US Military Collaborating With Italian Energy Dept. on Excess Heat Production

The US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is reporting in its Fiscal Year 2013 Budget Submission that it has been carrying out research with the Italian Department of Energy. The full document in PDF format can be read here.

On page 51 of the document there is a 2011-2013 budget line of $32 million for, “Fundamentals of Nanoscale and Emergent Effects and Engineered Devices”. One of the accomplishments in this section for 2011 is:

Continued quantification of material parameters that control degree of increase in excess heat generation and life expectancy of power cells in collaboration with the Italian Department of Energy. Established ability to extend active heat generation time from minutes to 2.5 days for pressure-activated power cells.

On the next page, one of the listed goals for 2012 is:

Establish scalability and scaling parameters in excess heat generation processes in collaboration with the Italian Department of Energy.

Excess heat generation is what LENR/Cold Fusion research has always been about, and it’s interesting to see that there is activity and seeming progress in this field within DARPA. Also very interesting here is the involvement of the Italian Department of Energy. We have seen the fingerprints of Italians on many LENR projects, and now they are helping a US military research team. There has to be a lot of interest within DARPA about the activities of Rossi, Piantelli, Defkalion and the many others involved in this field — I’m sure lots of interesting conversations going on between the Italians and Americans!

Thanks to Next Big Future for unearthing this interesting detail!

  • Geological aspects of cold fusion.
    Tarasenko G.V., Demicheva E.A., KGUTI named after Sh. Yessenov. Kazakhstan. Aktau.
    [email protected]

    Geological substantiation of cold fusion processes in the Earth crust related to the concretion model of Planet Earth. The Earth is generator and the core is the rotor consisting of rotating gas and dust cloud (fireball) starting the moment of building up (Big Bang) of the Earth. Rotation of geospheres from the core (20-40 m/sec) up to the surface crust (2-16 cm./year) brings to friction and generator of static electricity accumulates within lithosphere and electrical condensation. Electrical charges’ over satiation lead to the electrical discharges in the crust. Because of electrical discharges the plasma in a view of ball or line lighting is generated and ball and cylinder concretions in the crust are generated from them. The plasma is charged (maintained) in the mantle and core because of subduction of continental crust which consisted from rocks and organic sediments. The formation of mineral resources in the crust related to the electrical discharges which brought to the cold fusion processes within the earth crust (CF). This can be visually seen by extracting the oil from the soda ash dissolution. Because of electrical charge in this solution the oil, coal and diamond parts were generated in this solution. The study of electrical charges in the solutions may provide us with a lot of useful information on transformation of one chemical element into the others. But Cold fusion processes as it is understandable by physicists cannot exist without gravitation and magnetic fields as it is in the earth conditions. Cold fusion cannot make energy as thermonuclear fusion. Formation of volcano and earthquakes related to these electrical charges in the crust. Cold fusion processes are noticed in them.
    In order to create natural cold fusion process the model of Planet Earth shall be made. These kind of models were made by some surveyors, but they created the rotation of geospheres by mechanical drive. Our model will be created at the basis of fireball rotating. This fireball will be created in the special reactor which is placed into the stator of electric motor instead of rotor. High-voltage spark-gaps and solution similar to the mineral composition of formational conditions and fireball concretion are placed in the reactor. Tension is appears in the stator in time of electric discharges. At present time the constant rotation in the reactor is not reached because there are not all conditions in place for making this experiment, but all geological features are available.

  • Rossi is gonna be killed, period!
    You Sheeps dont even imagine what this is all about.
    Its not about creating jobs you lowlevel thinkers, tech like lenr already exist for decades, it is about TIME, your TIME!
    Sheeps would gain to much TIME from LENR, maybe leave the Rat- Wheel and gain to much Knowledge.
    No Struggle for Energy anymore….you must be very naive to think that Rothschild & Co would allow Rossi to do so.

    Andrea Rossi has a HUGE lack of Informations about History, Establishment and the Powers behind it!
    Look what is happening worldwide now, just open your Eyes!
    It is even enough to look on Italy itself, it is officially ruled by a Bilderberger Mario Monti.
    We are facing WorldWar III real soon, it will begin by the end of 2012!

    Someone should tell this Andrea Rossi for the Sake of Humanity

    PS: Patent Agency is fully infiltrated, Andrea Rossi is wasting his time – Trust in People

  • DeMac

    I see a lot of comments about Mr. Rossi’s work: however, I don’t see anywhere in the article where it states that DARPA is working with him. Have I missed something?

  • Please ignore – the comment I posted was in response to dfnj’s comment, now deleted.

    Admin – please remove as now redundant!

    • dfnj

      I just don’t see the DARPA budget = Rossi connection from the quoted article.

  • georgehants

    Wonderful what science can do when not held back by Dogma.
    This research could help look into the workings of Cold Fusion.

    Getting amped
    Caltech researchers develop instrument for exploring the cosmos and the quantum world
    The new amplifier consists of a superconducting material (niobium titanium nitride) coiled into a double spiral 16 millimeters in diameter.
    PASADENA, Calif.—Researchers at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) and NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) have developed a new type of amplifier for boosting electrical signals. The device can be used for everything from studying stars, galaxies, and black holes to exploring the quantum world and developing quantum computers.
    “This amplifier will redefine what it is possible to measure,” says Jonas Zmuidzinas, Caltech’s Merle Kingsley Professor of Physics, the chief technologist at JPL, and a member of the research team.
    Because the instrument is so sensitive and introduces minimal noise, it can also be used to explore the quantum world. For example, Keith Schwab, a professor of applied physics at Caltech, is planning to use the amplifier to measure the behavior of tiny mechanical devices that operate at the boundary between classical physics and the strange world of quantum mechanics. The amplifier could also be used in the development quantum computers—which are still beyond our technological reach but should be able to solve some of science’s hardest problems much more quickly than any regular computer.
    “It’s hard to predict what all of the applications are going to end up being, but a nearly perfect amplifier is a pretty handy thing to have in your bag of tricks,” Zmuidzinas says. And by creating their new device, the researchers have shown that it is indeed possible to build an essentially perfect amplifier. “Our instrument still has a few rough edges that need polishing before we would call it perfect, but we think our results so far show that we can get there.
    Full story –

  • Italo R.

    >Ivan Mohorovicic on July 13, 2012 at 6:43 pm
    …Yes, we are building a manufacturing line also in Italy (Ferrara).
    Warm Regards A.R.

    This really is a GREAT news for Italy!!
    We all italians must be very gratefully to dr. Rossi, considering too all the very bad treatments he has received in the past in our country…

    • georgehants

      Italo R., I think you may find that Rossi’s great, great, great, grandfather on his mothers side was a Brit, so much of the credit for the E-CAT must go to us.

      • Not to mention the fact that hydrogen was discovered in the 1760’s by **British** scientist Henry Cavendish. Without this British contribution, Rossi would have nothing!

        • Iggy Dalrymple

          My paternal step-grandfather invented the plastic traffic cone.

          • GreenWin

            I would remind you all that Ing Rossi has benefited from funding and research provided by the U.S. Navy and one of it’s most famous seamen: Popeye the Sailor!

      • Robert Mockan

        If we go back a few million years Rossi had an ancestor that was a chimpanzee, so it must receive much of the credit.

    • Luca Salvarani

      Dear Italo

      I absolutely can’t agree with you.
      I think (better say I’m sure) that e-cat PRODUCTION will generate VERY VERY FEW JOBS AT BEST, here or wherever it takes place, because it’s likely to be fully automated… This holds for nearly all hardware, and even services, productions.! If you consider the number of jobs displaced by this technology (directly and expecially inderectly they are an enormous amount) and the number of jobs that it would create I think that the NET is negative, more likely VERY NEGATIVE! Obviously I’m sure e-cat could significantly improve our life quality and the economy (in real, not monetary terms) but absolutely not create jobs at all…

      I would underline this to our american friends who are (understandably) obsessed by jobs creation! The simple truth is that our economy (right now, I’m speaking of current technologies not futuristic sci-fi ones) can produce what it currently does with a fraction of the current work-force and new technologies will only worse that proportion. For example current e-learning could instantly displace millions of public teachers… if you are italian you are surely aware of the great number of unusefull jobs, expecially in the public administration but also in many private companies, that could easily be displaced by current information technology… So don’t expect new jobs from e-cat!

      PS I live in Mantova, very close to Ferrara…. so I’m speaking against my interest.

      • TPBurnett

        Even if the LENR industry produced no jobs (not likely), low cost energy could and would stimulate every other industry and produce countless new jobs. When you think about it, humans don’t do work as much as manage energy doing work. I.E. a bus driver, a welder, a lathe operator. In most cases, energy (or lack of it) is the only thing standing between us and the things we need or want. There will be a double front of cure that cheap energy will provide. More income for everybody and everything will be less expensive.

        • Luca Salvarani

          Dear TPBurnett

          Thank you for the reply but let me expain better:
          1) Of course e-cat will produce (few) jobs… but it would displace a much greater number of them and what really matters in the NET effect.
          2) Of course a huge drop in energy prices will be a blessing and a great economic and life quality improvement…. but things are more complex than they appear, expecially fot their jobs effect. First of all you should consider not the operative-price but the final price that consumers pay: here in Italy, but also in the entire Europe, at least 50% of energy prices are TAXES! So if e-cat will replace old sources government will lose their cash flow (generated by indirect taxation) and likely impose huge taxes on e-cat even to the extent that those taxes greatly oversize the opertative cost itself… This is a forecast but it’s absolutely realistic. Secondly I agree that people can save money (not as much as you think due to future taxes as I’ve just expained) but those lot of people that will lose their jobs due to e-cat (and many other CURRENT technologies… you can realistically assume that more than 50% of the entire labour force is replaceble right now, not to speak about technologies in progress or future ones…) will lose their cash/income source so an energy bill reduction doesn’t help them so much… it surely help who will retain their jobs not who will be dispaced… Last but not least: you could state that who will retiain their job will have more free money to spend and so their greater consume/investment will generate new jobs… theoretically it’s right but not so much in the reality! For example they will have to pay huge new taxes to the government to jobs displaced “welfare” so their free money will be less than you presume, secondly their addictional consume could be provided by virtually zero jobs due to automation…. I’m describing a process that is in progress right now and it’s indipendent from e-cat E-cat would further accelerate and reinforce this process but it would take place anyway… e-cat or not! For example you consider electronic products… such a things that people like to buy with free money: a lot of manufacturers are totally automating the production and even Foxxcon forecast to save 2-3 millions of jobs within few years. You have mentioned bus… do you know that there’s already a technology (Google one) that allows cars, bus ecc… to self driving: how many people earn an income thanks this task that is going to be fully automates? Please read this quick link to understand that all this process could enormously enrich us:
          Sorry again for my imperfect english.

          • Luca, you are right about the declining value of most human labor in an age of increaing technology, of course. But, many mainstream economists currently have good jobs telling people otherwise to defend a certain status quo, and they have effectively confused and misled most people (including themselves).

            You can read more about alternatives on my website (both positive and negative ones), like in the essay “Beyond a Jobless Recovery: A Heterodox Perspective on 21st Century Economics”.

            Here is an excerpt from something that I sent to Andrea Rossi last year, and then reposted on the PES wiki:


            The key point here is that breakthrough clean energy technologies will change the very nature of our economic system. They will shift the balance between four different interwoven economies we have always had (subsistence, gift, planned, and exchange). Inventors who have struggled so hard in a system currently dominated by exchange may have to think about the socioecenomic implications of their invention in causing a permanent economic phase change. A clean energy breakthrough will probably create a different balance of those four economies like toward greater local subsistence and more gift giving (as James P. Hogan talks about in Voyage From Yesteryear). So, to focus on making money in the old socioeconomic paradigm (like by focusing on restrictive patents) may be very ironic, compared to freely sharing a great gift with the world that may change the overall dynamics of our economy to the point where money does not matter very much anymore.

            There have always been four interwoven economies, and the balance of them is shaped by our society:
            * A subsistence economy (“There’s some lovely berries over here.”);
            * A gift economy (“The meat from this deer is going to spoil; let’s share it with the tribe.”);
            * A planned economy (“Let’s put the longhouse here.”);
            * An exchange economy (“You scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours.”);

            Paid human labor has less and less value due to several causes including due to robotics, AI, and other automation, due to better design, due to the accumulation of physical infrastructure, due to cheaper energy (which can often substitute for human labor), and/or due to the emergence of voluntary social networks.

            Mainstream economists try to get around this long term trend by assuming infinite demand, but that is just not in accord with human psychology or social dynamics. See Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs, or an emerging “Reduce, Reuse, Recycle” ethic, or see any of the world’s major religions — including humanism — about moving beyond materialistic values.

            So, we can expect the balance between those four economies to change as our technology and society changes, perhaps with:
            * A subsistence economy through 3D printing and local PV solar panels or other clean energy technologies (like cold fusion or something else);
            * A gift economy through the internet, like sharing digital files to use with our 3D printers;
            * A planned economy on a variety of scales, including through taxes, subsidies and regulation affecting market dynamics; and
            * An exchange economy marketplace softened by a basic income.

          • Dan

            Sorry – but you are missing the point. You must think outside of the box for this one.
            This technology will change society – yes even to the point where 80 to 90% of the jobs are automated. But it will create an energy source that is capable of fueling vehicles that can leave earth’s atmosphere cheaply. We will be able to explore the solar system – set up mining operations on asteroids – colonize the Moon – and then Mars – and beyond. Build orbiting space stations for solar power generation – and the production of space craft. This is just one of the new modes of employment.

            Initially I can see a period of great adjustment – perhaps we in the west, too connected to oil and gas will pass the technology to the 3rd world countries so they can get themselves out of poverty and poor health. They can be free of oil.

            There have been many times in history where a paradigm change has occurred – wood to coal – whale oil – Oil – gas…this next jump will help mankind and we should be optimistic about the opportunities.

            Pessimism breads pessimism – ignorance breeds despair – Let’s start out on the right track for once and embrace this. It has the potential to catapult humanity to a whole new level.

  • Ivan Mohorovicic


    Andrea Rossi
    July 13th, 2012 at 12:44 PM

    Dear Luke:
    Your pre-order has been accepted, but please remember that we have to wait the certification.
    Yes, we are biulding a manufacturing line also in Italy (Ferrara).
    Warm Regards,

    • Ged

      I guess this means he was able to overcome the opposition (inquisition) in Italy that spooked him away from it a few months ago.

  • georgehants

    Andrea Rossi
    July 13th, 2012 at 12:48 PM
    Dear Francesco Toro:
    1- We will have indipendent manufacturing lines, able to make everything, in the USA and in Europe (Sweden and Italy)
    2- The industrial plants (E-Cats and Hot Cats) have prices that depend on their characteristics, very difficult to generalize. The domestic will be around 1 000 US$, after the certification and deoending on the requirements of the certificator.
    Warm Regards,

  • Nicholas Payne

    The budget seems couched in utterly obscure language so that no oil or coal state senator will cotton on to what it is being spent on.

  • For the record, it appears that the FT12 request Vol 1, P 32) is just for $2.5 million, with $11,750,000 granted in FY11 and $11,650,000 in FY12. That totals $33.85 million, or as Next Big Thing calls it, $34 million. I think that is wonderful! DAEPA, remember, also gave us the Internet.

    • GreenWin

      Yes Joe… called then ARPANET: but don’t tell Algore.

    • georgehants

      Hey, I don’t want to cause any trouble but ——-
      Where the web was born
      Tim Berners-Lee, a scientist at CERN, invented the World Wide Web (WWW) in 1989. The Web was originally conceived and developed to meet the demand for automatic information sharing between scientists working in different universities and institutes all over the world.
      CERN is not an isolated laboratory, but rather a focus for an extensive community that now includes about 60 countries and about 8000 scientists. Although these scientists typically spend some time on the CERN site, they usually work at universities and national laboratories in their home countries. Good contact is clearly essential.
      The basic idea of the WWW was to merge the technologies of personal computers, computer networking and hypertext into a powerful and easy to use global information system.

  • Sheikh Mubarak

    I wish to be able to have e-cat unit in my house before the start of World War-3 to guarantee a safe shelter.

  • Torbjörn

    “Our results indicate break-even in fusion at a laser pulse energy of 1 J with the same focusing, in approximate agreement with theoretical results for ignition conditions in ultra-dense deuterium. Radiation loss at high temperature will however require higher laser energy at break-even.”

  • Lu

    Part 2 or Rossi’s Free Energy Systems interview is posted:

    Very good interview with updates of what Rossi’s said before. Highly recommended.

    • daniel maris

      INteresting he still mentions the Home Depot. Has anyone ever tried contacting them for a comment?

    • Lu

      FYI, Looks like Andrew Breznick is behind this new website:

      “We are excited about the launching of our website We are hopeful that this site will serve as a resource to broaden our collective awareness of all new trends and advancements occurring within the free energy sector. Through our interactive forums, in-depth interviews and informative articles, we intend to bring clean energy into the mainstream,” said Andrew Breznick, Executive Director of Free Energy Systems.

      I’m not recommending this website one way or another but I did wonder who was able to land an AR interview so quickly.

    • dfnj

      It cost millions of dollars to get anything certified by UL. I have research doing this before. I would love to see a PDF file with the digitized summary page of the contract with UL (just black out the dollar amounts).

      • Ged

        Millions of dollars? Do you have proof of this? A lot of cheap consumer goods are UL certified, so I find it hard to believe your statement about costing millions (with a plural).

      • A slight exaggeration, Dave. UL certification “can cost as much as $8,000 per safety mark per product”

        • GreenWin

          It is odd Peter, but skeptopaths have adopted wild exaggeration as their latest ploy. Not sure whether this is to stir the pot, or misdirected passion. It appears desperate.

          • Lu

            I think he’s just trolling.

            • Rockyspoon

              More like fishing.

            • dfnj

              Yep, you got me. I am trolling so someone like you can comment. Gee.

          • There does seem to be something of a pattern developing here, GW. 80% reasonable comment – then slip in the payload.

        • dfnj

          Cost will vary depending on the device.

  • For what concerns the industrial E-cat thermal plants, with low and/or high temp output, no prob at all: Rossi and his customer, military or non, are on their right way.
    But for the domestic products, the time of necessary validations delivery seems to be a mistery. Considering that Rossi whishes to keep his HQs in the states, that can’t be an hurdle in making him to decide to have the domestic E-Cat appliance certified/validated abroad and in e very short time. Where? Where the things, almost impossible to get done in the states in a reasonable time, can be surely done without problems.
    Where? I let you the possible choice of such a state, IMO I’d say China.
    Like it or not.

  • Allen McCloud

    Are there any Naval bases close to where Rossi is in Florida? That’s why nobody can find his factory… its on a Naval base. 😉

    • Peter Hunt

      I suspect it could be at the once not so secret CIA/AirForce base some 40+ miles west of Miami. This spooky base was once promoted by Stuart Udall but has been abandoned and just North Of the Tamiami trail.

      Big place and center of much illicit trade to South and Central America but there was a time when you got shot(at) if you penetrated it’s perimeter. May be they have found a use for it out there in the blazing sunshine. Well beyond the Indian Bingo Parlor.

    • dfnj

      I know a colonial in the Air Force. If anyone finds out what base let me know.

  • Andreiko

    Autonome LENR Electric Car! (Defkalion+Korea)

  • georgehants

    News · Society & Culture
    RIP evidence: Canadian scientists in mourning
    Wednesday, 11 July 2012
    Agençe France-Presse
    Canadian scientists accuse the ruling political party of killing scientific evidence by cutting research funding.
    Credit: Wikimedia
    OTTAWA: Scientists have held a mock funeral march marking the ‘death of evidence’ in Canada, accusing the ruling political party of muzzling government scientists to advance a political agenda that ignores research findings.
    The procession of 200 scientists in lab coats lead by pallbearers carrying a coffin moved silently through downtown Ottawa’s streets to Parliament, where a mock funeral service was held for scientific programs cut in recent budgets.
    “We are here today to commemorate the untimely death of evidence in Canada,” rally organiser and doctoral student in biology Katie Gibbs told a crowd.

    “Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.”
    F. Nietzsche

    • QC-JYM

      That’s what happend when you elect a wiesel as a prime minister. This being said, it is interesting to see how politics differ from this country to individual provinces (Canada is split into 10 provinces and 1 territory). I live in Quebec City and our lab just received a 20M$ grant to upgrade our facility. Either we get a better esteem from our provincial government or it’s only votes by-out for the coming election! 😉

      • georgehants

        It just shows that scientists can react against lies and corruption when their livelihoods are threatened.
        Time for them to react on moral grounds of follow the TRUTH.

    • dfnj

      RE: “Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies.”
      F. Nietzsche

      The problem with Nietzsche is he got it right that everything is essentially meaningless. Where Nietzsche got it wrong is it is also meaningless that it is meaningless! So you might as well choose meaningful. The difference between a choice and a decision is a decision is based on reason. A true choice is not based on any reason. So is everything mundane or divine? I choose divine.

  • georgehants

    Rossi must still be credited with bringing Cold Fusion into the light.
    These next few months could be Wonderful.
    The establishment will try every trick to change the history of Cold Fusion, to put academia and themselves in the position of having found Cold Fusion for the World and not to have denied it.
    Luckily those of us that have been following events from the beginning can pass on the Truth of the story.

  • moab

    I am surprised that most people didn’t know this yet. It was already reported by last February:

    • Ivan Mohorovicic

      It really looks like most people didn’t know about this. Due to the possible implications this news deserved a dedicated story and a wider exposure. Now we have that and a direct official link to the document showing this fact so that it’s not just hearsay.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      You’ll notice that this article was not carried in the US version of Wired. Not published in the US, where the press is supposedly protected by the Bill of Rights.

      “There is no such thing, at this stage of the world’s history in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dare write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my papers, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press? We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes.” – Newspaper writer, John Swinton, at his retirement banquet.

      • That must have gone down among the hacks like a lead balloon. He sounds just a tad downhearted.

        Where was the quote published, ID – Wired UK?

      • GreenWin

        Thanks Iggy. Unfortunately this applies TODAY more than in 1880 when it was originally uttered. Swinton wrote for the New York Times and Sun. Today, we see total ignorance paid to LENR confirming not only ignorance but the collusion to perpetrate ignorance in mainstream “press.”

        We are STILL waiting for the AP story from the reporter and photographer sent to Bologna Oct 28, 2011. They witnessed the demonstration of the 1MW ecat and promptly went… dumb.

  • dfnj

    Very few people are now doubting the existence of excess heat being generated by these experiments.

    Has anyone ever claimed total control over the process? The success of commercialization is going to depend on consistently repeatable results. Anything less is ho hum at this point.

    • Ged

      That’s the big clincher. So far no one has completely shown the ability to sustain and stabilize the reactions, other than MIT’s lower powered reaction. To commercialize, you’re completely right in that complete control must be gained, so if Rossi/DGT/Blacklight/etc are able to release a device for sale, then they would have succeeded. We will have to see. I think the conference in August will tell us if this has come to pass or not.

  • GreenWin

    Yes, DARPA, SRI and Energetics have all been working with US government funding and the Italian ENEA for the past ten years. ENEA makes no bones about it. They have published a 230 page document titled Cold Fusion – the History of Research in Italy

    “Together with ENEA, Energetics and NRL (The US Naval Research
    Laboratory), we have just finished Phase I of what may prove to be a
    milestone forward step in condensed matter nuclear research. The team
    has successfully replicated at SRI experiments initially performed by
    Energetics in Israel. Our results were reviewed two weeks ago by DARPA
    (The US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, Washington DC)
    and other government scientists. We reported very high levels of power
    gain (heat out / energy in) and high levels of reproducibility that were not
    imaginable as little as a year ago. A full report on this phase of activity is
    now complete and I will submit it formally next week to my DARPA
    contract manager. In addition to the obvious contributions of Energetics
    and superwaves, a very large part of what must be considered a major
    scientific success is due to the control of palladium metallurgy developed
    and exercised by Dr. Violante at ENEA Frascati. This contribution is
    recognized not only at SRI but also at NRL where new collaborations are
    developing, and now at DARPA. Dr. Violante and I have worked in
    formal collaboration between SRI and ENEA now for over a decade. I
    hope this is only the beginning.”

    There is little doubt the collective knowledge on LENR has not been revealed. And that Rossi’s latest claims pale compared to what’s on the way.

    • dfnj

      The USA is broke. Our people are suffering. Millions are out of work. Millions have NO healthcare. Millions are starving. WWII is has been over for a few years now. It’s time for us to close our European bases. To our European friends, please kick us out!!!

      • GreenWin

        Goodness Dave from NJ, you do like to catastrophize! First it was LENR would cause a nuclear explosion (proven false), then you told us Rossi promised ecats at Home Depot in August (he did not)… then you changed your name to dfnj. I’m wondering what’s next. An asteroid??

        Have a nice morning Dave. And cheer up! Life is what you make it!!

        • dfnj

          DFNJ is an acronym for Dave from NJ. I was not hiding behind an alias. I reset my cookies and the blog reset my name and email. I just entered it wrong the second time.

          “nuclear explosion (proven false)” is not true. You cannot prove a negative. When dealing with natural forces that involve nuclear reactions I think it is important to have a well defined and well tested theoretical model don’t you think????

          • georgehants

            dfnj, are you happy that Cold Fusion is coming along to remove the economic woe’s from everybody, if allowed free reign.

            • dfnj

              From my understanding Rossi is in the game to make money. He has no interested in making it open source.

              I will let the data take me where ever it leads. So far, the data about whether Cold Fusion is coming is just opinions. Having experiments in the lab is one thing. Being able to control a natural process for commercialization is a much harder problem. No denies the existence of excess heat.

          • Ged

            Argument from Ignorance (saying one can’t prove a negative, therefore the negative must be plausible) and Argument from Probability (saying if something could happen means it will happen) are both Logical Fallacies.

            In short, your arguments are illogical and bunk, with no substance or actual evidence from which to argue, in these regards.

            The others are right, are being a bit gloomy. Don’t worry so much, things are getting better in the world, even if slowly!

            • dfnj

              All objectivity is determined by subjective judgments. You claim to be objective, but you are just as subjective with your OPINIONS as I am.

              The fact is, energy created by nuclear reactions is HUGE. That is the fact.

              The question about what does it all mean is purely an opinion. You think its safe and that is your dogma. I am sorry to have insulted your sensibilities about your opinions.

            • Ged

              It isn’t about opinion, that’s the problem with your statements.

              Lets look at your logical fallacies:

              “Can’t prove a negative.” An example of the Fallacy from Ignorance is “you can’t disprove God, therefore God exists.”

              This argument offers no evidence or proof that God exists, it simply states since you can’t prove elsewise, so then it must be so. Hence it is a fallacy, and not a real argument. The same is your statement. You make no proof that CF can release enough POWER to cause an explosion. And all empirical evidence we have shows a very low power release rate (10 kW at best). This is backed up by the rate of reaction from the metal lattice, which constrains the conditions by which a reaction can even take place.

              Again, show your evidence and proof. You can’t, because you have none.

              There is no dogma, there is only evidence.

      • dfnj

        Where is the socialism? You be the judge:

        “Today the wealthiest 400 individuals in America own more wealth than the bottom half of America, 150 million people. Today, the six heirs to the Wal-Mart fortune now own more wealth than the bottom 30% of the American people. One family owns more wealth than the bottom 30%, 90 million Americans. ”

        “These people on Wall Street spent billions of dollars, billions of dollars, trying to deregulate Wall Street and they got their way.”

        “independent audit that some of us helped to bring about in the Dodd-Frank bill, we learned that the Federal Reserve provided a jaw-dropping $16 trillion in virtually zero interest loans to every major financial institution in this country, central banks all over the world, large corporations and, in fact, to wealthy individuals.”

        • The world’s financial system is utterly corrupt and has been for decades. Many politicians are deeply complicit in the corruption. This will all change when CF is loose in the world – a slightly different group of banksters and corrupt politicians will have their hands in our wallets instead.

          You can express your dissatisfaction with this state of affairs here: I’m not sure it’ll do anything but it feels good!
          (Frank, delete if too far off topic).

          • P.S. Despite the streams of Brits who are currently signing, the petition is open to any nationality.

          • dfnj

            We need a larger more permanent solution to the root cause of the problem. Otherwise, we will just have another crisis costing the people of the world trillions of dollars, debt, and resulting slavery. See my post in the user forums for my solution.

            • Andrew Macleod

              Unfortunatly most people now a days treat symptoms not the problems. The world WILL be crushed when the bandaids are stacked too high.

        • N810

          and if we keep raising thir taxes those 400 people who pay like 20%-40% of all US taxes, decide to move somewhere cheeper what then?

          • dfnj

            Yeah, the industrials are just going to pack up all their factories and move them to a country where there are no labor laws, slave labor, and no taxes on production.

            Oh wait a minute, they did that with China. Now what are they going to do to threaten us with that they have not done already?

        • psi

          Dave, I agree with you that our present tax system is corrupt and unduly favors the rich. But I have to agree with other posters about most of your alarmism. To answer your question, no, scientists do not always fully understand the theoretical models which enable cutting edge technology. Nor do they need to. It is up to UL and other testing institutions to determine if the e-cat will be safe for home use. Based on everything that has already been released, I see almost zero need for health concern. Fukushima, yes. E-cat, no.

          • dfnj

            I appreciate your measured response.

            I think “alarmist” is too strong a word to describe my objections. I do not think it is out of the question to emphasize the importance of good science when working with nuclear reactions generating huge amounts of energy.

            My biggest problem with the Italians is they end up arguing with each so much they end up doing sloppy science. But I understand Rossi is in the game to make money and not interesting in doing good science. So if that’s the case, then the standard business practices with regards to marketing, brand recognition, and public relations should be important.

            My biggest problem with Rossi is he makes all these promises and then has no integrity. For example, Home Depot was supposed to be selling home E-cats by August 2012. And the 600 degree data for the 20 e-cats was supposed to be reported in August is now delayed to September.

            If saying anything at all is a marketing tactic employed by Rossi, what is the point? All Rossi is doing is hurting his brand name with slippage on every promise.

          • GreenWin

            psi, AR has again mentioned Home Depot as an outlet for the home water heater. He DID NOT give a start date since that depends entirely on the certification process.

            So far AR has kept to nearly 100% of his date claims. Compared to the 62 years of hot fusion promises that have lifted $$250 billion from global taxpayers and delivered ZERO useful energy – Rossi is an angel. Doug from NJ doth protest too much!

            • dfnj

              I will go where the data takes me. So far, Warm Regards is no different than the hot fusion folks. All talk, no results.

              Did I not hear the 600 degree data will now be publish in September instead of “shortly”. Sigh…

      • Jimr

        On top of everything said above,you can not stop from exaggerating. Country broke- very close, but millions starving in US is a stretch.

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        The only people that have starved in the US are a few eccentrics and a few abused and/or neglected children or elderly…and a few anorexics, plus 319 GimmeCrats that swapped their food-stamps for crystal-meth.

    • Lu


      This is a very interesting report. It came out in 2009! I read the part from Forcardi. Very interesting and amazing that so much LENR has transpired but it’s still in the relative backwaters. Maybe everyone is working in secret for fear of being ridiculed OR trying to find the big secret $$! Maybe this will change shortly.

      • GreenWin

        Yes Lu, Italy has been quite open about their research into CF. They, and many “in the know” have been sure of CF’s potential since Pons & Fleischmann. Later, Nobel laureate Dr. Carlo Rubbia, President of ENEA ordered a detailed study to confirm fusion in LENR. That study, led by A. DeNinno, proved beyond doubt the appearance of He4 in cold fusion cells. He4 is widely believed to be a marker for nuclear fusion.

        This study, later named “Report 41” was buried by ENEA and Rubbia. It’s name derives from the 41 scientific journals that found excuses NOT to publish it.

        When all is said and done – there will be a thorough house cleaning in science, academia, and politics. It is a necessary part of our evolution.

  • Possibly if they mention paladium deuteruim nanoparticles to
    continue along the lines of Yoshiaki Arata’s breakthrough
    reasearch with consistency in the reaction. This metheod is
    currently a most likely candidate for open source applications.

    Really even if the paladium is a little more expensive why wait
    indefinitely for the others to miss the pronouced milestones when
    there is a lot of low cost power to produce and sell.

    • dfnj

      When the metal lattice breaths out heat, the force of shrinking metal over the trapped hydrogen ions is overcoming the Coulomb repulsion causing fusion. The fusion reaction is generationg the release of huge amounts of heat into the metal matrix.

      • GreenWin

        Wait a minute… that means Widom Larsen theory and Kirvit are wrong (since there is no fusion.)

      • Ged

        That does seem to be the strongest hypothesis at the moment, both theoretically and fully in line with all the empirical evidence. Definitely my favorite line of research to investigate.

      • Possibly aided and abetted by magnetostriction resulting from an EM field or pulsed current flow. The pulse width might capture the thermal ‘breathing’ cycle time if it picks up on a natural resonance.

        • Ged

          Resonance can greatly exaggerate motions. Look at Tesla’s earthquake device, which the Mythbusters tested. When the several pound device was attuned to the resonance of a massive steel bridge, it could vibrate the entire structure, all 100s of thousands of tons of material that composed it.

          A pinch point in a lattice could have a pressure increased by resonance (simply to increase the reaction rate) to force fusion of trapped hydrogen/deuterium atoms. The loading ratio into the lattice is one test of this hypothesis that supports it (you’d need a high loading to pack enough hydrogen together to force two atoms close enough together into the same “pinch point” of the lattice.

  • dfnj

    Does “Italian Energy Department” = Rossi?

    • giro

      I don’t think so… Italian Energy Dep sounds to me as ‘il dipartimento energia e trasporti’ which is an italian (i believe state controlled) research agency part of the “Consiglio Nazionale delle Ricerche” (National research council). If you look at their site, anmoung their 7 major there is ‘participation in national and international programs on fusion’ and ‘production, transport and use of hydrogen’.

  • JBJ

    At last, free to dream! Thank you, DARPA!

  • atanguy

    Yes,I still think that the navy is the first customer for the 1MW reactor from Rossi. If my calculation is right,see the forum, 8,000 recharges cartriges will replace 80,000 tonnes of oil to move an aircraft carrier likes the old Enterprise for one year!!!

    • psi

      I may not have said this explicitly, but when Rossi said, in reference to his capitalization needs, “we are a well armed battleship” I, for one, interpreted that as his way of saying it was the Navy, or at least that the Navy was involved. And to me they seem the most likely of the US military forces to take a serious interest, both because of SPAWAR and because of their high energy consumption. So I tend to agree that one can almost bank on it being the Navy.

    • N810

      ummm the Enterprise is a Nucular vessel. I doesn’t use oil for fuel.

      • atanguy

        I said the old enterprise, the one from Midway that was using diesel engine. As for the nuclear Enterprise the gain in using LENR is even bigger:: 2 billion nuclear reactor against 80 millions for 80MW reactors from Rossi! And NO RADIOACTIVITY!

  • Luca Salvarani

    Dear Admin

    1) Is this post connected in any way with your previous post about a trustworthy insider leaks… or have you found out this by yourself (possible, but very difficult and so unlikely)? The reason of my question is very simple: here in Italy our defaulting and crony government “seems” not to support, not to say even openly oppose, Rossi and his research so a government involvment in lenr seems very strange to me. This orrible attitude is not only about Rossi, but every free market solution and private investments… Anyway God bless America… without the US we would never ever have e-cat!
    2) Has that insider said something about e-cat performances in terms of temperature, cop, electric energy conversion and so on… I’m not asking you to reveal these pieces of information since I also know wery well some people at the Bologna University but they always have said me something like “I’m really sorry Luca, but I can’t really say nothing, even in a confidential way” so I perfectly undestand you. Are you encouraged only for the identity of third party, the way to proof the technology or also for its perfomance…. I think you can answer to this question without going back on your promise. Sorry for my imperfect english. Thank you!

  • daniel maris

    All good stuff – there seems to be a lot of positive news coming through.

  • Barry

    Off topic. I have a submission for the “Cold Fusion Twarters Hall of Fame”. Dr. H. Frederick Dylla, Executive Director and CEO of the American Institute of Physics.

    In a recent paper by P. Hagelstein and M.H. Mile, New analysis of MIT Calorimetric Errors, (can be found PH and MHM state how MIT screwed up back in 1989- “A rather large error of 40 mW was reported for the MIT calorimetry. This large error is due mainly to the thick glass wool insulation that surrounded the walls of the MIT cells…”. There is a curious note at the end “ The need for a new analysis of the MIT calorimetry even after 20 years was illustrated by a last minute book cancellation in 2010 by the American Institute of Physics (AIP) because someone apparently did not like the subject matter [8].” The reference to 8 reads “The American Institute of Physics (AIP) book on Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR) was cancelled as this book was going to press in October, 2010. The executive director of AIP, H. Frederick Dylla, was involved with this decision.”

    I googled FD and found an article by Jed Rothwell quoting Dylla in 2009, who said “such concepts as polywater, cold fusion, and human clones are examples of scientific pronouncements that were eventually proven wrong or fraudulent by the step-by-step process of examination, review, and repetition.”
    Can we list him right under John R. Huizenga who wrote the book Cold Fusion: The Scientific Fiasco of the Century.

    I Hope I’m not being too negative, but people like this make me angry because they have abused their positions and it’s hard to figure whether their motives come from politics or arrogance. They are not stupid people and there has been enough reason towards, at the very least be open minded to the study of LENR. Instead they poured cold water on Cold Fusion for the rest of us. Peace Barry

    • s

      In my opinion, cold fusion/LENR (or perhaps just excess energy generation) was proven to decisively work in 1989 by P&F. There was no way, in my opinion then and in my opinion now, that reputable scientists of such high esteem could make measurement errors. The issue now is whether “excess energy generation” can be made commercially viable. Just because an energy generation method works does not mean it will ever be viable in a brief timeframe (see hot fusion). Once reputable scientists, meaning scientists who will lose their academic esteem if they are wrong, say their independent tests show LENR is commercially viable, I will believe it. Or, when I can buy one off the shelf.

    • GreenWin

      Barry, guys like Fred Dylla, Huizenga, Park, Ron Parker, Ron Ballinger will have to answer for their actions. Either they will reveal complicity in corruption or, humiliating ignorance. Either way the ol’ karmic wheel will turn against them;)

    • psi

      Hi Barry, just a comment that in academia arrogance is politics. Sigh….

  • James Mazzarella

    2012 State of the Union Address

    We can also spur energy innovation with new incentives. The differences in this chamber may be too deep right now to pass a comprehensive plan to fight climate change. But there’s no reason why Congress shouldn’t at least set a clean energy standard that creates a market for innovation. So far, you haven’t acted. Well tonight, I will. I’m directing my Administration to allow the development of clean energy on enough public land to power three million homes. And I’m proud to announce that the Department of Defense, the world’s largest consumer of energy, will make one of the largest commitments to clean energy in history – with the Navy purchasing enough capacity to power a quarter of a million homes a year.

    Kind of looks like the pieces are coming together. I also remember in another speech he said the day of oil is over, can,t remember which one.

    Kind of makes you think of where that 1 MW unit might be.

    • artefact

      smells like it …

    • zvibenyosef

      A 1MW heat generator could supply enough electricity for approx 100 homes, with conversion from heat to electricity efficiency of 30%.

      • James Mazzarella

        This technology will no doubt be co-gen.

        • psi

          That’s the way to rock and roll. District hot water heating.

      • Hampus

        The first customer bought more then one plant. 14 in total I think, that’s why Rossi have been soo busy, building 14 one megawatts plants in under half a year. I think that the us customer is the naval research lab, they have done a lot of good experiments.

    • I’d bet you this is the mystery customer! ENEA is one of the few national agencies in the world that has dared to defy the naysayers and engage with the mysteries of LENR. Great find, Frank!

  • Robert Mockan

    I could not find anything in the report about working with the Italians.
    The only mention of research that might be related to LENR on page 51 of the PDF was this, “ palladium microstructures with large
    deuterium loadings to study absorption thermodynamics and effects..”.

    Can anyone find more information in the report?

    • admin

      It’s on page 52, Robert. Two mentions there.

      • Robert Mockan

        Thanks. I see it now. Small print.

      • dickyaesta (Didymus van Kempen)

        I can’t read PDF link of file to Darpa’s budget. Frank or anyone could you provide a different link which does load in (my) Adobe Reader or is there some blocking going on for visitors from other countries by DARP


    • Ivan Mohorovicic

      Page 52

    • Ged

      That’s LENR, no ifs or buts about it. Similarly to the passages quoted above, which are vague, but only LENR fits the language of the power cells being described.

      They are tip-toeing around, but the flood gates have been opened lately on LENR. The military applications of properly scaled LENR are huge, hence why I wouldn’t expect them to be trumpeting this.

      Edit: reading more of this budget, there is a lot of incredible stuff going on, and this is just the unclassified work…

  • s

    It is interesting they were careful not to use the phrases “cold fusion”, “LENR”, “CANR” , “LANR” or “CMNR” in the statement. Perhaps, if they ever refer to their work with one of the preceding phrases, that will be a big story.

  • andreiko

    Het fenomeen LENR boort zich een weg in alles wat dynamisch is, de media gaan over elkaar heen tuimelen MET GOEDNIEUWS dat is al een wonder opzich.

  • Robert Mockan

    Interesting. When Los Alamos National Labs was doing their cold fusion experiments in the early 90s they concluded that the heat effect was not enough for military applications, and most of the research scientists lost interest.
    If DARPA is involved now maybe government opinion has changed. I wonder if “pressure activated” refers to the use of pressure cycling to keep the hydrogen diffusing through the catalyst, and reacting to generate heat.

    • Ged

      That seems to be one of the keys to LENR. Need a significant molar loading of the hydrogen/deuterium into the metal lattice. Too little and no reaction or no reliable reaction can take place. Keeping that loaded hydrogen supply up is no easy task, for sure. Also makes LENR vulnerable to impurities that prevent the proper high amount of gas loading into the metal.

      Maybe that is what they realized in this work.

    • GreenWin

      Robert, the Euro Commission has issued several calls for similar proposals in nano-material catalysts. They have 8Billion Euros for FP7 2013. If I were in the EU – I’d write a proposal.

  • morse

    Seems like white steam is coming out of the chimney, still 20 years too late.
    How would the die-hard skeptics talk themselves out of this one?

    • Daniel M. Basso

      The skeptics will have no problem at all. The deniers on the other hand…

  • Lu


    “Continued quantification of material parameters that control degree of increase in excess heat generation and life expectancy of power cells in collaboration ”

    Sounds like testing to me….

    • Lu

      Should have read Frank’s post more carefully.

      Quantification is part of the goals for 2011.

      Goals for 2012 are to “establish scalability and scaling parameters in excess heat generation processes in collaboration with the Italian Department of Energy.” Could be more testing but sounds more like research. Also it’s on the nano-scale.

      • Ged

        Nano-scale means the size of the materials where the reaction is taking place, such as nanoparticles. The power cell is made up of these nanomaterials. For instance, hydrogen fuel cells have nano-scale components for some of the more advanced designs.