Remarks by Leonardo Corporation’s Gianvico Pirazzini

Many thanks to E-Cat World reader Renzo for providing the following translation of remarks made at the recent E-Cat conference in Pordeneone, Italy by Gianvico Pirazzini, an architect in Bologna, and a member of Leonardo Corporation’s team. We English speakers are at a disadvantage in many ways with so much important information coming from Italy, and I know that readers here will join me in thanking Renzo for his important contributions. I have bolded a few sections that I found particularly interesting for emphasis

Good day, my name is Gianvico Pirazzini, I am an architect of Bologna, and I’ve been part of eng. Rossi’s team for about 2 years. I was initially involved in the Ecat project to fix the domestic version. Subsequently, and later I’ll explain why, I’ve been working on the industrial version. Also architect Pio Ruggeri of Bologna would have been present today with me, unfortunately he was involved in a serious car accident and he said it will have it for a few weeks. Best wishes for healing, I hope he recovers as soon as possible because we have a crazy lot of work to do.

Well: the stone age did not end because the stones were gone, the era of commercial sailing ships did not end because the galleons on the high seas had no more more wind that blew the sails, the age of oil, intended as an energy source, will not end because there will not be more oil wells or reservoirs. History is replete with examples of technological revolutions that led to see and interpret the world, since they had been applied on a large scale, in a completely different way from before.

Another feature of these revolutions, and technical evolutions, of these changes, is that the witnesses, the protagonists, rarely notice it. If they find out they see it after the revolution, once the change has occurred. And it is rare that this is normal.

We at Leonardo corporation, we are absolutely aware of what we have at hand, we are fully aware of what we are running and we are absolutely certain that in a relatively short period of time, and I’m talking no more than a few years, this technology will be able to change the world.

The devices, both domestic and industrial (sorry I often use the term domestic because it is the first device on which I started to work), that the genius of Rossi has created, are capable of producing significant amounts of energy in a clean and, above all, cheap way. The E-Cat combines, in a device a little bigger than a shoe box, the power of nuclear reactions associated with the benefits of renewable energy.

The elements of activation of the reaction are absolutely common and absolutely safe: hydrogen and nickel. And, at the end of the process, most important of all, we do not have any residue that may be dangerous or harmful to the environment.

What we are implementing, and we know what we are doing, is a revolution in the energy field by applying a low energy nuclear reaction.

Eng. Rossi and Leonardo Corporation are using all the resources available to give to the market as soon as possible and, broadly speaking, to humanity, the benefits of this technology. Clean inexhaustible energy, and, above all, at a fraction of the cost.

At present, after the decision to postpone the production of domestic Ecats, the 1 MW plants (which are the pictures that some of you have seen on the web, a container with strange things inside) are no longer prototypes but are already pre-production elements. We are not talking about experiments, we are talking about objects that have already passed the validation of an international entity for the monitoring of safety.

The COP, i.e. the ratio between the energy input and the energy output, from this first production of 1 MW industrial containers is about 1 to 6 (being on the side of safety as a value). We chose to …. a COP 1:6 for reasons of safety, reliability, control, but especially of humility towards a technology and a form of energy that nobody before the engineer Rossi pulled it out of the bottle, knew.

  • georgehants

    Hmmm.

  • georgehants

    Steven N. Karels
    October 28th, 2012 at 6:54 AM
    Dear Andrea Rossi,
    For Hot eCat applications, is there any advangate for either heat transfer purposes or architecturally to combine a Thermal eCat complex with a Hot eCat complex? Use the Thermal eCat complex to preheat the water into steam. Use Hot eCat to only increase the steam temperature and pressure to the working point.
    Return steam and water could be separated and the water re-introduced to the Thermal eCat. While lower temperature steam would go directly to the Hot eCat complex. It might make your heat transfer design easier.
    —-
    Andrea Rossi
    October 28th, 2012 at 7:51 AM
    Dear Steven N. Karels:
    Yes, this is a possibility.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • georgehants

    I am happy today because my wife returns tomorrow from another of her month long trips to Ghana.
    She takes water filters to the villages and small teaching aids for the children.
    Why is this necessary, because of capitalism.
    With production in the World at an amazing high and things like Cold Fusion, that could hopefully put millions more out of work, only the pointless continuation of a system that is far passed it’s sell by date, means that people are still worried about paying bills etc etc.
    Only productivity and the sensible use of a much shortened working life is necessary for the whole World to prosper and enjoy.

    • lcd

      Not sure of you are for or against rewarding people for hard work.

      • georgehants

        lcd, very much for, but all hard work that is for a futile purpose is pointless.
        Only hard work for the good off all is worthwhile.
        My point is very easy to understand and irrefutable but takes some explaining.
        Either Admin allows on here if anybody is interested,
        or in forums would be appropriate.
        Unfortunately many people have been programed to never look at Facts but to abuse and debunk any thinking beyond Dogma out of hand.
        Anybody willing to open their mind here I am.

      • Daniel Steward

        I don’t think you understand capitalism. Capitalism is all about maximizing profit while minimizing loss. On the loss side of the ledger is labor. Any good capitalist will attempt to cut labor costs any way that they can. Capitalism worked for the little guy in a world where everything was made by hand but the industrial revolution allowed capitalism to be used to concentrate wealth into the hands of fewer and fewer people by cutting labor out of the equation. Under these conditions capitalism will fail.

  • georgehants

    Some people will be unaware that a like/dislike button only shows how a mind is operating with no concern for the correctness or science of a comment.
    If I go to ECN and put up an abusing negative comment about Rossi, I will likely get many likes.
    Getting a like for a comment saying there are no scientifically interesting UFO’s, only shows the number of people thinking outside of any scientific parameters.

  • georgehants

    Another subject that like Cold Fusion has been dismissed and debunked by science since the discovery of electricity and magnetism.
    Because some rouges where selling the health benefits of magnetism that seemed unscientific because the Placebo Effect was ignored, science in it’s usual closed-minded, incompetent way branded any medical uses of magnetism as, impossible.
    How many people have suffered because the competent research was not undertaken.
    I am not referring to magnetism as used in CAT scans etc but it’s direct effect on the mind etc.
    Much of science appears to be like going to art school, if one cannot think then become a scientist.
    —–
    Magnetic brain stimulation treats depression independent of sleep effect.
    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-10/ghsu-mbs102612.php

    • Chris

      I don’t get how you mean: “seemed unscientific because the Placebo Effect was ignored” because it would tend to work somewhat the opposite way around.

  • Sanjeev

    Professor revisits fusion work from two decades ago

    http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2012/oct/28/professor-revisits-fusion-work-from-two-decades/

    Quote:
    Mark Prelas, now a professor in the Nuclear Science and Engineering Institute, was forced to stop the work when his then-supervisor cut off his funding.
    This year, he was able to resurrect his neutron-producing experiment thanks to the new Sidney Kimmel Institute for Nuclear Renaissance, or SKINR, at MU.

    • artefact

      From that article:


      This was incredible to us,” Prelas said in an email. “The neutron production went on for five minutes and then I decided to put the device back into liquid nitrogen to shut the reaction down. We thermal shocked the device two more times and each time we produced large neutron bursts.”

  • georgehants

    This is my forth attempt to put up this report as I cannot figure out what is sending it to moderation.
    Worth a read I think.
    Dr. Myron Evans
    Thoughts on Science, History, Poetry and Politics
    Interest in LENR
    http://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/10/27/interest-in-lenr/

    • georgehants

      Ha, success, your not the only one Peter.

      • Peter_Roe

        It’s lost interest in me I think, George – you may be its new target!

        • georgehants

          It may have been trying to figure out what a “Shakespeare” was.
          Perhaps it thought it means a very angry man shaking a spear and determined that was to aggressive.

          • R101

            Maybe the auto-moderation could be replaced by human moderators?

            • georgehants

              I think the machine is only on when Admin takes a few hours to sleep etc.
              Of course Admin should stay awake 24/7 but in these easy times people never keep their noses to the grindstone as in days of yore, Ha.

              • R101

                georgehants for vice-admin.
                All in favor click “like” 🙂

                • georgehants

                  No, No, No, I would remove everybody who disagrees with me.
                  After A week I would be on my own.

                • captain

                  Admin Frank and/or Vice-Admin Geirge, for me no problem at all.

                  One thing I would suggest, anyhow: this blog as it is now, deserves to go on as it is now, with its pros and cons. And with or without a … captain 🙂

                  But I have another idea for our Admin: that’s to create a totally new blog (sibling) where talking of Rossi’s E-CAT technology, news, comments and the like would be reserved ONLY, repeat only to E-Cat tech TRUE BELIEVERS.
                  In such a way to render the discussion lean, fluent, without the ‘interference’ of voices outside the choir.
                  Thus absolutely forbidden to non-believers, skeptics, snakes, vipers, puppeteers and the like.
                  Absolutely ONLY and only reserved to people that trust in Rossi’s job and in the development of his devices.

                  I believe that this ‘parallel small blog’ could add more freedom of expression to everybody, mainly in in the actual existing blog, without being disturbed by captain’s opinions.

                  So, what above, to Admin’s kind attention with many thanks 😉

  • georgehants

    Joseph A.
    October 27th, 2012 at 2:44 PM
    Rossi,
    Question_1) Approximately how many engineers and technical managers do you have in your company and in partner companies which are supporting work on new cat designs or completing production units?
    Question_2) What percentage of this total technical work force currently reside in North America as compared to outside North America?
    —–
    Andrea Rossi
    October 27th, 2012 at 5:04 PM
    Dear Joseph A.:
    1- At the moment 27, considering the suppliyer’s engineers
    2- 70%
    Thankk you for your attention,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Peter_Roe

      Supplier’s engineers?

      [Baseless speculation mode – On]
      Assuming for want of any further information a 50/50 split, then Rossi has a team of a dozen or so in Italy (presumably the people who built the 1MW plant(s)) and a similar number of non-Leonardo people in the US. My guess is that the hook-up with ‘the supplier’ these people work for was the news Rossi wanted to announce but may have been asked to keep a lid on for a while.

      They are ‘engineers’ which obviously implies an engineering company, so I’m claiming an increased probability of a hit for my earlier speculations that Leonardo has formed a strategic alliance with a company connected with supply of industrial power generation equipment (as in ‘Leonardo Corp will not be the same from the next week’).
      [BSM – Off]

  • georgehants

    Dr. Myron Evans
    Thoughts on Science, History, Poetry and Politics
    Interest in LENR
    I can confirm that the thirty day returns for the diary or blog of aias.us continue to be dominated by low energy nuclear reaction, LENR, with intense interest in every note as it is produced. From 1st Jan. 2010 to present the diary has been read 125,384 times, self readings and spam excluded, from 143 countries. The only major countries that do not appear on the returns are Iran and China, bu twe know in other ways that thre is interest there too in ECE theory. Essentially all physicists now agree that LENR is repeatable and reproducible. AIAS explains is straightforwardly and in general by a combination of quantum tunnelling and resonant absorption. There are many other theories, but the ECE theory is the only one that successfully unifies all aspects of physics. The way in which ECE has been accepted is in itself a democratic revolution in contemporary physics education. It has defeated the purges and blocking tactics of the small and obsolete standard faction, a bit like Cromwell adn Ireton, the grandees of physics. Of course every radical or original mind is purged by the grandees of their own times. That is the only kind of mind worth having. The alternative is a long career and comfortable early retirement at the BBC, “… a tale told by an i-diot, signifying nothing” (Shakespeare, “Macbeth”).
    http://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/10/27/interest-in-lenr/

  • georgehants

    SHINSUKE
    SHINSUKE is a founder of KOUSHIRYOKU Laboratory Ltd.
    Oct 28, 2012
    How to make LENR(cold fusion) reactor
    (English version 3)
    LENR is the “low-energy nuclear reactions”.
    LENR is the new alias of cold fusion.
    The principle of LENR is easy enough to understand even in high school.
    This document will be updated.
    Read at —-
    http://majin-z-shinsuke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/how-to-make-cold-fusionlenr-reactor.html?spref=tw

  • georgehants

    Dr. Myron Evans
    Thoughts on Science, History, Poetry and Politics
    Interest in LENR
    I can confirm that the thirty day returns for the diary or blog of aias.us continue to be dominated by low energy nuclear reaction, LENR, with intense interest in every note as it is produced. From 1st Jan. 2010 to present the diary has been read 125,384 times, self readings and spam excluded, from 143 countries. The only major countries that do not appear on the returns are Iran and China, bu twe know in other ways that thre is interest there too in ECE theory. Essentially all physicists now agree that LENR is repeatable and reproducible. AIAS explains is straightforwardly and in general by a combination of quantum tunnelling and resonant absorption. There are many other theories, but the ECE theory is the only one that successfully unifies all aspects of physics. The way in which ECE has been accepted is in itself a democratic revolution in contemporary physics education. It has defeated the purges and blocking tactics of the small and obsolete standard faction, a bit like Cromwell adn Ireton, the grandees of physics. Of course every radical or original mind is purged by the grandees of their own times. That is the only kind of mind worth having. The alternative is a long career and comfortable early retirement at the BBC, “… a tale told by an idiot, signifying nothing” (Shakespeare, “Macbeth”).
    http://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/10/27/interest-in-lenr/

  • stuey81

    what are your thoughts about the free energy videos found on utube, in particular the ones involving nothing other than magnets- this is something i thought was possible when i was a teenager and actually collected many magnets and made many different attempts at getting my magnets to spin under their own magnetic repulsion/atraction – some of these videos seem quite convincing but ive come to the relisation that either, yep they have done it and beat magnetic lock and friction or the more likley that they are fr_auds, and if they are fr_auduantly claiming over unity, why, why go to all the trouble of making a you tube vid knowing full well its false, its not funny, they gain nothing, in short what the hell drives these type of fr_audsters?

    • stuey81

      cant type the word without getting modded out, so thats what the underscores in there for.

      • daniel maris

        Nothing to do with LENR.

        • stuey81

          sorry mate, i thought LENR was an over unity device, my comment was to do with over unity and therfore a relevant question. i will try to keep OT from now on, does anyone mind if i ask how many on here visit the forum tab? ive been comming to this site everyday for a while now and i only visited the forum for the first time myself yesterday.

    • Peter_Roe

      “what the hell drives these type of fr_audsters?”

      I think probably a sense of superiority when they successfully manage to ‘fool’ people with their conjuring tricks and video manipulation (or think they have). Plus bragging rights with their mates of course.

      Some might start as genuine attempts to build simple perpetual motion machines, but resort to fakery when the devices don’t work. The initial attemps may be inspired by earlier fakes, so there would be a lot of irony in such an endless cycle.

  • captain

    Admin has named his website http://WWW.E-CATWORLD.COM so plz, don’t derail too much O/T with things that do not relate absolutely with the E-CAT technology.
    Tank U!

    For snakes, vipers, skepts and the like there’is a lot of other websites where to feel more comfortable than here.

    • John

      Has Admin said that he doesn’t want skeptics here? All he needs to do is say so and I will leave, never to return.

      However, it should be noted that Admin uses the word “if” in a lot of statements regarding Rossi and production of the e-cat. Does that mean that he’s a skeptic?

      • Peter_Roe

        Despite the ‘wide eyed believer’ and ‘Rossi fanboy’ stereotypes that shills are so fond of, the majority of people here are actually skeptical in the sense that they do not accept Rossi’s claims without question. Many of us go with what we have decided is the ‘balance of probability’, although admittedly (speaking for myself) recent developments from Celani onward have moved the balance close to 100% that Rossi’s core claims are legitimate.

        However most people are aware that Rossi may exaggerate things, uses language to imply things without actually stating them, and (to put it bluntly) occasionally lies. Sometimes this seems to be as a result of personality issues, sometimes to misdirect or to manage perceptions. This doesn’t prevent people having some fun speculating on the basis of what they are told, but I’m sure that everyone who takes part is aware that it is just speculation.

        As far as skeptics are concerned, no-one objects to reasoned skeptical comments (although they may provoke energetic responses) but if ‘skeptics’ resort to disinfo tricks such as repeated half truths and unfounded innuendo, or is unremittingly hostile, then it is assumed that this is because they may be paid shills, in which case the reaction is likely to be less accepting.

        • http://www.lenrforum.eu Alain

          +1

        • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

          +2

    • stuey81

      captain, you wouldnt be interested in some other breakthrough in over unity then? even admin strays from CF/LENR when new info is scarce, i.e air to fuel not so long ago.I agree with what you that i dont want to read posts about ppl just staight out attacking rossi or dismissing CF/LENR, but being somewhat skeptical is healthy, and i quite enjoy reading different views.

      stuey

    • captain

      The skeptics sometimes are also welcome and useful in certain situations: Rossi hired a very big skeptic for Leonardo corp., that soon after became the first believer in E-Cat device. He’s eng. FABIANI, now responsible of E-Cats plants/modules electronics and operatrivity management.
      At the first, in this blog, he was thought to be a Rossi’s bodyguard (together with arch. Pirazzini).

      Thus, there are skeptics and skeptics 🙂
      My intention was to refer obviously to ‘skeptics’ that intentionally are disturbing and in some way polluting THIS blog.

      I apologize for not having said that in my post, though already mentioned in other threads more than once.

      • Andrew Macleod

        Rational scepticism isnt discouraged here captain, it’s people that consistently debate or repeat null topics, for example “all means nothing without 3rd party confirmation”. Most here still await 3rd party confirmation but realize that discussions would be rather drab if we dwelled on that one subject so we continue to discuss new information as it comes on the assumption that a) his device works and b) were being told the truth.

      • http://www.lenrforum.eu Alain

        among well know skeptics:
        – dawn dominguez of NRL
        – Celani of INLR
        – Gerisher
        – Robert Duncann

        and we should ask more because many LENR researchers today started as skeptics trying to prove what was the error, since nobody found it.

        see data on lenrforum.eu

        • R101

          You can add Dick Smith to the list, but I feel, if he’s still watching from the sidelines, he must be swaying towards positive camp also.

          • Peter_Roe

            I think you may be missing the point of Alain’s post R101. The people he lists are scientists who doubted the reality of LENR until they investigated properly, and then became advocates of CF research.

            The ‘Dick Smith’ who occasionally posts sneering junk on ECN is simply a pathoskeptic with limited technical knowledge. I have never seen any indication that he is drifting towards acceptance of CF.

            • http://www.lenrforum.eu Alain

              The Dick Smith style is not the worse model.
              They are the symmetric of the patho-believer that we are plagued of in LENR.

              The worst denier is those scientist who, because they are not enough genius to build the good theory, just use a trivial model to prove it cannot work.

              When pretended scientist (99% of all) claim that QM in the void deny the existence of LENR in lattice they make experienced engineer in Micro-electronics, with some historical culture, cry and laugh… The only honest answer is silence, bacque lattice, various dimensionalities, coherence, make QM unpredictable.

              Hubris.

              Note that I have just a littel more respect for those scientist who easily imagine that all existing QM is false, and that ask for a new physics…

              and worst of all, theose magazine , like Science, who reject papers if there is no theoretical section, are the top of the top of stupidity and Hubris.

              Todays QM in lattice is enough hard to apply and compute that you should not focus on new physics, before the experimental facts and variations are established.

              All what happens in LENR is very common today, and symptomatic of todays bad science. theory before measures, models before facts, claiming new physics or old physics, instead of applying old with new ingenuity.

              The most schocking for LENr is that today we are more plagued with pathologic science of patho-believers, pathologic models, pathologic bias in measurements, mediatic and political manipulation with non commercial agenda… honest terrible fraud by sincere people.

              nobody, not even hot fusion, is dishonest, but most is pathologic, and common.

  • georgehants

    Cold Fusion Power for Everything: How Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat Could Change the World [Kindle Edition]
    Richard Long (Author)
    An introduction to the current state of cold fusion technology, focusing on Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat, and a discussion of how this technology which promises a future of cheap, clean and abundant energy could have a profoundly important influence on our world.
    http://www.amazon.com/Cold-Fusion-Power-Everything-ebook/dp/B009TH88AO

  • andreiko

    Vraag aan DR Rossi;is het mogelijk H2 met een temperatuur van bijvoorbeeld
    1000 graden Kelvin rechtstreeks in de reactor te injecteren eventueel daarna rondpompen zodat extern verwarmen niet meer nodig is?

    PS/You can translate from Dutch.

    • Frits

      It is also possible to translate Dutch into English (by Google translate f.i.) and more polite to the international users of this platform.

      Het is je eerder gevraagd door anderen
      It has been asked before by others

      • stuey81

        i agree Frits, should be a rule on this site. Im pretty sure admin has to be able to mederate the posts and doesnt need to be goolge translating everyones posts from thier native language to english to see if its ok.

        like this on the thumb counter if you agree.

    • giro

      just google translated this:

      DR question to Rossi, it is possible to H2 at a temperature of, for example
      1000 Kelvin to be injected directly into the reactor, optionally after pumping so that external heating is no longer necessary?

      @andreiko: you often place interesting comments, and fortunately I do understand them… but please, if you want to post in dutch, at least put a google translated version below. Even if not 100% accurate, it will help! In this case, I doubt Rossi would have answered your dutch question anyway.

      • Gerlad

        Ach laat toch. Tegenwoordig zal Engels wel niet meer in het standaard pakket zitten. Wel super ingeburgerd Andreiko, nu alleen nog arogant op een goedkope all in vakantie en je handdoekje ‘s morgens op een ligbed leggen.. Toppertje!!!

      • andreiko

        There too a not answered question is an answer.

  • PersonFromPorlock

    A couple of hours ago I posted this in the “Big News” thread:

    PersonFromPorlock on October 27, 2012 at 12:36 pm

    Searching “Gianvico Pirazzini” (which appears to be the correct name), turns up a not-very-reassuring reference in a 1990 article in La Repubblica (http://ricerca.repubblica.it/repubblica/archivio/repubblica/1990/12/02/nemici-di-bossi-lasciano-la-lega.html?ref=search) that says (machine translation):

    “Gianvico Pirazzini, municipal councillor of the Lega Nord in Bologna, expelled for unworthiness a month ago with the accusation of careerism and transfer of funds.”

    Pirazzini appears to be a political player, I have no idea of the politics of La Repubblica, and the machine translation is almost incomprehensible. Could one of our Italian-speaking posters look into this?

    Renzo replied:

    Renzo on October 27, 2012 at 12:52 pm

    There were numerous scissions and infighiting within the Lega Nord party in Bologna but I can’t find detailed informations. La Repubblica is strong anti-Lega Nord so the article must be taken with a grain of salt in the absence of further info. It seems Pirazzini is still involved in politics at local level, I found he’s leader of the bolognian section of the “Agire insieme – Lega federale” party.

    Just be aware that Pirazzini is a somewhat controversial character.

    • PersonFromPorlock

      Sorry, that was a little hard to read. Let’s try again:

      A couple of hours ago I posted this in the “Big News” thread:

      PersonFromPorlock on October 27, 2012 at 12:36 pm

      Searching “Gianvico Pirazzini” (which appears to be the correct name), turns up a not-very-reassuring reference in a 1990 article in La Repubblica (http://ricerca.repubblica.it/repubblica/archivio/repubblica/1990/12/02/nemici-di-bossi-lasciano-la-lega.html?ref=search) that says (machine translation):

      “Gianvico Pirazzini, municipal councillor of the Lega Nord in Bologna, expelled for unworthiness a month ago with the accusation of careerism and transfer of funds.”

      Pirazzini appears to be a political player, I have no idea of the politics of La Repubblica, and the machine translation is almost incomprehensible. Could one of our Italian-speaking posters look into this?

      Renzo replied:

      Renzo on October 27, 2012 at 12:52 pm

      There were numerous scissions and infighiting within the Lega Nord party in Bologna but I can’t find detailed informations. La Repubblica is strong anti-Lega Nord so the article must be taken with a grain of salt in the absence of further info. It seems Pirazzini is still involved in politics at local level, I found he’s leader of the bolognian section of the “Agire insieme – Lega federale” party.

      Just be aware that Pirazzini is a somewhat controversial character.

      • georgehants

        How does he compare with Berlusconi.
        It seems to be the Norm in Italy to be a little “different”

      • Frank

        Just be aware that Pirazzini is a somewhat controversial character

        On that subject: Does anybody wonder why Domenico Fioravanti (aka “Cures”), the retired colonel, which did the 1MW “acceptance test”, wasn’t present at anyone of the two presentations (Zurich, Pordenone).
        According to Rossi, he was helping him as a specialist for thermo-dynamic systems. I guess some people would have liked to talk with him.

        • Renzo

          from the discussions on cobraf forum I understand that Cures is not one of Rossi’s employes, he was present at some of the tests like a guest and friend. It is not clear if he made some contribution beside leaking the photo. He also said he lives in another city, I think Torino. He didn’t partecipate at the conferences but he wrote something before Zurich, an humorous remark that he was scolding Rossi to behave with common sense once in a time.

        • Omega Z

          Frank

          As Renzo says, Cures is an unpaid observer. Going to (Zurich, Pordenone) would have been at his own expense.

          Actually I think he’s a little more then an Observer, I think he does participate to a small extent. But isn’t paid for it.

          From his posts, I’m assuming he isn’t quite as close to the inner circle of things because of his leaks. He implies he is monitored to some degree. What he does post seems to be much more cryptic & has become a rarity since the falling out over the leaks.

          Tho Cures appears to have been partly ostracized from the Inner circle, His posts indicated he has Zero doubts about the E-cat validity.

          I would Note that even with Cures/Fioravanti’s Expertize, it could be possible to fool him, but within an extended period of time of observing, He would pick up on anything shady going on.

          Cures has also indicated the End of days of rumors & dispute are fast approaching. He contemplates what he will do with his free time. Maybe write a book? A James Bond style of sorts…
          An Indication of behind the scenes activity.

    • Timar

      Well, La Repubblica ist the Italian equivalent to the New York Times, the largest and most established liberal newspaper.

      Lega Nord is an ultra right-wing party, which was the minor partner in Berlusconi’s coalition for many years. Concerning its regionalist and separatist concepts, it is hardly comparable to any other European yet alone American party. The fact, however, that in some lines the Lega Nord is a sucessor of Italians former fascists party caused a huge political uproar throughout Europe when it came into government responsibility through the coalition with Forza Italia in 1994.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lega_Nord

      • Renzo

        actually the Lega Nord can’t be called an ultra right-wing party except by liberal newspapers. Excluding the regionalist issues and some colourful characters, it is quite a moderate party that doesn’t clearly fit into a left or right divide.

        • Timar

          From Wikipedia:

          “According to a number of scholars, Lega Nord is an example of a right-wing populist, radical right, or extreme right-wing party, while some see significant differences to typical European radical right-wing populist parties, or reject the label of radical right as inadequate to describe the party’s ideology.”

          It all depends on one’s viewpoint I suppose.

          • Francesco CH

            Usual bull**its from Wikipedia!

    • Chris

      Seems he’s a politician then, and of a typical style.

      This isn’t the only thing that strikes a dissonant note in all of Rossi’s doings but nonetheless it doesn’t convince me of the whole thing being a scam. At the worst I fear there could be disappointment once the first customers get their new toy, but even this has been seeming less and less likely to me.

    • Jim

      “Gianvico Pirazzini”…the only one in the Italian phone book by that name?

      There are other google references under that name, as well.

  • georgehants

    From The Keshe Foundation via PESN.
    Italy the latest nation joining the Spaceship program
    From: Belgium Belgium
    According to the Keshe Foundation’s principle of transferring its technologies to every country on earth, we are proud to announce the nation and government of Italy has accepted the transfer of technology of the spaceship program of the keshe Foundation.
    http://www.keshefoundation.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2884

  • captain

    The architect’s name is PIrazzini not PIErazzini.

  • lcd

    Good job renzo, keep it coming

  • captain

    Thank U Admin for this thread.
    The translation is limited to the first 12min and 54sec, just to know.

    Further interesting technical news on the control/operating system of the 1MW thermal plant are given by eng. Fabiani… and then very interesting infos from eng. Rossi.

    LENR speaks Italian, and I’m too lazy to carry out a long translation job :;-)

  • Robert Mockan

    Maybe the patent process is different in Europe than the USA. To disclose critical aspects of an invention or alleged discovery are “absolutely common”, does not help a patent application. It also makes one wonder what is Rossi trying to patent? Getting thermal energy from nickel and hydrogen? Read some of the scientific literature going back 50 years, at least, about exothermic reactions of unknown origin, between nickel and hydrogen, observed in catalyst research. The use of compounds for hydrogen storage? The literature is full of studies about this. Reactions where the rate kinetics increase with temperature? That is so common in chemistry no comment should even be necessary. Rossi might be able to get a design patent for the cylinder using nickel and hydrogen to generate thermal power of unknown origin. But good luck if trying to claim the process itself is his intellectual property.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      I really don’t know anything about patent law but I remember the phrase “unexpected advantageous properties”. So, if his invention possesses “unexpected advantageous properties” like heat generation 1000x greater than any known chemical reaction or more energy than other LENR systems it seems like Rossi’s invention is patentable. After all, look at all the hair splitting that takes place in pharmaceutical patents. Compared with them there are real significant differences between Rossi’s invention and the other nickel hydrogen systems.

  • Max S

    so, this guy works since 2 years with Leonardo ?
    Below message just 8 weeks ago sounds rather odd in the context. If the architect is really 2 years with the company, then Mr Rossi has really a strange way to communicate with his employees through a blog.
    http://www.e-cat.com/2012/09/dear-gianvico-pirazzini-architetto/

    • Timar

      Wow, and I thought it odd enough that Mr. Rossi employs architects for his R&D work. Aren’t there any engineers in Italy or are they all busy designing structures?

      • Renzo

        I understand from other remarks that Pierazzini works on the overall design and the arrangement of the modules. I doubt he’s privy of the inner working of the Ecat (the same is true for Fabiani)

        • Timar

          I see. Didn’t want to sound too negative. Probably it makes good sense from a creative point of view to have people with different professional perspectives in a R&D team.

          But why aren’t there any records of engineers involved with the development of the actual reactor?

          • Robert Mockan

            Engineers? What about the scientists and technicians? Who does the lab work developing the Rossi catalyst? Thus far we have seen images of plumbing part contraptions (no offense intended) and trucking freight containers in what looks like industrial buildings and storage yards, but not even one picture of any work space that even remotely looks like a laboratory. Rossi must be contracting with real scientists in real laboratories somewhere to have developed the “hot-cat” catalyst, and engineers to do the design work. Who? Where? When?

            • captain

              Be sure that what Rossi has choosen is a wise move.
              With Rossi there are scientists as he likes and as he needs, eng.s, arch.s, a.s.o. – shortly we call’em doctors if U like so.

              • Timar

                Yeah, we’ve already figured that in your view everything Rossi does or not does is impeccable and immaculate.

                • captain

                  Rossi said that he has made many mistakes in his life…

                  But I consider him a very honest person.

                  Surely U don’t know the Italian and thus the real Rossi’s life.

              • Robert Mockan

                Sorry, captain, but I have worked closely with engineers developing new products using advanced technology. You know I am an optimist about the LENR subject, if you have read some of my comments. From that perspective, I see zero evidence of “Rossi the wise”. What I do see is a disaster waiting to happen if Rossi tries to keep control of the development process.

                • georgehants

                  Robert, what do you mean by “a disaster” please.

                • Robert Mockan

                  There is no way to explain what I mean in this forum without getting moderated out. But I can ask this question and you can take it from there, if you like. Have you ever associated with a CEO in management who has NPD (narcissistic personality disorder)?

                • georgehants

                  Robert, I can make little sense of what you are saying.
                  I ask the simple question “what do you mean by disaster”.
                  —-
                  Are you saying you are closely associated with somebody who has a (narcissistic personality disorder)
                  I am sorry to hear that.

                • Robert Mockan

                  Sorry, George, can’t go there in this forum. The words I would need to use in commentary would either get filtered or moderated.
                  NPD gets by because it is a relevant technical term that would not be flagged. If you ever encountered such in business then you know people, even with minor afflictions, can leave ashes behind with their business decisions.

            • sparks

              Robert, you are singing the same tune that I’ve been singing for a long time now. The lack of external observables of Rossi’s activities has been a consistent contradiction to the news dispatches from his company. This has always seemed significant to me.

            • http://www.american-reporter.com Joe Shea

              Actually, like Randell Mills I think Rossi developed the catalyst himself without any help; perhaps he has refined it with the help of his many assistants. As I understand it, there was a very lengthy period of trial-and-error testing before he settled on a particular catalyst.

              • georgehants

                Joe, agreed, time will tell.

          • Robert Mockan

            Or how about just the name of a machine shop where the parts are made? Has any person ever seen even a lathe in any work space shown in any of the images that have been published that are Rossi or E-Cat related? How about drill press? Screwdriver?

            • GreenWin

              Robert, I think we are all aware, by observing Rossi’s 1MW assemblage, there are competent engineers on the team. The fact the team is classified should surprise no one. We are talking about an entirely new form of nuclear energy.

              Only Mr. Rogers or Captain Kangaroo would not classify most of this research and development. Welcome to the team!

              • Robert Mockan

                Without more transparency we can not be certain about competency. None of our business anyway. But building machines require a machine shop. Rossi has never mentioned anything, anytime, anywhere, about the actual process of building, anything. Then carry that observation over also to the scientific work in laboratories. We assume all these things because we are shown what we assume are the end products of such activity.

                If Rossi hopes to capitalize on selling more product and less talk, it might be time for him to build credibility by being more open with business details that would have positive effects.

                • http://www.american-reporter.com Joe Shea

                  Revealing any element in a line of supply leads to vulnerabilities. Rossi appears to enjoy hermetically-sealed secrecy that even the richest oil sheik can’t penetrate.

            • Jim

              I think Robert asks reasonable questions, in the directions of both technical detail and management.

              Re management: I personally have encountered several high level executives in technology related fields who created their own reality distortion fields and took their companies in disastrous directions. The recent debacle with Netflix download versus DVD pricing and distribution is a excellent example.

              Re technical detail: for the 1MW eCat to be a real commercial product there certainly must be engineering and production locations, tools and staff. And I don’t believe I’ve seen any evidence of those. On the other hand there are plenty of engineers and production staff at startups in Silicon Valley who very well know the value of their stock options and have no problem whatsoever maintaining absolute blackout secrecy about their work. Working from the old military adage, “Deposit slips seal lips”.

              From several decades of observing Silicon Valley at close range, nothing about Rossi’s or Leonardo’s behavior seems particularly out of pattern.

              If you believe everyday reality can be well-approximated as a network of causes and effects then it’s appropriate to question that network in any direction, including into management practice and technical execution.

              When there highly improbable gaps in the network of causes and effects, then the entire schema needs to be questioned as “magical thinking” or deliberately misleading.

              On the other hand, when people obsessively question apparent minor inconsistencies in the *visible* parts of the network, or insist that “since a particular causal thread does not work in a particular way then the entire network is illusory”, then it’s time to put out the pseudo-skeptic alert.

              • Robert Mockan

                Good phrase, “reality distortion field”.

                We can add to the adage “deposit slips seal lips”, the other half, “loose lips sink ships”.

                And Rossi certainly seems to apply the principle of KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid.

                One problem with illusions, and certainly there can be many when there are secrets, is that they can often lead to delusions when the subject is of great interest.

                That may backfire on Rossi unless he offers more transparency. Here is a question. What happened to the robotic factory almost completed and ready to make domestic E-Cats?

                • clovis

                  or he has what he says he has then everything you have said is bulls-it. as mr. obama would put it,,—– dr, rossi has things well in hand, and everything is going to plan,–believe it, –smile

                • sparks

                  “What happened to the robotic factory almost completed ….”

                  Thank you thank you thank you Robert!

                  My mind goes back to my postings of nearly a year ago asking “where are the logistics trails” associated with the hiring and training of workers, and preparing for shipping and receiving tons upon tons of factory feedstock input and finished product output (1 million units per year!), as well as arrangements for retail outlets, and on and on and on.

                • GreenWin

                  Likely the robotic factory is on Mars and can be programmed to produce any kind of electro-mechanical device in a week. With 3D printing advances, all e-cat parts can be printed with little need for machining.

                  And the whole product cycle can be implemented in a matter of weeks – following patent and certification triggers. The fact we are not privy to these “magical” technologies is unimportant. There is a new source of energy being introduced to the planet – and many old schoolers are unhappy.

              • Robert Mockan

                You said, “..nothing about Rossi’s or Leonardo’s behavior seems particularly out of pattern.”

                Last time I checked, a behavior pattern taken from Silicon Valley would not include leading many people to question if a scam is being perpetrated by a con man.

                Rossi can do much (much!) better with his public image, if he were so inclined.

                • clovis

                  Robert,
                  Once again, Dr. Rossie is just where he wants to be.- believe it.

                • Jim

                  “a behavior pattern taken from Silicon Valley would not include leading many people to question if a scam is being perpetrated by a con man.”

                  That’s not the Silicon Valley I know. You should have been here during the .dot com craze. Have you considered many billions of dollars in VC money went into R&D and promotion for products that were never built or were obsolete on delivery? How many products were way over promised and way under delivered? Do you really think that in the midst of all that there were no scam artists arranging lunches to fleece angel investors at Il Fornaio? More like, the scam artists didn’t last as long because there was an established investment community that was more discerning. Rossi is operating in a near vacuum, conveniently evacuated by the “PTB”. Considering that SK is his severest critic, by comparison to what entrepreneurs (and scam artists) face in the Valley no-one has laid a glove on him.

                  I agree that Rossi could do better with his public image, but you know, he’s a character, he’s strong minded, and it’s his baby. He’s not doing a lot worse than some unfortunately high profile celebrities, athletes, executives and political figures.

            • Andrew Macleod

              Rossis family owned a metal fabrication shop in Milan, he himself worked there for many years.

      • lcd

        Could refer to system architect which would be very technical.

        This perspective was actually very refreshing and does inspire some confidence.

        So one thing we know for sure is that Rossi at some point needs to stop designing and start shipping.

        So it would seem.

        • Pedro

          There is a saying: “the biggest enemy of good is better”. There is always something better just around the corner, that makes you drop the development of the current product version in order to start development of the promising next version. The result is that the final product gets posponed over and over again. The hot-cat has killed the eCat! Only the future can tell if that was a wise decision. AR shurely can not go on postponing because he (and by assocation LENR also) loose credability with each delay.

          • clovis

            Thats a very pessimistic view, when the reverse is true, lenr is just taking off , nothing can stop it now. -smile