New E-CAT Meeting Scheduled for Pordenone, Italy on Oct 12 [Update: Rossi teases]

There’s not too much information about this yet, but a conference about the E-Cat is scheduled to be held in Pordenone, Italy on October 12. The only details I can find about this event come from an advertisement for the event was posted in a Facebook group here

The text of the ad is not easy to read, so I can only get a few details from it. The meeting will be held at the Polo Tecnologico di Pordenone, a facility which is set up to help organizations with innovation and technology.

Andrea Rossi is scheduled to appear on the program, as well as Aldo Proia of Prometeon, Italian licencee for E-Cat technology. This may be an event similar to the one held in Zurich, which seemed to be oriented to a German-speaking audience. Daniele Passerini of 22passi.blogspot.com has said that he will be in attendance at this meeting, and will be reporting about it at his site.

UPDATE:

Steven N. Karels
October 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Dear Andrea Rossi,
What’s up with a new E-CAT Meeting Scheduled for Pordenone, Italy on Oct 12.

Dear Steven N. Karels:
Your question is inspiring: well, I will not go to Pordenone to clean the Dolomites with the wax: it is possible that in the Pordenione convention I will bring the final results regarding the third party validation of the Hot Cat.
It is not certain, some work has still to be done, but it is not impossible.
( He,he,he,he…)
Warm Regards,
A.R.

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=733#comments

The Dolomites are a mountain range in the Pordenone area.

  • Robyn

    I often mention that I give Rossi benefit of the doubt (mostly because I think LENR is solid generally).

    However, that little tease (“he, he, he, he, he”) is totally horrible if he doesn’t come through.

  • H. Hansson

    Will the 3 party tester be secret? Will the 3 party tester be a friend of Mr. Rossi??.. or will it be a institution with a reputation for impartially??… just asking.

    • Omega Z

      Rossi’s been at this a long time & most probably knows most of these people. I’ve done some background searches & Rossi is extremely well connected both in Europe & the U.S.

      But it would be highly unlikely they would risk their jobs & reputations regardless of how well they now him. If they provide false witness, then they to could be charged with fraud.

  • Ged

    I’d like to point at again how much a twist this is. A twist simply because we here assumed that when Zurich came out, it would pre-empt and replace the October E-cat conference we’d been told about almost a year ago. Seems that is not the case, and indeed that conference is going to occur.

    Other interesting part of this is Rossi’s excitement; more than he had for Zurich. We shall have to see what this brings, but it may be in conjuncture to the university testing.

  • georgehants

    Hank could not try any harder, I think many of us agree.

    Hank Mills
    October 2nd, 2012 at 5:07 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    I would like to humbly appeal to yourself, the directors of Leonardo Corporation, and the certificators involved in the testing of the technology to allow you to share data from a run of the hot cat in self sustain mode (steady temperature and power out put for at least an hour with no input) at the conference. Such data would be tremendously useful to those of us who support your efforts, and want the world to recognize the absolute hard reality of the technology. Cynics can complain and skeptics can howl all they want, but they would not be able to dismiss the extreme significance of such test results. Everyone with common sense will recognize that a reactor with no input power cannot stay the same temperature for even a few minutes, producing kilowatts of output, unless nuclear reactions are taking place.
    I literally beg of thee, please share such data. It would do a lot to end the mumbojumbo that is being spread by your enemies.
    Thank you.
    Hank Mills

    Andrea Rossi
    October 2nd, 2012 at 7:00 PM
    Dear Hank Mills:
    If the data we have now will be confirmed, do not worry at all.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • georgehants

    Is it possible that some scientists are going to think beyond nuts and bolts and the Carnot Cycle, goodness me next they will be opening their minds to silly things like the mind and other banned sacrilegious subjects.
    Is it possible science is trying to move forward instead of staying stuck in the reductionist never, never land.
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    Philosophy will be the key that unlocks artificial intelligence
    AI is achievable, but it will take more than computer science and neuroscience to develop machines that think like people

    • Andrew Macleod

      Is AI an achievement we want?

      • Allen McCloud

        I’m not sure if it’s something you want. But I sure do.

        Resistance is futile.

  • georgehants

    Laboratory News
    Renewable energy success: hydrogen fuel cell produced using inexpensive catalyst
    October 03, 2012
    A cobalt catalyst generates hydrogen from water. Credit: Fezile LakadamyaliA cobalt catalyst generates hydrogen from water. Credit: Fezile Lakadamyali
    University of Cambridge scientists have produced hydrogen from water using an inexpensive catalyst, under industrially relevant conditions.
    The researchers, whose findings are published in the journal Angewandte Chemie International Edition, found that a simple catalyst containing cobalt – which is relatively inexpensive and abundant- can operate as an active catalyst under real-world conditions (room temperature, using pH neutral water, surrounded by atmospheric oxygen). The team are now working on a solar water splitting device, where H2 (the fuel) and O2 (the by-product) are simultaneously produced.
    http://www.labnews.co.uk/news/renewable-energy-success-hydrogen-fuel-cell-produced-using-inexpensive-catalyst/

  • Adam Lepczak

    Greetings,
    In case you were wondering, these are the Dolomites:
    http://youtu.be/dkoE0kgAGpM
    (HD on + full screen if possible)
    I hope to fly there too next year!

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      Beautiful video. I’ve seen the Dolomites from a distance (bus tour). Didn’t know they were that gorgeous.

  • Jos

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    • Voodoo

      Dear Jos,

      what have in common E-Cat, Rossi, Prometeon and GreenEnergySolution ?

      They will be powering with biogas their First (civil) old low-temp E-Cat ?

  • daniel maris

    Well I hope they at least show some convincing video. What Rossi’s offered so far is pretty pathetic apart from the SGS safety certificate.

    • Bruno

      Not a real safety certificate. Just a voluntary certificate issued by Leonardo and submitted to SGS.

      • daniel maris

        Not true at all.

        The English translation on the certificate isn’t v. good. It is better rendered as:

        “inspection carried out at the manufacturer with satisfactory outcome”

        The inspection was undertaken by SGS. They have to vouch for a long list of items including the safe operation of the system.

        Why are you trying to mislead people like this?

        • Ivan_cev

          They saw the device working but they this not test for COP, this means it could just have been tested as an electric heather. No COP no Ecat.
          The test is not valid to prove the validity of the energy gain in the ecat.

          • daniel maris

            It is clear from the certificate regulations that the certifier has to understand the operation because they have to state it is operating safely.

            So, what you are having to do if you want to query the safety certificate is query the competence of SGS.

            There is for instance, no way a competent certifier could ignore the question of what happens re the fuel cartridge and how that relates to the heating process.

            As soon as you think about it, I would suggest, your contention becomes rather absurd – there must be more than just electric heating of water, there must be an intermediary process.

            Hydrogen is combustible. They must understand the process to give it a safety certificate.

            Of course it does not confirm the COP. On that we can agree.

            • Ivan_Cev

              So they understand the secret of how the ecat works?
              They will have to verify the catalyst is not dangerous. etc…?
              They did not measure COP! full stop. they could not know if was working as an energy amplifier.

              • Ged

                Ivan, COP is irrelevant for a safety certificate. You are making an issue out of nothing. I’m pretty sure everyone is well aware of the difference between SAFETY and product verification.

                As Daniel says, they had to turn the 1 MW plant on, and they had to do certain stop procedures with it, including emergency stops. While they wouldn’t look at the COP directly, the 1 MW plant had to at least operate and have some amount of energy out. That is the only point Daniel is making. Again, this is safety, nothing to do with COP.

      • Ged

        Absolutely false.

        It is a SGS -issued- certificate that fulfills all of Annex I of the EU directorate quoted. I listed all the parts of the Annex that were investiaged. The list is very long. Go back to the thread on the SGS certificate and take a look. It is a real safety certificate, it fulfills the real metrics set by the EU and is above and beyond the lower “required” certificates.

        • Ivan Mohorovicic

          Rossi has recently stated that the 1 MW reactor will be redesigned to much smaller dimensions. Wouldn’t this make the safety certification invalid since it was reportedly explicitly made for the specific plant located in Rossi’s stables near Bologna (Via del Eletricista) ?

          • Ged

            It would not make the SGS certificate invalid, as it will still apply to the current 1 MW version. The SGS certificate simply would not apply to the new plant. The certificate is for the design and operation of the current 1 MW plant; any major changes that turn it into a new product require re-certification.

            Think of this like car models. Any particular car model will get a crash rating and be certified safe; and then be churned out by the thousands. Any individual car does not need independent testing once the model is certified. But next year’s car model, since it’s a new model even if based on the same platform, has to be re-crash tested and re-certified for safety.

            Shrinking the 1 MW plant will undoubtedly make it a new product, and thus require new certification — but it should be faster to do since the previous model can be referenced. Unless the EU has slightly different rules, but I do not believe so.

            • Omega Z

              Just to point out.

              Rossi isn’t redesigning the 1Mw Low Temp. At least at this time.

              Reference to the redesign was to the Hot Cat which hasn’t went through certification.

              Because of the hassle & costs involved, I find it highly unlikely the Low Temp 1Mw will see a redesign until the Hot Cat has been fully optimized, certified & ready for production.

              Then I would expect the Low Temp to go through major changes incorporating many new approaches. This may even follow through to the Home version.

  • Dino Bacci

    I spoke with Franco Scolari, General Director. He confirmed the meeting on 12 oct at 3.00 pm, in Pordenone
    Dino Bacci
    Pordenone

    • georgehants

      Dino, can you get in with a video camera.

      • Voodoo

        Folks, cameras and camcorders are banned there, because at this event will be announced, that 2 old low temp e-cats are sold and number of sold e-cats is highly confidential (according to last interview).

        • captain

          Mr Voodoo,
          a few threads ago, I’ve posted my personal forecasts ’bout 3 next Rossi’seasons relating to his voodoo pardon E-Cat plants.

          I’m hanging on your words, oracle not invoked, criticize the captain and let in peace Andrea and his job.

          • GreenWin

            One sheet short of three?

  • edog

    Gosh!
    I just saw a bit of an episode of the Simpsons….

    I saw a character on there… A Mr Burns…

    He really reminded me of someone! Someone who wants to create their own energy empire!

    • GreenWin

      Nikola Tesla? Thomas Edison? George Westinghouse? Enrico Fermi? Maharishi Mahesh Yogi? MIT Plasma? Queen Victoria? Admiral James Kirk? Ronald Reagan? Captain Rickover? Christopher Walken? Ming the Merciless? Fidel Castro? KAOS? Joan of Arc? Auric Goldfinger? Joseph Stalin? Louis B Mayer? The Three Kings? Antipater? Rick Ross? Henry VIII? Donald Trump? Robert Fulton? Julius Caesar? University of Utah? Austin Powers? Popeye the Sailor?

      Well… you get it.

  • Tangled Connections

    OT: interesting story from the BBC on an idea to store electricity. Might work well with an e-cat in the loop as the heat source?
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19785689

    • daniel maris

      The energy storage idea is useful but energy storage is not really an issue for central generating LENR I would have thought (because you can have it running any time of night or day or in any season).

      • Cliff Bradley

        I think the liquid air idea is not going to get much traction.

        However, buffering an e-cat generating constant electricity will allow you to use a relatively small one while having the electrical storage for peak times. Electrical usage is rarely constant over a 24 hour period. Batteries are used for this now, but they wear out quickly and don’t have much storage and are expensive.

        If EEStor or some other Super Capacitor would finally get to production, that would work because they have virtually unlimited charge/discharge cycles and will supposedly have a high energy storage capacity. EEStor is still in the area of vaporware but some others are promising.

        So, if you could store a week’s worth of constant energy, for example, you could deal with hot days and cold nights for your house.

        Another example would be a car in which you only use it maybe an hour a day, but it can be charging 24 hours a day. You’d have the power you need when you need it.

        • daniel maris

          True, but will a domestic household or a car (even less so) be a suitable place for cyrogenic storage, turbines and all the rest? I doubt it.

  • Andrew Macleod

    I guess all we can do is wait and see what comes of this.

    • Miles

      Yep. More sitting, more waiting.

  • Ivone Martin FitzGerald

    I am delighted, and happy. The 12th October is marked on my calendar.

    • http://homepoweredgoals John Thomas

      Ivone Martin FitzGerald……most calenders are already marked (USA ones) for October 12th..columbus day is celebrated on this day each year…..

  • Gerald

    Found on greenstyle.it

    http://www.greenstyle.it/e-cat-andrea-rossi-al-polo-tecnologico-di-pordenone-il-12-ottobre-12032.html

    After the meeting in Zurich, Andrea Rossi returns home for a conference dedicated to the E-Cat. It will be the technology hub of Pordenone, 12 October next, to host Rossi will not be alone. Among the speakers of the conference entitled “Energy Efficiently?” There will be Aldo Proia, commercial director of Prometeon SRL and the licensee of the E-Cat in Italy.

    The news conference of Pordenone is circulated among blog comments 22passi Daniele Passerini and when no trace is found in the pages of the technological city of Friuli.

    The schedule for the conference should be as follows:

    Mr. Andrea Rossi 15 hours;
    Aldo Proia 15.30;
    Salvatore Majorana 16.00.
    Waiting for official confirmation of date and “location” of the conference mark this as October is a month full of very important events for cold fusion. Always Passerini flag as another actor in the revolution of clean LENR will be involved in a conference on October 20: Ugo Abundo.

  • Gerrit

    the fifth speaker seems to be a director of “Environmental protection and natural resource management” of the “Regione Autonoma Friuli Venezia Giulia”

    http://www.regione.fvg.it/rafvg/cms/RAFVG/ambiente-territorio/tutela-ambiente-gestione-risorse-naturali/

  • http://www.lenrforum.eu/ AlainCo

    does anyone have an official public announce, a website about that conference?

    • Ivan Mohorovicic

      This is their website, but they still haven’t put the event on their calendar:

      http://polo.pn.it/it/eventi

      (Yesterday the event for October 19 wasn’t on the event calender, so it might appear soon)

      I think we should ask for more information by sending an email at the address on event poster, which is “reception [at] polo [dot] pn [dot] it”

      • Ged

        So, the October event wasn’t pre-empted by Zurich! That is an interesting twist.

  • Gerrit

    as far as I can decipher the third speaker is this guy from the “instituto italiano di tecnologia”

    http://www.iit.it/en/people/technology-transfer/executive/salvatore-majorana.html

  • Gerrit

    the fourth “speaker” should be the AREA science park

    http://www.area.trieste.it/opencms/opencms/area/en/

  • Gerrit

    as far as I can decipher the third speaker is this guy from the “instituto italiano di tecnologia”

    http://www.iit.it/en/people/technology-transfer/executive/salvatore-majorana.html

    the fourth speaker should be a Giovanni Petris from http://www.regione.fvg.it