+Ni^ may be named (but not CF different issue), trick is to demonstrate emphatically that it has been tamed an has reasonable prospects of ready for use [RFU]consumption.

    • phlarbeer

      OOps re-post sorry.