[Updated] Rossi’s E-Cat Technology to be Presented in Zurich, Switzerland on September 8-9,

I have just received an email from Andrea Rossi who confirmed to me that the report posted on the blog of  Dr. Myron Evans which reports that his technology will be presented at a Zurich Conference in September is correct.

The exact content of my email exchange are below:

Me:  A link has shown up in the internet today which mentions a conference in Zurich in September where your technology will be presented.

http://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/low-energy-nuclear-reaction-lenr/

Can you confirm — and if so, may I publish any information about this event?
Andrea Rossi: Perfect, go ahead. You are very correct.

So it’s time now for more research! I will update here as I learn more.

UPDATE: Many thanks to Adolf Schneider, E-Cat licensee for Switzerland for providing  this information.

The conference where information about the E-Cat  will be presented is entitled “Energy Change  with E-Cat Technology” and will be held on September 8-9, at the Technopark Zurich, Technoparkstr. 1, CH 8005 Zurich, Auditorium

The Conference will be hosted by TransAltec Inc., E-Cat Germany and E-Cat Switzerland. Full details can be found at this link: http://www.borderlands.de/Links/Kongress080912E-e.pdf.

Among the presenters will be E-Cat licensees from European regions, and Andrea Rossi.

  • barty

    New Hydrotron Video with thermometer:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7pUik7sEIw

    • GreenWin

      Am I mistaken or is the cathode config on this experiment different than the previous?? This one appears like the original with tungsten powder in a glass funnel.

  • hammerskoj

    Off topic but important:
    http://iopscience.iop.org/0295-5075/99/2/22001
    “Nuclear reactions, induced by γ-quanta, in palladium saturated with deuterium surrounded by dense deuterium gas”
    by Alexander Yurievich Didyk et al., see ICCF-17.
    … “A model of fusion-fission reactions leading to the observed chemical compositions is proposed” …

    • AB

      Too bad the full article is behind a paywall. It would like to see how extensive their testing was.

      • hammerskoj

        http://www1.jinr.ru/Preprints/2012/050(P15-2012-50).pdf
        is free.
        Use Google Translate

      • hammerskoj

        _ttp://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2012PPNL….9…96D
        _ttp://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2012PPNL….9…86D
        Abstracts only,
        “Comparative analysis of deuterium ions implanted and deuterium atoms saturated at high pressure in pure pd and Pd diluted alloys”
        and
        “Depth concentrations of deuterium ions implanted into some pure metals and alloys”

        • hammerskoj

          Full papers as preprints:

          COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS OF DEUTERIUM IONS
          IMPLANTED AND DEUTERIUM ATOMS SATURATED
          AT HIGH PRESSURE IN PURE Pd
          AND Pd DILUTED ALLOYS
          _ttp://www1.jinr.ru/Preprints/2011/007(E14-2011-7).pdf

          DEPTH CONCENTRATIONS OF DEUTERIUM IONS
          IMPLANTED INTO SOME PURE METALS AND ALLOYS
          _ttp://www1.jinr.ru/Preprints/2011/006(E14-2011-6).pdf

          Anyway look carefully at pictures in
          _ttp://www1.jinr.ru/Preprints/2012/050(P15-2012-50).pdf

  • georgehants

    Seems fairly quiet this morning after all the announcements and things.
    A year ago every Website was obsessed with nothing but arguing about kettles and teapots, what is steam and what temperature water boils at.
    Now so much information it’s getting hard to keep up, but we still need that one indisputable piece of the jig-saw that nobody can deny.
    Who will it be that supply’s the coup de grace, Mr Rossi hopefully but anyone will do.

    • artefact

      I count on Ugo Abundo with his Athanor/Hydrotron. He is not doing business but wants to open source it. He has no reason to wait longer than necessary (no competitors and whatever) to publish his hopefully good excess heat.

      • Ivan Mohorovicic

        As for Ugo Abundo, today he posted this tweet, linking a new video titled “#4 reactor failure”:

        http://twitter.com/Hydrotron_lab/statuses/230959320001544192

        • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

          There’s the reddish-yellow ‘flare’ again, immediately preceding shutdown.

        • artefact

          I love it when the light flashes bright blue. The reaction seems not to keep running (/plasma not being stable) in the video.
          I’m considering building a small device myself just to play arround with it a bit. You do not need much for that. A variac, some tungsten powder (not nano, micro or bigger will do it) or other (all transition metals could work / some better some worse), and some propper containers to start with. Well .. if I have time.

          • georgehants

            The school can do it, you can probably do it, but the whole of establishment science, bar the few brilliant Rebels, haven’t got a clue.
            Science will never recover from their incompetence with out a complete change to their philosophical outlook and removal of much of the governing elite.

          • AB

            The process Abundo described is not that simple, mostly due to the handling of the tungsten powder. You’ll need a glovebox and avoid exposing the tungsten to air. You must open the container under water and never allow the mixture to dry.

  • timycelyn

    Interesting. For the first time (AFAIK) Rossi confirms on his blog that the energy input to the E-Cat does not have to be in the form of electric power, rather that it is much easier doing it that way. Question from Seppo:

    “Dear Andrea Rossi, I am rephrasing my question: E-Cat takes in energy in the form of electricity and outputs energy in the form of heat, outputting in average 6 times more energy. Could part of the input energy be in the form of heat (perhaps conducted via solid materials under control of the electronics) to pre-heat the resistor or the reactor? Heat could be obtained from another E-Cat with less energy loss than electricity.

    Andrea Rossi
    August 1st, 2012 at 4:59 PM
    Dear Seppo:
    It is possible to have other heat sources, but not easy because the heating must be precisely focused. We are working also on this issue.
    Thank you for rephrasing,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    • Omega Z

      timycelyn

      Actually Rossi had stated this quite a while back.

      I’ve posted it along with the Q&A from his blog several times in the last 6 months.

      No one seemed to notice.

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

      Heat is heat, so it has always been clear that at least some of the thermal input might be derived by ‘daisy chaining’ as proposed by Seppo. Personally I still have problems with the concept of adding more heat in order to somehow ‘control’ the reaction, and suspect that any additional input is probably in the form of direct current flow, RF or EM fields, which of course would have to be driven by electrical power.

      The ‘extra heat’ thing becomes even more unlikely in the case of the HT reactors, and I’d be willing to bet that the whole COP6 thing will quietly evaporate when Rossi starts flogging drop-in package boilers based on these.

      • AB

        The extra heat to control the reaction might make sense if there’s a temperature threshold after which the rate of reaction decreases. That seems unintuitive at first (because normally more energy equals more reactions), but the nano structures on the surface of metals undergoes changes at different temperature levels and it appears that some sort of nano structure play a critical role in enabling LENRs. However, wouldn’t this mean that the ecat should stabilize itself in some sort of temperature equilibrium?

        That said, the idea probably stops making any sense in the context of 1000 °C ecats. He would have to come up with some other method of controlling the reaction.

        Actually, this whole thing doesn’t make sense. It’s probably a red herring meant to distract from the real method of stimulation/control.

        • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

          That has been my assumption for quite some time! As you say, thermal ‘control’ makes no sense at all if stable reactions at 600C+ are possible.

          If we are looking at two related but dissimilar technologies, then possible a tiny (supposedly controllable) HT reactor could be used to ‘drive’ an LT one, so no need for daisy chains.

  • dragonX

    In the 2 videos I saw with live cold fusion reaction (one was old Brillouin reactor, and one is the Hydroton) I noticed a loud continuous noise for the whole time of the reaction.
    However, in Rossi’s movies with the e-cat operating you don’t hear this loud noise… you don’t hear any noise from the Ecat, just the noise from the pump or some very faded steam noise.

    Any ideas on why this difference?

    • daniel maris

      Isn’t it because the E cat heats metal vanes which then heat the water, rather than heating it directly? Just a guess on my part.

    • Stephen Taylor

      Guessing here; maybe it is the difference between electrolytic reactions and gas loaded reactions. In the electrolytic reactions there is a bit of cavitation going on around the plasma bubbles? In gas loading systems there is no liquid involved to make bubbles go pop on collapse? (Just boiling noises.)
      Regarding the Athanor(sp?) and Hydrotron(sp?) we are waiting for some data. The videos are great but can be made from most any electrolytic process? The proof of the pudding is in the excess heat or lack thereof. The latest video shows a great excitation and glowing but is this due to input electrical power or a combination of that and a reaction taking place that produces anomalous heat?

      • GreenWin

        Stephen, you are correct. The sound is likely from the Variac or current controlled power supply – meeting resistance in electrolytic processes. Gas loaded lattice cells avoid electrolytic resistances resulting in fairly silent operation.

        Considering my recent posting of Portland State’s 2003 cold fusion experiment that confirmed 0.5W and 0.9W excess heat AND transmutation of Pd->Ag – it would be perplexing if the Athanor/Hydrotron did not exhibit both heat and transmutations. Which of course confirms a classic nuclear reaction – “impossible” according to the mainstream.

    • AB

      The plasma electrolysis boils the water violently.

  • Stephen Taylor

    @admin: Frank,
    What is this LENRCONNECT banner? “Paticipate in the revolution” “by invitation only” going live August 3 ? Guess I just blew my invitation.

    • admin

      That’s just a temporary message, Stephen. There’ll be more information on August 3rd.

      • Stephen Taylor

        I gathered that much.

        • dragonX

          🙂

      • dragonX

        So a surprise, yes? Hit me! I can take anything!!! 🙂

        • admin

          OK … Bam!!

          🙂

      • artefact

        at least you don’t let us wait month 😉

  • Niemand

    No Demo in Zurich, confirmed by Rossi

    • Kim

      Andrea Rossi
      August 1st, 2012 at 12:26 PM

      Dear Mark Saker:
      No, that will not be a demo, but a convention.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

    • Ivan Mohorovicic

      Honestly I didn’t expect a demo to be shown there.

    • Ged

      The planner says there’ll be a demo for electrical generation methods at low heat, so it may be a very separate thing. On the other hand, Rossi may have thought the question was asking if the entire event was one giant demo, when it’s actually a convention.

  • morse

    I am curious how the Rossi story will end. I believe we are in the final episodes of the final season 🙂

    • Wes

      Soaps can last a long, long time. Blacklight’s spin has out-lived many of it’s investors. Add the elusive LENR mystery, Rossi’s special-effects department, a cabal of conspiratorial evil scentists, a few snakes, and you have the makings of an EPIC. Frank will be able to complete his sci-fi trilogy, with time to spare.

      • daniel maris

        I incline more to Morse’s view. I think we are in the final stages…either Rossi will be led away in chains or with a laurel wreath around his head.

        As for Black Light, are they really beyond the pale:

        http://www.blacklightpower.com/technology/validation-reports/

      • GreenWin

        Wes, you are well schooled in the art of showmanship. Indeed, this tale is shaping up to challenge GWTW, Greatest Story (and variations), 2001 A Space Odyssey, and Abel Gance’s “Napoleon.” Good company I would imagine.

      • Andrew Macleod

        WHAT! No clowns….. Very disappointing. 🙁

      • Visitor

        Till now, BlackLight are the only one to have proven their technology is real.

        http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-793467

        • steven

          Why didn’t we hear from this incredible techniology in the media?
          Same debunkers as Rossi’s e-cat?
          This technology seems more revolutionary then Rossi’s e-cat, they speak of power cells which can power homes, cars, etc….
          And it seems “very” easy to produce.
          This makes wind and solar obsolete.
          I am so mad at mainstream scientists who deny everything that do not fit into their picture of what is real or not.

          • Visitor

            Does CNN is good enough?

            http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-793467

            • georgehants

              Good report, should be at the top of the page if not seen before.

            • steven

              But still there was no big announcement on any scientific website I visited.
              It’s like saying, we discovered the goose with the golden eggs but we can all go back to sleep now

            • skeptical optimist

              This is a good report and hopefully accurate but unfortunately it is NOT by CNN. The article has a disclaimer at the top stating “NOT VETTED BY CNN”

    • Robert Mockan

      The Rossi story is not over yet, but even if he is stopped the secrete of the catalyst and how to use it will get out. Also there are other stories making the rounds now like the Moller Atomic Hydrogen Generator (MAHG). THE FROARTY BLOG has written up such a good review I’ll just refer anyone interested to that.
      http://froarty.scienceblog.com/32162/tungsten-and-atomic-hydrogen/
      http://www.gifnet.org/MAHG/The%20Moller%27s%20Atomic%20Hydrogen%20Generator.htm

  • georgehants

    Breaking the barriers for low-cost energy storage
    USC-led team develops a battery that could help California transition to renewable energy sources
    A team of researchers has developed a cheap, rechargeable and eco-friendly battery that could be used to store energy at solar power plants for a rainy day.
    Led by Sri Narayan, professor of chemistry at the USC Dornsife College of Letters, Arts and Sciences, the team developed an air-breathing battery that uses the chemical energy generated by the oxidation of iron plates that are exposed to the oxygen in the air – a process similar to rusting.
    “Iron is cheap and air is free,” Narayan said. “It’s the future.” Details about the battery will be published July 20 in the Journal of the Electrochemical Society.
    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-08/uosc-btb080112.php

    • barty

      Where are such news about LENR? 🙁

      • georgehants

        Do you mean, what has this got to do with Cold Fusion.

        I don’t know , can you think of anything.

        • barty

          I meant why such science news sites are not reporting about LENR.
          Not one word…

          • georgehants

            barty, I am sorry I misunderstood, I follow main-line science and business news reports as a matter of course and not one report in science news and a very occasional reports in the business ones.
            All that could hopefully change very soon.
            Fingers crossed.

            This is a link to 2012 NASA Advanced Technology Concepts Selected For Study, not a word on Cold Fusion I bet, but I have not read it all.
            http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/aug/HQ12-261_NIAC_Selections.html

            • hempenearth

              There is a phase 2 grant for a fusion driven rocket. Hot fusion.

    • GreenWin

      Thanks George. Chemical storage will remain a mainstay for portable energy for a while. Nice to see something of significance from USC (beside football.) I do worry about the author of the article who writes:

      “Regular sealed batteries, like the AAs in your TV remote, are not rechargeable.” Er, not sure where Mr. Perkins lives but sealed AA batteries are available in NiMh or Li-ion at Radio Shack and thousands of retailers worldwide.

  • Ivan Mohorovicic

    New tweet by Ugo Abundo. Apparently his group performed “important measurements” today. Hoping for more details soon:

    http://twitter.com/Hydrotron_lab/statuses/230734219435978752

  • HHiram

    Well, it will be wonderful if Rossi demonstrates the E-Cat. But the website (http://drmyronevans.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/low-energy-nuclear-reaction-lenr/) for this news apparently belongs to “Dr. Myron Evans”.

    The first thing this person does is claim that global warming is a “fantasy”.

    Now do you understand why the scientific community is not taking LENR seriously?

    It would be the same is if someone who denied the theory of evolution supported LENR. We do not need these people on our team…

    • Ivan Mohorovicic

      When skeptics (in university environment, like professors, researchers, etc) refer to Global Warming, they usually refer to the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming according to which the Earth would suffer over a geologically quick time a runaway warming (temperatures rising uncontrollably with all possible consequences) due to man-made CO2 emissions.

      Granted that I don’t know if Dr.Evans thinks this or if he believes that the Earth hasn’t been warming at all, if we all agree on LENR and if we find out that it can be a new source of energy, these discussions would become irrelevant as most human-made CO2 emissions would be quickly eliminated over time.

      I won’t go deeper into this. I don’t think we need Climate Change discussions here, they heat up too quickly and most of the time arguments are politically or emotionally based, as also demonstrated by Jed Rothwell on Vortex-l.

      • HHiram

        “most human-made CO2 emissions would be quickly eliminated over time.”

        Unfortunately, CO2 remains in the atmosphere for centuries. To undo the damage that has already been done, we would have to pull CO2 out of the atmosphere. Reforestation is the easiest way to do this, but there are some other options as well.

        But simply stopping the burning of fossil fuels is not enough to repair all the damage we have caused. You can review the work of James Hansen (NASA) for more details on this.

        • Ged

          I don’t think you should use James “the Earth’s oceans will boil” Hansen as a source. Also, your CO2 longevity figure is outdated by several years. Get away from Hansen and look through some more literature, is the best advice I can give. We don’t need these discussions here.

          • HHiram

            Hansen is the director of NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, and is the world’s most highly-respected climate scientist.

            But of course, your opinion is the one we should all listen to…

            • Ged

              No, you should use your own mind and reasoning. Don’t surrender your brain to the logical fallacy of “argument by authority”. Was that not how the dark ages were run?

              Evaluate the statements/evidence yourself, and I think you’ll find you can’t trust a source (one which should be rational and impartial) that spouts such extremist, nonfactual remarks and whom has been arrested more than a few times due to over the top behavior.

            • Lu

              Yes please ignore 98% of expert opinions of active climate scientists and the organizations they belong to, brush off your high-school and college text books, buy Senator (OK) Imhof’s book, and then decide for yourself.

            • Ged

              Who’s saying to ignore anything, Lu, other than Hansen? Read the other 99.999% of experts (look at the data and methods, not opinions; the facts, not “authority says”; the more the better! Does this not hold true for cold fusion?), but I would argue never to refer anyone to Hansen anymore. He is certainly not representative of the science in any way these days (his 1980’s work and probably early 1990s is still good, and then he… lost it, with claims and predictions no data or serious scientist could ever backup, and self publishing “papers” he tries to claim as authoritative though they have received no review what so ever).

            • HHiram

              Lu, did you seriously just recommend that I ignore NASA and thousands of other climate scientists, and instead read the ignorant ravings of a hard-right conservative anti-intellectual zealot who believes the entire world is conspiring against American Republicans? I hope your post was meant as a joke.

            • Lu

              Something like that HHiram, he, he, he. We’d better cool it though as this has wandered a bit off topic.

    • georgehants

      Hiram, are you suggesting that science is so daft that if somebody says they disagree with one topic then by definition that excludes any possibility of another topic being a Fact.
      What a strange point of view.
      I think I shall stick to my criteria, that only Evidence and research matter and all “expert opinion” is pointless rubbish.
      A shame that much of science does not agree with me and remove anybody in science that thinks an opinion outweighs Evidence.
      By the way global warming has a topic on the Forums.

    • GreenWin

      No. I welcome those questioning evolution or any theory provided they have a evidence and some thesis to base it upon. The WHOLE point of open mindedness is to encourage alternative thinking and ideas without punitive reaction.

      “I intend to argue that the theory of natural selection is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical research programme…” Sir Karl R. Popper PhD

      “Karl Popper is regarded as one of the greatest philosophers of science of the 20th century. A self-professed ‘critical-rationalist’, a dedicated opponent of all forms of scepticism, conventionalism, and relativism in science and in human affairs, a committed advocate and staunch defender of the ‘Open Society’, and an implacable critic of totalitarianism in all of its forms.”

      Dr. Evans questions the current Standard Model of physics. He has observations, evidence and a unified theory. You do not have to agree with all his ideas. Disagreement is a foundation of learning. He’s welcome on my team.

      • Ged

        Agreed on all points. Questioning anything is perfectly fine when you have observations/evidence to back up your reasoning. This is exactly how science works, how hypotheses and theories are tested and advanced.

      • GreenWin

        BTW, fact: Jim Hansen is an astronomer who studied CO2 forcing on planet Venus and was promoted to spokesman for AGW. A well-meaning guy I’m sure, but perhaps a mistaken “choice.”

  • Andreiko

    No marbles yes-men disappear too.

  • DragonX

    So who will be first in showing a Commercial Prototype this year?
    Defkalion, Brillouin or Rossi?

    • Lu

      Every little bit helps but what we really need is independent verification. Defkalion and Rossi have kind of promised this. I cannot speak for Brillouin because I don’t follow them–they may already have some level of this.

      • Ged

        Yeah, no clue about Brillouin either. At the rate things are going… honestly if Defkalion keeps its August promise, it might be first in this. Not holding my breath however. In which case if Defkalion fails to deliver, Rossi looks most likely to be first. Of course, the August ICCF-17 conference may have plenty of surprises for us.

        There is a demo by Dr. Hans Weber slated for this September E-cat event, but don’t know if that’s using an E-cat or not.

        • DragonX

          I wonder if we will have the youtubes for the ICCF-17 discussions and presentations? That will be good for the LENR community.
          For example I would like to see Defkalion answering to some of the questions coming from the other scientists there, like Hagelstein.

          • artefact

            If there would be livestream during all presentations I would stay at home to watch it and not go to work…

            • Barry

              Same here. I hope there will be broadcasting but haven’t heard anything.

  • GreenWin

    In all the Zurich excitement this important bit of info may have gotten lost or overlooked:

    A slideshow of Dr. John Dash and the Portland State University experiment in 2003 demonstrating excess heat and Pd–>Ag transmutation.

    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DashJthequestfo.pdf

    Anyone wonder why it has taken so long for these results – done by high school kids, have not spawned public funds to further investigate LENR??? “Hey, who the heck are high school kids to be telling enlightened scientists what’s up??”

    • Karl

      Agree. Very strange that this seemingly convincing result have not been more openly discussed before. I haven’t personally followed CF since after Rossi demo Jan 2011.

      • Ged

        I started following CF after Rossi’s October 9th 2011 demo. Seems there’s a lot more hidden in this field that still have yet to come to the light of day.

        • GreenWin

          Ged, you seem correct. How could the work of college freshmen confirming the existence of anomalous heat and nuclear transmutation on the desktop – not have made some kind of splash? In an ever-more-fascinating way, the LENR saga confirms an over-arching intelligence that quashes publication of knowledge deemed by “Eliterati” detrimental to its agenda.

          No wonder there is such a huge audience. It is literally David vs Goliath.

  • Max S

    for Germany, there is a new company E-Cat Deutschland GmbH & Co KG.
    There is a guy called Gerd Neuman of New Man Consulting, Kaufungen, Germany who claims to be associated with E-Cat Germany. This fellow is shooting newsletters at interested people in Germany. He had already announced the Zürich event more than a week ago in this newsletter. In one of the newsletters he stated that Rossi is considering moving production of the e-cat to Germany because of known high quality standards there.

  • Andrew Macleod

    As Rossi is making headway, Italian government cuts funding….

    http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/50413

    • GreenWin

      Funny about politicians. If the funds are somehow making politicians look good – they continue. If public sentiment views funding as wasteful or unproductive… they get cut. Except in the case of AGW.