Celani Reports from ICCF-17

A brief report from Francesco Celani at the ICCF-17 conference was posted on 22passi.blogspot.com today. He seems understandably to be in good spirits and there are signs that the LENR cell which he is demonstrating at the conference might be getting some welcome attention. That the Korean TV is getting interested should be encouraging to those who are puzzled why there is so little media attention to this story.

Dear Daniele,

Everything has worked out well and better than expected. The article (5 pages) at NIWeek is the same as that of ICCF-17: you can publish it.

Other news of interest:
1) I’m sending you my presentation (about 1.5 M): you can publish it on the net.
2) Yesterday we reassembled the reactor…
3) After a brief local recalibration (about 2 hours) on the reference input power (48W), with hydrogen, the reactor SLOWLY but surely started to produce excess heat. Currently, after about 20 hours of operation, we have reached about 14W!
One of National Instrument’s engineers from the US came for the software part; he was helped by two other NI engineers from Seoul.
4) MIRACLE: even the arch-skeptics from NRL (US) have complimented me. Thus, green light.
5) In the evening, Korean TV will come and make a detailed report on it

NB: it’s complicated to make contact. EVERYBODY is looking for me. The phone lines are often filled out.

See you soon,
Francesco CELANI

Thanks, AB!

  • Ivan_cev

    This field of research is called cold fusion, because once a researcher produces something that should be reproduced the others turn COLD!!!!

    Mr Celani, how are you planing to share the tech around the preparation of the wire???

    Is the info given enough for replication?

    • Ivan Mohorovicic

      Celani stated in his presentation that a paper dedicated on that is in preparation, so I guess we will eventually see one at some point.

    • Ged

      It is more than enough for replication. There’s even scanning electron micrographs of each stage.

      • Ivan_cev

        Where? are this pictures?

  • ROBERTM

    Can any of these device sustain themselves for more than a few hours?

    A heated wire inside a tube does not impress me.

    • Ged

      His has lasted over 55 hours continuously, giving off a total energy orders of magnitude beyond the theoretical chemical limit of hydrogen, but within the theoretical limit for fusion. S did those calculations and I found the scale some time ago.

      • lcd

        what is the cop

  • s

    Although I have always believed LENR worked in general, I still require proof of individual claims. I won’t believe Celani’s results until a reputable, independent third party runs Celanis setup, or a setup of their own design, and verifies these results are real and repeatable.

    • jacob

      just buy a 1 megawatt unit, already for sale

      Nobody seems to go out of their way to impress all
      the unbelievers.

      so sad for you s

  • Jon

    https://www.scienceexchange.com/reproducibility

    +

    http://www.kickstarter.com/

    =

    no more skepticism.

    Someone should send these links to Celani and let the community fund the reproducibility efforts.

    • Jim Johnson

      Nice formula!

      • Jim Johnson

        However, the replicability site has a fairly narrow focus on pre-clinical biologicals. However (recursive), Kickstarter + bid process + administrator + Celani might work. Perhaps time for a brainstorming group on LENR Connect…

        • admin

          Good idea, Jim.

          • lcd

            we tried something like this once but kickstarter rejects it

          • lcd

            ttere are other crowdsourcing options. problem is after you get the gumption to do it and spend all that time hen get rejecte you just hae no ore time o nergy

  • captain
    • Barry

      HEH HEH HEH! This is genius! HEH HEH!

      • Barry

        If you need a good laugh, watch this video by Hank Mills.

    • Barry

      Thanks captain

  • Roger Bird

    Oh, come on! Be honest. You really think that those Italians are cute and adorable. And their accents are particularly cute and adorable. It’s not politically incorrect. You can still respect them. There is no reason why cute and adorable can’t also be brilliant and powerful. In fact, I always say never underestimate the power of sweetness. That is not too far from never underestimate the power of cute and adorable people.

    • http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/08/celani-reports-from-iccf-17/ captain

      Well said. Mutual respect, first of all!

    • MPB

      What kind of comment is that? Do you think “maybe I should keep this to myself”. It’s called a filter, use it.

  • BodhiD.

    Dr. Rossi wrote: “on the 8th of September we will publish on scientific magazines the complete report”

    Thanks God, this very important non-delaying act maybe will thwart another illegal war. After publication of this important complete report and maybe some visible real operation of real E-Cats in real industrial duty – there will absolute obvious that ALL classic nuclear powerplant are technologically obsolete.
    Iranian Ayatollahs are educated men and with this important informations these will capable soon analyse, that their nuclear powerplants and thousands centrifuges are obsolete, unnecessary and oldfashioned iron. There is high probability they may order shutting off of this hardware in such new situation.

    With Iranian nuclear powerplants and centrifuges out of duty, Sionist leaders will lose their excuse for another aggression, another illegal war.
    Northern hemisphere will saved from thousands tonnes of radioactive dust from debris of eventually bombarded installations.
    Dr. Rossi – not only as inventor, as peacekeeper too

    • Kim

      Very good Comment BodhiD.

      I am always amazed that People like who have the
      knowledge think we have all the time in the world

      For God’s sake we live day by day now wondering if
      they will pull the nuclear trigger.

      We are on the edge and people worry bout making money…

      There will not be an economy left to spend that money
      if people don’t start to wake up and see where we
      are at in time.

      I have hopes for what miram Keshe has to say
      in September also. Perhaps he can convice the
      world. to give it up.

      Respect
      Kim

      • jfab

        LOL! Kim and BodhiD, what a double act!

        • dragonX

          :-)

    • Ivan_cev

      Celani has shown 14 glorious watts, this is hundreds of times more prove and transparency than ever rossi has shown.
      God bleess you Francesco Celani!!!!.. Thanks.. for making the dream a reality.
      soon this 14 watts tech will be developed to terawatts of energy!!!!!

      • Kim

        Yes, I agree.

        Respect
        Kim

    • jacob

      Good point

  • GreenWin

    To Barry and Patty Simon: Thank you for this absolutely lovely tribute to Martin Fleischmann in words and music. You guys bring right brain sensitivity to this revolution and should be ordained LENR Artists in Residence.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Et39OA2DYXE

    • edog

      Nice!
      Thanks guys

      • Kim

        Very good Comment BodhiD.

        I am always amazed that People like who have the
        knowledge think we have all the time in the world

        For God’s sake we live day by day now wondering if
        they will pull the nuclear trigger.

        We are on the edge and people worry bout making money…

        There will not be an economy left to spend that money
        if people don’t start to wake up and see where we
        are at in time.

        Respect
        Kim

    • Kim

      God gives us people like Martin Fleischmann

      and we throw them away for the love of money.

      Thanks for the Tribute.

      Thats it.

      Respect
      Kim

    • Hampus
    • freethinker

      Very nice work Barry and Patty.
      For me you capture the sense of loss for us all and the great injustice served Martin Fleichmann himself by people serving more their own greed and egos than science and truth.

      • Barry

        That last sentence sums it up. Thanks all.

  • Stringbustr

    I just hope the powers that be will let this continue.
    maybe the Genie is far enough out that it can’t be stopped.

    • edog

      I think it might be too far advanced for anyone to put the brakes on now!
      Lets hope so and spread the good news.

      I might even give a bit of LENR a go myself… doesnt look that hard!

      :)

      • edog

        Thank you Celani for not keeping secrets!!

        Im going to have a LENR BBQ,
        Hot tub.
        Swimming pool…
        and house boat (see you on the water Kim!)
        summer house out in the desert somewhere (an LENR oasis)
        and the winter ski lodge!

        just think of all the places that are uninhabbited that I will be able to go and mess up!!!!

        change brings changes guys!!

        I really do love the houseboat idea!!! with a silent engine! wow!!

      • MIles

        Yes. The e-Cat is out of the bag. The OIL Companies ought to be worried.

  • http://greenfuelbooster.com stmess

    Exciting days to come …

    • dragonX

      Very!
      I like that 20MW Siemens turbine SST-150 (needs only 505C steam) that can use Hot Cat ((600C steam output). I hope that is what Rossi meant when he said they are working with Siemens for a new solutions (electrical solution).

  • georgehants

    Can I ask the questions —
    With Celani’s work on Cold Fusion does it contain conformation of —-
    1, Transmutation
    2. A confirmed effect unknown to science. Something clearly beyond all current accepted knowledge.

    • edog

      hey george,
      just reading his report now.

      Im thinking that hydrogen embrittlement in metals…
      could be an un-noticed LENR that no one has realised..???
      :)

  • georgehants

    The time is fast approaching I think when main-line establishment science must face it’s Nemesis.

    • Kim

      You would think.

      It don’t work with money. That is why.

      Respect
      Kim

      • Kim

        Energy is Money

        If you flood the world with Energy
        you have flooded the world with Money

        The Science is Proven. the bankers are
        standing at the gates.

        Flood the world with free energy and
        the bankers go away. (the problem bankers)

        As long as their is money in this world
        and the need to protect the pile, then
        gangster type mentality will prevail.

        If their is plenty of energy. then people
        have unlimited options and freedom’s

        Respect
        Kim

        • GreenWin

          Kim,

          E=M+vpC2 where vp is the unknown quantum virtual particle?? Anyway, money will play a role. But a LOT more people will have energy than have ever had it before. Money will decrease in importance as we’ll no longer need piles of it to pay for gasoline, electric bill, heating, water, etc.

          • Kim

            Yes money will slowly diminish
            in importance.

            Do you think that highly advanced
            race of people from half way across
            the galaxy are coming here to ask
            if we have change for a twenty?

            Respect
            Kim

          • georgehants

            Everything should be based purely on productivity, no profit, no finance, no economics just the least number of workers needed to do the job.
            Everybody could retire at 50.
            No rich and powerful, just everyone achieves for society and not themselves, no unemployed, just all working less.
            Technology should free us not lead to higher retirement ages and women with children having to work, crazy.
            The less people working at real jobs the better, not the more working and wasting their lives.

            • Kim

              Life is energy.

              Life is not Money.

              georgehants your commnets tell
              me you are awake.

              Tell others.

              The science is proven.

              Respect
              Kim

            • Andrew Macleod

              We are almost there already! Money isn’t the problem, it’s just a common bartering tool. The real problem resides in intrest rates. This is where the rich get richer and the poor get poor. Intrest is a fairly new concept in fact it used to be outlawed by the church. Borrowing money is a form of self slavery and lets people live beyond their means(at a price).

            • Iggy Dalrymple

              georgehants – no profit, no finance, no economics just the least number of workers needed to do the job.
              Everybody could retire at 50.
              No rich and powerful, just everyone achieves for society and not themselves, no unemployed, just all working less.

              Retire early because no salary, no stuff, no food, no innovation, no job, no internet, no ammo to fight off takers. Just piddling around naked in the garden hoping the veggies will grow without fertilizer.

            • GreenWin

              Ig, there is a self sustenance plateau in growing season when the veg supplies nutrition and the excreta supplies the fertilizer. Alas, as winter sets in, the fruit diminishes.

              Hence the need to develop LENR desktop alchemy, where, shhhhh, we can turn lead, into gold!

        • Chris

          Serious?

          You seem to have no idea of what “money” is and you neglect some egregious things.

        • Paul Stout

          Try paying your doctor bill with energy and see how far you get. The relative value of many things will not change with cheap energy.

          • Andrew Macleod

            Not at first… The first adopters of cold fusion as an energy source will see higher profits as their bottom line is reduced. As the tech is more widely used business will use the lower bottom line as an edge to gain competitiveness by lowering prices to increase sales. If widely used the world could see inflation stall or even reverse it slightly.

          • GreenWin

            To empower the earth’s population we need some 60Twatts. Today we consume about ten. Someone is going to make a lot of money raising the standard of living for 4.5 billion people.

            Takers? Or should we fuss around with windmills for a century??

            • georgehants

              Iggy, you disappoint me with your assumptions and no questions.
              That’s how Cold Fusion was delayed for 23 years.

          • Mannstein

            At a minimum my house heating bill should change. With the money saved maybe I can afford Paul, the flim Flam Man, Ryan’s health insurance plan.

    • Andrew Macleod

      I hope they hang their heads in shame….. If they still have them.

  • mikes44

    Rossi is claiming that he is working directly with Siemens’ R&D centre on another major innovation…any thoughts? That’s quite a claim is it not?
    Andrea Rossi
    August 15th, 2012 at 7:49 AM
    Dear Joe:
    The next big step is in preparation between us and the Swedish Siemens R&D center.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Kim

      Its pretty obvious that Siemens has gone
      through the numbers and realize that they
      have a generator that will work!

      Heck I can do some quick calculations and
      figure that out. Its a Win Win situation

      Trust me they are falling all over themselves
      trying to get things lined up.

      Respect
      Kim

    • daniel maris

      Hey – that was my intro! (over on Independent ECat News) LOL…

    • DaveS

      Not sure if this has already been posted, but relates to the above comment on Siemens in Sweden:

      Andrea Rossi
      August 8th, 2012 at 10:04 AM
      Dear Jake Di Vita:
      There is a limit due to the fact that nickel melts at 1455 Celsius degrees, but we will have to heat water, so the actual limit will be 600 Celsius when we will go to make steam. At 600 Celsius the efficiency will be around 50%. Wre are working on this, now, with our Friends of Swedish Siemens Friends. When we told them we reached 1 200 Celsius they became lyric.
      Warm Regards,
      Andrea

      • Kim

        Yes I remember that Post by Rossi

        Thats what I mean; when I say that
        he has siemens attention.

        50% is huge and very do able.

        Respect
        KIm

    • GreenWin

      Probably matching up the 15MW e-cat with the SST-150:

      The SST-150 is a single-casing steam turbine, proving geared drive to a 1,000 or 1,800 rpm generator respectively geared or drive for industrial applications. The turbine is packaged in a skid-mounted design. For power generation, it provides high efficiency together with a compact arrangement.

      • Kim

        Sounds Good to me.

        Lets
        Get Er Done!

        Respect
        Kim

    • Omega Z

      This has been out for a little while.

      Encouraging that there has been NO Denial on the part of Siemens.

      • GreenWin

        Let’s get pragmatic. OBVIOUSLY LENR commercial viability is proven. Why bother with “They deny this, or we don’t have proof of that.” Commerce has no respect for the “scientific method.” Too bad for the eggheads. Had Edison to wait for egghead verification of his phonograph, motion picture camera, or light bulb – we’d still be huddling around coal fires at night looking at our own shadow.

  • http://E-CATWORLD MPB

    Celani’s paper may have turned the tide.

    • Kim

      There is no doubt that it has
      turned the tide.

      He will be among the Renowned
      hero’s in the final analysis

      We need more Boldness!!!

      Respect
      Kim

  • Kim

    Andrea Rossi’s Hot Cat can produce
    13 kilowatts of thermal energy.

    Thermal convert to 2.5 kilowatts.

    Convert D.C. to AC = 2 Kilowatts.

    Reverse your Electric Meter Every Day.

    Did I miss something?

    Respect
    Kim

    • Kim

      Yes I did

      I forgot the 3 kilowatts input.

      That won’t work.

      Respect
      Kim

      • Don Witcher

        How about 13.5KWheat x .5 conversion efficiency to get 6.75KWelectric out – 2.75KW electric input(COP 6) = 4KW electric net output. Efficiency = 4KWe/13.5KWheat = 29%

        That’s a very effective power plant.

        • Kim

          Yes.

          I’m to lazy to look up the numbers.

          Your Calculations are correct.

          50% conversion (does this exist)?

          Even if 30% conversion that is
          1.3 kilowatts that can be used
          to reversed your home meter

          All of this from a devise
          that is 3.5″ dia.x 13″ length

          Respect
          Kim

          • Don Witcher

            The theoretical efficiency for a perfect Carnot cycle would be 64% for 600C heat source dumping into a 40C heat sink. Achieved efficiencies can be quite good at larger power plant sizes. Small home units will probably be closer to your 30%.

          • Omega Z

            Kim

            Don’s numbers look good, but It will take many individual cores to accomplish this. Scale.

          • Mannstein

            Siemens makes a combined cycle (Gas and Steam) turbine that has just over 60% efficiency. It was put on line in Germany last summer.

        • Don Witcher

          Correction to my above post 13.5KWheat x .5 conversion efficiency to get 6.75KWelectric out – 2.25KW electric input(COP 6) = 4.5KW electric net output. Efficiency = 4.5KWe/13.5KWheat = 33.3% efficiency.

          • Kim

            This is why siemens is involved

            Respect
            Kim

            • Don Witcher

              The market is HUGE. http://phys.org/wire-news/106413196/17th-international-conference-on-cold-fusion-held-in-kaist-south.html

              “The potential impact of cold fusion is huge. Energy was approximately 10% of the total world gross domestic product of $60 trillion in 2006 (US Energy Information Administration 2009). The current world power use is 16 Terra Watts, and it would have to grow to 60 Terra Watts for everyone to enjoy western European standards of living. Experimental evidence suggests that this nuclear energy source has the potential to provide abundant, low cost energy without the production of greenhouse gasses or long-term hazardous waste. The minimal radiation detected from experiments can be easily shielded.”

            • GreenWin

              Big numbers Don. Hard to believe there are not a lot of big plays happening backstage.

  • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

    Skeptics vs believers according to Celani. Actually Celani’s demos have created a third option which seems more plausible. LENR may be a real phenomenon but an information juggernaut prevents certain individuals and small companies from releasing proof because they are embarrassed to acknowledge that there are still instability and reliability issues with their product. By doing so they are buying time so that their team can debug the problems. The greater good for humanity would be to let the genie out of the bottle and allow 10,000 companies and inventors around the world try to solve the instability and reliability issues.

    • Ged

      That seems to me to be exactly how its been going, exactly the strategy. This was a great post, Charles.

    • mcloki

      Or be greed and try to solve the problem yourself and set up your family forever. I’m sure that most are trying to be the next Edison rather than the next Tesla

      • dragonX

        Tesla died very poor. That speak volumes on how people are treating their saviors. Tesla was a hero… Who wants to be a hero these days???

      • Kim

        I agree Charles.

        Give the power to the people

        They will solve the stability issues
        no problem

        All people with benefit in the final
        analysis.

        I just want to heat my swimming pool
        and retire onto a house boat.

        Respect
        Kim

  • Sanjeev

    What is NRL doing there ? They should be playing with Rossi’s 1MW Ecat, which they bought.

    If they are the arch-skeptics then clearly they do not have that Ecat or the one they had did not work.

    • Kim

      Naval Research Laboratory.

      These people business is to keep secrets.

      Secrets protect the Gold.

      Pretty Simple.

      Respect
      Kim

    • Ged

      Who said they got an Ecat?

      I think the term “arch-skeptics” is being misunderstood. It doesn’t mean someone who is contrarian and saying “no way, we don’t believe this because we say so”. It means actual scientists who are evaluating the data critically. Scientist = skeptic, in the true sense of the word. Since NRL has shown and helped to verify LENR as real, the term is being applied to mean they are very rigorous scientifically. Which they are, and which they should be.

      • Kim

        I was not sure if the Naval Research Lab
        was an owner either.

        Respect
        Kim

      • Sanjeev

        US navy was rumored to be the first customer. NRL must be involved, if that is true.

        Just a guess.

    • Omega Z

      Sanjeev

      They’ve been watching all entities involved with LENR.

      Don’t put all your eggs in 1 basket & Don’t be surprised.

  • s

    I hope people realize the continuous COP of this device, ignoring the 20 hr startup, might be ~62/48= ~1.3 from the information given. This might be a long way from market ready.

    • GreenWin

      An engineering issue. And if I gotta wait a day for my 1/2 of ONE CENT/kWh genset to start and run for the next 6 months… oh, well.

      • Kim

        I don’t mind waiting a day for start up
        if the energy is continuous 24 hours there
        after for 6 months.

        Respect
        Kim

        • Miles

          +1

    • Omega Z

      S

      Celani is providing proof of concept.
      It works. It’s repeatable, Get on board.

      He’s the messenger building additional support.

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  • Kim

    Scientists have blocked all exits.

    Maintain Status Quo at all cost!

    Did not Galileo have this same problem?

    They want Status, No Delta, full of fear
    of there Job and Education.

    Thanks Celani

    Respect
    Kim

    • Kim

      We need more public demo’s

      We need more Boldness.

      We need more Public Awareness.

      Now is not a time to be shy or repressed

      Respect
      Kim

      • dragonX

        What we need is kilowatt demonstration with third party approval.

        • Kim

          I believe that is Rossi’s next move

          First week in September, I think
          he will provide third party..

          Respect
          Kim

          • Omega Z

            Some Papers to be presented in September. Signed. But will they be made public. Waiting to see.

            Unibo is supposed to go public in mid October.

    • Claes

      The institution of science forces everybody (I’m a scientist myself) to be very afraid of associating oneself with things that are not perceived as serious. Most of those things really AREN’T worthy of taking seriously, but the baby is almost sure to be thrown out with the bathwater. Science is excelent at developing theories incrementally but really bad at coming up with radical novelty. When a revolution has happened, everybody elevates the originators at heroes. But it’s clear that 95% of those that worship Darwin, Einstein and their likes today would have taken every chance to ridicule and scuttle them if they would have been contemporaries. Everybody must play along in this game to some extent. Some, however, REALIZES that it’s a game and look for openings not to play it, most however do not.

      • georgehants

        Claes, as it becomes public knowledge of the absolute incompetence and Dogma worship in science, that if P&F are vindicated, may have led to the suffering of millions over the last 23 years, then every scientist will feel the backlash.
        Science has faults and it is up to every scientist to lead the way in getting those faults rectified.

        • Jim Johnson

          I agree, there’s going to be some hard explaining to do. Poor show for “Science”.

          • GreenWin

            And this is why there is so much vehement resistance. But we need to houseclean the old fiefdoms and pharisees, and encourage scientists to think out of box, out of norm, knowing that if (and when) they fail – they will not be excoriated and kicked to the curb. The forced collapse of the “Journal” peer-review system is the first step.

            Genesis is wrong. The Tree of Knowledge is available to every sentient being.

  • vbasic

    Francesco Celani. if you google his name in news search, (not web search which would of course show many pages) there are almost 500 listings. Most for his recent demo at ICCF and NiWeek. What’s really surprising is some of these are outside the normal ‘cold fusion’ ‘pesn’ style websites. Including one from phys.org.
    http://phys.org/wire-news/106413196/17th-international-conference-on-cold-fusion-held-in-kaist-south.html

    Maybe one day the American Physical Society will give a positive report. Of course, if that happened many American physicists would have heart attacks, so I won’t hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

  • Robert Mockan

    Celani could blow all the critics and skeptics away for good by taking a 1 kilo spool of that wire (1000 grams), small enough to hold in the palm of your hand, have it processed so the surface is active, coil it and string it around the inside of an insulated chamber filled with hydrogen, and instead of getting 14 watts or whatever from a third of a gram, get 42 watts/gram x 1000 gram = 42,000 thermal watts. More than enough to self heat the chamber to keep it active with no external power required, and if he builds it so it can withstand the temperature, probably run it a few hundred degree C.

    But maybe not. After all a lot of people still question Rossi E-Cat.

    • http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/12/cold-fusion-a-resurrection-and-an-inconvenient-truth-a-view-from-europe/?replytocom=10913#respond praos

      Why not a tone? You obviously have no much experience with laboratory work. In modern lab one gram is immense quantity, and one watt immense power.

      • Robert Mockan

        In my lab work I do definitive tests with micro-gram quantities.
        If you study the response by critics and skeptics to the progress being made in LENR you might notice they think more quantity equates to proof.

        • GreenWin

          Lack of scale imagination?

          • dragonX

            Lack of commercial energy applications for watt grade devices. Better kilowatts if you want to get some attention from mainstream media. If you can do it, WHY NOT???

    • Sanjeev

      Of course that is the next step, and an engineer would handle that job better. It will need some massive engineering, plus safety and control systems. Add a few millions of expenditure and a year or two for it. Not a lab or demo project in any way.

      Making a system more complicated or scaled up would not shut down the critics, imho. The chances of something hidden in a big box are more. The demo system needs to be a bare bone as simple and small as possible, perhaps see through. That is what Celani has done. (And Rossi failed to do)

      Anyhow silencing the skeptics should be the last task in the list, that will happen automatically. Mostly skeptics are not worthy of the importance people give them, most of them are highly biased and ignorant fools, having read a few books.

      Some believers also fall in this category. The bias is like a virus, it stops critical thinking. A good example is the guy here named Hank Mills. His negativity towards other lenr devices comes from a religious bias towards Rossi. Now he can’t accept the reality. A fine example of how believers cause more harm than skeptics to a field of research.

      • Andrew Macleod

        IMHO there are 2 types of sceptics… The pathosceptic is someone who refuses to believe the data. Silencing this type is easy. The 2nd type is the sceptophile these people refuse to even look at the data and these people wont believe until it hits them in the head.

      • Omega Z

        This is just proof of concept. Celani’s next effort is to use crystal which can work at higher temps. All this is for being able to view what’s happening & demo for public purposes. Eventually, he’ll have to use stainless steel as Rossi has.

        His present setup has melting problems when approaching 200`C.

  • Kim

    Thinking about the picture of the Hot E-cat.

    Would I be wrong to think that their is a kind of
    Ceramic:
    made of:
    Nickel,catalyst,a hydrogen source material.

    Placed to the center tube and brought
    to reaction Temperature??

    The center reactor passes the heat to the
    outer tube at 850 C.

    No pressure vessels seem to be present as
    with the make shift support putty on the
    ends with the electric wire.

    Has he found that a Ceramic Mix ignited
    at freguency and temp can produce the
    desired stable reaction?

    Effectively a nuclear log fire.

    Respect
    Kim

    • dragonX

      That will be amazing. Cheap nuclear log for nuclear fire for all to use.

  • Jim Johnson

    Wright Brothers: 1903
    Boeing 707: 1958

    Coin sized transitor: 1949
    100,000 transistors on a chip: 1975

    First nuclear reactor: 1942
    First nuclear submarine: 1954

    Internet IP traffic .02 pb/m(petabytes/month): 1994
    Internet IP traffic 28 pb/m (petabytes/month): 1999

    It’s not about being patient, it’s about getting ready to watch something that will move more quickly than we can comprehend.

    • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

      And,
      First satellite: 1957
      First man on the moon: 1969

      Wiio’s law about futurology: Usually near future is overestimated, distant future underestimated.

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        The last man on the moon was Eugene Andrew Cernan, born March 14, 1934, touched down on Dec 15, 1972, then the babyboomers took over changed NASA’s mission to GW fiction writing.

      • Miles

        From a Scrubbing Board: 1797
        To a Washing Machine: 1851

        No one know what impact this will have on our lives. It’s actually mind-boggling.

  • Niemand

    Rossi recently at 187th changed his story. He stated that COMPLETE REPORT will published in Scientific Magazines (yes, magazineS) at Sept 8

    • Ged

      It would indeed take magazines (plural) to hold that report! Can easily split up different sections into different papers.

      Looks like Celani lit a fire under Rossi!

      • Job001

        More likely US patent law change. March 16, 2013 first guy published has much higher legal patent standing. Expect transparent; Less hidden and more published.

        • GreenWin

          Exactly Job001. The patent naysayers will founder on this. Nice to see the entire composition playing so well! Music to the ear!

  • http://www.american-reporter.com Joe Shea

    One exciting thing about Celani’s work is that the loading of hydrogen is immensely higher, having gone from 1% to 30%. That’s perhaps the major advance here.

    • Job001

      It appears the 30% report number is active metal, not hydrogen loading which is in near equilibrium with the 7 bar 75% H2 25% AR gas mixture used. Thus, the hydrogen loading would be presumed very high, 90+%.

  • Venno

    Looks like the Mayans were thinking of LENR when they thought the world as we know it would end?

    • tom h

      maybe … but they could of quite as easily been talking about the coming economic collapse and the absolute carnage and chaos that will accompany it.

      of course i hope for what you said but ….

      • GreenWin

        tom, collapse and carnage are your choice. If you prefer to see steady transition, lifestyle improvement, and abundance – you will.

    • Francesco CH

      It is a usual joke for me:

      “…and the Maya knew it…”

  • K

    After quick reading the Celani paper, it seems that it is the MOTION of the protons trough the (nano-structured) lattice that causes LENR to happen, and not the COMPRESSION of the protons, as stated before.

    So the mistake was made in 1989 on the presentation, when the statement was made that the huge compression caused the nuclei to fuse. Now Celani proves that it is not the compression, but the motion.

    One “arrow” pointed wrong, made the whole scientific community search in the darkness where there was nothing to find.

    The Italians found it.

    • daniel maris

      Wow – if you’re right that is remarkable.

    • Ged

      It could be a “compacting” effect. Since the lattice has holes and vacancies that can trap atoms, and then they can pile up. ELTB theory would have that attempt at motion, and the vibrational resonance with the lattice, lead to a bose-einstine condensate; two particles existing as one virtually on the quantum level, and then fusing literally into one, as they are pushed together.

      It all comes together very nicely; theory and experimental evidence.

  • zero

    An interesting project that started up just recently.
    http://blog.scienceexchange.com/2012/08/the-reproducibility-initiative/

    It’s called the “Reproducibility Initiative”. Basically you submit your research, and it’s given out to a bunch of selected scientists across the country who blind test it, and you’re responsible for the tab. This seems exactly like what LENR needs right now to crank awareness. The Athanor and the Hydrotron seem like the perfect candidates.

    If only I had money.

    • Jon

      Well, that is what kickstarter is for. There are enough people who see the promise of this technology that we may be able to cover the costs. What could it cost for say 3 reproductions? I would put it at around 30,000 each for materials and labor ( after all these scientists gotta eat! )

      If Celani starts a kickstarter, gets it verified with the reproducibility initiative, then I see no reason why the 90 grand couldnt be collected over a couple months time… lets say 1000 people believe in this (90 bucks a pop). Perhaps someone with some weight in the LENR community could convince him to do so?

  • Ivan Mohorovicic

    Admin: the link to the presentation in your blogpost is wrong. This is the correct link, as from 22passi:

    http://www.22passi.it/downloads/Celani_ICCF17_Trasp3.pdf

    • admin

      Thanks for letting me know, Ivan!

  • martinus

    what is NRL? National Rugby League?

    • AB
    • Carlos

      Shame prevented me from making that joke, fortunately you were there to tell it in my place.

    • Brad

      perhaps he’s talking about NREL instead of NRL?

      http://www.nrel.gov/

    • Ged

      Those guys -are- pretty rough.

    • http://www.zazzle.com/energyrevolution Tony McDougall

      Following in the footsteps of the NRL (Naval Research Laboratory), the following respected four letter organizations are lining up to congratulate Francesco Celani:

      Native American Research Labs (NARL);
      G.I. Research Labs (GIRL);
      Construction Workers’ Energy Labs (CWEL);
      American Bikers’ Energy Labs (ABEL);
      Cowboy Research Association of Pennsylvania (CRAP)

      Sounds like they are all dancing to the same tune :)

      • Ged

        What? Are you making a joke, as unfortunately I didn’t get it :<.

        • http://www.21stcenturyenergyrevolution.com Tony McDougall

          Ged,

          You need to be a fan of late 1970’s disco music to appreciate this one.

          In this case my wit was too clever by half :(

          • Ged

            Ah dang. Sadly I do not know much 1970’s disco, but I am sure it was hilarious if I had!

  • Hank Mills

    I do not understand the odd excitement about 14 watts of excess power. What we need are solutions to the energy crisis. Weak prototypes capable of only single digit watts of output (with a COP barely over 1) are not going to allow our civilization to survive. The only cold fusion technology I am aware of that is actually capable of producing kilowatts of output, a high COP, and ultra high temperatures is the E-Cat. I am not aware of *any* other technology that even comes close to being practical.

    Even Defkalion, that had bragged for over a year of being capable of producing kilowatts of output at 650C, has admitted they do not even have a stable prototype!

    • Ivan Mohorovicic

      The excitement is that it’s a transparent, scientific experiment showing a clear anomalous effect, and not shielded behind confidentiality/industrial secret issues. If there’s a LENR device that could be actually capable to make the scientific community change idea about this field, it’s Celani’s.

      Also, there’s plenty of room to scale up the effect. There are just over 0.3 grams of active material in Celani’s demo cell, and the cell itself is currently purposely kept as simple as possible to improve the quality of scientific observation / measurements, not COP.

      • Ivan Mohorovicic

        Just adding one additional active (treated ISOTAN44) wire indirectly heated by the inert one (since excess heat has been shown to have a positive feedback with temperature alone) would increase excess power by other additional 14 watts or so, making COP immediately improve to 1.6 assuming again 48 watts of input power. however that is a dumb way to scale up the effect and that isn’t really the current focus of Celani’s research team.

        • hammerskoj

          Wires have admittedly a very complex nanostructure and undergo ‘charging’, it seems, for weeks. I am happy with Celani’s reactor but, PRUDENCE!: no doubt that 12 watts are an excellent outcome, but the corresponding heat flows are tiny [see the air-conditioning distracting effects and harshness in plotted data] and, as such, they could hide a plentiful of problems. And, In the case, it would be a calamity. I like Celani naivety but I think he is a bit prone to temerety, too.

          • hammerskoj
            • Ivan Mohorovicic

              As shown in this presentation made by him, Celani knows how to build a high precision calorimeter / insulated testing setup:

              http://www.iscmns.org/work10/Celani.pdf

              (slides 29-39)

              I would be *very* surprised if for his latest findings he (and his team of 13 people + other people) never used something like this to double check the results.

            • hammerskoj

              I agree, but I would like to remember this paper of Olga Dmitriyeva:

              Control of excess heat production in Pd-impregnated alumina powder

              and this, too [ICCF-17]:

              Using bakeout to eliminate heat from H/D ect.

              Calorimetric problems are VERY subtle, from a physical-chemical viewpoint

            • Ivan Mohorovicic

              Well, I can agree with that and I think too Celani should be urged after ICCF17 to perform the same tests with the same wires with a properly insulated cell and more accurate calorimetry and show the results as soon as possible.

            • AB

              I don’t understand how Celani could be fooling himself when he has an inert control wire in the apparatus that’s used for calibration.

            • hammerskoj

              Anyway, IF Celani is right [it is safe to remember that he needed a lot of work from NI guys for a reasonable clean-up of calorimetry], his outcome speaks for Rossi, too: when the dummy wire is on, active wire is overunity. Exactly the same in Rossi’s reactor: you heat it and it start to generate heat: reactor ‘ON’ needs heat only. If the reactor were a black box and you are in hurry, it could seem to you it don’t obey with first principle. You must sit down and wait Ni-H run out. Incroyable!

            • Ivan Mohorovicic

              I think the NI guys wanted only NI instrumentation to be shown during NIWeek2012. Celani used instrumentation from different brands. While they were at it, NI engineers also gave a hand or two cleaning up a bit his setup, after which didn’t give significantly different results than before, anyway.

            • Ged

              Guys, just look at page 26 of Celani’s new report https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8mt4mJOTGvBeXJCNXNUdEJVME0/edit

              He calibrated it all under 100% pure Argon. That was a very powerful control run, and the data is right there for all to see. What happens is wire resistance (R/Ro) goes up due to resistive heating, as it should — and we get a baseline for how hot the reactor can get just from the 30-48 W input. This is completely opposite of what happens with hydrogen, where resistance of the wire drops (thus resistive heating GOES DOWN), and yet anomalous heating goes up and far above what can be generated by the amount of electricity going in.

              He has all those controls already answering these problems. No one is reading or paying enough attention to the reports it seems.

        • Ivan Mohorovicic

          As far as I understand critics claim that Celani’s excess heat is actually coming from the surrounding environment (reportedly because of the heat generated by the reactor being irradiated back toward it), the reactor itself (the increased excess heat over time comes from the reactor components slowly building up heat) and fluctuations in ambient temperatures / wind currents (due to opened windows ??) / whatever.

          I’m not able to tell how valid these claims are at the moment, but I feel the claimant isn’t being entirely honest since the first assessment appears to have come from incomplete information and big assumptions.

          This is a debunker’s attitude, not a skeptic’s.
          His “concerns” are in principle valid, though. I agree Celani needs either to increase the signal, improve calorimetry or show a clearer smoking gun (X/gamma emissions with deuterium). The more, the better.

          • Ged

            Such a claim violates the second law of thermaldynamics quite handedly. They are basically claiming a cooler source is heating an already hotter source!

            Insulation simply -slows- heat transferance, but it does not stop equilibrium from being reached over time. Rather, instead of heading towards equilibrium, this device is heading farther and farther away from it; which requires constant heat generation by the device above what is being put into and lost by the device.

            Anyone claiming what you are saying they claim have shown a complete failure of basic physics in an attempt to simply be discrediting. Talk about blinders.

          • hammerskoj

            Quotation on Celani at NIweek:
            “At one point Truchard said ‘what this needs is an IR sensor for the surface temperature.’ ”
            It don’t seems me that “While they were at it, NI engineers also gave a hand or two cleaning up a bit his setup…”

            Anyway, Ivan, I agree with you completely. In this precise moment [Cures powerful leacking and Celani success on international scene], the pathoskepics are going mad and try to soil ANY favourable claim. Inferences from photos etc are intrinsecally weak, but current arguments from opponents are laughable. From other side, Celani paper is a miss, 12 watts are few and Celani english could be better. I think, honestly, that we MUST wait September to settle all questions. September will sign a precise discontinuity – a ‘Mohorovicic’ ones?

            • Ged

              Any rational, scientific mind, already has all the questions settled from Celani’s device. Now it’s all about doing it ourselves and seeing if we can, and then were to go from there. If you want to know for sure, do it yourself, one could say.

        • Martin

          He’s a clever fellow is Francesco Celani, clear, simple proof that cold fusion really does work

    • cx

      Baby steps all this does is help lenr. Most people still don’t believe this is possible. Seriously civilization isn’t going to be wiped out tomorrow don’t know why you are being so dramatic, give the guy time to scale up. If rossi wanted the same excitement he should of demoed his device as well.

    • Lukedc

      Hank, mate you just don’t get it. This is the peer review process in action. Watch this space! Exciting times indeed!

      • Hank Mills

        The peer review process is what has kept cold fusion suppressed for the past twenty years.

        • http://deadstickarizona-zedshort.blogspot.com/ Zedshort

          It is the lack of peer review process that has shackled investigations into Anomalous Heat Activity (AHA).

          • GreenWin

            Lack of a cult-controlled peer review process. Like any successful clique, the cultists kept a boot on the throat of peer review, thus controlling consensus science.

    • vbasic

      @Hank You are Correct. But until Rossi publicly presents his data at one the conferences, this is about the biggest news of the year. It’s not about 14 watts. It’s about the science of LENR. It’s about showing it might be easily replicatably. So now, media and science can look without fear of being made fun of or ostracized. For me, it was in page 4 of Celani’s paper
      “We observed for the first time in our experimentation with such kind of materials some X(Rays) and/or gamma emissions, coming out from the reactor during the increasing of the temperature from about 100 C to 160 C.”

      b

      • GreenWin

        BTW, Mills has proved this many times in the soft xray continuum experiments he does with H, demonstrating his fractional H atom.

    • Warthog

      The reason it’s exciting is that the 14 watts is being generated by THREE HUNDRED MILLIGRAMS of wire. And due to the fact that it is probably only the first few microns of wire surface that is active, the real volume is undoubtedly much smaller.

      Run up the numbers via straight extrapolation….3 grams = 140 watts….30 grams = 1.4KW…..300 grams = 14KW.

      This is very much in the Defkalion/Rossi “ballpark”.

      • http://www.american-reporter.com Joe Shea

        Frank, I’ve updated, revised and corrected my novella, “POWER: A Story of Cold Fusion,” (www.american-reporter.com) with a lot of new details about how the E-Cat is deployed quietly to US institutions in manufacturing, retail, financial and electronic enterprises. I think you’ll like it. Please let me know if you read it! Thanks!

    • Barnaby Grudge

      Hey Hank you were probably championing Defkalion this time last year so get off your “benifit of hindsight” high-horse. I don’t know that to be true, but the fact is you do the same for Rossi basing it on similarly weak (non-existant) evidence.

      I would be more happy with 15W proven excess heat than 15MW of Rossi’s “take my word for it”. The trouble amoung your kind is that in your struggle to attain free-energy Nirvana you find it preferable people manufacture results rather than work slowly and provide any real burden of proof.

      Thanks.

      • Omega Z

        Barnaby

        About a Year ago, Defkalion had zip, nada, nothing. If not for Rossi, they wouldn’t even exist.

        Christos Stremmenos thru Focardi who was working with Rossi helped to create Defkalion in November 2010 for the Sole purpose to market Rossi’s E-cat technology. According to Stremmenos, Defkalion not only didn’t pay there obligation fee to Rossi in August of 2011, but had also not paid a smaller fee that was due in the first phase that ended on 02/24/2011 at which time Rossi made other arrangements.

        Stremmenos, a board member of Defkalion left the company because of this.

    • Pachu

      You have gone too much on Rossi (says) side.

      Your opinions on others LENR researchers or commercial attempts are not more taken as objectives or impartials.

      Basically you are a Rossi fan or groopie.

      Anyway if you insint on talk about others (you are free to do it of course) you need to consider that for most of us, Rossi has done/show effectively NOTHING, but we keep optimistic and waiting.

      • dragonX

        Hear! Hear! :-)
        Pachu you are right of course about Rossi not showing “the meat”. But Hank is also right in rooting for him, since Rossi almost single handedly raised the issue of Cold Fusion/LENR (Anomalous Heat Activity is such a cowardly term) in the media and he deserves credit in doing so. Also, because of the same reason, Rossi deserves more trust from us, at list until he breaks his word in delivering the conclusive proof later this year.
        Peace.

      • Omega Z

        Rossi’s tests have been every bit as good as Celani’s or better.
        The Difference is Celani provides enough info that others can replicate it. IF they so choose.

        You also need to realize that many of these people who have jumped into or back into LENR research have been encouraged by Rossi’s tests. Else they may not even be involved at this stage. For some of these people Rossi’s tests must have been pretty convincing.

        Though I strongly support Rossi, I have no problem with Celani or anyone else getting in on this. Personally, I see Celani as the messenger to recruit more researchers & open peoples eyes.

        Competition is good. It will speed the process to market. I am of the Opinion that’s what everyone wants. RIGHT??? It will also keep a lid on price when it comes to market.

        Everyone wants more research. Pay attention. At least a dozen entities are doing just that. Probably Dozens more we’re probably not even aware of.

        All these people will need or have backers. That means pressure to perform. Backers expect a return on their investments. Basic Science doesn’t. Basic research could stretch for years, even decades. Each incremental little step being scrutinized, analyzed for years before moving on to the next step.

        Tax supported Universities also file patents & sell licenses. The Universities grab the lions share of the profits from these license. These profits goto projects that add prestige to the University so they can justify higher tuition fees & provide EGO boosts to the administration. Pure science may no longer exist.

        So you know. I live in a small city with a University of about 12K students. Equal to the local population. The Administrators Bare bones base pay is 800 Grand with caveats for longevity & credentials plus additional paid titles, perks such a freely provided mansion, Vehicles, insurance & such. Yep. Somewhere around a cool Million.

        Anyway CHEERS to Celani, Rossi & all.

    • http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/08/celani-reports-from-iccf-17/ captain

      Time ago, I’ve read a Celani’s report that was saying… 1 wire ==> 14Watt, but one only wire is just for a practical demonstration, only.
      Think about more wires into the same reactor… :-)

      And Celani refers that he uses German ‘constantan’ because cheaper and supplied with its technical data: at the contrary, the US constantan is more expensive and sold ‘charged with an additional “right” and without technical data’.

      Both news sourced fm Italian, as usual.

  • mikes44

    Celani device update –
    ” Gasoline has a density of 34KJ/cm3. That thing yields 500W/cm3. That is,
    every about 1 minute of that gives the same amount of energy that burning
    the same quantity of gasoline. 1 month gives about 40 thousand times the
    energy density of the same volume of gasoline.”

    Rothwell

    • Ged

      Leaves chemical in the dust.