Rossi on Domestic E-Cats (Home Depot Still Involved)

The topic of the domestic E-Cats has been a little on the back burner of late, since there has been quite a lot of focus on the high temperature E-Cats and the report that is being anticipated. Many times Rossi has been asked about when the domestic units will be available, and always he responds that he does not know the answer, since his timetable is dependent upon the certifiers giving them safety certifications.

Andrea Rossi discusses the domestic E-Cats at some length in a recent interview with the web site Free Energy Systems

The discussion touches on a few points regarding the domestic units. Once again, Rossi brings up the name of Home Depot as a distributor for the units in the USA. Previously, Rossi said that they had some preliminary discussions with Home Depot, now he goes a little further:

Our goal is to bring it to Home Depot in the United States. We already have contacts, and they are waiting for the certification to be done. But, we will sell it through the Home Depot chain.

He also explains that the units will need to be installed by approved contractors who will also provide the servicing of the units that will be required every six months. At one time, Rossi said that the customer themselves could replace the fuel cartridge, and return the old one for recycling. Now, it sounds like this would need to be done by the contractor. He also mentions that there will be seals on the reactor, and if the seal is broken, all guarantees are void. He says the seals are in place for consumer safety (nickel powder is toxic), but he acknowledges that reverse engineers will not be worried about safety and will go ahead and open up the reactors anyway.

Again in this interview Rossi says that electricity producing E-Cats are still in the future, and that he thinks safety certification for them will be much more difficult to obtain because of the high temperatures that would be required in order to generate electricity. But work on that front apparently will continue.

In addition to the interview above, Rossi mentions on his JONP site that there is now going to be an E-Cat factory built in Ferrara, Italy — a town 33 miles north east of Bologna, where Rossi has a home. He had said in Maythat he was scrapping his ideas for building a plant in Italy based on some comments from a government official, but apparently he has now changed plans.

  • Robert Mockan

    If Home Depot is planning to sell E-Cats it better start soon.
    The delay in developing and applying LENR technology, is killing hope.
    This is what is happening in the USA now. And it is going to get MUCH worse.
    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/these-12-hellholes-are-examples-of-what-the-rest-of-america-will-look-like-soon

    People without jobs or money will not be buying E-Cats. In fact, soon you may not be able to even GIVE E-Cats away, because people will be living in their cars, or in tents, if they are lucky. And the others? They will be living in the streets.

  • dfnj

    I would like to see Rossi publish data and incontrovertible third party validation. If the E-Cat was demonstrated without any doubts to its validity, then something very nice would happen. The oil speculators on Wall Street would drive the price of oil down and the little people of the world would get some relief from the overlords.

    The price of oil is destroying the world. Any relief would be greatly appreciated.

  • Kevin Kingery

    I have said it before, ammonia has a much lower boiling point than water! It’s been done.I’ve got my idea’s plan all ready.Kev

    • dfnj

      Power generation from the liter box.

  • tech1

    Now I am excited! You are saying that a non customer is in possession of a Rossi Ecat?
    And they ARE being sold at home depot?
    WOW!
    I never thought this day would come!
    Man thats cool!

    • dfnj

      As far as I can tell the day you referring to has not come.

  • dfnj

    I think big business is like big government. It is completely incompetent. I very much doubt Rossi and E-cat is on anyone’s radar. If oil demand dropped 20% because people were using E-cats then I would agree that big oil would come in and shut it all down.

    As far as I can tell, everything published about Rossi and E-cat is fluff. So far there just is no convincing evidence that any LENR device is close to being commercialized (in my humble opinion). I will let the data take me where it leads but so far everything around Rossi is nothing but empty words and promises. If I remember correctly from last year I should be able to buy an E-cat from Home Depot this August. Another empty promise goes by.

  • Sheikh Mubarak

    Speed up the e-cat production please – I wish to install e-cat unit in my basement before the World War-3 starts to have a convenient shelter.

    • Sheikh Mubarak

      The year 2012 is very critical !!

      • dfnj

        You sound like a politician. Every election is the most important election in the last 30 years.

  • Red_Baron

    Electric energy production by heat is a technology that is already available. There are many examples. have a market mechanisms in energy cogeneration for houses, one example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9d929JhdHM.
    There are also vehicles that have been developed with technology stirling, there is a car with a Stirling engine developed by NASA in 1970: http://green.autoblog.com/photos/nasa-amc-stirling-prototypes/.
    The inventor Dean Camen created a prototype of a vehicle that is driven by the generation of electricity supplied by a Stirling engine.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-MT2-aYb3I

    The technology for electric power generation for homes and vehicles using heat already exists and is available.

    If the device of Mr. Rossi hit the market and do what is promising to generate large amounts of heat will easily transform into electric power. for individual homes or vehicles, the technology already exists and is ready.

    Greetings to all.

    • dfnj

      According to PESN, all the worlds problems will be solve on 9/21/2012.

      “On 21 September 2012 the Keshe Foundation will release the first phase of its space technology and the gravitational and magnetic (Magravs) systems it has developed, to all scientists around the world simultaneously, for production and duplication.

      From that point on, international borders will cease to have any real significance. This is because, once the first flight system has been built and put into operation for the public, the time of travel for example from Tehran to New York will be about 10 minutes maximum.

      The new airborne systems will enable every individual to make the same length of journey in the same time and at hardly any cost from any point on this planet. The craft will not be detectable with present radar technology.

      The energy crisis will be resolved at a stroke, and once the technology is put into practice the powers that control energy supplies and through them the present financial structures will find their hands empty.

      The world water shortage will be addressed and resolved by presenting this technology to the public soon after the release of our energy and space technology.”

      http://pesn.com/2012/07/13/9602134_Keshe_foundation_to_release_Magravs_technology_September_6_for_world_peace/

    • GreenWin

      Excellent links Red Baron. Yes, the WhisperGen Stirling engine is a good candidate for matching to the domestic e-cat. In fact were some clever entrepreneur to offer an aftermarket WhisperGen kit powered by e-cat – they would have a good business.

      Siemens AG also has a complete Stirling powered CHP unit ready to tie-in to the local grid – to sell excess electric energy back to utility.

  • dragon

    There are many strategies that I read in what Rossi said about certification and maintenance of E-cat. One is that he cannot release the product without giving the oligarchs the power over it, taking this power from the consumer, the best example being the recharging process. Before he said consumer can recharge for 10$ with a very safe and easy to replace capsule. Now, the oligarchs will send their 200$ “specialist” every 6 months.
    HOWEVER, he implied that some consumers SHOULD open it in a safe way and extract the info about how it works and eventually change it enough (maybe the Chinese will be doing that) so you can build E-CATs that Don’t need “specialists”.

    In other words… let the oligarchs release the product under their rules, but later people will free this technology from the legal and technological leash of the oligarchs.

    Also, for some reason, he does not see ANYMORE a future for E-CAT (II) home electricity generation. Obviously he is lying or double speaking here. What he is saying is that he cannot beat at this time the oligarchs, but people should take charge later, after LENR revolutions starts. So chose your battles.

    • dragon

      By the way, as I suspected, Certification is an oligarch leash and nothing more. in the past hundred years it has transformed from a normal market tool to a control tool on new technologies. Certification should be made in the open so that everybody will see that THERE IS NO REASON on stopping a product or another.
      THAT is why when Rossi got a question on JONP regarding on why it takes so long to certificate his products and if he thinks that they are dragging their legs for political reasons, Rossi replied that he TRUST the certificators.
      HE, ROSSI , trust the oligarch’s certificators? NO, but he knows that he is living in a Tyrannical world. So he is making a smart decision for these times.

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        Certification is an oligarch leash and nothing more.

        Same with zoning codes, building codes, insurance codes, FDA, Licensing codes, drug laws, DEA, EPA, etc. All are purportedly for the safety and benefit of the consumers but are really for the benefit of special interests and the bureaucracy, costing the consumers dearly.

        • daniel maris

          Don’t think you’d say that if you’d had a loved one die from CO poisoning from a heater.

          • http://extropolitca.blogspot.com Mirco

            The emotional argument is irrational.
            People invented certification for specific reasons (like make the producers agree with the buyer about the quality of the product – E.G. US Navy and shipbuilders, US Air Force and airplane builders).
            Certification must be something between private parties, not something imposed by governments guns. When the imposition is done by a third party, by force, without being requested by both the interested parties, you must be sure the third party is doing its interest first and foremost.

            • Lu

              ” you must be sure the third party is doing its interest first and foremost.”

              Yes, local municipalities frequently require testing by nationally recognized organizations for reasons like SAFETY (so your house doesn’t burn down and the fireman you are paying to put it out don’t die in the process) or CONSUMER PROTECTION (so citizens don’t get ripped off because they don’t have the ability to understand the sophisticated technology, knowledge, and engineering necessary to do this).

              Iggy Darlymple was being sarcastic in his remarks.

              I am amazed at the attitudes people on this board have regarding science, the military, the financial system, and the government.

            • dragon

              “I am amazed at the attitudes people on this board have regarding science, the military, the financial system, and the government.”

              Don’t be “ämazed”, unless you are part of the repressive system.

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

      I missed that. If that’s the case then presumably Rossi has been informed that this is (part of) the ‘price’ for certification and freedom from ‘official’ molestation. Home power gen was never going to be permitted to develop. As you say, Rossi is choosing his battles – probably the same goes for DGT, Brillouin et al.

      However that is a relatively modest additional ‘running cost’ and I suspect that there will be more – probably a lot more (tax). There is also the fact that permitting the obsolete ‘Mk 1’ technology only, will ensure that plenty of grid electrical power will continue to be consumed even though the latest cores could probably do away with most of this.

      It seems that TPTB are getting their ducks in a row. Who else has been compromised so far I wonder?

      • http://extropolitca.blogspot.com Mirco

        The good part about LENR and the e-cat is the technology. Just as the cat is out of the bag, there will be no way to put it back. As the first units will be reverse engineered (for economic reasons, for fun, whatever) it will be impossible to prevent the dissemination of the data needed to replicate them. Maybe it will be a crude replica, first, but it will evolve in much better competing units later. If TPTB suppress the technology in the WEST, it will be redeveloped somewhere else, like China, Russia, Africa, South America.

  • Hubert Kroll

    No six monthly servicing please. Much better a simple cartridge system that can be replaced by anyone. If you can’t provide that, then I’m sure your competitors will.

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

      Replacement cartridge; $20, man with van; $150 plus cup of tea/coffee. However, I think AR is suggesting a user-replaceable cartridge.

    • AB

      I’m sure a user-replacable cartridge will come. It makes sense from an economical point of view.

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        User-replaceble cartridge will come with time. It took 60 years for selfservice gas pumps and a couple of states still don’t permit it.

    • Martin

      If I have to pay someone to change the cartridge twice a year it seems highly unlikely it will be worth putting an ecat in in the UK, service charges will just kill it. We’ll see how things progress

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        After the eCat is on the market for a year or so, I predict that you’ll be able to buy cartridges online (black market), along with directions on how to install it.

  • Alexvs

    As always the arguments about E-Cat’s benefits and consequences following its world wide implementation are right and very well de/induced. It is a pity that the silogism fails at the first sentence.
    1st sentence says “Mr. Rossi’s E-Cat is true”.

    • Frank

      Right!
      “Don’t count the chickens (e-cats) before they hatch”
      (some will never hatch)

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        Still no regulation against “counting chicks before they hatch”.

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

      That is implicit in all discussions here. No-one is unaware that there is a vanishingly small chance that Rossi and various other parties are engaged in a range of incredibly complex and expensive multi-year ‘scams’, or perhaps are all clinically insane. However the evidence seems to say otherwise, and that is the basis of our conjectures.

      Perhaps someone should write out a list of such caveats and post them here somewhere, so that people such as yourself do not periodically feel it necessary to state the blindingly obvious.

      • daniel maris

        Yeah! That made me laugh!! 🙂

        I think if DARPA, the EU, NASA, NI and SRI, amongst others, think LENR is real or at the very least worthy of millions of dollars of investment, then I think we are entitled to discuss the implications of LENR without being addressed as though we are deluded fantasists.

  • andreiko

    De E-CAT kan in eenvoudige woningen volkomen autonoom functioneren als verwarmings eenheid, zoals de vroegere kachel maar dan(zonder afvoer en met accu). Op deze manier krijgt men een maximum rendement van de vrijgekomen calorieen.

    Het voorgaande kan gelden voor allerlei toepassingen waar calorieen nodig zijn.Juist de autonome mogelijkheden van de E_CAT zijn zo fantastisch!

    Denk ook aan de besparingen op leidingwerk en veiligheids maatregelen, koolmonoxydevergiftiging door verwarming , is uitgesloten, etcetera….

    Laten we snelheid maken in de “ontwikkeling” van (de E_CAT.LENR)

  • john29302

    cmon man get real, the ecat would be no problem as a radiator and fan. they are called water to air exchangers and they sell yhem on fleabay. 99 bucks and pex tubing and viola. why would a stupe monger go thru the trouble of what to do with it? lets see it first. this is assinine.

  • PersonFromPorlock

    He had said in May ago that he was scrapping his ideas for building a plant in Italy based on some comments from a government officials, but apparently he has now changed plans.

    Or just forgot what he said last time.

    • Frank

      “Rossi mentions on his JONP site that there is now going to be an E-Cat factory built in Ferrara, Italy”

      @admin: Are you sure about that? Where on JONP did you find this comment?

      • Don Witcher

        Apparently something happened recently in Italy that encouraged Rossi to be more positive about ecat acceptance there. Here is the JONP link. http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360&cpage=24#comment-276433

        • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

          Possibly the same compromise ‘deal’ that Dragon refers to above. If this was okayed by USG, our Europuppet politicians will trot along behind as always. EDF’s stooge Cameron will be the last to notice if the wind has changed, also as always.

  • D. Glazebrook

    With a little help from wikipedia:

    “Home Depot is the largest home improvement retailer in the United States
    with over 3000 locations and around US$ 68 Billion revenue (2011).” (1)

    Sounds good, but much more interesting is the biography of the actual
    HOME-DEPOT CEO, Frank Blake:

    “From 1991–1995 he was the general counsel for General Electric”

    “As GE Power Systems head of business development, he played a key role in expanding that business into new technology and global marketplaces.”

    “Blake then served as Deputy Secretary for the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE)… and managed DOE’s annual $19 billion budget”

    “As of April 2004, Blake was elected to serve on the board of directors for Southern Company, a premier super-regional energy company based in Atlanta, Georgia.”

    “He was a longtime protege of Robert Nardelli.”
    “Nardelli had risen to become one of the top four executives at General Electric” (3)

    Source:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Blake (1)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Home_Depot
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Nardelli (3)

    • GreenWin

      Thanks for digging this up. The pieces start to fall into place. With 3,000 storefronts Home Depot becomes the ideal retailer for a new home water heater technology. Forget it’s “cold fusion” – it could be a robotic hamster. If it’s cheap enough and only costs $250/year to operate – they’ll sell 50M units in the US alone.

  • Sheikh Mubarak

    If the Italian man invented “e-cat” ,I can invent “e-dog” – but give me enough time.

  • joe j

    I never knew a star trek energy utopia was only a year away.
    Maybe they can build an ecat the size of the empire state building to power a space elevator and with an ecat powering ion thrusters the stars are ours.
    All because of Rossi.

    • Andrew Macleod

      Who knows…… The energy surpluses gained using cold fusion could lead the world into a new era of innovation. It will effect almost every aspect of life one way or another.

      • http://www.american-reporter,com Joe Shea

        I think the future of the E-Cat and the Hyperion and the hydrino reactor is one of pushing the envelope over the coming century to where it can produce any amount of energy desired. That is the way of technology from cell phones to cars.

    • Hampus

      The biggest obstacle with a sparse elevator is not energy but the strength of the line, it need to be super strong but also super light. Once that is solved no energy is needed almost. Elevators are very energy efficient.

  • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

    For some reason I cannot reply to Lu’s comment above.

    However, Lu, I think you are more in luck with the e-cat than you think you are. In floor heating normally involves pumping very hot water through pipes in your floor. It, therefore, would be particularly compatible with the e-cat. The “gas” system with your in floor heater would normally be seen as a gas boiler, directly replaceable by the e-cat.

    Your heat pump system, on the other hand, is likely to be harder to replace. There again, however, don’t give up too quick. When the e-cat becomes available, its worth talking to an expert on your particular system to see what could be done.

    • Lu

      Thanks Bruce but I have a very old centralized gas floor heater–no thermostat either! The heater burns the gas and the heat from the combustion comes up from the floor. No help from the E-Cat here! However if I ever to upgrade I would put in a boiler with some water tube floor heating in which case the E-Cat would help here.

      Now the water heater is gas so I could conceivably put an E-Cat before (or after as Rossi states) the heater but my water heating is fairly low and I would be using electricity to do the heating with the E-Cat which would probably not pay off for quite a while, if at all.

      • http://neotreksoftware.com Allan Shura

        All that is needed is heat and nearly any conventional system
        should be easily adaptable so that the distribution metheod should not require replacment.

        Unless you live somewhere with 1 cent a gallon heating oil
        the e-cat will save you money and help the environment.

        • Lu

          Allan,

          I won’t dispute the environmental issues but even that is not cut and dry since the E-Cat runs on electricity and that is typically generated by coal or nuclear.

          Cost benefits are not a slam dunk either for the E-Cat running at a COP of 6. Because the E-Cat uses electricity (typically most expensive) and some heating is provided by say Natural Gas (much cheaper), the E-Cat doesn’t give much of an cost advantage and given the now $1000 cost of the E-Cat and yearly servicing costs it will take a very long time to pay back this cost, if at all. Typically many consumers won’t switch if this number is over 3 years. Actual numbers depend on your usage and cost of energy in your area.

          Also it now looks like users are not going to be replacing the fuel cartridge for the E-Cat themselves based on what Rossi is saying. The cost of someone coming out and doing the replacement will probably far exceed the cost of the cartridge. We will have to wait for details.

          It’s too early to really make a definitive statement about how cost effetive the E-Cat will be one way or another.

          • Tom Andersen

            If the COP is 6 it will be cheaper than nat gas basically everywhere, and in new installs would be a no brainer.

            In places with no Nat Gas lines, propane is usually about 3x what natural gas costs, and so it will fly off the shelves. Then there is water heating, and the fact that costs will likely not rise to service it as much as gas could go up.

    • http://www.american-reporter,com Joe Shea

      I just wonder what the capacity (volume) of water could be in a device that measures 12″ x 12″ x 6″? It would have to heat the water very quickly, which so far has not been the E-Cat’s strong suit.

  • Lu

    Rossi says,

    “We have just to connect and bypass the output of the water from the existing boiler or heater to the inlet of the E-Cat. And, the outlet of the E-Cat goes to a circuit. ”

    It seems to be it should be the other way around, i.e., output from the E-Cat should be the input to the existing boiler or heater? If I’m wrong please explain it to me. TIA.

    By the way, this system which relies on water for heat won’t work for me as I have a floor heater (gas) in one home and a heat pump/electric furnace for the other. I think many people who have pre-ordered an E-Cat will find that it won’t work for them.

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

      I agree – putting an e-cat after a gas boiler makes no sense at all. Because of its slow response time and limited output, the e-cat is only suitable for base load – a gas boiler’s thermostat would then ‘decide’ whether to turn on the gas burner when required (e.g. when hot water is wanted, or an external door is opened during cold weather).

      If a gas boiler heats water upstream of the e-cat then the water flow will be unable to extract further heat from the e-cat. To some extent this factor would also be in play the other way around (e-cat before boiler) because pre-heating the water through an e-cat would significantly reduce the efficiency of a gas boiler, particularly a modern condensing type, which relies on a cold return (input) temperature to extract heat from the gas exhaust.

      Given these considerations, and the general limitations of the proposed ‘home e-cat’, it might be better used to heat a large insulated tank of water (thermal store) if space is available for one. This would potentially level out demand fluctuations so that the e-cat could operate continuously below maximum demand level. A gas boiler could also feed into the thermal store to meet peak demand periods. Some kind of heat dumping arrangements would be necessary in warmer weather, especially if there is no thermal buffering in the system.

      For many areas where gas is relatively cheap and electricity is very expensive (most of Europe) the economics of an e-cat to the specs suggested are actually fairly marginal unless you live in a particularly cold area. Maybe that’s why Rossi appears to think that such a device will meet with only modest opposition. My guess is that this will prove not to be the case.

      • Omega Z

        Peter

        I stated quite some time ago that the E-cat would be very cost effective for some, Not so much for others. Even negative in some cases.

        Even so, Others will benefit from the E-cat Indirectly. Those who Gain by switching to the E-cat will effect the costs of those who can’t. Even if only by pennies, cheaper is cheaper.

        Also, If e-cats come to market, we know future advances will follow.
        No doubt that LENR technology will be used in Shipping & just eliminating the fuel used for that purpose would be the Equivalent of removing 300 million vehicles from the roads.

        • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

          Omega – yes, all agreed, CF technology can only benefit us all massively in time. CF or something like it is probably essential if anything resembling the present world order is to continue. It just crossed my mind to wonder whether the ‘Mk1’ e-cat has been deliberately designed to be inefficient so that it appears relatively non-disruptive initially, in order to reduce the potential backlash from the fossil energy and nuclear industries and their political proxies.

          I am more than slightly puzzled that Rossi does not seem to be clear on how a device that is supposedly finalised in design would be incorporated into an existing conventional CH/HW plumbing system. I’ve designed and installed several home CH systems using various mixtures of gas, solid fuel, solar, heat pumps etc. and know for sure that the potential problems I mentioned earlier are real. Rossi should know that too.

      • Lu

        Hi Peter,

        You seem to know more about this than I (which isn’t much). Could the E-Cat be part of, or become, the recirculating system for the heating system? I know on demand (tankless) water heaters have such a thing. Remember the E-Cat is always on because it takes up to 1 hour to turn it on and 1 hour to turn it off.

        I hope Rossi produces a theory of operation about this at some point but that probably won’t come out until the E-Cat is about ready for sale.

        • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

          Lu – The characteristics we are assuming – slow (and expensive) start-up, unresponsiveness etc – are rather difficult to mesh with any demand-controlled system that doesn’t include buffering of some kind – a thermal store. This could be a large insulated tank or substantial under-floor systems that would pump heat into concrete. The ‘neutralizer’ I mentioned in another post is another possible approach, but either way you eventually run out of capacity to store heat in warmer weather and have to either dump it (expensive in terms of electricity), or turn the reactor off for a time (slow and expensive to re-start). The bottom line is that it would probably only be worth running the home e-cat as a ‘booster’ during the coldest weather, no matter how it is plumbed in, and for the rest of the year it just sits there doing nothing.

          Rossi is obviously aware of these limitations, and has decided that it is more important to get the technology ‘out there’ than it is to have a fully viable product. When people do their sums I suspect that sales will actually be quite sluggish, and CF will be perceived as just another option to be considered, rather than as the key to a new world that it could be. That of course will be exactly as TPTB would want it.

          The HT cores would be the solution, but it appears that this avenue may already be being blocked by established interests. Not only would the later HT technology massively reduce the need for grid power, but the units could almost certainly be adapted to produce electricity.

          Inevitably, it looks like this will be prevented in the case of home use, although I’m sure that the energy multinationals will be using the technology to generate grid power quite soon. In short, the game is being rigged in front of our eyes, but 99% of the population will never become aware of what is being stolen from them.

          • Lu

            I believe Rossi has stated that the E-Cat will run continuously and that demand responsiveness will be provided by some kind of diversion method. The heat will be vented elsewhere if not needed. Of course the devil is in the details and that is what I am curious about.

            I think the E-Cat has a better future for replacement systems than for adapting existing systems but we will see. I agree that sales may indeed be *initially* somewhat sluggish for all kinds of reasons among them being that people who’ve ordered them will be surprised at the restrictions.

            I don’t buy that controlling interests will determine the fate of the E-Cat (any more than the military etc.) While there may be established interests who want to protect their market, it is sill I believe a fundamentally free market and so consumers will ultimately determine matters, which I think Rossi is attempting to utilize.

            Now it is true that utilities and home mechanical systems are somewhat of a different story because they have to work 100% of the time and 100% of the time in a safe manner when used properly and so there are additional restrictions and delays in technology adoption, as it should be IMO.

            • mcloki

              There will be a huge market of people interested in promoting the e-cat. Suppression will be very difficult in the age of the internet. There are two factors against it. IF the States “clamps: down on the e-cat and Canada doesn’t, the economic and manufacturing benefit to doing business in Canada would be too great to ignore. Change Canada to Chine and you see the pressure.

              Simply put there’s too much money to be made by a retooling of the energy infrastructure of North America. About 40-years worth new construction and retrofitting.

    • K

      Lu,
      “It seems to be it should be the other way around, i.e., output from the E-Cat should be the input to the existing boiler or heater? If I’m wrong please explain it to me. TIA.”

      I think not. Most heaters are nothing more than a heat-exchanger with tubes and plates. When the fire is ON, then the heat goes from the flames into the circulating water. But when the fire is OFF, and there is circulation of water, the exchanger becomes a loss of the most precious heat at the highest temperature, right to the chimney. (Sorry for my English)

      Surplus: E-cat (as all electric heaters) has no efficiency loss at high T. Every combustion heater looses more energy at higher T.

      • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

        That might be a problem with very old, ‘conventional flue’ gas boilers, but these are rare in most areas now. Most modern gas boilers are of the ‘condensing’ type which have a very small, usually fan-driven exhaust. With the fan off, very little heat will leave the boiler to the exterior. Even where there is no fan, I think that most of the ‘lost’ heat would tend to remain in the combustion chamber or leak through the casing, as the exhaust pipe is normally small and horizontal.

        As I said earlier, if you feed already hot water to the e-cat, there will be little or no dT so little additional heat could be transferred to the water flow unless the e-cat was running at over 100C (in which case the water would come out too hot, and would boil whenever the circulation pump stopped, or several radiator thermostat valves closed at the same time).

        It would actually be quite a complex task to integrate a heater with the properties ‘leaked’ so far, into most existing heating systems. Probably adding a circulation-balancing device called a ‘neutralizer’ would be the simplest route. These comprise a small tank with multiple flow/return connections, that separates the flows through various heat sources but collects the heat at a common point (the tank), where a thermostat controls the input from the gas or oil heater. This allows the mixing of pumped and natural circulation systems (the e-cat circuit could be either). I use one to allow gas, solar and solid fuel (coke or wood) inputs to co-exist in my heating system. It works very well considering how simple the idea is (no moving parts).

  • Ramsy

    Water distillation stations are required for nations on sea and have little or no drinking water – e-cat is a great solution.

    • Ramsy

      I should contact Mr.Rossi regarding Water distillation production plant.

  • Ramsy

    I wonder if the sea salted water can be used with e-cat instead of normal drinking water.

    • Ramsy

      If so, then could covert the sea water into drinking water via e-cat – in addition to heating source and power generation.

    • daniel maris

      Yes, energy is one of the limiting factors in desalination (although you also have to look at environmental effects).

      I think another area to look at is direct extraction from the atmosphere (mother nature having already done the desalination for you). This would be a much more useful technology especially for poor people living in dry climates away from coasts. The technology is already there. Low energy costs might make it cost effective overall.

  • Ramsy

    I believe the new version of e-cat will include electric generation in addition to as a heat source.

  • http://neotreksoftware.com Allan Shura

    For safety certification the main thing is the level of danger with the intended usage. There is not a fission element reaction though there is with smoke detectors. Small machiery like roto-tillers have many inherent safety hazards and so have warning stickers.

  • http://neotreksoftware.com Allan Shura

    The certification is definitely taking a long time but in the spring he reported it was going very well.

    I wonder if it really takes so long for a new tea kettle, griddle iron
    home gas furnace, microwave, smoke detector or car to be approved.

    • Andrew Macleod

      It’s non like he is putting a new spin on an old product…. There is no safety benchmark for the ecat. Yes it produces heat like a kettle or an iron however it is a nuclear reaction taking place.

      • Lu

        In the interview Rossi mentions the word reactor a number of times when describing the E-Cat. I think he would be better off using another word 🙂

      • http://neotreksoftware.com Allan Shura

        “He says the seals are in place for consumer safety (nickel powder is toxic),”

        Nickel powder:

        Some exerpts from the Material Safety Data Sheet for
        workplace handling:

        One case of probable death following repiratory inhalation.

        Repeated dose toxicity:

        a) Oral: No information available

        b) Inhalation: Animal studies (rats) show that repeated dose inhalation of nickel damages the lung. Chronic inflammation, lung fibrosis and accumulation of nickel particles were observed.

        c) Dermal: Direct and prolonged skin contact with nickel metal may cause nickel sensitization resulting in nickel allergic contact dermatitis /skin rash.

        Ecotoxic effects: Non toxic

        Transport Information

        International Maritime Dangerous Goods Code

        Not Regulated.

        International Civil Aviation Organization Technical Instructions for the Carriage of Dangerous Goods by Air

        Not Regulated.

        U.S. Dept. of Transportation Regulations

        Apply to nickel powders if they are less than 100 micron in particle size and if they are packaged in quantities greater than 100 pounds.

        Canadian Transportation of Dangerous Goods Act

        Not Regulated.

        European Agreement Concerning the International Carriage of Dangerous Goods by Road

        Not Regulated

        • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

          “seals are in place for consumer safety”

          As a useful side effect, it stops the power pouring out onto the floor as well.

        • AB

          Nickel is a known carcinogenic and poison. It only makes sense to seal the reactor core containing nickel powder for household e-cats.

  • Brad Arnold

    Rossi would be wise to focus on replacing commercial boilers in coal/natural gas fired power plants. The existing infrastructure could be preserved, and the transition could be much less disruptive.

    • RichyRoo

      Yep, plus the power companies would require less certification from the government, not being ‘dumb’ consumers like us! And it would turn a potential enemy into an ally if the big power companies see that they can profit from LENR rather than being destroyed by it.

      • Warthog

        I believe that this is precisely where he is headed with his 1 MW and larger units.

        • http://neotreksoftware.com Allan Shura

          If the consumers are as dumb as those in the past who stood by and let the oligarchs take over the world will go the way of the do-do bird.

    • AstralProjectee

      I would be afraid the companies would charge to much for them to make your electricity from the e-cats.

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

      It seems very likely that that is how things will go: the more efficient CF technologies under exclusive commercial and military control, while the oiks maybe get to play with a few low yield variants of the original e-cat.