LENR Could Extract Water From the Atmosphere Cheaply

One of the technologies that has been mentioned as being immediately suitable for E-Cat technology is desalination of seawater. The E-Cat is particularly suitable for desalination because of the amounts of heat that is needed in vacuum distillation — the most commonly used method of desalination processes used around the world. This of course would be of great benefit to communities that are close to the coast, and of course water can be pumped to inland areas.

There is, however, a different approach for producing potable water. The atmosphere itself is an ocean of water, and anyone who has used a dehumidifier knows that when air is exposed to a refrigerated coil, water can easily be extracted from the atmosphere.

While household dehuimidifiers produce only small quantities of water, there are ways to extract atmospheric water on a much larger scale. One company that is doing this is called Aqua Science Inc which makes a product they call the Emergency Water Station that can draw hundreds of gallons of water a day out of the atmosphere. A recent NPR report talks about how Aqua Science is using its technology in disaster zones and military installations currently for a cost of around 20 cents per gallon. The company claims that one of these portable container-sized units can provide enough drinking water for up to 5200 people per day in emergency situations.

Of course much power is required to run these condensing units — Aqua Science units use either a built in generator or an external electrical source. But, if you incorporate almost-free electricity produced by an E-Cat or other LENR source into these kinds of systems it shouldn’t be difficult to extract water continually at very inexpensive rates.

It doesn’t take much imagination to see how beneficial this kind of system could be if powered by almost free energy. These kinds of units could be used in agriculture, gardening, and for domestic water needs. Desert living could be enhanced tremendously by such technology, and it could be used in times of disruption to regular water supplies.

A shortage of fresh water is considered by many to be one of the most pressing global problems that we could be facing in upcoming decades — perhaps the emergence of LENR technology will provide tools to help deal with this critical issue.

Below is a video of Aqua Sciences CEO Abe Sher talking about his technology and how it uses technology that is more effective than simple distillation.

  • Rockyspoon

    Strange that people would focus on the desalination process that involves boiling/condensation when there is research indicating LENR can be used directly to transform salt elements into other elements that simply bubble out of a stream of processed water, resulting in sweet water at a fraction of the cost.

  • Anthony Scalzi

    The chillers required to condense water from the atmosphere don’t necessarily need to be powered by electricity. There’s plenty of companies that produce evaporative chillers which are powered by heat, not electricity. These would be much more suited to directly using the heat generated by Ecats or whatnot instead of converting the heat to electricity somehow and incurring an efficiency loss.

  • joe j

    So who will put down $300,000 USD for 1 of those water making trailers to connect your ecat as the power supply?

    My local water company charges me $40 a month for the water i use so i want to go off the “water grid”. I could make my money back after a few years.

    • Jacob

      The water distillation project in not for you as long as you have a water supply, but it is for nations live in the desert and have sea water and no sweet water – As those mideast oil nations.

      • joe j

        That’s like saying, the ecat is not for you as long as you have a power supply, but it is for nations that live in the desert and have no oil.

  • georgehants

    Default Torsion Physics
    Former CBS science advisor to Walter Cronkite and former NASA consultant Richard C. Hoagland spoke about his and others work with torsion physics, and how the knowledge that is coming out of their experiments could point the way to free energy vehicles, and the neutralizing of radioactive waste. Rather than electromagnetic in nature, he defined the torsion field as the “the vibrations in the ether…which is what makes possible the sustenance of matter…It’s the fundamental structure of space-time itself and it has waves…and we have created a technology to measure these ripples and waves and patterns.”
    He discussed the ), and it demonstrated that “something is able to reach out and almost miraculously…change the inertia of moving matter with none of the fuss and fury of exploding atoms and hydrogen bombs,” he announced. We could use this technology to get readouts of the internal structure of new exoplanets, he said, adding that torsion field physics could also be harnessed to transform the transportation industry, and free America geopolitically from its dependence on foreign oil.
    http://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3118-Torsion-Physics&p=17029#post17029

    • GreenWin

      George, I think these people are on to something significant. A new force that permeates the universal vacuum.

  • GreenWin

    Aqua Sciences makes a point of stating they are “fully off-grid.” Of course this does make a big difference. Being independent of any large system is preferable for those who enjoy freedom. In the recent century we have seen increasing loss of this independence as system operators, aka insane oligarchs and PTB – try to impose ever greater systems of monitoring and control.

    But the wave of the future is distributed energy and systems like Aqua Sciences. There is no good technological or social reason NOT to expand distributed systems – except to maintain the status quo. But the status quo was established a century ago and is long out of date. If we de-centralize energy and some essential services – demand for supporting tax structure is reduced. This means government must adapt like everyone else. There will be less tax money needed because public/private industries like centralized electricity will no longer be needed.

    One further note on de-centralized systems. Any knowledgeable military man will tell you a distributed system is FAR SAFER against attack and cascading failures – than central services. LENR and off-grid solutions deliver a far higher margin of National Security – than vulnerable centralized systems.

  • DeMac

    From what I have been reading on the internet there are also many other people and organizations that have been investigating LENR type energy reactions with good results. This brings LENR out of the realm of science fiction.

    The only thing that is missing is proof of economical gains (for example: reliable outputs of multiple kilowatts per hour).

  • Tony James

    As I read the story the first the to come to mind was the “Moisture Farm” on Tatoine in Star Wars (where Luke was raised). Always amuses me to see SciFi become SciFact.

    • dfnj

      One person’s science fact is another person’s pathological delusion.

      • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

        A scientific fact can’t be a delusion. Incomplete perhaps, but that is all.

        Or perhaps you made the comment just to get the final 2 words into the thread?

    • GreenWin

      So Say We All!

  • andreiko

    Water aan de atmosfeer onttrekken is geen aantrekkelijke optie zelfs niet voor LENR de aggregatie verandering kost ook dan teveel aan calorieen + de enorme hoeveelheid lucht die gevangen moet worden voor 1L
    water.De zon als verdamper en aardatmosfeer als condensator met wat sturing door de mens lijkt mij meer voor de hand liggen.

    • dfnj

      Logic of rationalisme zullen niet afschrikken een van de Rossi sekteleden van het hebben van wilde speculaties over een commerciële technologie die echt niet bestaat.

      • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

        Trans.: “Logic or rationalism will not deter any of the members of the Rossi sect from making wild speculations about a commercial technology that really does not exist.”

        I see you are happy to reveal your true colours in another language then, Dave.

        • GreenWin

          Naysayers seem get more shrill as inevitable success looms large. And one need only sell a single unit to be properly called “commercial.”

          • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

            In one place I lived there used to be a local lunatic, called ‘Lord Claude’ for some reason (he dressed very smartly and eccentrically in Edwardian country fashions). He used to stand at busy intersections, shouting at the traffic, every day, all day. Unfortunately for him, only the occasional stranger paid any attention, apart from the kids who lined up to laugh at him. Even they got bored eventually!

      • georgehants

        dfnj, that is out of order, I think.

      • Barry

        Dave, if you don’t think LENR exists, what are you doing here?

  • Red_Baron

    There is only one way to free all people from the cycle of famine that supports the current oligarchs. The best way is the decentralization of energy production, if every individual has their equipment to produce energy for home, the chain of dependency will be broken. However, I do not think it will be possible very easily, Mr. Rossi does not want this decentralization, today he works closely with military and government agencies who have no interest in releasing this decentralized technology, the biggest obstacle that all may be benefited by LENR is human greed. The single most powerful weapon that the oligarchs have in your hand is a shortage, coupled with the selfishness that prevents us to achieve our maximum potential. Clearly this was created a bureaucratic apparatus to maintain LENR under control of the ruling elites, because they buy people, “every man has his price.” There currently are creating security protocols, specific legislation, taxes, legal sanctions, forms of surveillance and control, market policies and campaigns to misinform the majority of people. Everything to keep under his control the destinies of us all. Everyone here knows the implications of decentralized energy generation, plentiful and cheap. That would be a paradigm shift in the segment of politics, finance, sociology and technology in general. It would be a radical change and cause a profound transformation in power relations. This will not happen so easily, will not be allowed. Mr. Rossi is under control, their actions are defined, he wants it, he’s absorbed by power, seduced by the possibility of unimaginable wealth. The only real way everyone has access to this technology is open source, if not, forget the dream of freedom and abundacia for everyone. So my admiration and eternal gratitude to Mr. Albert Sabin, there are few like him, just have the feeling of compassion, few want to share, just remember the suffering of most people in the world, trapped by the paradigm of scarcity. We all know that LENR is real and viable now, because it is not already available? We all know the answer. But we can press, we require, we can protest and publicize what is happening now, is one of the mayors that we can promote changes in everyone’s life, we must do our part.
    I sincerely hope that Mr. Rossi and others who owns this teconologia wake up and renounce their personal greed for the benefit of all human beings. But so far what we are seeing is the enclosure of LENR in the hands of oligarchs constituted.

    Greetings to all.

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

      Indeed. It has to be one or the other – there is not much middle ground.

  • Lu

    Interesting that no one is pointing out that the US military and Oil industry is spurring the development of this technology? 🙂

    • admin

      Hi Lu, You are right. This Aqua Sciences tech seems to be very suitable for militaries and oil companies when they are out in desert conditions. Plus these both have money to spend on these pretty expensive units.

      Like any other new tech, those with the money are usually the first to adopt when they see an obvious benefit that they can afford.

      • Lu

        Well my comment was intended to be a gentle poke rather than a statement of opinion!

        I do agree however with your comments except I would say that those in business will adopt technologies and/or take risks if it is economically feasible to do so. In many ways the military is a big business, a very big business with a guaranteed (more or less) source of income no matter what they do. Existing energy companies also require a lot of energy and water (e.g., for fracking, refining etc) and work in remote areas without infrastructure even in the US so it makes sense that they would be early adopters of cheaper energy enabled technologies as well as LENR itself.

        • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

          ‘Poke’ accepted! I agree that the signs are that this technology will now be allowed, even encouraged perhaps behind closed doors. But (isn’t there always one) these are exactly the parties who would want to get their hands on the most efficient tech on an exclusive basis. I can’t really see them being in much of a hurry to hand over their IP to the white goods manufacturers, until they (energy conglomerates) have an unbreakable system of control and ‘metering’ in place. I don’t think there’s any real inconsistency here.

          • Lu

            Amazing. We must live on different planets!

            • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

              You see the main purpose of the military and oil cartel involvement as springing from a desire to bring us cheaper central heating then?

            • Lu

              I didn’t know I said that.

              The government certainly uses the military for political and civilian purposes which includes middle class welfare and technology advancement.

      • Lu

        Just another thought. It seems to me that most new technology is adopted first by commercial interests because these entities are willing to deal with the risks. After a while the technology makes it’s way into the consumer market. (I’m not sure if the automobile followed this line of development.) Rossi is attempting to introduce the E-Cat into the consumer market but perhaps it is too early to do this.

      • GreenWin

        It seems to me there is a clever allocation of introduction going on. Given that we have any level of competition e.g. Defkalion, Leonardo, Brilliouin – we will see market segmentation. That is, different product will offer different capabilities. So, Rossi may introduce only a water heater for homes, but DGT could add the cogeneration piece.

        Think of the microwave or refrigerator. Both followed rapid adoption curves due to the high desirability. If you can buy a water heater, SOON you’ll be able to buy a Combined Heat & Power unit (CHP.) Why?? Because We ALREADY CAN!! There are lots of working commercial and consumer CHP units in use today. LENR simply makes the fuel dirt cheap. Too bad for the gas company. Unless they’re wicked smart and brand their OWN LENR products! What a concept!

  • daniel maris

    Rossi is talking about the cost to the consumer I think. Most people around the globe pay at least four times that in their electricity and heating bills. If you’re from the USA I think you’ll find your energy prices are still v. cheap.

  • andreiko

    Stuwmeren met pijpleidingen naar droogte gebieden zorgt voor ,afkoeling klimaat ,voedsel,CO2 afname,voorkomt zeespiegel stijging,geeft werkgelegenheid , zoetwater!

    Ontzilting is dan nergens voor nodig.

    • Jorge

      Translation from Andreiko’s Dutch sentence:
      “Reservoirs with pipelines to drought areas would result in: cool climate, food, CO2 reduction, prevent sea level rise, provide employment, fresh water!

      Desalination is not necessary.”

      Andreiko, I still think desalination, specially using the e-cat, would have far lower costs. Think of this: small infrastructure required; quick deployment; no worries with potential disruption due to sabotage miles and miles away; a smaller footprint on the environment.
      The energy and water independence that the E-cat can bring is truly staggering.

      • andreiko

        Geachte Jorge,

        Kunt u,uw stelling onderbouwen met een reken model?

  • georgehants

    K. D.
    July 14th, 2012 at 6:37 PM
    Mr.Frank Acland
    ……recharging of the fuel for the domestic E-Cat would be done by an approved contractor…- might depend not only from Rossi, but also from the level of government bureaucracy and corruption existing in some countries.
    It might be, that not only must be installed by mechanic from approved contractor, but in presents of some inspector from controlling agency.
    —-
    Andrea Rossi
    July 15th, 2012 at 1:56 AM
    Dear Frank Acland:
    You are right: I said so before the certification process; the certificator demands that the refuel is made by a certified operator.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R
    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=666#comments

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

      Step 1: Fuel supplies controlled by centralised corporate ‘authority’. (All users and addresses therefore recorded.) DONE

      Step 2: Legal requirement for all units to be monitored via internet or mobile network? Justification: ‘Safety’ issues.

      Step 3: ‘Green’ pay-as-you-go taxes? (Coding mechanism in cores to prevent copying or user replenishment) Justification: To offset costs of decommissioning/conversion of nuclear/fossil sources.

      I don’t think anyone should be in any doubt that rollout of CF is already ‘under control’ and we are being collectively screwed by TPTB.

    • timycelyn

      @ Peter R.

      Your foretelling of the way TBTB would have to get control, and some of the devices they would do to achieve it, is beginning to come true, chillingly accurately.

      So, we’re taking bets here. Is this requirement of the certificators something they have thought up in their own little pointy heads, or is it the first part of Peter’s predictions, that our lords and masters are making sure they can preserve a nice healthy rake off??

      • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

        Tim, thank you for remembering that I suggested this likely path some time ago! Regarding U/L and equivalent bodies in Canada, Europe, Australasia etc. I think it is highly likely that like the media, govt regulating agencies, research journals, patent offices etc. they have long since been fully ‘captured’ and are now an integral part of the oligarchal control system that seems to permeate most of the ‘West’. They will therefore impose whatever conditions TPTB require, beginning with control of core distribution as Rossi now confirms. My guess is that a requirement for a remote monitoring/control system is either in process or will shortly be added. Rossi will have no choice but to comply.

        I would have to say that I don’t think I am naturally paranoid, but having been involved in the ‘natural health’ field for quite some time, and more recently in looking at how and why CF and some other technologies and health breakthroughs have been so thoroughly suppressed over the last few decades, I personally don’t think any other explanation fits the facts.

        So in answer to your question, it seems to me that the game plan is becoming clearer:

        (a) Allow the energy corporates and military to assume exclusive control of the high output technologies (Rossi Mk11, DGT(?), Brillouin) and use these to replace (at their own pace) fossil fueled generation and to refit warships and eventually the merchant fleet.

        (b) Invent ‘safety issues’ or invoke ‘national security’ to justify a licensing requirement for the use of the HT tech – i.e., create govt. controlled monopolies.

        (c) Allow heavily spun public announcement/disclosure of the tech. in as low-key a manner as possible, preceding or coinciding with;

        (d) Release the Rossi Mk1 low temperature ‘home units’ under tight control of fueling and operation, priced and and crippled in ways that ensure that the units are only just competitive with existing technologies. Pricing will probably include PAYG taxation that uses the remote monitoring system to drive a ‘billing’ system that looks just like grid utility billing (the govt’s rake-off). CF with therefore enter the energy ‘mix’ with barely a ripple, and no-one will get too over-excited about the possibilities.

        I think this may be the plan, but as others have pointed out, complicating factors such as the internet, replicators, and countries outside the sphere of influence of the Bilderbergers may yet make the wheels come off.

        My crystal ball goes dark at this point…

        • georgehants

          Sorry to butt in, but Peter ‘natural health’ etc.
          Are you sympathetic to the facts of the Placebo.

          • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

            Hello George. Yes of course. The Placebo effect is proven fact, and even has to be compensated for in formal drug trials, as it was quickly found that the inert ‘control’ pills are often just as effective as the drugs being tested!

            • georgehants

              Peter, we have a lot of work to do in many areas.
              Truly peace to all.

        • artefact

          Add to (d):

          Rossi states he can not get better COP than 6.
          I don’t believe that!

          That COP 6 together with more expensive refuling and maby monitoring costs and whatever (tax) will make LENR compliant to the TPTB
          ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_powers_that_be_(phrase) )

          • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

            Exactly. I very much doubt that there are any physical laws that limit COP to 6 – others have already claimed much higher figures. My impression is that Rossi has stuck just a little too rigidly to this number, and I suspect that this is either to avoid frightening the horses, or to reduce expectations, or both.

          • GreenWin

            Ah, Peter, makes me think of “overclocked” CPUs, decryption hacks, DIY fuel injection, car kits, gliders, etc. Let’s say we all know the cost of a 6 month fuel module is $10.00 (reasonable given materials cost.) And let’s throw in a VAT of $200 at time of purchase (a FAT 20%!) – and let’s add a $50 “Refuel” charge.

            $1,200, water heater unit and tax capital cost. And annual operating cost of $100 (Refuel x2). Our operating cost is STILL only $100 annually. A rough average of 80% LOWER than electric or gas heat.

            Sure there will be attempts to tax LENR into oblivion. But remember one thing. In even psuedo-democracies politicians must be re-elected. What better platform than to shout, “I will cut your energy bill by 80%!!!” Pols are greedy too. If my representative tries to triple LENR taxes – come election time, his opponent has a winning issue. Politicians supporting unfettered LENR will become the Peoples heroes.

            • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

              “$50 “Refuel” charge” Round here you wouldn’t get a plumber to cross the street for less than £100/$150.

              GW – If Rossi’s box makes it to the stores without an uplink of some kind, then I concede. If on the other hand, at some point AR says it will have integrated web/mobile connectivity…

              btw I have several vintage replica type kit cars (total maturity failure) but I don’t really understand the reference?

            • GreenWin

              Hmmm… $150 is steep in the States for an hourly plumber. This LENR service guy – is doing the equivalent of changing a light bulb – to be honest. The ref to car kits is to Do It Yourself enthusiasts who will be building their own version of e-cat or Hyperion from knock off clone kits.

              There is little doubt that a legit or bootleg catalyst industry will spring up. And in the US it will be VERY hard to legislate a wireless monitor. Do we monitor our microwave? The fridge? We have a Fourth Amendment that essentially says – it is illegal for any branch of government to enter our homes without owner’s permission. Since they do not supply a consumable of any volume… there is little to Meter.

              You assume a “meter” to charge usage fees. I don’t think so. The promise is heat/electric for less than 1 pence/kW. Not worth the billing infrastructure for that money.

            • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

              GW – Plumbers over here tend to charge about £30-40 per hour, but they have a magic weapon called a ‘callout charge’ (typ. £50-60) which means that the simplest job will cost at least this. However I’m assuming that this particular ‘specialist’ will probably have to pay for ‘training’ and franchise fees, and this could easily bump the charge through the roof.

              Kit cars – ah, right, understood. I’ve built a couple, and have a workshop, so…

              Re. monitoring, I think the ‘authorities’ could make this stick if they can invent a ‘safety’ case (as in, the device is completely safe, so long as it is monitored constantly). There would be no coercion involved, just the ‘take it or leave it’ proposition that the heater will only work if it has an uplink, and will shut down otherwise. My broadband connection works like that, in that I have to accept that some data I don’t control goes through the connection, courtesy of microsoft, google etc.

              I suggested a long time ago that I think that any/all CF devices in public hands will come with taxation that makes them only marginally competitive, regardless of the actual base cost per kWh. Two birds.. CF then looks unexceptional and unexciting, and the govt. gets a good skim. It seems likely that as we are conditioned to pay metered utility bills, that arrangements will be put in place to simulate this system, even if the usage is not in fact monitored (e.g., typical TV or broadband package)

              As I said, if Rossi’s home e-cat doesn’t have any connectivity, and that includes ‘smart mains’ comms, then my pessimism is unjustified (unless of course they come with unmetered ‘billing’!).

            • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

              GW: “Do we monitor our microwave? The fridge?”

              Coming soon to your neighborhood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_grid

            • GreenWin

              Hi Peter, I enjoy your thoughts on these subjects – especially those considering the darker potentials. The pricey LENR Guy will undoubtedly come to pass. Which is why I shall shop for a guy who also changes my vacuum cleaner bags and might iron a shirt or two.

              As for the “smartgrid” – a very good point. This is one reason I an enthusiastic about LENR – to avoid this Big Brother debacle. The “smartgrid” is an extravagant stretch in utility illusion. Why give the grid greater control over your home appliances? – their reasoning is rationed energy. An irrational reason in the age of abundant energy!

              Unlike your ISP or cable/tv provider, LENR is autonomous, i.e. there is no consumable product delivered remotely. Thus, monitoring even for safety is a stretch in believability. One might include a LENR heater in a home security contract – a private service outside government. In the long run, I think monitoring will not pass a privacy test – without a REAL safety issue.

              Utilities will be very unhappy about losing fat new revenue from their “smartgrid” invention. But hey, the guys who made a Kevlar horseshoe were also bummed when Hank Ford built the Model T!

        • timycelyn

          Peter, I think I’ll print this out and tick these predictions off as one by one they fall into place.

          My optimistic little soul has taken a bit of a battering now, but I see the thin silver lining in your last para which does keep the candle flickering for me.

          So, scroll forward 15 years. Domestic (highly controlled) and industrial LENR well established and steadily displacing fossil fuels.

          China and India have given TPTB the finger and are doing their own thing, and exporting all kinds of LENR stuff – replacement modules that amazingly enough seem to fit western kit, their own domestic kit, CHP kit that does both heat and power.

          Whilst most of their export markets will be Africa, rest of developing world, etc. such goods will be bootlegged into our enlightened countries as well.

          The rebel in me wonders about enforcement – will it be at an ineffectual level (like Part P of the building code about DIY wiring) or a red in tooth and claw mode – more like customs and excise after road use of red diesel, or smuggling?

          George, on another topic I don’t have to believe in the Placebo effect, that’s like believing in the Sun. I always reckon the word belief can only be applied to things as yet unproven and perhaps never will be proven.

          The placebo effect is as real, and as well demonstrated, as the fact that 2+2 =4. It’s not universally useful because:

          1. Not all physiological conditions are responsive to it – an aggressive cancer might be an example of one.

          2. It is hard- with current knowledge and lack of optimization research – to turn it on and off, and deliver it in a high enough ‘dosage’ to cure the condition as well as the indicated medication.

          What amazes me is often how modest the margins are in drug trials by which the test drug outperforms the placebo. Factor of 10? I wish. More like 30% recover vs 20% for the placebo, which would be hailed as a really good result!

          It leaves you feeling ‘If only one put as much effort into this effect as trying to beat it with the new wonder drug, where would we be then?? Of course, the real question is ‘Where would Big Pharma be then?’ and the answer is up that famous creek, and without a paddle in sight…

          Take care

          Tim

          • georgehants

            timycelyn, thank you.
            My argument is much the same for all subjects, I agree with your points, but, I refer to the fact that much of science debunks and denies subjects that give it mental trouble, which means everything beyond nuts and bolts reductionist Dogma in many cases.
            I make the point that as with many subjects, the Truth of the Placebo should be freely researched and debated in science.
            Without Free, unbiased, open research, knowledge is delayed that could be of much benefit to humanity.
            A true scientist marvels at and researches the unknown, not shy away because accepted Dogma of the administration, academia and his peers frightens him.
            Or should we accept the current status within much of main-line science that cold fusion is a myth.
            http://cen.acs.org/articles/90/i28/Unlikely-Cold-Fusion.html

        • timycelyn

          [Some errors in first post and have got a little entangled with the editor, so have ended up reposting. apols. tim]

          Peter, I think I’ll print this out and tick these predictions off as one by one they fall into place.

          My optimistic little soul has taken a bit of a battering now, but I see the thin silver lining in your last para which does keep the candle flickering for me.

          So, scroll forward 15 years. Domestic (highly controlled) and industrial LENR well established and steadily displacing fossil fuels.

          China and India have given TPTB the finger and are doing their own thing, and exporting all kinds of LENR stuff – replacement modules that amazingly enough seem to fit western kit, their own domestic kit, CHP kit that does both heat and power.

          Whilst most of their export markets will be Africa, rest of developing world, etc. such goods will be bootlegged into our enlightened countries as well.

          The rebel in me wonders about enforcement – will it be at an ineffectual level (like Part P of the building code about DIY wiring) or a red in tooth and claw mode – more like customs and excise after road use of red diesel, or smuggling?

          George, on another topic people sometimes ask if one believes in the placebo effect. I don’t have to believe in the placebo effect, that’s like believing in the Sun. I always reckon the word belief can only be applied to things as yet unproven and perhaps never will be proven.

          The placebo effect is as real, and as well demonstrated, as the fact that 2+2 =4. It’s not universally useful because:

          1. Not all physiological conditions are responsive to it – an aggressive cancer might be an example of one.

          2. It is hard- with current knowledge and lack of optimization research – to turn it on and off, and deliver it in a high enough ‘dosage’ to cure the condition as well as the indicated medication.

          What amazes me is often how modest the margins are in drug trials by which the test drug outperforms the placebo. Factor of 10? I wish. More like 30% recover vs 20% for the placebo, which would be hailed as a really good result!

          It leaves you feeling ‘If only one put as much effort into this effect as trying to beat it with the new wonder drug, where would we be then?? Of course, the real question is ‘Where would Big Pharma be then?’ and the answer is up that famous creek, and without a paddle in sight…

          Take care

          Tim

          • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

            Tim, my pontifications are a bit of a hostage to fortune then!

            Actually, until very recently I considered it more likely that the home unit would just be allowed to quietly fade into memory, so Rossi’s recent announcements already seem to have thrown a spanner into one of my scenarios. Maybe this is a concession he has been able to obtain – I think keeping promises may be quite important to Rossi, and in any case I’m sure he wouldn’t want to look like a complete to$$er if he is going to be the saviour of the world!

            Your picture of the longer-term future seems realistic. It will become increasingly difficult for TPTB to keep the technology chained and contained, as I’m sure they intend, when millions of Indians, Africans, Chinese, South Americans etc. seem to be using it without much restriction and no apparent harm. In any case the whole bankster/Bilderberger control structure is beginning to feel more loosely wrapped than for some time, and if the world’s financial structure implodes at some point as seems likely, things could change very rapidly.

    • Lu

      Interesting that just prior to this Rossi indicated he is under a NDA with regard to certification but here he is disclosing details.

      I would venture also that the certifier is not demanding that the refueling be done by an operator, but rather the method proposed by Rossi was deemed unsafe for consumers and that Rossi has decided to go the route of a operator service rather than designing the E-Cat to allow consumers to do the refueling. Economics may have factored into this decision as well as engineering concerns. Again, just my opinion.

  • Guru

    I am cooling here overoptimism. At seaside areas air humudity is around 97%.
    In Sahara areas humudity is around 5-15%.
    This fact greatly impact these miracle condensation technologies and when Acqua Science talks about water for 5200 people, they don’t talk about Sahara conditions. And this tech is very pricey – not for Somalia poor folks with income of 2 USD per capita per day.

  • http://www.american-reporter,com Joe Shea

    You make a very good point, Frank. But while we dream about widespread desalination, let’s remember that water by itself won’t make the deserts bloom. The other thing that is needed is rich soil, and that doesn’t happen overnight – but it does happen, over time. LENR technology can alter the balance of power – or at least the balance of powerlessness – by providing electricity, clean water and electricity for refrigeration and pumps, all of which would make an enormous difference in the economy of a poor Third World nation.

  • Bert Bigelow

    Two thoughts…
    1. Extracting water from the air will work in relatively high humidity areas. Not so well in dry areas like the southwestern US…where water is most needed.
    2. What would be the effect on the local environment if a large number of these units were operating? How would plants and animals (including humans) tolerate a lower than “normal” humidity level in the atmosphere?

    • Charles

      If we get enough of these things going we will all have sinus problems due to a super-dry local atmosphere.

    • daniel maris

      I think that ever since the ozone crisis, we have come to understand that we are going to have to manage this planet to some degree. With enough energy at your disposal, you could equally boil off some water vapour from the sea if that was felt to be necessary.

      At present I think mass irrigation is already having dramatic effects on our climate but that area is unstudied – but think about how much land around the globe is irrigated and how much water vapour is being produced as a result (vapour that wouldn’t be there if water was allowed to run down natural water courses rather than being forced into hot dry desert areas). We may therefore be rebalancing the climate by taking water directly from the atmosphere.

  • Kim

    The economy is going to boom at first. Then plateau.

    People will be falling all over themselves with
    new ways to proceed with free energy.

    The sky is the limit!

    Respect
    Kim

    • Barry

      Good paradigm Kim!

  • Ramsy

    Serenely Andrea Rossi received inspiration from God regarding to this new nuclear phenomena to solve the present world’s problem – Energy- Drinking water – Food shortage.
    God Bless you Mr.Rossi

    • Ramsy

      3/4 of our earth is sea water.

      • Charles

        3/4 of the earth’s surface is water. 0.023% of the earth’s mass is water.

  • Ramsy

    E-Cat sea water distillation station producing plating water serenely will solve the world’s food shortage problem.
    God bless ypu Mr.Rossi

    • Daniel M. Basso

      There is no food shortage in the world. There is the distribution problem that will not be solved while greedy people are in control.

  • Ramsy

    E-Cat sea water distillation station producing plating water serenely will solve the world’s food shortage problem.

  • Ramsy

    I think Andrea Rossi will be much more famous than Bell Gate of Microsoft.

    • Charles

      Hooray for Rossi, but the Nobel prize will go to Pons and Fleischmann and they will be more famous than Bell Gate.

      • Ramsy

        Not fair, Andrea Rossi brought the imagination to reality.
        Andrea Rossi serenely worth Nobel prize and more.

  • daniel maris

    I’ve mentioned the potential of water extraction from the atmosphere here a number of times. It certainly could be one of the beneficial effects of LENR, making that cost-effective (though my guess would be that you would need huge volume production for that as the hardware may be quite expensive).

    Re the cost per KwH I always think it’s safest to think in terms of 2 cents per KwH but it could be a lot cheaper depending on various factors.

    • http://Google Brian

      Don’t forget that water from the atmosphere is essentially distilled water, and would need further treatment (additives)to be truly potable. Try drinking de ionised water!!

      • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

        I think I read somewhere that certain types of volcanic ash deposits contain a near-perfect balance of soluble minerals for human health. Invest now!

  • Ramsy

    E-Cat Sea Water distillation station can produce drinking and planting water plus table salt at the same time.

    • Charles

      It will produce sea salt(which contains a lot of other minerals), which is not the same thing that we know as table salt (which has had most of the extraneous minerals extracted and has been processed for fineness).

      • Jorge

        The resulting salt can be used as salt to through in the streets on the winter, in order to melt the snow. Hum, thinking about it, places where they have this kind of winter have no water shortages.

  • Lu

    Nice Find!

    Fun Fact: It takes 174 cubic meters of air to produce 1 liter of water (at 1 atmosphere, 25C, 50% relative humidity).

    • daniel maris

      Yes, and how quickly you process that volume of air has surely got to be a product of energy use.

      • Lu

        Yes exactly. Actually I should have said that 174 cubic meters of air holds 1 liter of water. Based on the efficiency of the process and machine it may take much more air to get 1 liter.

        Also they say it costs 20c/gallon of water produced. The NPR spot also says it takes 1 gal of fuel to produce 5 gallons of water. These two costs seem to contradict each other.

        Still it’s an interesting technology that cheaper (not free by a long shot) new fuels like LENR provides might make economical.

  • Kim

    Oh Yea.

    Every time I sit a cold glass on the table and
    watch it sweat.

    I think, my god we could grow any where now!

    Respect
    Kim

    • http://deadstickarizona-zedshort.blogspot.com/ Zedshort

      What does “anywhere” taste like?

  • Barry

    Good article Frank. Never heard of a “Water Station”. Energy and fresh water to arid places will be a dream come true.

  • http://ecat.org Roc J

    A recent conceptual design by Canadian industrial design students Reymin Deleon, Marco Tortorici and Austin Sedlbauer, incorporate a portable water condenser in a bottle. An internal thermostat monitors air temperature and adjusts an internal polar polymer to create the needed conditions for condensation to occur inside the bottle. The only part missing is a LENR battery to run this and we say goodbye to paying for bottled water.

  • joe j

    The eCat will free us from the grid as well as the water company?
    Possibly the most wondrous machine ever devised.
    Appears that with free power most everything else is possible to acquire without getting it from a company. I wonder if this will lead to the collapse of all businesses and lead to the fall of civilization, perhaps the rise of the apes.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      Congrats joe j, you win prize for most idiotic post of the day.

    • Andrew Macleod

      Yes it is easy to look at the great things that will happen with free energy…. Some roads you travel down look nice at the start but before long your hitting pot hole left, right and center.

  • Daniel M. Basso

    I remember Rossi or Defkalion having said that electrical energy price would be around 1 or 2 cents per kWh. I wonder what the current estimate would be.

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

      By coincidence somewhere close to current grid prices I would guess, after taxes are added.

      • duecat

        Peter_ I think way too much is being made of taxation being the big threat to LENR. Most of the world employs a VAT tax as a major source of revenue. With this new technology there will be tremendous taxed cash flow and likely not a short lived one. Much like we have seen with computers and now I-phones, we will see older models of e-cat discarded or passed down as people leap to the newest and greatest, long before their lifetime use is reached. We are headed for toll collection in lieu of gas tax anyway due to the growing number of hybrids on the road. As far as the TPTB, they are on the ropes as the world financial crises they created is caving away. The savings to government in things from street sweeping to garbage collection to police car fuel to… like everything, will be enormous. I just don’t see the problem here if we can just get by big oil and all those employees involved in the fossil fuel oriented world.