Rossi Responds to Allegations about Safety Certificate

Andrea Rossi has made the following statement in response to allegations from Gary Wright that Leonardo does not have certification for the 1 MW E-Cat.

Dear Giuseppe B.:
Mr “Gary Wright” (a false name that the coward snake – The Snake- is using for cowardice) has contacted SGS in an unproper way and has put an unproper question.
So he published on his newbogusenergybricolage that we do not have a SGS certificate. This is the evidence, as if there was any necessity, that when the Snake ( or, better, the puppet Snake) writes, he usually publishes a falsity.
Within hours you will find our Voluntary Safety Certificate.
So you will see who is that says the truth and who is that has an agenda.
Now we are very close to make a plant able to make power, and the puppeteers are trying all they can to discredit us: this is why I am caring not too much of the mumbojumbo growing up around and focus on the factory where we are making the real work. But from the violence of the attacs you can read the fear they have of the fact that we are making it. Not to mention the blackmails and the threats I am receiving on dayly scale. Just let me work and we’ll see.
Warm Regards,

I’m not exactly sure what a Voluntary Safety Certificate is, but here’s something from SGS about voluntary certification schemes: Rossi talks about making something available “within hours”, so hopefully we will know soon what he means.

  • Bert Bigelow

    I have read all of the above…and I read it often, although I rarely post.
    My take on all of this is: Frustration, that Rossi does not provide us with incontrovertible proof that his claims are valid.
    I understand his fears of disclosure of proprietary information. A lot of bucks are at stake here. But we really need this! I stood in my backyard today, here in southern CA…temp was about 107 and my A/C was cranking as hard as it could. All that energy driving it was coming from fossil fuels.
    Here, it is natural gas…not as bad as coal, but still…
    We DESPERATELY NEED what Rossi and others are working on.
    I don’t care if Rossi is the winner…or Defkalion…or Godes at Brillouin, or Mills at Blacklight. Better yet, ALL of the above! And a convergence of their theories.
    We need it desperately! We need to free the peoples of the earth from the tyranny of fossil fuels and the people selling them…and holding the rest of us hostage.

  • Visitor

    No certification will be published:

    Andrea Rossi
    September 13th, 2012 at 3:21 PM
    Dear Frank Acland:
    Thank you, actually I could not publish this certificate, we cannot use it for commercials, I asked the permission to do this, explaining that I had to defend myself from the accusation of having said not truly that we had it . It is a Voluntary Safety Certificate, it enables us to put the CE mark on our 1 MW plants.
    Warm Regards,

    • Visitor

      What would possibly prevent someone to publish something which belongs to him (“Voluntary”)?
      The law? customers? Investors? couldn’t find reason in none of those.
      If it has something which reveals the secret ingredient he wouldn’t declare publishing in hours.
      He could have just publish the certification number, that’s revealing nothing but proof for its existence.
      Can someone guess?

      • Gregory P

        The letters CE stand for “Conformité Européenne” which means “European Conformity”. Hardly a difficult certification to achieve !!!!

        • GreenWin

          Hardly?? Have you read the six and a half pages of points in Appendix I 1.0 – 6.5??? It is voluminous.

  • LCD

    Who is guissepe b?

  • hammerskoj

    Off topic but interesting: “inner tube problem”

    Two concentric layers. Inner steel, outer [thinner] tungsten.
    inner tube 330 mm long, outer radius 16 mm – inner radius 15 mm as stated in report; steel 8,00 gr cubic centimeter
    outer tube 330 mm long, outer radius 16,92 mm as stated in report – inner radius xx mm; tungsten 18,5 gr cubic centimeter.
    Simple solution with ALL dimensional and weight constrains solved:
    xx = 16,20 mm
    weight: inner [steel] 257 gr, outer [tungsten] 448 gr.

    So external tube is formed from a 0,70 mm foil of tungsten. This depht is enough to thermally convert the ‘nuclear’ output of active core and allow to guess an upper limit to kinetic energy of involved phenomena or gamma hardness.

  • GreenWin

    “It has occurred to me lately and I must confess with some shock at first to my scientific sensibilities, that the questions of the origin of consciousness in humans, and the origin of life from non-living matter, might both be brought to some degree of congruence.

    This is with the assumption that mind, rather than emerging as a late outgrowth in the evolution of life has in fact existed always as the matrix, the source and condition of the physical reality. The stuff of which physical reality is composed is mind stuff. It is mind that has composed the physical universe that breeds life, and so eventually evolves creatures that know and create: science, art, and technology-making animals. In them, the universe begins to know itself.” George Wald, Harvard University Nobel laureate, 1984 Quantum Biology Symposium

    We have a firm confirmation of certification. Bravo Dr. Rossi.

    • georgehants

      GreenWin, I have a topic on forums —–
      “Would anybody like to discuss what can and cannot be said by science concerning a creator.”
      astralprojectee, has put some wonderful comments but my mind is on other things at the moment.
      You may like to contribute, I will respond soon, when I have sorted out a couple of things.

      • GreenWin

        I will do just that George.

      • GreenWin

        George, there is some glitch in my login on the forums. I can log in to WordPress for private email but not the Forums. It will not let me change passwords either. So, I am stuck for the moment.

  • Sanjeev

    Safety certificate will surely help to start the sale of plants. I don’t know if it would be helpful in validating the tech though.

    It all depends on how the test was done, whether it involved measurement of energies and whether these things are mentioned in the certificate or the report etc.

    If it is like the one published earlier (radio emission measurement), then I guess it will not satisfy the majority as far as reality of Ecat is considered. I hope the news of a plant being available for public within months comes true.

  • Johannes Hagel

    Since one and a half years now I am following E-Cat World and still I think that it is a very well administrated and informative site. So all my thanks go to Frank for his very good journalistic performance over that time.
    However I start to ask me the following question: How difficult would it be for us participating in this forum in case we had to admit Rossi isnt the real deal? And I have to admit that these feelings of mine are strengthening following the latest news about Swedish investors etc. As much as I believe in the reality of LENR (thanks to Celani, Brillouin et al.), I have to admit that I could have been wrong in my optimism concerning Rossi and the E-Cat. So once more my question: Would it be so bad for us and for the world out there if LENR would be realised by someone or some group different from Rossi? Agreed, the E-Cat looks so promising if all the informations we got and still get about fuel consumption and reliability were based on successful, independent replications. However we never got it and everything smells as if we will never get it. So my suggestion would be that this forum opens more activly to following all promising branches of LENR research and only comes back to Rossi as soon as he delivers what he has promised to us in 2011. Would this be so harmful?

    • GreenWin

      Mr. Hagel, you of course are free to do as you like. Do not expect those of us who are on a final approach, to alter the plan without exceptional evidence demonstrating a reason to do so. At this stage there is no evidence outside a reseller press release and a Ny Teknik story by a non-witness. As for investment, there is $1.2T in above-ground cash looking for opportunity.

    • georgehants

      Johannes, good point, for me personally disappointment of course but no problem at all, we just move on.
      Far more important we have not attacked Rossi or any scientist trying to introduce a new science.
      There will always be people who cheat, many in main-line science every day by denying the Truth.

    • Sanjeev

      This blog discusses all LENR. Even guest posts are invited.
      You can always check out or others, if you think Rossi is the highlight here (he is probably).

    • Ged

      It’s not too big a deal. We’ve gained so much knowledge about the LENR system, that we have plenty to work with.

  • KenLebrun

    Never doubted Rossi. The author of the report couldn’t help himself when he drafted it with an obvious political bias. Snake! I like Rossi’s description of this person. It’s sad that humanity is so degraded. I give Rossi credit for being so strong throughout his work. With threats, attempts to skew, blackmails, and constant trolling; he has a lot of courage staying the course. Wish him luck and pray for his safety.

    Forum following this:

  • georgehants
  • Marius

    More info on the Hydrobetatron on 22passi.

  • Bruno

    Rossi, just show us the certificate and put the matter to rest.

  • Renzo

    New interview with Aldo Proia, the licensee for Italy:

    • Aldo Proia: “…we knew that the maximum COP of the apparatus – taken to extremes but not being proposed because its commercially unstable – was about 200, a tremendous value.”

      And that is just a primitive lab prototype.

      • Francesco CH

        IBTimes: In una sua precedente intervista ha dichiarato di essere rimasto impressionato del fatto che l’E-cat funzionasse per 12 ore ininterrottamente senza energia elettrica. Siamo di fronte ad un cambiamento epocale nel modo di concepire l’energia?


        IBTimes: In a previous interview, you affirmed to be impressed by the fact that the E-Cat worked for 12 hours straight without electricity. We are facing a sea change in the way of thinking about energy?

        • Francesco CH


          “are we facing a sea change in the way of thinking about energy?”

          • Infinite COP after startup – so x200 is just barely adequate then!

    • Ted

      It looks like a fake foto.
      No shadow.
      Halo on his right side, left has none.

      • Ged

        There’s shadow. You can see the shadow of his shoes, and the shadow of his body stretching out towards 9/10 o’clock. All the shadows in that picture are soft due to the ubiquitous lighting. Monitor quality will probably affect how it appears.

        Besides, that photo’s been around a long while.

  • Jon Baggs

    Andrea we all(most) have our fingers crossed for you, and wish you the best of luck. I hope you get through all the silly problems that are being thrown at you by these fools.

  • Ivan Mohorovicic

    A voluntary certification is one that is not mandated by laws and/or regulations (that would be a mandatory certification). It’s not a self-certification, it has to be made by authorized third party entities.

    One can have as many voluntary certifications as he wishes (the more, the merrier), but must comply to all needed mandatory certifications. We don’t know if Rossi has yet. I personally don’t know what kind of mandatory certifications would be needed to sell his products in the European territory.

    • Ged

      Voluntary can always fulfill mandatory too.

      • Yes, it should be ‘convertible’ if carried out by a recognised testing company to an acceptable specification. I would imagine that existing electric furnace test specs might be applicable if the absence of any detectable external radiation means that no special tests are needed (although that is far from certain).

        Typical British standards (EU will be similar or identical):

    • Karl

      To me it seems to be a natural step to start with a safety certification for the E-Cat. Many customers will certainly ask for it. Its a totally new product and it has been a lot of speculation about the type of process, level and type of radiation etc. Let’s hope will will see it published soon so that false information can be stopped.