Friendly Fire

I am sure that very few people imagined that the aftermath of the Zurich E-Cat conference would end the way it did. An event that was intended to shed more light on the E-Cat has given way to a state of confusion as Hydrofusion, one of Rossi’s licensees, issued a press release casting doubt on the veracity of the high temperature E-Cat.

It is not unusual to hear criticisms of Andrea Rossi from various outside sources, but to receive such a vote of no confidence from a close associate is certainly a public relations blow for Andrea Rossi and Leonardo Corporation — perhaps reaching to others in the LENR movement.

It should be noted that Hydrofusion has not disavowed E-Cat technology altogether. Indeed its own web site, Ecat.com, is still marketing the E-Cat, and taking pre-orders for E-Cat products. It looks like their problem is with the hot cat technology only.

To summarize, the problem arose when on September 6, a Swedish testing group tested a hot cat reactor in Bologna, and according to NyTeknik, measured input electrical power of two to three times higher than that reported in the recently published document released by Leonardo Corp., which, if true, would cancel out any excess heat produced from the reactor.

Andrea Rossi made multiple comments explaining the situation from his point of view, the latest of which is here (Caps in original):

DEAR READERS:
TODAY A BIG MESS IS POPPED OUT FROM A SHORT MEASUREMENT THAT HAS BEEN DONE THE LAST WEEK. I REALLY HAVE DIFFICULTY TO UNDERSTAND WHY SOME PERSONS HAVE TOTALLY IGNORED WHAT I CLEARLY SAID IN MY PRELIMINAR STATEMENT IN THE REPORT PRESENTED IN ZURICH: I SAID THAT ALL THE DATA ARE NOT FINAL, THE VALIDATION, THE R&D, THE CERTIFICATION OF THE HIGH TEMPERATURE REACTOR ARE IN COURSE AND THE FINAL REPORT WILL BE RELEASED WITHIN MONTHS. NOW, A GUY COMES HERE (INVITED FROM US) MAKES SOME HOUR OF MEASUREMENT, GOES AWAY AND A WEEK AFTER MAKES A PRESS CONFERENCE LIKE HE HAS MADE A PROCESS OF VALIDATION THAT TAKES MONTHES: DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE? I AM VERY CONFUSED. ANYWAY:
THE EXTERNAL SURFACE OF OUR REACTOR IS 933 CM^2
THE TEMPERATURE WE REACH WHEN IT IS STABLE IS 1050 CELSIUS ON THE EXTERNAL SURFACE. THE GUY IS ESCAPED FROM US BEFORE THE REACTOR REACHED THE DUE TEMPERATURE SAYING HE HAD SEEN ENOUGH ( ENOUGH OF WHAT?).
THE MAX POWER OF THE RESISTANCE IS 8 kW
WITH THESE NUMBERS ONLY, THE ENERGY PRODUCED IS ABOUT 17 kWH/H, WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE ENERGY FROM THE INTERNAL CYLINDER (WHATEVER IT IS), THE CONVECTION ENERGY ( WHICH IS A LOT).
NOW: IN THE NEXT 2 MONTHS WE HAVE TO ARRIVE TO A PRECISE DETERMINATION OF THE MAXIMUM COP, BUT JUST FROM THESE VERY BASIC ANC CONSTANT NUMBERS ( INDIPENDENT FROM THE MEASUREMENTS OF AMPS AND OHMS) WE HAVE A COP AROUND 2.
THE ITER PROGRAM, TO MAKE ENERGY WITH NUCLEAR HOT FUSION, IS COSTED 100 BILLION OF EUROS AND GOT NOT EVEN 1.01 OF COP.
SO, WHAT ?
IN THE FINAL REPORT YOU WILL SEE A LIST OF MANY PROFESSORS AND ENGINEERS WHO ARE MAKING ALL THE NECESSARY MEASUREMENTS FOR MONTHS.
LET ME WORK, AND LET THE TEAM OF PROFESSORS AND ENGINEERS WHO ARE MAKING THE VALIDATION ANDE CERTIFICATION WORK. THIS TIME, ANYWAY, WE GOT FRIENDLY FIRE, IT APPEARS.
ANDREA ROSSI

So, with regards to the E-Cat, it appears we are pretty much where we have been for a long time, waiting for more information. There are some differences following the Zurich report. We now know the name of a certifying agency that has been involved in testing — SGS — and the nuclear engineer who has done some of the testing: Fabio Penon. From the report we have many new details about the hot cat, but the impact of the report has been muted by the report out of Sweden.

One report from the conference mentions the installation of an E-Cat plant in an industrial setting. On Dr. Myron Evans blog is a report from a conference attendee named Horst who writes:

I am back now from the congress. This was a big succuss with about 200 participants. Rossi attended all sessions and gave an extensive evening talk with myriads of details. Main topic of the congress however was not the technique but market introduction aspects and comparisons with other technologies.

The situation with the E-cat is as follows: Currently a 1 MW version in a container is going to be shipped. A first installation at military exists but cannot ve visited. In about 3 months a company in North Italy will have a first machine from series production which can be studied by interested buyers and investors. The 1 MW version has been certified for industry usage.

This is what everyone following the E-Cat story is really waiting for. Until we can see an E-Cat working there will room for debate and doubt. Andrea Rossi has always maintained that there will be no mass media attention until that point, and right now he is probably glad that there relatively little media attention.

So the wait for more information continues. As always we will be following the story here.

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  • GreenWin

    Av: Mats Lewan NyTeknik Interview w/ Magnus Holm CEO Hydro Fusion
    Publicerad 18 november 2011 14:04

    NyT: There is great skepticism about Rossi’s technology. How do comment on that?

    Holm: “Until he makes an independent test, there is obviously a small chance that it does not work. We are willing to take that risk because it’s such an amazing technology if it works. Further support that it’s real comes from the fact that all independent physicists who have observed the tests are positive, and have expressed belief in the mechanism. I do not have much sympathy for the crowd of skeptics who insist in spending substantial time and energy, just to be able to boast a ‘what did I say’ if it should turn out to be wrong.”

  • sparks

    Why are my posts being removed?

  • the viewer

    THE FRIENDLY FIRE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOMETHING ELSE!

    Some 15 years ago the most well known Swedish inventor of modern time, was lurked into a setup by agents of the military-industrial complex. What was at stake was no more or less than the world market for global air-traffic systems. The inventors name is Håkan Lans (Hakan Lans) and the invention he had come up with was a self-regulating air-trafic system [named ADS-B or STDMA], with the possibility of getting rid of most of the old systems of radars and traffic-leaders. The cost of the new system was on a level of ca. 5% of the old, and holding a lot of advantages as higher flight safety, higher traffic narrowness etc.

    As soon as the system come to be known by the powers that be (foremost by the US avionics industry), offers was made to buy the invention. The FAA of US also wrote into a memorandum, that the invention of Mr. Lans, also put at risk American industrial interests. As either our self or Mr. Lans had access to Internet 15 years ago, he could not have the easy access into the ugly world affairs, that have shown it’s face since we got the new media. Mr. Lans therefore took the decision to keep the invention to his native country Sweden. This decision generated an attack om Lans and the system, by a conspiracy to use the US legal system to bankrupt Mr Lans and try to get hold of his invention. At the side of this US started high level processes at UN and other institutions, to hinder that Mr. Lans supreme air-trafic system should have any chance to become a standard system in US, as well as try to hinder it become world standard.

    Practically the set-up was initiated by having the CEO of a Swedish legal firm, moving in to become an neighbor with Mr. Lans, and beginning in a ‘neighboringly’ way to offering to rake in the royalty on one of his earlier inventions, one of the major systems of color graphics in PC,s. Somewhat reluctant Mr. Lans took the bait after some time. The next step in the complot was that a high-level agent (on state secretary level) in Pentagon, and who earlier had made an carrier by being a watchdog on US interests relative foreign arms deals etc., did leave his state secretary job at Pentagon, to travel to Sweden and work at the apprentice level, to help the Swedish law firm with Mr. Lans matters.

    On the US side a law firm was put into action to work with the Mr. Lans matters. It later on come to be shown, that almost all of the involved attorneys at that firm, had their earlier careers, at the main US government institution keeping watch on US interests, relative unfair foreign competition.

    Soon enough Mr. Lans become drawn into a more than 10 year legal fight in corrupt US courts, and the ‘very nice’ attorneys who had made up an contingency deal (no win, no pay) with Mr. Lans, soon also come to be drawing a steady stream of millions in dollars from their clients royalty account (the legal costs might have been around $20 million or so). A negative factor was that Mr. Lans also, by the deal with the US law firm, had his rights to be a witness in his own trial taken away from him. This fight was going on for about 10- 15 years and Mr. Lans giving very minimal help from the native country he struggled to keeping the invention in.

    The end result, as we only partially can see today, was that US succeeded in it’s effort to hinder Mr. Lans system being the standard in US, and so also partially globally. What US did, was to create two other, ‘made in US’, systems (somewhat technically inferior to Mr. Lans system), that later was set up to be judged beside Mr. Lans system, and anyone can easily guess which system of the three, that wasn’t supposed to be fit as a US standard. But separately the system of Mr. Lans, had at the time begin to get strong support in some European countries, Russia and others. The UN therefore later on decided that the world should have two different standards of the new air-traffic system. As a side information, it can be told that Mr. Lans system (in its marine version) become the SOLE world standard för marine traffic, under the name AIS (as a negative the UN institute handling the matter, pushed Mr. lans to deprive him of his royalty for AIS).

    On the legal side Mr. Lans recently made an deal with some of his major legal adversaries, but he still have to handle several court cases both in the US and Sweden. Below is some links for further information on the above (to read Swedish articles on the net, use Google translation).

    Wikipedia on Håkan Lans
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A5kan_Lans

    Automatic dependent surveillance-broadcast
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADS-B#VDL_mode_4

    Self-Organized Time Division Multiple Access
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Organized_Time_Division_Multiple_Access

    SO WHAT HAVE ALL OF THIS TO DO WITH THE ROSSI E-CAT?

    Well, there is several direct similarities behind the two cases. First of all both of the inventions is new technology, who risk to take away todays earnings in their respective fields (of course the Rossi E-cat is the more fat cow, risking to lay most of todays global energy systems/earnings in ruins). By that we can also be most certain, that the powers that be, will set in ‘active measures’ also against Rossi and other pioneers of Cold Fusion (as against Mr. Lans).

    But the more interesting connection behind th two cases, is that a central factor in the set-up of Mr. Lans, was a secret group of investors, and ugly enough we now can se that such a secret group also have popped up relative to Mr. Rossi. In the Lans case the secret investors was guaranteeing the legal fees, but in the Rossi case they seems to act as more normal investors.

    The thing is that this group of secretive investors pops up, and as a result of their actions, succeeds in building up a lot of negative media hype against Rossi and his E-Cat, and also doing so in a what seems as very ‘nicely timed’ action relative the late E-Cat conference. As a result of this, I recommend Mr. Rossi to not judge the last days of attacks against him and his E-Cat as FRIENDLY FIRE, it might very well be your REAL ENEMY in action (ie. the global energy establishment). The secret group of investors should therefore be put into the sunlight to be dissected, as well as the individuals behind the Anglo-Swedish firm Hydrofusion, who makes the deals with the secretive group.

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

      Thanks for this story. It proves (as many already assume) that US agencies and commercial groups working together will resort to absolutely any tactics they believe will protect their interests. These are not nice people and will not have changed (except for the worse) in 15 years.

      Rossi is ‘world wise’ and clever, but he may not be aware of the sheer depths that those who may lose from his innovations will sink to to defend their investments, and the sheer persistence with which they will carry out their agenda.

    • s

      So, are you trying to make a statement about the National Testing Institute?

  • jacob

    It appears the resellers in Sweden are getting frustrated and are now realizing the obstacles in their way ,that they did not count on,like getting paid for the E-cats with some uncertainty clouded by the hotcats
    bad reputation all of a sudden.
    maybe it would have been best ,to focus on the performance of the low temp
    E-cat and it’s performance data.
    Hindsight is 50/50 I guess

  • GreenWin

    Av: Mats Lewan NyTeknik Interview w/ Magnus Holm CEO Hydro Fusion
    Publicerad 18 november 2011 14:04

    NyT: How will you ensure that the products work before you sell them?

    Holm: “This is a difficult question as it’s Rossi’s responsibility that the product works. We only act as agents. But because there are powerful forces who want to argue that it’s all about fraud, we will make one or more of the following to prove our honesty.

    1) Explain the risk with such a premature product to the customer and ensure that customers are forced only to take a minimal financial risk.

    2) Try to arrange a complete product testing before any payment is made.

    3) Ensure that all payments are done through an escrow account with a full refund if the products do not meet the specifications.

    4) Through potential funding move the financial risk from the customer to Hydrofusion.

    5) Arrange an independent reactor test as a reference that in all cases the core process works.

    The real risk is only with the first product sales. Rossi will have to correct until the first product is operating and it will then be a reference. When the first product works, the risk with the next one is greatly reduced.”

    Excerpts: http://hydrofusion.com/press

    Full interview:

    http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3347150.ece

    NOTE: Mats Lewan is no longer Writing or Editing this story. He was “promoted.”

  • Auenland

    “The 1 MW version has been certified for industry usage.”

    Even in Zuürich Rossi failed to make a proud presentation of this certified unit and the certification process and people continue to repeat such BS?

    When will they demand from Rossi what he always prays? Stop talking, show us the working units and evidences!

    • Martin

      A certificate number and/or the name of the institute/company shouldn’t be so hard to deliver. But I guess it’s all under NDA, as usual.

  • Ivan_cev

    An investor wants to put $10M in e-cat tech. So gets a company to make validations because they have INSURANCE, if the advice is wrong the investor demand them, one if the advice is wrong and the loss $10M, second if the advice is wrong and the miss the business for $10M.
    So the insured engineer goes on site with his equipment, and discovers discrepancies, probably he changes meters, and try again, then start to make conclusions, is satisfied and leave.
    Now what you change: The engineer or his meters.
    No you change the power supply! Why? Is the element causing the discrepancies.
    In fact you admit by your actions that the power supply is affecting the measurements.
    I do not believe the qualified Engineer is wrong, I believe everybody else was using standard digital meters designed to work with regular mains electricity. An not with cut by triac waves.
    Even if the ecat have a COP OF 1.1 It will be the discovery of the millenia.
    You make your conclusions

  • Stephen

    Ok let us be serious: in principle, Mr.Rossi could easily WIPE OFF and DERIDE any “friendly fire” as well as any “enemy fire” and do this with sound FACTS if he wanted to AND had the power to do so, i.e. if he had something real and solid. By AR declarations, this is supposed to be a large % energy gain on top of an absolutely HUGE power input. Something on which it is real hard to be mistaken about. In principle this effect is not sth like a blip on the screen… it’s more similar to a train straight into your face: you can discuss and quarrel about the first one, not really about the second one… it just hits you. And hard.

    Just one question: why no to clarify all these doubts? As mentioned many times… it could all be done without breaking any secret, so let us not use that explanation, pls.

    This is tiring: this story has been going on for over two years now… that is a long time. How can it be that somebody out there can still doubt there is no excess heat and there is no xtal clear answer to all this?

    This is a very disappointing status of the thing. I understand investors’ reaction.

  • Kim

    I would like to purchase a 250 kilowatt unit.

    If you have a system that produces energy 24/7.
    Then you need to re tool and re think how a home
    can function with large amounts of energy in the form of heat and steam.

    A Home to Have:

    Central steam centrifugal freon pump. A large multipurpose
    central freon cooling plant in outside enclosed space. Capable
    of delivering Low side coolant for house environment, Large Refridge/Freezer.

    The house could be heated via the High side supply easily.

    The cooking oven run by Hot-cat Technology.

    This would take care of most of the high energy appliances of a
    House.

    The rest of the appliances could be run by electrical energy
    produced via heat conversion of the E-cat Turbine.

    I would like to purchase a 250 kilowatt unit for all my house
    hold needs.

    Respect
    Kim

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      I would like to purchase a 250 kilowatt unit for all my house
      hold needs.

      Respect
      Kim

      For someone that hates filthy lucre why do you want 20 times the usual home power needs? That’s big enough for AlGore.

      • Kim

        I was mostly think about when the systems are closed and
        run themselves.

        Perhaps this will happen in the distant future,
        perhaps I’m dreaming.

        I certainly would not want to have to supply the
        electricity to run a 250 kilowatt unit.

        I’m dreaming of true free thermal energy.

        Respect
        Kim

        • Omega Z

          Kim

          Your actually thinking a little more to reality then most. A 10Kw E-cat could never come close to running the average home even with 50% Electric conversion. Just cut your number in half. That’s a starting point. Which is Not economical for majority of individual homes.

          Ok- We’re stuck at this starting point until other technologies improve including the E-cat. Only then will we be able to do more realistic calculations. It’s going to be a while.

  • georgehants

    Have pushed Mr. Rossi as hard as I can, These are his latest reply’s, he is happy for them to be published.
    Nothing new, but clear.
    —–
    Thank you, I repeat that the indipendent third party test is in course
    since 2 months and will end, I suppose, within 2 months.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.
    —–
    For the low temp already made the necessary tests. Next will be made by
    the Customers of the plants we are manufacturing. We are no more in the
    R&D phase for the low T ecats, while we are in R&D phase for the High T.
    Wasm Regards,
    A.
    —–
    My reply—-
    Mr. Rossi I fully understand what you say.
    What is now needed is clear conformation from one of you customers or
    certifiers etc. stating their testing results of the original E-Cat
    unit.
    Rossi’s reply
    It will be published together with the validation of the high temp
    reactor.
    We are making all in one.
    Warm Regsrds,
    A.R.

    • georgehants

      An update he has sent me to publish—–
      What is unacceptable in all this mumbojumbo is that I said clearly that
      the indipendent third party tests are in course, will finish in 2-3
      months, and I said and wrote that all the present data are subject to
      corrections…but this statement has been pretty ignored and they are
      treating provisional and incomplete data as if they were final. Like to
      consider final the result of a foot ball match after the first quarter.
      Warmest Regards,
      Andrea

      • Kim

        Thanks for the information from
        Andrea Rossi.

        Respect
        Kim

        • daniel maris

          Thanks George – interesting to have that.

        • Ged

          Yes, thanks indeed!

    • Martin

      I am stunned that Mr. Rossi not only works 16 hours/day on his ECats but also finds time to read and write on the internet pretty often.

      • Ged

        You’d be surprised what some of us can do, then.

        • daniel maris

          I’ve worked 14 hours in a day before now and posted maybe 8 times on this site. It depends how you view things. For Rossi on his site as for me here, visiting the website and commenting is a form of relaxation. MOst of Rossi’s comments are very brief. Most days he rarely exceeds 200 words.

          • Ged

            I know how painful it can be, oh heck yes. You’ve worked seriously hard.

            Kinda depends on the line of work too. Some things involve a bit of waiting while multiple projects “cook”, and sometimes computers are more present than others, so access is available to multitask.

            And I completely agree, posting here is a nice stress reliever.

      • Miles

        What some people consider work isn’t work. I think working 16 hrs a day on LENR is more of a hobbie to Rossi. Besides, I find reading everyone’s comments enjoyable & interesting.

  • hammerskoj

    The official report of Prometeion [see 22Passi] contains a small error: it says that inner tube is made of ‘aluminum’. This is clearly inpossible [Al melts at 660 c], but aluminum hydride is a candidate stuff for hydrogens storing and releasing in automotive app. Perhaps this is tha way to generate H in the Hot-Cat: a coating of an aluminum hydride layed on steel inner tube.

    • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

      the published report said it was steel, same alloy as outer tube, also its weight versus visible thickness was roughly consistent with it being steel.

      • hammerskoj

        I mean not the ‘official report’ of test but the NEW press release of Prometeion [in 22Passi]. Look at it.

        • hammerskoj

          Quote, via Google Translate:

          ….. A portion of the hot aluminum cylinder (covered with a special refractory material) which houses the low-cost small power Rossi generator is clearly visible in a picture ….. circulated on the web.

          • Ged

            There’s a lot wrong in that passage, some could be from the translation though. Refactory material? Nope, radiative material. Aluminum? Well, aluminum could be part of the catalyst or the hydrogen storage system… but it isn’t in the steel grade used (aisi 310), so nope, not an aluminum cylinder.

            Just a bad press release or bad translation.

            • hammerskoj

              Bad press release for sure, but errors, sometimes, are enlightening.

              • Ged

                True indeed! You make a good point.

                • Hammerskoj

                  Look at thermography images, too. Question: why a radiating devices with strong axial simmetry shows a hot spot on his surface?

                • Ged

                  Hm? In the images from the report, there is incredible uniformity in the heating along the long axis, which I pointed out specifically. At the very edges, you get a spike, but that’s mostly due to the convection coming out of the inner pipe area.

                  There’s a little bit of short axis variability, where the bottom looks hotter, but that could be related to differences in convection too, and how our view is.

                  Unless, there is a new picture that shows a hot spot effect?

                • Hammerskoj

                  Look at page 9 of Cures ‘official report’;
                  enlarge and judge hot section of 3D graphs.
                  I found this, too:
                  http://deepblue.lib.umich.edu/bitstream/2027.42/77223/1/AIAA-18239-462.pdf
                  It is not directly linked but VERY interesting.

                • Ged

                  Oh gees, for a second there I thought that link you provided was some “Cures” report I had missed. You almost shocked me for a second!

                  Anyways, I looked at page 9′s picture, and I’m still not sure what you mean. I don’t see any hot spots in the long axis. In the short (vertical) axis, there is a gradient which is interesting. As I’ve said before, I’m not sure exactly what that gradient means (notice, the resistance wires are evenly spaced, so it isn’t from the input power). I’m guessing it’s still related to convection, since the top of the cylinder’s short axis is cooler and also exposed to air more. I’d be willing to bet, that circled area in the picture is above where one of the steel struts the Hot Cat is sitting on is, thus making a micro environment that keeps a bit more heat around.

                  Those 3D graphs above the camera picture show remarkable uniformity too, no jagged spikes that would be hot spots.

                  So hm, no hot spots that I can see, at least not by the definition of “spot” I’m using. Can you point to me specifically what seems like a hot spot to you? The area 2 circle maybe?

              • Hammerskoj

                Ged, the spot labeled “Area 1″ in NOT a footprint of steel strut. It is detectable very clearly on 3d graph; furthermore the image in pag. 5, lower left, only a bit doctored, shows a big ellipsoidal overheated area; so I am near sure that heat output was asymmetrical.

                • Ged

                  Area 1 the circle is not a hot spot either, I think, I was just wondering if that was the spot you were thinking was a “hot spot”. It’s completely congruous with the temperatures along the long axis however.

                  I also still do not see these overheated areas you speak of. I see complete continuation of the gradients… Maybe you can edit the picture to outline what you think is “asymmetrical heating”, as I must continue to disagree with your analysis as it stands (perhaps we are simply arguing semantics!).

                • Ged

                  Also, I took a look at page 5… All I see is the Hot Cat being assembled/disassembled and weighed on that page.

            • hempenearth

              We also learned from the report that the module includes a tablet that acts as a hydrogen reserve. The nickel and catalyser active charge are separate from the tablet. The location of this tablet and how it breaks down may explain some of the thermal imaging.
              Apologies if this has already been covered – I haven’t had a chance to read the older comments.

              • Hammerskoj

                This is a very good point.
                Now:
                - A sheet like flexible core, all in one, wrapped on heater or tube
                - An hydrogen generating tablet AND a separate, small active core
                - An hydrogen generating coating with a sputtered active core
                - Etc etc.
                But I remember an old note of Cures:
                “we handled with trouble the very small and cooked bit of metal from the device …”
                Perhaps thermal discontinuity shows really active core.

                • Ged

                  Hm… these are all possibilities. Wish we could figure out which was most likely.

                  I kinda have a view of it that your first option is the most likely one. That’s how I would make it. That or the third option. But.. hm…

              • Ged

                I didn’t know the tablet was separate from the nickel/catalyst areas, that is very interesting to know, thank you for that. It’s location (or locations if it’s a powder such as an aluminum compound) may explain some of the short axis gradient, as per it pooling at the bottom of the device due to gravity. But I’m still pretty sure that’s mostly just convection. The bottom will have the worst air flow, and hence it’s getting the most heat build up?

                • Marius

                  The bottom of the device will be in the center of the image as the thermal camera is located close to the floor pointing up as seen in picture on page 8.

                • Hammerskoj

                  I think, too, that the black coating of external tube and the “void” in the internal tube are active parts of device.

                • hempenearth

                  I’m not sure if the air flow will be effected by the way the tablet is reported to behave – Rossi said the tablet released atomic hydrogn at one temperature and absorbed atomic hydrogen at another temperature

                • Ged

                  Ohh, I completely missed that picture, thank you for pointing it out! There goes my idea about convection. Still don’t know what the short axis gradient is then.

  • Martin

    BTW, when will we be able to read the promised article in some “scientifc magazine”. Any popular science mag will do.

    • artefact

      Was that your question at yonp?

      here is the answer:

      Andrea Rossi
      September 11th, 2012 at 6:38 AM
      Dear Detective:
      You will know the scientific magazine’s name when the paper will have been published.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

    • jfab

      The article will be available on 8th of september.

      “On the 8th of September we will publish on scientific magazines the complete report” (Rossi)

      The year is not mentioned though.

      • Martin

        lol