Rossi says Publication Release Day is September 10th . . . or 8th

For some time Andrea Rossi has been talking about the release of a report providing data about his high temperature E-Cat reactors and which will include validation from third parties. Rossi today has given us a pretty firm idea of when this information will be released — although there are two different dates mentioned. Here are two comments from the Journal of Nuclear Physics:

“On the 10th of September the report will be published, after the presentation of the same at the 1st Convention of the World Licensees of Leonardo Corporation that will be made in Zurich.”

“On the 8th of September we will publish on scientific magazines the complete report.”

There is a slight discrepancy here, but the dates are very close, so it seems that by the 10th of September at the latest the report will be published. I recently asked Rossi if I may receive a copy of the report to publish on E-Cat World, and he said he would send me the report “within September 10th”, so I am assuming the second date is more likely. I suppose it is possible that the magazines will receive their reports a bit earlier than some other web sites, since they may need some time to get them ready for print publication. According to Rossi, the published report will bear the signatures of those involved in the testing, which include Domenico Fioravanti (a.k.a. Cures), and six professors from two universities.

In addition to this report, there will apparently be a separate test carried out by the University of Bologna which Rossi says will be an official report with results published by University. The date for this test has not been specified, but Rossi says that it will be carried out “within the half of October” — presumably he means during the first half of October.

So, if everything goes according to plan, there will be some interesting information coming out in the near future, which will apparently not be only a “Rossi says” statement — but will apparently include validation from qualified professionals.

  • Jim Lahey

    “Apple is believed to be planning an event for Sept. 12 at which it is likely to unveil its next smartphone.” – CNN.com

    Rossi, bud, please announce before this crApple event! I’d rather hear about you instead of the new iCrap device for the next 2 weeks.

    • Martin

      Can’t see any connection between those two events. If you do not want to know about certain information just don’t read or listen. Pretty simple, uh?

      • http://wermenh.com Ric Werme

        I think he’s suggesting that once Apple makes an announcement there won’t be any time for the MSM to cover a boring (to them) device like an E-cat.

        Me, I think announcing before Apple means the MSM will continue to cover celebrity drug use, the latest gaffe in the election campaign, and all those other more important items instead of a boring device like the E-Cat.

        • Jim Lahey

          You got it Ric, thank you.

          I drink therefore I am. Cheers bud!

  • Jag Kaurah

    Innovators and inventors are optimistic people. They look forward and always underestimate the difficulties and time required.

    When developing a whole new technology, scaling it up, optimising it and developing manufacturing operations time lines repeatedly slip.

    I think Rossi means well and wants to move as fast as possible. However, like almost all people like him he did not realise he has to go through all the steps from A to Z step by step not jump over all steps between the first and last.

    • Don Witcher

      I think that if you study Rossi’s history objectively you will find that Rossi is a very experienced entrepreneur that has been doing this all his life. Thats why he had the money to self finance his early work. As far as I can tell he has set his schedule and is meeting it. Its the skeptics who seem to lack understanding of realistic development procedures and processes. The skeptics have also deliberately misinterpreted what he has been willing to communicate to paint the picture of a bumbling scammer for people who don’t have time to do their homework properly.

      • Lamont

        Skepticism on alternative energy is absolutely the right stance. There have been a number of scams clearly meant to draw in government R&D funds. So far that does not seem to be the case with E-Cat.

        But delve a little into a company called eeStor and you will find that it was simply a way to fraudulently string along any who might consider it a worthy investment. Apparently no one need worry about going to jail for saying year after year that they are about to release a working prototype that will get widespread news coverage.

        And widespread news coverage, if it happens, will be what clinches whether E-Cat is real, or just another hoax.

        • http://wermenh.com Ric Werme

          “And widespread news coverage, if it happens, will be what clinches whether E-Cat is real, or just another hoax.”

          So wind turbines really are the solution to climate disruption (the latest term for Catastrophic Anthropgenic Global Warming). They do get widespread global news coverage.

          Skepticism is warranted. I’m happy to wait for satisfied customers – of E-Cats or wind turbines (once the scam, err, subsidies end)!

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    • Andrew Macleod

      Interesting…

      • daniel maris

        We’ll put it up on the wall planner… :)

        What we need at the moment is more confirmation and less conferencing.

  • GreenWin

    It would be karmic if Ing Rossi chose to publish the validations on September 11, 2012. Eleven years after the anomalous takedown of the twin towers in New York City. Not that the two events are connected, but that eleven years after this tragedy, a small group of human beings with a passion for unveiling a new form of energy – did so. And the positive impact will dwarf the twin towers, realigning the date to the beginning of a new era in human evolution.

    There is lots of resonance in this.

    • otto1923

      No this the date that markets will collapse worldwide when they absorb his publication. That will be karmic.

      • http://deadstickarizona-zedshort.blogspot.com/ Zedshort

        Perhaps we should prepare by buying short ETFs, with lots of leverage.

      • vbasic

        Actually, cheap energy will make the markets very happy. Many industries and businesses are desperate for cheap energy, including server farms such as for google, steel companies, ocean shipping, truck transport, and even food production. The only market that might hurt would be coal but that’s down already thanks to cheap natural gas.

    • Bruno

      Assuming that his “report” isn’t just another “Rossi says” advertisement, telling us about all the breakthroughs he has made. Unless the report includes independent 3rd party validation by a competent person or persons (or cuctomers), unaffiliated with Rossi, the report will mean nothing. I’m not holding my breath, like I did last October, only to be disappointed by all the convenient secrecy.

  • georgehants

    dragonX, we ran out of room below. You said.
    —-
    dragonX on August 16, 2012 at 7:30 pm
    Seriously, georgehants :-) … UFO SHOULD NOT be investigated!
    1.If there are aliens up there, and they want to contact us, let them doing the contact on their terms. No resources lost from us.
    2.If they are there but don’t want to contact us, then it is a waste of time and resources to try to find them, since they can hide pretty well.
    3.If they are not there, looking for them is nonsense.
    —-
    This is not the place to discuss UFO’s only the similarity between incompetent sciences treatment of Cold Fusion and many other subjects where the Evidence is indisputable but Dogma prevents sensible research.
    Your reasons for not investigating this serious scientific subject I find Illogical.
    Peace to you.

    • AstralProjectee

      We already do look for extraterrestrial life as astronomers and rovers are studying space and planets. It’s just a by product of our natural curiosity of what is out there. In other words we don’t look for life because we believe it first but we do look for it because we just have a natural curiosity for the universe.

      Astronomers have found that there are more planets out there that contain the elements for life than what we realized. While we are at it, we should look for life, if we can.

      Peace.

    • dragonX

      I agree this is not a place for UFO discussion but I proud myself as being a logical person. What exactly you find illogical to my answer for the 3 UFO possibilities? In my view they are as logical as they can be.

      AstralProjectee, we are talking about the logic behind putting significant resources on investigating UFO specifically, not about normal science projects like MARS Curiosity.

      • AstralProjectee

        As for that. Well maybe not right away. But certainly it would be worth it to do some investigation once our technology is much better and a lot of the suffering on earth is dealt away with. This certainly has not been confronted with enough investigation to eliminate the possibility of UFO’s coming here and leaving without interference in human life.

        • Andrew Macleod

          Agreed we should concentrate on earth. To aliens we will be gods or cavemen.

          • Andrew Macleod

            I wonder which word put me in moderation???

      • Carlos

        The army ALWAYS investigates UFOs. That’s because it’s far, far more probable than they come from an enemy country than from outer space. It’s a question of national security and significant resources are spent on them.
        That’s why there are archives to be released every X years.

        • dragonX

          I think Georgehants is hinting at a civilian program of UFO Studies with important resources put to work regarding the logistics of such endeavour.

  • hammerskoj

    See last page of pdf file at
    https://decibel.ni.com/content/docs/DOC-23750

    “High energy density (>800eV/Ni-atom) power lasting several weeks or more, with negligible radiations (to be confirmed by scale-up exp”

    … “for Ni-atom” !!!, that is Rossi’s reactor style.

    • GreenWin

      And the Beat goes on…

      • GreenWin

        In the 4D/TSC reaction they are confirming once again fusion transmuted He4. And the addition of 8% Cu “doping” appears to accelerate heat levels and consistency. Great work from Takahashi-Kitamura NI 2012 LENR.

        Also interesting is the appearance of non-radiative fission of the metal lattice. So, both fusion and fission appear possible components of the AHE.

        • hempenearth

          Excuse my ignorance but what does TSC stand for in this presentation? Thanks in advance.

          • ztexas

            Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate

          • GreenWin

            Akito Takahashi proposes a nonlinear Langevin equation that depicts a Tetrahedral Symmetric Condensate with four deuterons and four electrons. Takahashi proposes this as a seed of four-deuterium fusion with helium-4 products in condensed matter. TSC condenses in about 1.4fs to make 4D fusion; then, the compound nucleus Be-8* breaks up into two helium-4 atoms as a major outgoing channel

  • http://www.american-reporter.com Joe Shea

    Having seen the amazing photo from Cures of the 1200C. device, I can wait 3 weeks to see the report, though for me it will have little weight. The real test of his device is whether a notable peer-reviewed journal like Science or Nature – the appropriate place for a discovery of this magnitude – will publish.

    BTW, yesterday my novella (see http://www.american-reporter.com) on cold fusion got 2 hits from the US Patent Office, according to SiteMeter! It’s also posted in its entirety on CNN as an iReport, and may soon be available on Kindle…

    • georgehants

      Well done Joe.

      • dragonX

        Kindle? Technical info please for me, how do you publish on kindle? What are the steps?

  • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

    Frank, on September 6th I’m going to beat Rossi to the punch and publish a paper validated by third parties that states the following: Charles Ponzi demonstrated an automobile that gets 200 miles per gallon without sacrificing comfort or amenities.

    Satisfied? You should be because you’re accepting the same validation from Rossi.

    Performance data in and of itself is useless and meaningless.

    • Ged

      Err, what? Performance data is exactly what we are after. If you indeed had a reputable third party publish validation that you had a vehicle that got 200 miles per gallon, the news would be all over you.

      • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

        Really? I can rent a Tesla for a day and outfit it with a 1 gallon gas tank and go 300 mpg and your third parties would publish validation.

        • Ged

          But the Tesla does not have an ICE, so it could not burn that gas, and therefor you would not have gone 300 mpg (you would be rated as infinite, since no gas can be consumed; this is why the MPGe metric was developed for electric vehicals). But, such a system is exactly why hybrids are rated with such high mpg, and people are all over that technology, trumpeting it, are they not?

          • http://www.none.com Charles Ponzi

            Performance data in and of itself is not proof. If you want to prove cold fusion exists you publish a step by step manual for a demo. If other people, total strangers, can reproduce it and replicate it, then you have proven cold fusion exists. Anything less than that is not acceptable by those who base their life on being nobody’s fool.

            • TommyT

              Rossi’s not in the business for proving TO YOU or a passer-by. Not being acceptable by you doesn’t mean much. We care more for a working black box rather than 100 white papers explaining why it cannot work. Love your attitude. Why? Trolling involves flattery too.

            • http://www.antiqueswords.com RobM

              I think that’s about the stupidest statement I’ve ever heard. Is that what they did with nuclear fission, Einstein?

            • David

              Good for you and your pride! You didn’t get snickered!
              Now would you mind terribly if the rest of us could ponder the possibility that just maybe you don’t have all the answers?
              kthanks!

        • GreenWin

          Desperation, anger, chagrin, humiliation, despondency. A vibrant new science introduced, and WE have not done it. Simple Charles, the word is and has been, anyone can do this – not just those who claim superior prerogative.

    • daniel maris

      Have you got a few Professors of Automative Science and Auto magazine to back your claim? Have you got a video showing the machine and allowing us a peek inside? If not why not?

      • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

        Exactly my point. Rossi is going to hide behind the “I’m a businessman trying to make money” cloak. He’s never going to show you what is inside.

        • TommyT

          Once he shows it to people; governments will kill him. But if he becomes rich selling these, he can buy the people from the government and keep’em in his pocket and stay alive and make the world a better place.

        • daniel maris

          He already has shown some of what is inside – do you not remember the heat transferring vains.

        • GreenWin

          Lotta skeps really annoyed that Rossi wants to protect a tradition of commerce called trade secret. Hey, Chuck, that’s why we have patent and copyright law, so inventors don’t get ripped off by unscrupulous agents and company.

          Coca Cola’s formula for Coke is a trade secret that’s been kept secret since 1886. Go complain to them. You just don’t like it when YOU can’t know something YOU want to know. We all got our secrets Chuck. Live with it.

          • http://www.none.com Charles Ponzi

            > You just don’t like it when YOU can’t know something YOU want to know.

            My older kid has a young pit-bull. He doesn’t like it when you give him something to chew, then take it away, then give it back to him, then take it away. He gets annoyed. It’s a natural response. It’s called teasing. Nobody likes it. A dog might react to teasing in a beastly manner. A man understands that he can’t always control the bad things that happen to him. How one responds to bad things is what makes the man.

            Rossi is teasing us. Frank responds by eating it all up and asking for more. GreenWin responds by claiming the man is a genius of business. I respond by saying he’s full of it, he lost my confidence, and the only way he’ll gain it back is by my quality control definition of proof.

            • x^5

              “quality control definition of proof”
              >>
              Sold Device to people … per Rossi.
              White-papers that you demand stopped being that.
              Rossi – smarter.

            • GreenWin

              On that note Charles, thank you for your contributions. It IS hard being told your opinion carries no weight. Check back when you’re feeling better.

        • Bruno

          The point is that Rossi does NOT even have to show what’s inside to prove that his device works. If he’s operating at the high temperatures and +6 COP that he’s claiming, then you only have to measure inputted and outputted energy (plus beginning and ending weight) long enough to exclude a hidden chemical source. You can do that without ever opening the device. Without independent 3rd party validation, the report will be meaningless.

    • GreenWin

      Chuck, you blow a lot of smoke for a rancher. Go take a look at the Takahashi-Kitamura NI 2012 LENR – slides just published. It’s a “validation” model of both fission and fusion occurring in the H+ 800eV/Ni reaction.

      The terror rising from skeps is reaching the shriek level. Calm down Chuck. It’ll all be over soon.

    • Barry

      The difference being CP is, A Rossi has some credibility.

  • sparks

    Cool! This means that the papers will be published at the same time that the e-cat mass-production facility begins rolling out home e-cats at a rate of one (1) million a year!! I have been on the edge of my seat since about a year ago, when Rossi asserted that the factory was already under construction and would begin mass production in “Autumn 2012.” I think it’s very cool that he is planning a detailed publication — at last — to mark this very auspicious event! As of September 11, 2012, the “cat” will be out of the bag.

    • MikeP

      ummm….I think Rossi’s been stating for several months now that the home e-cat is waiting for certification and that the timing is out of his hands.

      • NJT

        Apparently Sparks pays little attention except to the noise of his own dull drumbeat!

        • sparks

          No, I’m simply pointing out that I was right all along, and all those folks on the Rossi bandwagon a year ago were wrong. Yes MikeP, Rossi’s tune has changed since a year ago, and the last thing he wants is for his earlier pronouncements to be brought back into the light of day. That’s my POINT. That the claimed timing is suspect has always been my point. Everything is always out a month or two, or a year, and it gets forever pushed out. You, NJT, appear to be only paying attention to Rossi’s dull drumbeat. Try breaking out of Rossi’s spell and look objectively at the history and patterns to this point. Drop the ad-homs and look at the facts. That’s all I’m saying. And it’s looking very much like I’ll be back here a year from now typing out another “I told you so” missive like this one.

          • georgehants

            sparks, you are talking like a punter on a horse, best to keep such triviality to the beer houses.
            Perhaps you could put up a comment worth reading. Thank you.

            • dragonX

              georgehants, now you know what I meant when I said “Dark Clouds” will come to this forum if Rossi does not deliver.

            • georgehants

              dragonX, those dark clouds are always around, one must never be swayed by them.
              If Rossi does not perform then we have fairly given him his chance without abuse and prejudgment.
              So much of science is frightened of the establishment and peer pressure that they can find themselves applauding completely incompetent “opinion experts” who tell them Cold Fusion is a illusion.
              One must never ever follow, only do one’s own investigation or one could find oneself believing that UFO’s should not be investigated.

            • dragonX

              Seriously, georgehants :-)… UFO SHOULD NOT be investigated!
              1.If there are aliens up there, and they want to contact us, let them doing the contact on their terms. No resources lost from us.
              2.If they are there but don’t want to contact us, then it is a waste of time and resources to try to find them, since they can hide pretty well.
              3.If they are not there, looking for them is nonsense.

            • sparks

              And you, george, are of course the arbiter of what is worth reading. Why don’t we just funnel all comments through you and be done with it then? This Rossi story comes down to credibility. My claim has consistently been that his announcements sound unrealistic and half-baked, and that we will see nothing practical in the next 5 years. Is not that point of view a valid part of our assessment of the sketchy dispatches from Rossi? In fact, I think the persons being prejudicial are those believing Rossi without validation. A person I’d never want on a jury, unless I felt I had a bad case and no other way of winning. Now don’t go and say I’m a naysayer regarding the phenomenon of LENR. I think LENR is well established, but Rossi is another story.

            • GreenWin

              Anyone interested in the language of desperation, read the commentary by Mr. sparks. The tone is the same from skeps all over the net. Desperation riddled with hysteria.

              It is the sound of defeat.

            • sparks

              Greenwin apparently isn’t able to follow any of this.

    • BodhiD.

      I have hypothesis, that hypothetical (robotized) manufacture will fully used as production line for industrial e-cats, which are component of container 1 MW “plant”.

      Leonardo may earn 2 to 4 times more from these industrial e-cats then from home e-cats.

      Look at nVidia at their GeForce and Quadro and Tesla product lines for inspiration.

      Simply common folks interests are second class for some time.

      • Barry

        I’m not convinced Rossi’s intentions are just to make $. Is 50 billion more appealing then 10 billion? How much can one person spend in one lifetime?

  • dragonX

    Celani and others are important, but it does not show any time table for LENR to become commercial any time soon. Even Brillouin is not very close.

    If Defkalion is scam (as Stremmenos says) and Rossi is fraud, as we are slowly being led to believe due to his action over almost 2 years (and before) than commercial LENR is years (possible decades) away.

    If Defkalion or Rossi don’t change history books by end of 2012, then we will enter in a a long period of… waiting time.

    • Francesco CH

      Stremmenos says Defkalion is a scam and they try to steal the E-Cat technology from Rossi. Ergo, Stremmenos says Defkalion are SCAMMERS and THIEVES.

      Stremmenos states that Rossi’s technology is real: luckily for Rossi, and unfortunately for Dekalion, the Greek company was unable to steal the technology from Rossi.

      • Ged

        I don’t agree with Stremmenos. I don’t think Defkalion is a scam, I think they are trying to do things in a very different, and less controllable way. Hence all their frustrations.

      • Sanjeev

        Has he presented any evidence that DGT are scammers ? Are there any court cases etc?

        If not what are the intentions of Stremmenos ?

        Not that I’m pro DGT or work for them, but we should evaluate all with the same criteria. How is he different from an average pathoskep calling Rossi a scammer?

        Lets wait for their goods.

    • Ged

      Dragon, why are you suddenly so out against Rossi? I don’t see anything to support what you are trying to imply, and all facts have been building in the opposite direction.

      What’s bothering you, specifically?

      • dragonX

        It is the slippery attitude of Rossi that bothers me. The September events that he set up will be a break or make for his case regarding the ultra-skeptics, healthy-skeptics and healthy supporters. Obviously , there will always be a core of unhealthy-groopies-cultist supporters that will believe him in any situation. But the word of a man can be broken for just a few times before loosing all credibility. And without credibility, he is not doing Cold Fusion any service.
        If by September-October he cannot convince me (a healthy supporter) then I can safely say Celani is our best hope and don’t even look back to ROSSI.
        Then I go to Gary Writers side (joking, that guy is crazy).

        Celani did something noteworthy for Science History (and History in general). We know that any new technology (specially a disruptive one) is something very sensitive with the establishment. This Scientist (Celani) like Fleishmann before him, put his reputation on the line and brought a device at a big tech show (NIWeek) that WORKED!!! (in your face, mainstream science)!!! He got also somehow lucky because the experiment worked (imagine it did not).
        Now that we have confirmation about cold fusion effects, it is just about scaling this up and it might take a generation but it will be done with new materials and better understanding (and some luck).
        Rossi on the other hand… is a Messiah. So either he is real and he needs to prove it to us, performing a miracle by end of the year, like he promised… or be stoned for blasphemy.

        • Ged

          I can certainly agree with all you say there.

        • dragonX

          I had to fight with many many (and very aggressive verbally) skeptics on different forums for Rossi credibility and in the end it all comes to this:

          Is Rossi going to respect his word and show to the world a commercial cold fusion device, like he is promising for the past 20 months?
          I said YES based on Rossi’s word, skeptics say NO, he does not have a word, he is a crook; watch his next justification for not doing it.

          Rossi will prove me or skeptics wrong by end of year, no other way.

          • georgehants

            dragonX, even if Rossi is not genuine, you will be right, as one can never prejudge and must give the benefit of the doubt.
            Every skeptic who prejudges and not just stay tolerantly undecided and wait for the Evidence, is likely to be a very unpleasant person who abuses, debunks and insults for no justified reason.

            • dragonX

              georgehants, you are right. I was and still am right but up to a certain point (which is still in the future). I mean, how can a man dare to say such things like these without any consequences whatsoever for his credibility, if such promises turn south??? :

              #
              Andrea Rossi
              August 16th, 2012 at 11:48 AM

              Dear g.Luca from Italy:
              Do not worry, now it’s time to make plants, real working plants making real Megawatt-hours, no more time for useless chatters. The time of table toys which give space to any kind of chatters is over.
              Warm Regards,
              A.R.
              #
              Andrea Rossi
              August 16th, 2012 at 11:45 AM

              Dear Philip Newell:
              I understand you, and you make well when you ask, it’s up tome select confidential information.
              About safety: after thousands of hours of experience with our industrial reactors we know well the safety issues and we also have got a precise idea of the theory behind.
              Warm Regards,
              A.R.

            • georgehants

              dragonX, yes but as you say if he is not genuine, that is in the future, we cannot prejudge that and we cannot be wrong to give him his chance.
              Much better to give everybody their chance than to mistakenly and foolishly condemn somebody mistakenly as has happened so many times in the past and now.
              P&F is a reasonably good example.
              Many people just fail to learn from past mistakes.

            • dragonX

              He has his chance by end of the year.

            • morse

              Rossi is the one who can deliver. I still give him credit but time is ticking and as I said before, we are in the final episodes of the season’s finale. If by the end of the year nothing credible comes out of this then the snakes and the puppeteers have all the right to discredit him. But there is still a light on the horizon that his e-cat can start a new revolution that helps us get rid of the toxic gasses in our cities.

            • Josh

              georgehants, I like you and I’m confident I agree with you on many things, but I do disagree with your idea of giving the benefit of the doubt to the person making huge claims.

              While it is quite true that the truth doesn’t change as the result of a claim or the prejuegement of skeptics, if all ideas – no matter how crazy or unsupported were given equal consideration, how would science and mankind benefit?

              No, if you make huge claims and wish to be taken seriously, you have the benefit of the ability to prove your claims and remove all doubt. It is really the responsibility of the claimant.

              If I locked you in a room and told you that your meal would soon appear out of thin air, would you give me the benefit of the doubt – or would you start looking for alternative ways to exit the room?

              Since there is no agree upon “time limit” by which huge claims must be proven, it is an individual decision when one decides to say the claimant is likely wrong. In my opinion, the only “bad” skeptics are those who heard Rossi’s claims and immediately said “impossible.” Anyone who said, “interesting, show me” is a fair minded person. As the months – soon years – have passed, if that person has decided that Rossi’s time to prove his claim has passed, that is intelligent discernment at work.

              Sure, Rossi could still prove that skeptic wrong, but every day that passes makes that less likely. If we all pretend like Rossi has solved the world’s energy problems and we quit focusing on other solutions, it will be much worse when he never delivers.

              I for one am not giving him the benefit of the doubt. I will continue to plan my ilfe as if he has solved nothing. I will welcome him proving me wrong at any point.

            • Jim Lahey

              “I for one am not giving him the benefit of the doubt. I will continue to plan my ilfe as if he has solved nothing. I will welcome him proving me wrong at any point. ”

              @Josh

              There is nothing wrong with giving him the chance to prove himself. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt for a while longer. I can imagine how very difficult this might be for someone to accomplish. Who is changing anything in their life due to this? What can they do? Buy an eCat? I don’t see that happening.

              While I’m not living my life like this has changed it (Yet!)I do however like to dream about the possibilities. Who doesn’t like dreams? ;)

              Gotta let the liquor do the thinkin’ bud.

    • Barry

      There’s always the Papp engine. Micheal McKubre seems to think there is something to it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dS1MsymF8hc#!

  • Luca Salvarani

    It would be great if the report release would happen on 11 September (instead of 8 to 10), expecially in the US! It would be very very symbolic!!! The best way to remember and raise again!!!

    • captain

      I would not be so sure: on the 11, such a news could be overlapped, thus risking a temporary oblivion.

      Remember what prez Obama said in Jan on the State of the Union, about next clean energy sources schedule: solar power, wind power, shale rocks gas, new oil drilling in some places, … and NOTHING on the newest, the cleanest, the cheapest, the safest source of energy, the LENR.
      However he mentioned that US Navy will be involved in that task, so IMHO

      – the seamen will mount air propellers on land towers, he he he…
      – the sailors will places PV panels in US deserts he he he…
      – the scuba divers (IMO ;-) ) will dig shale rocks on rocky mountains to get gas he he he…
      bah, let me smile!

      and all this to supply new energy to approx. 250,000 homes on public land

      After that, do U still think that 11 sept. could be the right date?

      • Luca Salvarani

        Good point… anyway I couldn’t be more far from Obama and his ideas… The fact that he doesn’t even mention LENR it’s another argument pro-LENR in my view.

  • Ged

    The language is interesting. The 8th date corresponds to a “we will” and the 10th date corresponds with a “they will”. Seems like two different publication events close together, one by Rossi and one by the independent third party. That’s what I’m hoping to see.

    • dragonX

      What if nothing real conclusive will happen Ged? What then?
      You know it is in Rossi’s power to show conclusive proof to all the skeptics, if he wants.
      What if you see that he decides AGAIN to make some moves that CANNOT be considered as conclusive? What then?

      • Ged

        Then he would have shot himself in the foot and will lose all his supporters. Can’t duck out of this one.

    • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

      Ged: agreed, I understood that on 8th he will present it in Zurich to licensees (likely orally) and on 10th the journals will publish the text which is authored by the professors and DF.

      • admin

        I think his speech is on the evening of the 9th, Pekka.

  • Mark

    IMHO, if the new test were a blast, we would
    have already had some statements from UNIBO,
    Swedes, or Rossi himself.
    Instead of new tests, wouldn’t it be more
    convincing to invite reporters and scientists
    to visit a site with 1 MW E-CAT, that has been running
    there since December 2011…half-a-year of
    self-sustained mode must be very impressive.
    Warm Regards…MZ

    • Omega Z

      Mark

      Rossi did this several times in 2011. The Skeptics don’t except it as conclusive regardless of what witnesses say.

      An Independent test done by Unibo with nothing outside technical details from Rossi on how to set it up would be considered an Independent 3rd party.

      This provides replication proof & independent data separate from Rossi.

      I’m sure some will find fault no matter how it’s tested. Some would complain if Rossi was there only as an Observer.

  • Francesco CH

    According to Stremmenos,

    Defkalion = total scam

    Professor Christos Stremmenos (who is also the ex Ambassador of Greece in Italy) attacks them harshly, see his post on 22passi.

    • Francesco CH

      STREMMENOS’ STATEMENT

      IN ITALIAN:

      Caro Daniele
      Ho avuto in mano il pdf “TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS & PERFORMANCE OF THE DEFKALION’S HYPERION PRE-INDUSTRIAL PRODUCT ”

      firmato da:

      1) John Hadjichristos, 2) Menelaos Koulouris, 3) Aris Chatzichristos, e non posso esimermi di commentare (… a mala voglia …!) questo documento.

      Il primo commento emotivamente spontaneo è quello biblico – TESTO IN GRECO – “c’è un santo ogni cento chiese”…

      Questi personaggi sfortunatamente ho avuto l’occasione, per ottusità e frivolezza dei massimi vertici della politica greca, di conoscere un anno e mezzo fa.

      Ho Insegnato loro e ho reso partecipi dei miei lavori sulla fusione fredda (… ignari al tempo della esistenza di questa tematica…!) e ho collaborato in seguito insieme con A. Rossi per lo sviluppo (mancato) del E-cat in Grecia.

      Questi personaggi fanno parte della “compagnia (teatrale?) Defkalion Green Technologies Global CTO, Greece-Canada-Swiss” che notoriamente ha ingannato sistematicamente (alla levantina…) per 8 mesi A. Rossi.

      Nello specifico: John Hadjichristos laureato in matematica, imprenditore atipico insieme con A. Xanthoulis nel campo edilizio, Menelaos Koulouris che si occupava non direi con grande successo della vendita dei panini, pizze bevande ecc nel centro di Atene (credo laureato in fisica?) e lo studente Aris Chatzichristos (figlio del omonimo John) che mi chiedo con quale diritto firma a nome della National Technical University of Athens (NTUA), Greece?…

      Non entro in merito del contenuto scientifico di questo rapporto dilettantesco, privo di ogni deontologia GALILELIANA che nella mia antica lingua in modo proverbiale sarebbe descritto come – TESTO IN GRECO – “sassi e tegole disordinatamente buttate”…

      Invece maliziosamente mi domando, dove Xanthoulis e i “defkalioni” trovano i soldi?… nel momento in cui non erano riusciti… anche simbolicamente ad onorare gli obblighi finanziari stipulati con ROSSI…?

      A che pro questa megalomane MESSA IN SCENA MEDIATICA che continua per dei mesi SENZA NIENTE DI TANGIBILE a inquinare la rete..?

      Sono domande che a mio parere deve porsi ognuno che crede veramente alla speranza della nuova era energetica. a cospetto di chi per interessi economici o interessi “culturali” di pseudoprestigio, tenta di screditare con delle fandonie (pagate?) lo stato avanzatissimo tangibile della tecnologia E-cat.

      Christos Stremmenos

      (Prof. dell’UniBO in pensione, già Ambasciatore della Grecia in Italia)

      GOOGLE TRANSLATION:

      Dear Daniel
      I got hold of the pdf “TECHNICAL & PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE Defkalion HYPERION’S PRE-INDUSTRIAL PRODUCT”

      signed by:

      1) John Hadjichristos, 2) Menelaos Koulouris, 3) Aris Chatzichristos, and I am obliged to comment on (… a … reluctantly!) This document.

      The first comment is the biblical emotionally spontaneous – GREEK TEXT – “there’s a saint for every hundred churches” …

      These people unfortunately I had the opportunity to stupidity and frivolity of the highest ranks of Greek politics, to know a year and a half ago.

      Taught them and I’ve made my share of work on cold fusion (at the time … unaware of the existence of this theme …!) And later I worked together with A. Rossi development (failure) of the E-cat in Greece.

      These characters are part of the “company (theater?) Defkalion Green Global Technologies CTO, Greece-Canada-Swiss” known to have systematically deceived (the Levantine …) for 8 months A. Rossi.

      Specifically: John Hadjichristos degree in mathematics, along with businessman atypical A. Xanthoulis in the construction field, Menelaos Koulouris would not say that dealt with the great success of the sale of sandwiches, pizzas, drinks etc in the center of Athens (I graduated in physics?) And the student Aris Chatzichristos (son of John of the same name) that I wonder how Law signed on behalf of the National Technical University of Athens (NTUA), Greece? …

      Not later than on the scientific content of this report unprofessional, lacking any GALILEIAN ethics that in my old language to be described as legendary – GREEK TEXT – “disorderly throw stones and tiles” …

      Instead I asked mischievously, and where Xanthoulis “defkalioni” find the money? … when they could not even symbolically … to honor its financial obligations entered into with RED …?

      What good this megalomaniac STAGED MEDIA that continues for months WITHOUT NOTHING TANGIBLE to pollute the network ..?

      These are questions which in my opinion should ask anyone who really believes in the hope of the new energy era. at the sight of those economic interests or the interests of “culture” of pseudoprestigio, with attempts to discredit the baloney (paid?) the state of technology and advanced visible-cat.

      Christos Stremmenos

      (Prof. UniBo retired, former Ambassador of Greece in Italy)

    • Pachu

      “Defkalion = total scam” makes Rossi likely a scam too (except for Rossi’s fans like u and Hank Mills).

      Stremmenos isnt helping, its not behaving like an Ambassador, is being harsh and making obvius a personal problem with DGT people.

  • daniel maris

    I wouldn’t expect too much from Rossi at this stage. I agree with those who think it won’t be a magazine of great repute. More interesting will be whether the third parties are identified and confirm the data. If not, it’s all pretty meaningless.

    But I am sure it will be interesting whatever happens!

  • Bruno

    The September paper will be meaningless unless it references independent 3rd party validators (either individuals or companies) that can be interviewed. If there is any secrecy or if the “independent” validators have any relationship with Rossi (or have a vested commercial interest in ecat), the report will be nothing more than a Rossi advertisement. Also, the supposed University of Bologna test needs to be an OFFICIAL test run under the auspices of the University. If it’s just a University professor running a personal test, or one of Rossi’s people running an unofficial test at the University, it will be suspect. These are red flags that we should keep an eye open for. Another red flag would be a postponement of either. I hope that it all turns out to be true, but I’ve become a skeptic. “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me!”

    • captain

      Anyhow, with thi$, U can $atisfy your curio$ity by buying one of Rossi’$ 1MW plant.
      So, after the 1st customer (a military entity, suppose US Navy), the 2nd privatr customer (NE of US) and the 3rd one (suppose an EU northern country), U shall be the number 4.
      Then U’ll have free license to ‘discredit’ Mr. Rossi’s E-Cat LENR.
      And u’ll need no 3rd party validations.
      Satisfied?

      • DaveS

        Where did you hear about Rossi selling the second and third 1MW plant?

        • captain

          My news from Rossi sources are official messages/posts released by Rossi himself in his websites, wherefrom such original answers are made public.
          If U have the patience to search for them, U’ll surely find them.

          How Rossi is self-financing his job? Mainly thru the sale of his thermal plants: 12 or 13 to the first customer, then one to the second and one again to the third customer.
          And this AFAIK and everyone a else can ascertain on the web:

      • Bruno

        No, Captain, I’m not satisfied. Contrary to what you wrote, we DON’T have confirmation that there ever were customers. Just Rossi’s word that 1 MW ecats were sold to secret customers who conveniently wish to remain anonymous. I already have the freedom to voice my opinion, I don’t need to buy an ecat for that. I don’t have $1.5M to buy an ecat so I can discredit him. Do you have $1.5 M so that you can buy one to prove him right?

  • Pachu

    Any news on yesterdays presentations of ICCF-17 ?

  • Layman

    What happened to Mats Lewan from NyTeknik? He was really on his toes earlier, participating in the october test last year. NyTeknik has not written anything abot LENR since february. He was criticized in a radio show from the swedish radio this spring and then he went quiet. Silenced? Now it would have been perfect magazine for the big news to come.

    • h_corey

      Lewan has been active on his twitter account.

      • Andre Blum

        Also he has been appointed chief editor of a new magazine around Kurzweil’s singularity ideas — i.e. exponential growth of technology. I guess he has a very busy job in that.

        Normally, I would not consider the market for such a niche magazine very large. You could argue that he expects a dramatic uptake of interest in the time to come maybe because commercial LENR really would fit the singularity theory well. Lewan twittered about reading Kurzweil’s book in the time that he was still very much reporting about Rossi.

        • Jim Lahey

          I didn’t know that Andre thanks for posting. LENR would be a huge catalyst to accelerate us towards the singularity.

          Now if it would only take care of my Ricky and Julian problems. Send those sh*t sticks back to con college!

        • cyle

          Very good info, would love to see Ray talk about this publicly..

    • h_corey

      Nyteknik, was the first magazine I thought of after reading Rossi’s post.

    • Karl

      Mats Lewan has been promoted to a chief editor of a new type of paper called “Next”. This paper is under the same ownership as NyTeknik.

      I foresee that Mats will then have better possibility to broaden the reviews and also go into more details in regard to new scientific and technological discoverers in this paper.

      An announcement in this new paper should be excellent and could be authorised also thanks to recent proofs of concept recently in Korea.

      To my mind Mats Lewan and Ny Teknik are worth all credit for the courage to follow the story of CF/LENR Rossi et al as probable the only mainstream media paper in the world.

    • Chris

      NyTeknik is not what they call a peer reviewed science journal.

      I would hope it to be at least Nuovo Cimento, which published papers by Piantelli, Focardi et al. all along:

      1: S. Focardi, R. Habel and F. Piantelli, Nuovo Cimento, 107 A, 163 (1994).
      2: S. Focardi, V. Gabbani, V. Montalbano, F. Piantelli and S. Veronesi, Nuovo Cimento A 111, 1233, (1998).
      3: A. Battaglia, L. Daddi, S. Focardi, V. Gabbani, V. Montalbano, F. Piantelli, P.G. Sona and S. Veronesi, Nuovo Cimento A 112, 921 (1999).

      A few other journals would be even better from the reputation point of view but unfortunately not quite as likely.

    • Omega Z

      Mats Lewan from NyTeknik & Peter Svensson the AP Science writer have both been victims of an Organized attack by the Kritz & friends in an effort to stop or minimize any mention of Rossi. An orchestrated e-mail campaign primarily to their bosses.

      LENR is okay if Rossi isn’t mentioned.

      A recent post I read to the AP/Peter Svensson asked why there was little mention of CF/LENR when Martin Fleischmann passed & he responded he had to be careful as his Editor would allow very little get by him.

      There Was some info about this campaign on Kritz blog. I don’t know if it’s still available/accessible or not.

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  • Pete

    Yeah right…

    The scientific magazine(s):
    Journal of Nuclear Physics?

    The reports:
    Like the one from last October, signed by the secret colonel and professor Domenico Fioravanti (a.k.a. Cures), Rossi’s buddy since his Petroldragon days?

    Oh, and the promised independent test from UNIBO. Where have I heard about them before….

    All I can say is “Keep an open mind – but not so open that your brain falls out”

    • Karl

      These kind of advise in the form of narrow minded insults does not work any more.

      • GreenWin

        It does for dugtrol – the skeps are ever more desperate as the harsh truth of MAJOR transition takes hold. They are aware we have already won.

    • timycelyn

      Got lost by any chance? I think you meant to post on ECN – that’s more the place for people of your kidney….

    • AB

      Please continue posting over at http://ecatnews.com where you will find likeminded individuals.

      • Max S

        So the audience here is supposed to stay in closed circles of true e-cat believers, unwilling to have open-minded discussions ? Is that what you guys are telling ? You guys prefer if skeptics are censored, right ?
        Are you interested in scientific progress or is this a cult ? Sometimes controversial discussions are a part of truth finding.

        • timycelyn

          Just don’t like sneering very much. ;-)

        • AB

          So the audience here is supposed to stay in closed circles of true e-cat believers, unwilling to have open-minded discussions ?

          Exactly. We wish no disturbances while we wait for the coming of the e-cat as foretold by the great prophet Rossi. None shall question the revelations of the prophet. Nickel and hydrogen will lead us to salvation.

          Now excuse me while I sacrifice a goat in the name of LENR.

          • timycelyn

            Yawn…..

          • GreenWin

            What a guy!

        • daniel maris

          Not me.

        • clovis

          Come on Max.
          can’t we have an open minded conversation, with out ridicule, and personal attacks, we here at e-catworld,
          don’t like that kind of communication,we like and need constructive criticism . you can be civil and polite, and still agree to disagree,without all the drama. —smile

    • Tommy

      Haha, good comment and I fully agree.
      I also bet this report will be unconfirmable again. It will not show names of the independant testers that science-magazines could interview, nor it will name the companies that could confirm the test with a public statement. Alternatively, the people/companies named might be directly related to Rossi and are not really independant.
      Or maybe the tests will be again very doubtful as the last ones were.

      So we again will not see any activity of other scientists taking Rossi seriously nor we will see the famous science-magazines report about Rossis invention. Everything will stay in the state of “interesting rumors” as it is since the last years.

      But I will be more than happy to be convinced of the opposite!

      • timycelyn

        You agree with falsehoods, as explained by Hammerskoj in the adjacent mail? Best go to E Cat News, they’re big on that sort of stuff over there…

        • Max S

          How do you know that Rossi´s statement is true ?
          For skeptics there are doubts that any of his statements would qualify as evidence. It does not count.

          • timycelyn

            …and when that disbelief is taken to pathological levels beyond reasonable consideration, it is best for bystanders and innocent parties if it is done with others of that rather odd mindset. At ECN in fact…

      • GreenWin

        Hmmm, the word “clownery” arises.

    • hammerskoj

      Your statement “[Domenico Fioravanti] … Rossi’s buddy since his Petroldragon days” is false.

      Rossi says:

      … “when he [Fioravanti] was a Student of the Politecnico di Torino …. he was making a research for Prof. Cesare Boffa regarding the new technologies of Electrostatic Precipitators. It was the year 1976 and … I was 26 years old … After 35 years (!!!) I received an email from him in the blog of the Journal” …

      Petroldragon is in between. No Cures with Petroldragon.

      • Joseph Fine

        One interesting anagram of “Domenico Fioravanti” would be:

        “A Confirmation Video”.

        That would be appreciated.

        • hammerskoj

          Fine!
          [for the video I think you should wait September]

    • captain

      U too are a wannabe pioneer to ride latest HT E-cat: Mr. Rossi, here’s the next tester of HT black ‘saddle’ Treat’m as he deserves ;-)

      Why am I saying so?
      Because when your bottom heats up, your mind and eyes open wide with no need of words!

    • Andrew Macleod

      I agree with your statements, but not the tone of your post. Emotion and conjecture isn’t needed. We have solid dates for wich to look forward to, he has stated that the tests will be signed by 6 professors. Only 3 is needed for a peer review. What more do you want? The first report I believe will be confirmation on a working device with details on performance. The second I think is going to be a working theory by the university. Now that he has confirmed actual dates be better follow through.

  • georgehants

    opednews.com
    Cold Fusion Obituary
    The shaming and injustice that Fleischmann suffered seems a personal tragedy, but suppression of this technology is a far larger crime against humanity. Mankind has pillaged the earth and polluted the skies for 20 years, while leaving the promise of cold fusion largely unexplored.
    http://www.opednews.com/articles/Cold-Fusion-Obituary-by-Josh-Mitteldorf-120815-707.html

    • GreenWin

      Saw this George. It is a very good look at the result of corruption permeating academia, industry and government. But, Martin will not be forgotten. His place in history of human evolution is secure and brightening.

  • captain

    This is an important, tough declaration of prof. Christos Stremmenos to Andrea Rossi, that discredit la credibilità di DGT Defkalion Green Technologies. A Greek scientist is talking against the Greek Defkalion.

    http://www.rossilivecat.com/
    • Christos Stremmenos
    August 15th, 2012 at 7:47 PM

    Carissimo Andrea
    Ho avuto in mano il pdf “ TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS &PERFORMANCE OF THE DEFKALION’SHYPERION PRE-INDUSTRIAL PRODUCT ” firmato da:
    John Hadjichristos1, Menelaos Koulouris2, Aris Chatzichristos3, e non posso esimermi di commentare (… a mala voglia …!) questo documento.
    Il primo commento emotivamente spontaneo è quello biblico “τα άγια τοις κυσί” ……
    Questi personaggi sfortunatamente ho avuto l’occasione, per ottusità e frivolezza dei massimi vertici della politica greca, di conoscere un anno e mezzo fa.
    Ho insegnato loro e gli ho resi partecipi dei miei lavori sulla fusione fredda (… ignari al tempo della esistenza di questa tematica …!) e ho collaborato in seguito insieme con A.Rossi per lo sviluppo (mancato) del E-cat in Grecia.
    Questi personaggi fanno parte della “compagnia (teatrale?) Defkalion Green Technologies Global CTO, Greece-Canada-Swiss” che notoriamente ha ingannato sistematicamente (alla levantina …) per 8 mesi A. Rossi.
    Nello specifico: John Hadjichristos laureato in matematica, imprenditore atipico insieme con A. Xanthoulis nel campo edilizio, Menelaos Koulouris che si occupava non direi con grande successo della vendita dei panini, pizze bevande ecc nel centro di Atene (credo laureato in fisica ?) e lo studente Aris Chatzichristos (figlio del omonimo John) che mi chiedo con quale diritto firma a nome della National Technical University of Athens (NTUA), Greece ?………….
    Non entro in merito del contenuto scientifico di questo rapporto dilettantesco, privo di ogni deontologia GALILELIANA che nella mia antica lingua in modo proverbiale sarebbe descritto come “λίθοι και κέραμοι ατάκτως ειρημένοι” cioè “sassi e tegole disordinatamente buttate” ………….
    Invece maliziosamente mi domando , dove Xanthoulis e i “defkalioni” trovano i soldi ?….nel momento in cui non erano riusciti … anche simbolicamente ad onorare gli obblighi finanziari stipulati con ROSSI …..?
    A che pro questa megalomane messa in scena mediatica che continua per dei mesi senza niente di tangibile a inquinare la rete..?
    Sono domande che a mio parere deve porsi ognuno che crede veramente alla speranza della nuova era energetica ……. a cospetto di chi per interessi economici o interessi “culturali” di pseudo prestigio, tenta di screditare con delle fandonie (pagate?) lo stato avanzatissimo tangibile della tecnologia E-cat.
    Christos Stremmenos
    (Prof.dell’UniBO in pensione, già Ambasciatore della Grecia in Italia)

    • Peter_Roe

      I put the above through Google Translate. It didn’t survive too well but the general drift is clear – Stremmenos is not a DGT fan. It should probably be borne in mind however that he is on the Rossi team.:

      “Dear Andrea

      I got hold of the pdf “TECHNICAL PERFORMANCE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PRE-INDUSTRIAL PRODUCT DEFKALION ‘HYPERION’ ” signed by:
      John Hadjichristos1, Menelaos Koulouris2, Aris Chatzichristos3, and I am obliged (reluctantly!) to comment on this document.

      The first comment is the biblical emotionally spontaneous “Holy per kysi” (?)……

      These people unfortunately I had the opportunity to stupidity and frivolity of the highest ranks of Greek politics, to know a year and a half ago.

      I’ve taught them and made partakers of my work on cold fusion (at the time … unaware of the existence of this theme …!) And I worked together with A. Rossi on the later development (a failure) of the E-cat in Greece.

      These characters are part of the “Company” (theater?) “Defkalion Green Global Technologies CTO, Greece-Canada-Swiss” known to have systematically deceived A. Rossi (the Levantine …) for 8 months.

      Specifically: John Hadjichristos degree in mathematics, as well as the atypical businessman A. Xanthoulis in the construction field, Menelaos Koulouris would not say that dealt with the great success of the sale of sandwiches, pizzas, drinks etc in the center of Athens (I graduated in physics?) and the student Aris Chatzichristos (son of John of the same name) that I wonder how Law signed on behalf of the National Technical University of Athens (NTUA), Greece? ………….

      Not later than on the scientific content of this unprofessional report , lacking any ethical GALILELIANA that in my old language to be described as the proverbial “wildly thrown stones and tiles” …..

      Instead I asked mischievously, and where Xanthoulis “defkalioni” find the money? …. When they could not even symbolically … to honor its financial obligations entered into with RED …..?

      What good this megalomaniacal staging media that continues for months with nothing tangible to pollute the internet ..?

      These are questions which in my opinion should ask anyone who really believes in the hope of the new energy era ……. at the sight of those economic interests or the interests of “culture” of pseudo prestige, with attempts to discredit the baloney (paid?) the state of technology and advanced visible-cat.

      Christos Stremmenos
      (Prof.dell ‘UniBO retired, former Ambassador of Greece in Italy)”

      • http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/08/rossi-says-publication-release-day-is-september-10th-or-8th/ captain

        Thanks Peter,
        just this … is more understandable

        …and the student Aris Chatzichristos (son of the homonym John) that I wonder in what capacity he signes on behalf of the National Technical University of Athens (NTUA), Greece? …

        • Luca Salvarani

          The translation is not necessary! He simply says that he doesn’t consider Dekkalion seriously, he totally distrustes them!

          • Pachu

            He is mad at DGT, he only talks to injury DGT image.

          • GreenWin

            Hence my comments about legal liability. And if DGT completes its move to Canada, they will come under the authority of the new Anti-Counterfitting Trade Act of last year. Both the US and Canada are signatory.

    • hammerskoj

      Greek quote in Stremmenos

      Matthew 7:6
      “Do not give dogs what is sacred”

    • AB

      He is saying that Defkalion is bluffing and generally dishonest.

  • alexvs

    For the sake of gratittude, if Mr. Rossi ever publishes something worth of being published it should be done in this site. Mr. Acland deserves it.

  • Omega Z

    Frank

    Rossi can’t let you publish until after the Zurich presentation which is on the 8th & 9th. Hence, you get it the 10th.

    • georgehants

      Andrea Rossi
      August 15th, 2012 at 9:00 PM
      Dear H. Hansson:
      On the 10th of September the report will be published, after the presentation of the same at the 1st Convention of the World Licensees of Leonardo Corporation that will be made in Zurich.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

  • Omega Z

    @ e-catworld July 6, 2012

    What is Happening at the University of Bologna?

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/07/what-is-happening-at-the-university-of-bologna/

    Come Mid October. Now We Know.

    National Instruments made an Equipment donation to Unibo.

    My understanding is if you sponsor a project at a University, A percentage is taken by the University to use as they please. Whether that be money or material/equipment.

    So a donation of Equipment sponsoring LENR research would allow part of that to be used as they please. This prevents the appearance of tax payers facilities being used for your own private lab. Your paying for the service.

    It also allow the disclaimer that THEY aren’t researching LENR. Deni-ability. No unwanted attention unless someone lets it slip out.

  • Martin

    Do bookmakers offer bets on this? My guess is that there will be either no report at all, or a disappointing one.

    • http://www.choicedowsing.com kwhilborn

      Despite critics. Rossi has always done what he said he would do. He planned and held many public demonstrations for an entire year. He had skeptics view his work and say it was real.

      Andrea Rossi it is more important to see what he doesn’t say. The first year he never mentioned the products stability because it could overheat and die out. Now he says it is stable.

      Andrea Rossi has never lied about names, dates, demonstrations, etc. Skeptics must assume he is lying about the technology, but if he says he will present a paper he will.

      • Ivan_cev

        even if it is a tissue paper

        • dragonX

          If it is only a tissue paper, better to wipe his eyes with it, because he will loose all supporters, including Hank Mills :-)

          • Bigwilly

            Not Hank Mills.

            I doubt he could be lost. He seems to be his number one fan.

            BW

            • GreenWin

              He’ll probably lose dug. :(

  • Omega Z

    It appears that Rossi is ready to start making some serious disclosures at the Zurich presentation on September 8 & 9.

    Six Professors from 2 Universities. Signed Documents. Hopefully with names visible.

    Followed by a Unibo report around mid October.
    ? Hopefully the non-military customer will come forward immediately after.

    If all Rossi’s claims are verified, It would be hard for MSM not to report this.

    Maybe, Rossi didn’t goto the other conventions because he didn’t want to ran on their show. Allowing them to have the spotlight.

    Uppsala University, Sweden….. University of Bologna, Italy…..

  • GreenWin

    Frank, than you for doing a yeoman’s job updating this explosive story that IS changing human evolution! Imagine if other, real journalists were allowed to run with this story. It is, for any student or professional journalist, the greatest story since the discovery of fire.

    We can expect to see an extraordinary quantum leap in the human grasp of technology. It will not happen overnight, but it will happen, and far more rapidly than the old school wishes. Imagine too, if a million evolved species of life were watching all that is happening on Earth. What a remarkable event this is. How captivating to see a primitive culture rise up and declare independence from ignorance and totalitarian control.

    Epic. Magnificent. Thank you to all the courageous men and women who are coming forward and telling their truth. As for the opponents:

    “A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.” Max Planck

    • georgehants

      Many people do not realise that the Truth already exists, probably by design we simply have to find it.
      It is mind-numbing seeing people caught in the trap of not believing that everything is here for our benefit.
      Crazy watching science tying it’s self in knots, trying to shoehorn everything into a reductionist closed-minded philosophy, when the Evidence is everywhere that our existence is no lucky coincidence.
      Why do so many people fear progress and the unknown instead of celebrating every tiny advance.
      Dogma ridden science is helping to take away from everybody the joy, mystery and wonder of moving forward generation by generation to a Wonderful World if that is what we want.
      ——
      Life is indeed difficult, partly because of the real difficulties we must overcome in order to survive, and partly because of our own innate desire to always do better, to overcome new challenges, to self-actualize. Happiness is experienced largely in striving towards a goal, not in having attained things, because our nature is always to want to go on to the next endeavor.
      Albert Ellis, Michael Abrams, Lidia Dengelegi,

    • jacob

      Thanks GreenWin, for understanding the current situation in the
      world and our own evolution as we rise in awareness and make contact with
      the greater conscience present in this universe,all is one ,all created things are connected by mind and love,now our understanding is evolving,as we realize ,we are not alone.

  • alexvs

    I have reckoned more than 2 hours the necessary time to read and respond the huge amount of e-mails sent to Mr. Rossi. Please, be civil and patient. The time substracted from Mr. Rossi’s 24/7 work is essential for the marketing of so many beneficial products as E-Cat boiler, E-Cat at 600ºC, E-Cat at 1200ºC, E-Cat autoheated, E-Cat direct electricity converter and other E-Cat modalities which are being thought for relieving mankind’s suffering.

    • Miles

      You forgot the E-Cat Car “ecatcar.org/home.php”. I guess logistics & transport will be cheaper, as a result so will the cost of goods & services.

      Hold on for the ride folks, this is going to be Amazing!!!

      • http://www.choicedowsing.com kwhilborn

        i predict blimps will make a comeback. Sailboats will become almost non existent and cheaper. Boats/ships will quadruple their speeds. Cars/motorhomes will all be huge and lit up like a vegas christmas tree inside and out.

        • Peter_Roe

          Airships, not blimps. An airship has a rigid frame and external covering, with internal gas bags fixed to the frame for lift, rather than a single gas bag made rigid by internal pressure (blimp). Waste heat from LENR generators for propulsion could heat the gas bags by means of heat exchangers, in order to generate and control lift.

          Regarding motorhomes – I hope not! I live in a tourist area and many of our main roads are already clogged by crawling over-sized under-powered motorhomes for half the year.

          • jacob

            Peter , gravity has been overcome with existing technology,the public is as unaware of it, like LENR.
            no gas gags needed, all that is needed is a anti gravity propulsion unit to cancel out gravity and produce a propulsive force.
            It’s been done a long time ago.

            But why should this technology be released,for good reason ,it should stay covered up until all of humanity will live in peace and give up its warlike tendencies ,
            or it will be abused.

            • http://deadstickarizona-zedshort.blogspot.com/ Zedshort

              You betcha.

            • Robert Mockan

              Unless going into space a Papp engine powered helicopter motorhome does not need roads either.

              Wars will stop when the people who want them are forced to fight them. Governments will find all kinds of reasons not to have wars if politicians are in the front lines.

            • Peter_Roe

              Robert, my wife has ‘remodeled’ her cars on a wide variety of bollards, walls, and other cars more times than I can remember. The current one looks like a survivor of a demolition derby. The thought of drivers like her piloting helicopters makes me shudder!

            • Robert Mockan

              Peter,

              a copter crackup would be more spectacular than that of an airship, but the way down would be the same. (Maybe parachutes should be required safety equipment for both vehicles).

            • Miles

              This is the first of heard of this, would love to find out more!! Do you have a URL to where I can read more on this?

            • Robert Mockan

              Miles,

              Jacob may have one of the other URLs, because there are three anti-gravity effects that have been widely published, that might be used for propulsion. (But none of them have been verified officially).
              Here is one I have been watching, since it does have some math equations I can do to get a better understanding of it. Is it real? Who knows. But here it is if you are interested.
              http://emdrive.com/

        • Omega Z

          kwhilborn

          Actually Sailboats won’t change much other then an auxiliary E-cat for electricity & motoring when chosen or absolutely necessary.

          I believe their more of a lifestyle choice.

          • Peter_Roe

            Indeed. I will not be in any hurry to update the large and ancient diesel engine that powers my narrowboat* for instance – it’s steady thump is all part of the experience.

            *For non-brits – a type of powered barge used on inland waterways.

            • jacob

              Peter,that steady thump could be replaced by loud speakers with out the fumes and pollution,and volume could be adjusted by a knob on the dash board ,to relive the sentimental memories of bygone years.

            • timycelyn

              Peter!! [Warning -Seriously off topic!]Have we something esle in common? I jointly own a 1937 timber 70 foot midlands oil tanker, powered by a single cylinder hot bulb Bolinder.

              [Back on topic, sort of]

              Am already fretting over what to feed it with as diesel starts to disappear, and red diesel vanishes in the wake of these developments (we think well ahead). Closest I’ve got is biodiesel will probably go out of fashion, so I should be able to easily get chip oil to make my own, when the time comes…

              @Jacob. I wince in pain. Philistine… ;-)

            • Peter_Roe

              Hi Tim. Briefly off-topic also:

              Looks like we do share the hobby of keeping expensive holes in the water, except that yours is the ‘real thing’! A Bolinder – wow. If it was in front of me I would need to bow in obeisance! Mines just a 42′ fake Rugby ‘tug’ with a 1955 Lister FR2. Re. fuel, the FR2 happily burns any vegetable oil, with a dash of white spirit to aid ignition. The exhaust actually smells like a chippy! Isn’t the Bolinder designed to burn fuel oil? – I would have thought it would take anything vaguely flammable!

              Hastily getting back on topic – even if LENR vehicle power proves feasible, it will probably be expensive initially. I can’t see diesel oil fading away for at least a couple of decades, and it will never be worth converting many boats, heavy machines such as diggers, dumpers and cranes, and anything else diesel powered that is used intensively but for relatively short periods. However if the Papp engine turns out to real, I think we’ll both be looking for drums of cooking oil before too long.

              I agree totally with ‘Philistine’. Some people just don’t understand…

              Peter

            • timycelyn

              @Peter, (off topic, must stop doing this). Sounds very nice, and a lot more practical than our white elephant – but we love her dearly. Not sure if u come up to the midlands, but if u do keep and eye out for Thomas Clayton ‘Spey’ No 88.

              You’ll hear her about a mile away on a still night.

              If we meet up on the cut sometime we must have a beer or two…

            • Peter_Roe

              Indeed! Found a video of Spey doing some icebreaking. I’ll keep an eye open for her (I’m refitting at the mo and won’t be cruising again ’till next year soonest).

              No more off topic – honest.

          • GreenWin

            There are now marine electric drives that regen (via prop) electricity to a battery bank while sailing. Problem is the drag on prop slows surface speed by 4-5kts. With a 35kW LENR genset and twin 15kW electric motors – cruising at 20kts silently. No exhaust, diesel fumes, chug chug chug that Peter enjoys;)

            Just quiet, peaceful, vibrationless (except on the nano-scale) slipping through the water to far away iles.

            • GreenWin

              Er, that should be isles. And knot the grocery store variety.

            • Peter_Roe

              Exhaust fumes, oily smells and a sound more like ‘guboink – guboink – guboink’ twice per second, all with a beer on the hatch – nirvana! Regardless of cleanliness and economy of new alternatives such as CF, I suspect that many forms of diesel power will survive just as steam does, in the hands of hobbyists. Of course, if steam propulsion using a big reciprocating engine turns out to be feasible with an LENR boiler, I may have to reconsider my choice of boat power…

            • timycelyn

              @Peter,
              ‘Of course, if steam propulsion using a big reciprocating engine turns out to be feasible with an LENR boiler, I may have to reconsider my choice of boat power….’

              Oh wow, I’ve gone weak at the knees. I wonder if I should try and get hold of ‘Monarch’ before others put the same 2+2 together… :-)

              But no, love the old girl. Pop, pop,……pop….pop,pop,pop…

            • georgehants

              If you guys replace the genuine article with new Fandangled technology you will be made to walk the plank by the pure of heart.

      • http://www.choicedowsing.com kwhilborn

        This deserves a Presidential announcement. Where is Obama on this?

        • NJT

          Same place as the MSM…

        • GreenWin

          Obama is very well informed and preparing to play. Confirmation of a new, green, abundant energy source (NASA’s descrip) would be a stunning announcement in the White House Rose Garden. October surprise??

          Want butter with that popcorn?

      • alexvs

        Do you know if E-Cat bikes are being considered too?

        • Marcus

          And what about e-cat electrical teeth-brusher?

        • Peter_Roe

          E-cat hot water bottle? Downside: The cat would be welded to your bed.

        • GreenWin

          Mike McKubre says there’s no reason not to see everything from nano-scale to mega-scale energy generators. Eventually with direct conversion to electric without a thermal component.

          Near term, Li-ion batts are the ticket.

  • Niemand

    I know reason:

    Mr. Rossi know, that publishing such breaking news on weekend day(s) as Sept 8. have a much unintended consequences.

    For this purpose it’s far more suitable to publish at Monday Sept. 10th

  • http://www.zazzle.com/energyrevolution Tony McDougall

    If the publisher of the magazine was mentioned on my Andrea Rossi t-shirt, I would be happy to remove your name before 10th September.

  • dragonX

    If by middle of September or end of Ooctober (latest) LENR will get the much needed boost of Third Party tests and approval, then we can all rest assured LENR will captivate the hearts of many (businessman). Then it will be really the time for popcorn and to enjoy the media and business show.

  • Luca Salvarani

    Very Very Very Good!!!

  • Adam Lepczak

    The plot thickens…

    http://youtu.be/a2fucOfjy-4

    I am hoping for exciting times ahead!

    • Peter_Roe

      Some music from 1972. Am I missing something?

      • Peter_Roe

        Ah, right. A reference to popcorn in DragonX’s comment. Very good.

  • Miles

    How does one calculate the below information to determine it’s 10kW? Whats the formulae?

    “Correcting the thermal heat transfer calculation to account for the 850C outside temperature, and assuming 1250C core temperature, 3cm hole, 9cm outer diameter and a length of 33cm in an ambient background of 20C yields a total heat transfer of 10.8365kW. Thanks for the update of the outer temperature. This is close to your nominal 10kW output rating.”

    Can’t wait for the 10th of Sept (earliest date)-

    “On the 10th of September the report will be published, after the presentation of the same at the 1st Convention of the World Licensees of Leonardo Corporation that will be made in Zurich.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Miles

      “On the 8th of September we will publish on scientific magazines the complete report.”

      Which Scientific Magazine? JONP Magazine??

      • Peter_Roe

        Sadly its not going to be any peer-reviewed rag such as the Journal of Applied Physics or Physical Review. That really only leaves JONP or just possibly some (online?) pop-sci publication. I don’t think the world is going to hear about this quite yet, no matter how good the report is – but at least we will.

        • georgehants

          I think Rossi is correct not to give main-line journals the respect of publishing in their peer reviewed comics.
          They have proved on many occasions their incompetence in reporting real science.
          Time to make them irrelevant and move on to True open science, unhindered by censorship and Dogma as has happened with Cold Fusion and many other science subjects.

    • David

      “ambient background of 20°C”?
      Too much cold, probably it’s 25°C

      • Ged

        That’s 68 F, which is a normal temperature for people to set their ambiance to. (I grew up in a house always set to 68 F/20 C)