Brillouin Energy Paper for ICCF-17 Shows COP of 2+

A number of people had been anticipating information from Brillouin Energy from the NIWeek conference, but so far none has been forthcoming — however, a paper by Brillouin has recently been uploaded by New Energy Times that will be presented at the upcoming ICCF-17 conference in South Korea.

The paper is authored by Robert Godes, Robert George, Francis Tanzella, and Michael McKubre, and provided a detailed description of, and data from a number of experiments in which their Quantum Reactor technology sends ‘Q’ pulses through nickel hydride. Brillouin states that they always see excess heat produced when the Q pulses are tuned to the “resonance of the hydride conductors.”

Brillouin states that they have been able to reach a maximum of 110 per cent excess energy from this system, and that “Recent data shows that excess heat production was in the range of 110% for 2 hours”. They say they are now moving to improve upon these results and hope to reach a COP of 3 soon.

Brillouin’s web site states that they have recently entered into their first licensing agreement, which covers three nation, and they indicate that their first target market is the commercial boiler market.

  • Gregory Lee

    ECAT/HOTCAT has, by far, the highest energy density per weight while producing only heat energy, at core level only.

    I’d like to mention to those for you not familiar with other mature technologies such as PPAP engine and Thane Heinz’s Reverse Acceleration Generator. Both of which are ready for market .

    Initially when you look at them they seem initially bigger/heavier than Ecat/Hotcat. But in reality PPAP can be built super light due to lack of heat even using plexyglasses and Thane Heinz’s machine can be built just as much . Only appreciable weight comes from realticley large coils setups which any generator has to have anyways even for Ecat/Hotcat.

    The big advantage they have is they can produce usable mechanical or electrical energy directly or in combination of both at same time within themsleves without any additonal devices.

    Whereas Ecat/Hotcat still needs to be attached to other machineries for energy conversion. Downside is they can not create heat on their own as when direct heating only is required.

    So lets look at imbedded features and pros and cons of these 2 systems against Ecat/Hotcat.

    1) Both are larger and weight.
    2) Both can produce direct motive power.
    3) Both able to direct-generation of AC electricity on it’s own.
    4) no usable heat in either.
    5) Both slow response same as Ecat/Hotcat.
    6) Tiny fuel, few cc of noble gases as fuel for PPAP.
    7) Zero fuel for Reverse Accelaration Generator.
    8) Throatling down to stop and go.
    9) Both require initial start up electrical energy.
    10) 3 moving parts, rotor, 2 bearings for Thane Heinz’s Generator.
    11) 3 moving parts, piston, crank shaft, flywheel for PPAP.
    12) Off the shelf parts. Cheap and abundant.
    13) Simple to build and maintain.
    14) Spark plug for PPAP.
    15) Gas sealing for PPAP.
    16) Simple electronic control for PPAP.
    17) Zero control for Thane Heinz’s.
    18) 1 ATM noble gas pressure when not in plasma state for PPAP.
    19) Zero RF or other harmful radiation for either.
    20) Super green energy source both.
    21) Motor, break generator, reverse accelation generator. Thane Heinz.
    22) Motor and generator for PPAP.
    23) Large hp / KW and small size for PPAP. 100LB -> 1000hp/350kw or more.
    24) Long mean-time interval between fueling for PPAP. 10,000s hours.
    25) Self initiating motor, very simple motor control. Thane Heinz.
    26) Simple refueling for PPAP.
    27) NO need to starting torque for both .
    28) Both can produce COP of near infinite.

    I may have fogotten few . Just feel free to add them in .


    We are so blessed with these geniuses and few others like Ismael Aviso who are toiling to introduce new found nuvo science. HOpe and pray they will not fall prey to money barons of status quo.

    We can use them all in tamdem or in solo for all kinds of producticvity and that will generate gigantic leap in creating new jobs and prosperity for all.

  • Becktemba

    For your information 100C = 212F

  • Becktemba

    If you put boilers in tandem current boilers are usable at 200F. Keep in Mind Brillouin is going after the boiler market first. Its a huge market. You do not need to get to super high temps. Put 3 to 4 units in tandem and you have a boiler that can handle about 75% of that market. The Brillouin team is very astute. Once they get a base boiler model established they will be able to quickly establish a large industrial market, they will have essentially put themselves in a position to quickly go after the higher temp stuff.


  • georgehants


  • georgehants

    Andrea Rossi
    August 10th, 2012 at 12:03 PM
    Dear Steveta_uk:
    Of course you are right: temperature is one thing and power is another thing. Our Hot Cat has a power of 10 kW and reaches at the heat exchanger the temperature of 1000- 1200 Celsius degrees. The two data are indipendent: we could have as well a 1 kW power Hot Cat and still maintain the same temperature, or we could have a 10 kW E-Cat ( as we have also) which leads to the heat exchanger a temperature of 120 Celsius degrees.
    Warm Regards,

  • georgehants

    Andrea Rossi
    August 10th, 2012 at 11:54 AM
    Dear Bernie Koppenhofer:
    I agree. We are very close to a 1 MW plant with high temperature steam and electric power generation. Another important achievement , we got today: we are able, now, to make the drive with gas instead of electric power. This is extremely important, because now we are able to make thermal energy with thermal energy, and with the thermal energy produced we can make electric power. All this with 1 MW plants.
    Warm Regards,
    Andrea Rossi

    • Renzo

      excellent news!!!

  • Ivan Mohorovicic

    A photo from Cures of Rossie’s test reactor during a measurement:

    Somebody please translate properly in English what he’s written about it:

    Si tratta di due cilindri di acciaio coassiali. Lo spazio interno fra i due cilindri contiene la resistenza di riscaldo e la camera di reazione con il materiale attivo. Le basi sono sigillate con mastice da altoforno della Saratoga. Non serve la sigillatura in pressione. Il tutto verniciato di vernice nera per aumentare l’emissività e in grado di reggere 1200 °C

    Questa è una fase della misura.

    Al momento della foto, la temperatura media della superficie esterna era di 801 °C con picco locale di 873 °C. Temperatura superficie interna da 1100 °C a oltre 1200 °C. Parallelo di 2 resistenze di riscaldo (4 cavi che vedete). Valore del parallelo 6 Ohm. Tensione di alimentazione in alternata (50 Hz) di 147 Volt. Corrente assorbita 24,25 Ampere. Potenza assorbita 3,56 kW. Potenza irradiata dalle due pareti interna ed esterna considerate uguali per un totale di 13,39 kW al lordo della temperatura ambiente media di 35 °C Parete interna al calor bianco inavvicinabile sotto il metro per il soffio di aria bollente. Parete esterna misurata da termocamera con precisione 2% del valore misurato. Parete interna misurata con termometro a laser da 1,2 metri di distanza da manina traballante desiderosa di conservare la pelle attaccata.
    Valori conservativi e per difetto (molto) causa asportazione calore moto convettivo stimato in almeno 8% su parete esterna e coseno irradiazione basso per parete interna causa alto angolo di irradiazione verso termometro a laser (puntamento quasi in asse con il cilindro interno)
    Reazione stabile senza grilli per la testa. Praticamente noiosa.

    Il COP sale quando si oltrepassano 1000 °C sulla parete esterna. Il consumo è quello di una reazione di fusione cioè quasi nullo. Una stima esatta richiede di accendere il tutto e poi fare una lunghissima vacanza prima di verficare il consumo.

    • georgehants

      They consist of two coaxial cylinders of steel. The interior space between the two cylinders contains the resistance-heating and the reaction chamber with the active material. The bases are sealed with mastic by the blast of Saratoga. No need for sealing pressure. The all painted black paint to increase the emissivity and able to withstand 1200 ° C This is a phase measurement. At the time of the photo, the average temperature of the outer surface was 801 ° C with a local peak of 873 ° C. Inner surface temperature from 1100 ° C to over 1200 ° C. 2 parallel resistance heating (4 cables that you see). Value of the parallel 6 ohms. Voltage alternating current power supply (50 Hz) of 147 volts. Current consumption 24.25 amps. Power consumption 3.56 kW. Power radiated by the two inner and outer walls considered equal to a total of 13.39 kW gross average ambient temperature of 35 ° C internal wall at white heat unapproachable sub meter for the hot breath of air. Outer wall measured by camera with precision 2% of measured value. Inner wall measured with a laser thermometer from 1.2 meters away from shaky hand eager to keep the skin attached. And conservative values ​​to default (very) heat removal due to convective motion estimated in at least 8% of the outer wall and cosine irradiation down to the inner wall due to high angle of radiation to laser thermometer (pointing almost in alignment with the inner cylinder) Reaction stable with no ideas in her head. Almost boring. The COP rises beyond 1000 ° C when the outside wall. The consumption is that of a fusion reaction that is almost zero. An accurate estimate requires turning the whole thing and then take a long vacation before it to check the consumption.

      • Ivan Mohorovicic


      • Lu


        • Luca Salvarani

          His last reply to my comment, about direct heat-electricity conversion:

          Se si vuol fare un prodotto dimostrativo, la conversione in elettricità è immediatamente fattibile usando, per semplicità, un motore Stirling commerciale. Circondi la testa calda con il modulo Ecat, adeguatamente modificato, e quello parte e non si ferma più. Inoltre, prelevi dalla testa fredda il calore per il riscaldamento della tua casetta in montagna. Con un alternatore attaccato hai la corrente che vuoi. Ma questo è un modo di vedere “da privato” e non da industriale. Serve, in questo caso, creare tutto l’amabaradam necessario per la vaporizzazione ed il surriscaldamento del vapore in modo da alimentare le turbine delle centrali alla pressione e temperatura di esercizio.

          • G_Zingh

            From Google Translate:

            If one wants to make a product demonstration, the conversion into electricity is immediately feasible by using, for simplicity, a Stirling engine commercial. Surround your head warm with the form Ecat, appropriately modified, and that part and it will not stop. Also, withdraw from the cold head heat for heating your house in the mountains. With an alternator attached to the current that you want. But this is a way of seeing “by owners” and not industry. Serves, in this case, to create all the amabaradam necessary for the vaporization and superheating of steam in order to feed the turbine power plants to pressure and temperature.

      • Lu

        From Akira Shirakawa on Vortex. I think it’s his direct translation. Much easier to understand and appreciate:

        [The reactor] is composed of two coaxial steel cylinders. The internal space between the two cylinders contains an electrical heating resistance and the reaction chamber with the active material. The cylinder bases are sealed with heat resistant sealant for blast furnace use. Pressure sealing is not needed. The whole has been painted in black to increase emissivity and can withstand 1200 °C.

        The photo shows a phase of the measurements

        At the time of this photo, the average outer surface temperature was 801 °C, with local hot spots of 873 °C. The inner surface temperature ranged from 1100 °C to over 1200 °C. Two electrical heating resistances in parallel (the 4 visible cables). Value of the resistances in parallel: 6 Ohm. AC (50 Hz) input voltage of 147 Volts. Current consumption 24.25 Ampere. Power consumption 3.56 kW. Heat power irradiated by both inner and outer walls, assumed equal for a total of 13.39 kW, including the average ambient temperature of 35 °C. Inner wall of bright white color, unapproachable under 1 meter of distance because of hot air flow. Outer wall measured by thermal camera with 2% measurement precision. Inner wall measurement by laser thermometer from a 1.2 meter distance by the shaky hand of a person who didn’t want to get cooked. Conservative, rounded down values due to heat taken off by convective flow estimated to be at least 8% on the outer wall and low irradiation cosine for the inner wall due to high irradiation angle toward laser thermometer (pointing almost in axis with the inner cylinder).

        Stable reaction, without strange happenings. Virtually boring.

        COP raises when 1000 °C are exceeded on the outer wall. [Fuel] consumption is that of a [nuclear] fusion reaction, that is, almost nonexistent. A proper estimate would require to turn the thing on and then taking a very long vacation before verifying the actual consumption.

        For the sake of completeness, it should be noted that data are preliminary and that inner cylinder measurements will have to be remade with less shaky methods than a laser thermometer, in order to improve results as it’s a delicate measurement, since the inner surface is in contact with the air heated by the surface itself.

        • Joe Shea

          Now this sounds like something that will make a huge difference in the world! Wow!

          Unfortunately, I think Brillouin has taken the wrong road, and unless it reverses direction and tries to work with Rossi’s advances it will go nowhere, international licensing or not.

          • Omega Z


            They can all do their own thing. Each learning different approaches will in the end lead to a better understanding of the process. This could lead to faster advances/improvements down the Road.

            Presently it appears there are multiple techniques that work. Rossi seems to be way ahead of the pack, but there’s always a chance other techniques may prove to be better in time.

  • dragonX

    Cop 2.1 is low.
    I am disappointed in Brillouin. They appeared to have more than this lame result. And “hoping for COP 3″, even after they reached 3rd generation of their reactor?
    That means they are way less advanced then they led us to believe.

    From what Defkalion was saying at NIWeek, they hope to go commercial by the end of the year.
    Rossi is saying also something like that but only for the 1 MW Plant. So we can hope only for Rossi or Defkalion (or both) to unleash some conclusive commercial proof by end of the year. But if they don’t show anything and we are still the same (only words, no facts) by Christmas, then skeptics will have a field day.

    • Ged

      Well, they are doing electrolysis to get their hydrogen. All this is going on right there in a water bath. It’s quite a different way of doing things, so no surprise it drops their COP so low. Their main kick is that means all you need is water to run their reactor, but…

    • georgehants

      If the hot fusion guys could reach Cop 1.1 after billions of pounds spent and many, many years, I guess they would be very happy.
      So not such a bad result allowing for the time invested and cost.
      To easy to put people down when they have achieved great things compared to much of science.

      • GreenWin

        Aside from unnecessary wars, money spent on hot fusion has been an entire waste. Internationally the total is now $$250 BILLION. Not one watt of useable energy.

        • morse

          Are you sure it is 250 billion ???
          I thought it was around 20 billion dollars.
          What is your source Greenwin?

          • Barry

            I think 20 billion is just the US alone.

  • Don Witcher

    Rossi’s latest. Comments anyone.

    Andrea Rossi
    August 10th, 2012 at 7:25 AM
    Dear Luca Coppola:
    Thank you for your comment. Actually, we are manufacturing 1 MW plants, we have made validation tests with modules of 10 kW of power with operation temperatures of 1000 Celsius degrees : the market is confirming this, just forget the imbeciles who think that LENRS are still at the “14 watts ” level.
    Anyway I am grateful to “Il Sole 24 Ore” and “Il Fatto Quotidiano” : at least they have understood that in Italy we started something important, even if I had to work in the USA to get real results.
    Warm Regards,
    Andrea Rossi

  • Bruce Fast

    Brillouin seems to be significantly behind others. They have been hooting about a cop of 2 for quite a while. A cop of 3 is the minimum that is commercially usable. One really needs a cop > 5 to have something worth hooting about.

    The only real value that I see Brillouin offering is that they have presented rather trustable formal data to validate the LENR concept.

    • Kim


      They do seem to be responsible for

      providing data.


    • Ged

      Exactly. They have taken a much more careful and measured approach. A more scientific way. Science is slow, but steady and certain because of such stringent and careful steps. Reading their paper, I was greatly pleased with the quality of their work.

      Rather than rushing forward to maximize for market, they are trying to understand it thoroughly. But I think their method is also a slightly different path from the other groups.

      Celani/Rossi: heating the hydrogen replete nickel for reaction, and electrical stimulation of the nickel for doubled reaction power.

      Defkalion: Plasma ignition of hydrogen to generate excited hydrogen states, which then react with nickel. A “sparkplug” like system.

      Brillouin: Water bath with nickel. Heated nickel reacts with hydrogen released from water by electrolysis, modulated by electrical stimulation pulses through the nickel.

      Brillouin is more similar to Rossi/Celani than Defkalion, but throws the twist in of using water, and stimulating pulses rather than a solid electrical flow. Brillouin also has to expend more energy lysing the water for hydrogen than the other groups which feed hydrogen either directly as gas (Defkalion/Celani) or release stored hydrogen from another form (Rossi, supposedly).

      This seems to be the major differences between the groups.

      • Kim

        This science is in its infancy

        I bet that they will take nickel to
        the plasma state with hydrogen.

        The they will have something to brag about.

        We could see power out puts in the Giga range.

        I wish Andrea Rossi would be a little more
        media friendly.

        I wish he would show more videos or pictures with
        steam out put. At 1200c that would be something to see.


        • vbasic

          Kim, you brought up this idea before of Nickel brought to a plasma state being a superior method for LENR. Can you explain how it would work? I thought LENR works with room temperature metals in a lattice where hydrogen fills voids in the metal or surface of metals. Is there something else special about the atomic structure of Nickel that would allow LENR at plasma temperatures? How would your idea work?

  • barty

    I hope someone demonstrate a LENR device producing stream in front of the visitors and press

    • Bruce Fast

      Rossi produced steam in front of visitors, honored physicists and press well over a year ago. That went over pretty much like a lead balloon as far as the general and scientific communities go.

      • Kim

        They need to keep giving people
        these steam demonstrations.

        Rossi is at 1200c. That should show a little steam!!!

        Trust me it will start to seep in.


      • barty

        Yes Bruce, but he demonstrated it only to selected people, not to the public.

        Imagine you could feel with your own hands how hot the steam is, without any electrical heater.
        And you could look with your own eyes where the cables are plugged in and coming from and so on…

        • Ged

          There’s youtube videos of those events though, so in a sense it has been shown to the public by that way.

    • Linda

      Steam is nice… humming turbine are better.

  • Robert Mockan

    The “Q” pulses of current they use do not seem to couple very efficiently to provide LENR thermal power, at COP=2+. Not compared to Rossi with COP=6, or Defkalion with COP=22. Brillouin Energy may say they understand the process, and that their understanding gives them an advantage to commercialize products. But can they sell it even at the COP=3 they say they hope to achieve?

    • Ivan Mohorovicic

      They’re apparently using pure nickel anode/cathode. Recent findings by Celani and Defkalion show that there are better suited Ni-based alloys and material geometries which might greatly increase heat generation in these experiments by promoting H2 dissociation.

  • Supervisor

    For folks, who have no time to read every paper from Archer Quinn, Mylow and Brillouin, what exactly is their output ?

    Input 5 Watt and output is 11 Watt ? Or Input is 15 Watt and output is 33 Watt ?

    • Supervisor

      Well, question solved:

      Input 294 Watt
      Output 247 Watt

      ehhh, where comrades made problem

      • Ivan Mohorovicic

        This is data from heat loss calibration.

      • Ged

        Measurement calibration with no reaction going on. Seeing that is a good thing.

    • robiD

      From their site (Business model page):

      Markets will be addressed by segment:

      Thermal Output: Lowest Power to 600 Watts, Low Power 600 to 1 Kilowatt, Mid Power 1 Kilowatt to 500 Kilowatts, High Power Over 500 Kilowatts