Italian Government Steps in to Scrutinize Piezonuclear Reaction Research

The following guest post was submitted by E-Cat World reader Alain Samoun

The work on piezonuclear reactions of Alberto Carpinteri, professor of structural mechanics at the Polytechnic of Turin, has already been discussed on this site (see: http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/06/more-on-alberto-carpinteris-lenr-theories/ and: http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/06/italian-researchers-call-for-intervention-in-lenr-research-funding/)

It is theorized that in piezonuclear reactions compressing solids can provoke nucleus-splitting reactions without producing γ-rays or nuclear waste. Like LENR, a new phenomena like this, unexplained by current physics becomes a target for the scientific oligarchy which is more interested in preserving its territory and its hierarchical position than in studying and developing new science. It is not an accident then that Carpinteri has been attacked in the same way as Fleischman and Pons were attacked for their results.

A petition to the Italian research minister, started by a nuclear physicist Ezio Puppin, the chief inquisitor in this episode, has been able to strip Carpinteri of his modest research funds: He was asking 2 millions dollars total for 2 years of research at INRIM, the institute where he presides. Compare this to the billions spent on hot fusion and uranium fission research, for example. Also the same inquisitor was able to remove Fabio Cardone, another research physicist in the piezonuclear field, from his nomination to the Italian Council of Science.

Carpinteri said that he will continue nonetheless his curiosity-driven research in piezonuclear reactions at the Turin Polytechnic laboratory.
The following video from RAI TV (in Italian) shows a Carpenteri’s piezonuclear experiments using compression of a granite sample at his lab.

Note that, in the movie, what looks like test tubes, are in fact neutrons detectors that will produce bubbles in the gel inside the tubes.- After the samples fracture, more bubbles appear in the tubes showing more neutrons have been detected. You will also see the appearance of Peter Hagelstein from MIT who gives a short comment.

As Galileo said, “Nevertheless it does turn”

More information on this story can be found at the links below:

http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/06/italian-government-slams-brakes-.html

http://www.nature.com/news/italian-scientists-win-battle-to-halt-controversial-research-1.10823

Alain Samoun

Request: If any Italian speaker would be able to provide an English translation of the commentary on the video we would be very grateful! Many thanks in advance! Frank.

  • morse

    It is so frustrating to see that LENR or the more exotic term “CF” is not discussed or mentioned on scientific websites or newspapers. We live in energy critical times and we see discussions if the Higgs boson particle is now detected or not. They are looking for it a few decades now.
    What if CF could get all this attention?
    Anyway, we know the story of CF and how it was/is debunked by main stream scientists.
    As I am reading also other scientific and educational websites, I came across this new type of battery they invented:
    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/fuel-cell-keeps-going-after-hydrogen-runs-out/

    Not sure this battery will revolutionize the energy world as much as CF? 🙂

  • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

    Amazing who is talking about cold fusion and all things related these days. This interesting thread is on a Pentax (cameras) forum!: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/political-religious-discussion/161412-lenr-update-5.html.

    • jacob

      looks like a 1 man show with 2 people responding

      • Dave from NJ

        It all feeds the search engines which is all that matters.

        • jacob

          I know,thanks dave

          • Dave from NJ

            It’s a great marketing tactic. If enough sites change content referencing the same material that content will come up on top of all the search engines.

    • georgehants

      Interesting that Cold Fusion, like anything science cannot handle ends up in the fringe off-topic religious dept.
      I think this tells a lot about main-line science and it’s policy of marginalising and debunking Evidence not to it’s liking.

      • Dave from NJ

        All objectivity is subjectively determined. One man’s junk science is another man’s religion.

        Hot fusion is junk science by almost every measure.

        Doing good science takes tons of money and resources. I still think the Chinese will be the first to bring LENR products to the marketplace just because they are throwing so much money at the problem.

  • Stephen Taylor

    Cold Fusion Times has updated today.
    world.std.com/~mica/cft.html
    It’s been a while. Not sure yet if there is anything here we have not already seen but the National Instruments post of Dr. Rob Duncan’s lecture was really a good one and I am watching it again…Thanks Ruby!

    https://decibel.ni.com/content/docs/DOC-22977#.T_CcPYPOY4g.twitter

  • georgehants

    MR.Rossi has voted for himself on Franks poll.

    Nixter
    July 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 PM
    Engineer Andrea Rossi,
    There is an interesting new Poll at E-Cat World, http://www.e-catworld.com/
    Who Will Produce the First Mass Market LENR Product?
    Leonardo Corp. (A. Rossi)
    Other
    I voted that Leonardo Corp. (A. Rossi) will be first.
    Do you think I am right? You are perhaps the only person in the world who knows the answer to this.

    Andrea Rossi
    July 2nd, 2012 at 12:43 PM
    Dear Nixter:
    We are already producing plants. Your choice is right and easy.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

      Heh, at least after answering the question’s premise remains true: he is the only person to know.

      • georgehants

        Ha, before to long “hopefully” we all may know.
        If Rossi is legit the day he announces will become known as Rossi day.

        • georgehants

          Pekka, wonderful to read the open-minded science talk today on page.
          Especially your professional input.
          If only all of science was like this Website.
          Tolerant and informative without overpowering, opinionated denial of everything except Dogma.

        • clovis

          Hi,guys.
          Rossi day, i like it.

  • GreenWin

    From Dr. Duncan’s lecture published on the National Instruments “Big Physics” website:

    “If you think the excess heat effect is not real – you are being oblivious to data. I know it’s real, I know fundamentally as a physicist I don’t understand it. And that fascinates me.

    What concerns me is I’ve heard a lot of the scientific community say, “We don’t have a theoretical context for this, so it isn’t worth studying.” That’s like saying, I’m too sick to go to the doctor.” Dr. Robert Duncan Vice-Chancellor Research University Missouri

    FYI: the ecatnews site is offline.

    • jacob

      scientific community = coffee club for friends of people who give out research funding.

      don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

    • daniel maris

      Was E cat news caught by the “One Extra Second” disaster?

  • un passante
    • GreenWin

      Thanks! But… La mia comprensione della lingua italiana è limitata!

      • un passante

        però la frase che hai usato è corretta e anche il mio inglese è limitato.

        Concezzi gave a list of NI collaborations at the moment:

        Kim (hope the spelling is right), Purdue University – mathematical model – software applications – to be presented in august

        Hagelstein, MIT mathematical model – software applications (different theory)

        Los alamos national lab

        University of Missouri

        University of Bologna, Levi – he mentioned a sponsorship for a lab of the physics department. so here we go beyond a simple collaboration. he also spoke about Levi as the “heir” of Focardi (I guess this is also a way to keep in touch with Rossi)

        ENEA
        INFN Frascati (Celani)
        Kobe University
        Osaka University
        Texas University, Austin
        Commissariat à l’énergie atomique et aux énergies alternatives (CEA)
        Stanford Research Institute
        Naval Research Laboratories

        ie National Instruments is deeply involved with LENR research collaborating with chosen scientist and scientific organizations by giving them specific software support and instruments.
        I say chosen because he mentioned that a process of choice was made for budgetary reasons.

        he was cautious when expressing certanties about the phenomenon but he said (specifying it was his opinion) that he was optimist that both a working mathematical model for the phenomenon will be developed and that the experimental data showing excess heat are not measuring errors.

        he also said that NI had the same presentation in front of the European Community ten days ago. (his exact words, he didn’t specify further).

        hopefully an italian speaker with a better english than mine will give more and better details.

        • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

          Thanks for that, un passante.

          “NI had the same presentation in front of the European Community ten days ago”. That is **really** interesting – I would love to know more.

          The whole field seems to be finally gathering speed almost exponentially. We are coming to a ‘crunch point’ at a speed I would never have anticipated.

          • Ged

            If only I could speak Italian… So much great information coming out over there in that country. Interesting how Italy has become such a hotbed for this.

            • Dave from NJ

              Google “google translate”

            • John Williams

              “Interesting how Italy has become such a hotbed for this.”

              Maybe it is related to the financial crisis. Necessity is the mother of invention and all that.

          • artefact

            Daniele Passerini said some weeks ago something like: if we would know what he knows we would be smiling.
            With this new news I get an impression of what he ment.

          • AB

            Stefano Concezzi did not elaborate on why or under what circumstances he presented his slides to the EU.

        • Ged

          Very fascinating. NI’s collaborative work on LENR is far more extensive than it previously seemed. Going as far as sponsorship is a huge jump, and investment.

          With such a heavy weight, with an important reputation to maintain, as NI behind things, it really livens the field up.

          What is also interesting, here in the list, is the “mathematical model”s listed as supplied as support to the Purdue and MIT labs. Also even more interesting is this rap-sheet of labs working on LENR. Purdue? Los Alamos? Those are new ones to me. Same with TU in Austin.

          The rest I think we have heard about over the months, but it’s very neat seeing this from NI’s perspective, and that NI has hands in all these pots.

          Thank you for your post, and helping out us non Italian speakers!

        • artefact

          “he mentioned a sponsorship for a lab of the physics department. so here we go beyond a simple collaboration”

          Is that sponsorship by NI?
          If yes, it looks like both claims by Rossi were correct – the involvemit with NI and that he had relations with UniBo and not oly Levi

        • GreenWin

          Thank you very much un passante! I am convinced the reason Italy has led the way in this energy revolution is your history of courage and curiosity. Leonardo, Galileo, Michelangelo were scientists AND artists. The arts and sciences are not so far apart. Congratulations.

        • daniel maris

          It’s probably best E Cat News is down. Will give the sceptics time to think up some reasons why NI’s statements do not mean they have a special interest in LENR or think it is a genuine phenomenon.

          • AB

            Everybody knows National Instruments is really only studying the psychology of the “pathological believer” under the disguise of supporting LENR researchers.

            (Yes I’m making fun of some skeptics here)

  • georgehants

    Science News
    … from universities, journals, and other research organizations
    ‘Trophy Molecule’ Breakthrough May Result in Cleaner, Cooler Nuclear Energy
    ScienceDaily (July 2, 2012) — Experts at The University of Nottingham are the first to create a stable version of a ‘trophy molecule’ that has eluded scientists for decades.
    In research published in the journal Science, the team of chemists at Nottingham has shown that they can prepare a terminal uranium nitride compound which is stable at room temperature and can be stored in jars in crystallized or powder form
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120702133535.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29

  • Stephen Taylor

    Via ColdFusionNow and National Instruments here is a great video lecture by Rob Duncan that touches on much of what is being discussed here. Looks like it was posted on the NI website on June 28.

    https://decibel.ni.com/content/docs/DOC-22977#.T_CcPYPOY4g.twitter

    • GreenWin

      Stephen thanks for this. Rob Duncan is one of the best scientists working on LENR since he is a highly respected electrochemist and a former cold fusion skeptic.

      In his lecture section on Energetics Technologies experiments Duncan confirms a 34.4W output from 40kj input energy. This excess output arrived from an electrolytic D+Pd cell that quickly boiled away it’s electrolyte.

      These now old results confirm anomalous heat in a range useful to commercial applications. The Mills/Miley/Piantelli/Rossi/Focardi Ni+H2 method appears to amplify the effect significantly.

      • Ged

        I am honestly surprised at how involved NI is suddenly getting. It’s jumping in full force. They’ve obviously seen something that interests them.

        This work by Dr. Duncan adds more curious information to the pot.

  • georgehants

    Lots of quality posts today.
    I won’t spoil things.

  • GreenWin

    Professor Carpintieri is the latest focus of dismissive mainstream academics. They intimate that he, like Fleischmann and Pons may have invented data. A tactic used over and again to quash disruptive research. Due largely to human “sheeple effect” – it takes only a handful of accusers to whip the sheep into a frenzy they call “consensus.” It is not science – it is mob dynamics.

    But Carpintieri is a resilient soul and appears TODAY at the politically arranged “Toward a Clean Energy Revolution” in Rome – organized by Honourable Dominic Scilipoti and sponsored by University Palermo. The goal is to push for immediate acceleration of research funding for cold fusion.

    Featured will be Franceso Celani of Frascati National Laboratories at the Institute of Nuclear Physics (INFN), Prof. Alberto Carpinteri, President INRIM, and from industry National Instruments’ Dr. Stephen Concezzi Director of Science and Big Physics, and former instrumentation contractor to Leonardo Inc.

    Yet another public event announcing the advance of LENR as a real, potential commercial new science.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EpCqFCbPLwo/T-yUZos1WrI/AAAAAAAAG7I/1ruH74RXZyw/s1600/PosterA3.jpeg

  • AB

    One interesting thing about this piezonuclear theory is that it’s supported by several different observations:

    1) Neutron emission during fracture of rocks with transmutation of iron into aluminum (replication/acceptance pending)
    2) Increase in neutron count during earthquakes (something the Russians have been researching)
    3) There is some evidence that the distribution of elements in the earth’s crust has changed over time, with some elements decreasing and some others increasing. Some periods of heavy seismic activity also correspond to the periods of greatest change in element distribution. Nobody has a good explanation for this.
    4) Aluminum rich rocks are found near zones of seismic activity whereas iron is found far from them.

    • GreenWin

      Correct AB. Neutron bursts have been recorded in areas affected by lunar/tidal influence and before /during seismic activity.

      “The qualitatively new data obtained in 1997 show that the neutron peaks are induced by the tidal forces acting in the Earth’s crust. On the other hand, the tidal forces are known to be a possible trigger for seismic activity.”

      Imagine if we understood more about this phenomenon – we might build useful, lifesaving earthquake detectors.

      http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2000SoSyR..34..173V

      • Ged

        Be interesting to see if there’s a link between the neutron bursts and the ionization of the stratosphere prior to a major earthquake.

        • GreenWin

          Very! Do I hear a harp??

          • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

            Surely not. That sequence must be a one way street – mustn’t it?

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

      Thanks for putting all those observations together AB. It seems that the evidence for the existence of piezonuclear fusion in the Earth’s crust may be all around us, just as it was for ‘continental drift’.

      It’s is unfortunate and depressing that Carpinteri is receiving the same response from many of his peers as Wegener did almost exactly 100 years ago. Plus ça change…

      • jacob

        maybe what is becoming clear now,that fossil fuel is not the result of fossils,but the result of Cold Fusion in the earth crust,i am connecting the dots on my research.

        Science and Big Oil are going against the very thing that brought them wealth ,Cold Fusion created the oil, coal, even uranium causes the breakdown of rock formations to dust in nature.

    • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

      A proposition that transmutation would have been enough abundant to alter the crustal composition in a major way during 5 billion years runs into trouble with energetics: there is not that much room for nuclear activity in the observed geothermal heat flux (about 0.1 W/m2), unless exothermal and endothermal nuclear reactions would for some reason almost exactly balance each other energetically.

      • GreenWin

        Pekka, has someone claimed this? Is there a paper somewhere?

        • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

          Greenwin: my comment was criticism towards points 3 and 4 in AB’s post. It’s just based on multiplying the numbers.

          • GreenWin

            Thanks Pekka.

      • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

        Perhaps the piezonuclear effect is only really significant during periods of increased seismic activity. There have been many times in prehistory when the climate was much warmer than now. Perhaps these were periods of intense seismic activity giving rise to increased piezonuclear output? Although the conventional wisdom might be more volcanoes = more CO2 = global warming, or if you have a different agenda, that more volcanoes = more ash clouds = global cooling! Would it be possible to pick up a signal from a modest, overall exothermic imbalance among this kind of noise, especially if it mostly happened millions of years ago?

        Another factor might be that heating of the earth’s core from lunar tidal effects may be slightly less than calculated, leaving room for other processes to be taking place. There could be a number of variables that might make the overall geothermal flux a very complicated value I would have thought.

        • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

          If one proposes that internal heat flux was at times so large as to have a direct warming effect on climate, then one also has to explain why such behaviour is and has been absent in outer solar system bodies.

          • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

            Could be a matter of composition and/or lack of seismic activity. Several of Jupiter’s and Saturn’s moons are heated by massive tidal forces, so perhaps any piezonuclear contribution might be completely masked?

            My point was really that any smallish contribution by piezonuclear effects in the Earth’s crust millions or even billions of years ago would most likely have been masked by other effects, and so are probably undetectable in the present day.

      • atanguy

        @Pekka
        5 billions years is a lot of time to dissipate the energy and in addition some transmutations, like iron->aluminum, are endothermic.
        If you read this:
        http://www.theatomunexplored.com/wp-content/docs/Carpinteri_Rock_Mech_Eng.pdf
        and look at the different maps showing the elements’ distribution on earth’s crust, it is pretty obvious that earthquakes,especially 2.5 billions ago, were at the origin of the transmutations as described by Carpinteri.

        • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

          Geothermal heat flux 0.1 W/m2 over 5 billion years corresponds to only 1.4 tonnes nickel per square metre, assuming each nickel atom produces 7 MeV energy. It’s much much less than the crustal material layer below our feet. On the other hand if the reactions are endothermal, then there is a heat crisis: the Earth should have solidified. It might have a chance of being true only if exothermal and endothermal processes are somehow fine-tuned, to factor hundred thousand or so.

          Compare with the sun for how a typical nuclear dominated heavely body looks like.

          (This criticism concerns parts 3 and 4 in AB’s message. Parts 1 and 2 are not directly affected by this argument.)

          • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

            I may be being dense here Pekka, but is nickel (presumably as nickel-bearing rock) necessarily a significant factor in Carpinteri’s proposed piezonuclear processes?

            • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

              No, but any nuclear reaction typically has MeV scale. Since the result for fine tuning was hundred thousand, giving or taking one order of magnitude is not important.

      • jacob

        add the magnetic aether vortexes that energize the cold fusion process

    • AB

      One possible problem with the experiment shown in the video is that bubbles in bubble detectors can form after mechanical shock. I remember Focardi mentioning this when he talked about a lab explosion. Afterwards they found bubbles but it was unclear whether that was due to the explosion or neutrons.

      Still there is a big difference between what’s happening in the video to the bubble detectors and an actual explosion.

      • Ged

        Indeed, and any good science experiment needs a control to compare it to. That will strain out background neutrons and mechanical shock from the actual experimental signal.

        • atanguy

          If you read the Carpienteri paper, you will learn that the neutron emission happens only if the sample contains iron as the transmutation to Nickel produces neutrons and not the other considered minerals, like marble, that doesn’t contain iron. So the fracture of marble shouldn’t produce bubbles in the detector.

  • Humphrey

    Good news.

    “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you,
    then they fight you, and then you win.”

    Mahatma Gandi

  • Lu

    Please excuse this off-topic response but I want to point out an interesting comment from Rossi from his JONP:

    Andrea Rossi
    July 1st, 2012 at 2:54 PM

    Dear Francesco Toro:
    I suggest to wait for the report we officially will publish for the validation in course, MADE BY OUR CUSTOMER [caps mine for emphasis]. Please be patient.
    ….

    So once again we have to try to figure out what Rossi is saying. However, it appears to me that this means that the validation/report has external party involvement which in my mind is absolutely necessary in order to provide some level of impartial validation.

    Of course Rossi did not say that he will disclose the name of this Customer involved with the validation (if that is indeed what he meant) in which case the report would lose much of its impact IMO! We will just have to wait for the report, which according to Rossi is “within weeks.”

    • jacob

      A testimonial works well for selling more E-cats,bravo!

    • Ged

      I think this may be the second, EU based customer he’s alluding to. Which previously I believe was mentioned to be planning to release its name and info about the 1 MW plant it purchased, some time after delivery.

      It’s interesting, and I guess we’ll have to wait and see. A full disclosure of name and everything is definitely what we need.

  • Remi

    Very interesting. I am sure that the matter used in the tubes is CR-39 the same which was used by Pamela A. Mosier-Boss & Stanislaw Szpak (SPAWAR) in 2009. By the way, would it be possible to have english subtitles for this video ?

    Thanks.

  • http://deadstickarizona-zedshort.blogspot.com/ Zedshort

    When politicians are dragged into deciding questions of science, science is doomed.

    • jacob

      IT is continuing the way it always has,there has been interference for the sake of profits.

      politicians want to protect their income,taxes,levies,fines

  • Gordon Docherty

    It is striking how much research on LENR and related effects now centres on crystalline structures and, of particular interest, crystals subjected to expansion / compression (particularly standing wave oscillations) and pulsed electron flow (again, in wave form). Now, could it be that what is being seen are positively charged (electron deficient) crystals with fractures (“trenches” / “tunnels” acting as Casimir cavities) that are alternately stretched and compressed, into which negatively charged atoms (most likely some compound of hydrogen, where the hydrogen is negatively charged by the electron flow and is likely to dissociate under pressure) are introduced on expansion that are then subject to (locally) immense compression as the fractures again compress.
    Indeed, this pattern of Casimir cavity and expansion/compression is also seen in a related case that has been called “the LeClair Effect”, where a unique process creates a state of water that has been described as crystaline (atomic lattices again), and where the inventors concerned not only produced and observed every element known (right up to the heaviest) – just from hydrogen – but also suffered radiation poisoining for which they needed extensive treatment – see NanSpire, Inc. So, why is the mainstream scientific establishment so nervous of exploring the possibilities offered by (crystal-flanked) trenches / tunnels that are alternately expanded and compressed within a high-pressure, hydrogen “atmosphere” and that are simultaneously subject to (alternating) current flow to simultaneously create collapsing bubbles centered on the crystals? Would such be so hard to replicate? I suspect not, in which case, where is the questioning curiosity that science is supposedly so famous for? Shame on the mainstream…

    • Gordon Docherty

      NanSpire, Inc should read NanoSpire, Inc, of course

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

      The effects claimed by NanoSpire are truly scary, especially as they don’t seem to be entirely spatially localised to the experimental device, i.e., may be some kind of unknown field effect.

      There is also still the suspicion that RF EM may be used to stimulate/control the AHG phenomenon in nickel in the presence of hydrogen, as in the Rossi and (possibly) DGT reactors. As nickel is ferromagnetic, an oscillating EM field will produce frequency-following distortions in the metal lattice through magnetostrictive effects. This may allow the entry of protons or ‘hydrinos’ into microcavities in much the same way as you describe for the Casimir effect in crystals. These might then be forcibly collapsed as the field reverses, ‘crushing’ the protons/hydrinos into close proximity with surface nickel nuclei in the defect. It might be possible to set up standing waves or slow waves at any desired meta-frequency through ‘tuning’ to generate interference or resonance effects.

      • Gordon Docherty

        This would be a great field for research and, I believe, would quickly yield results – it’s a pity the mainstream (as highlighted in Alain Samoun’s article above) does not seem to agree. As to NanoSpire, I agree, it’s scary – but it also demonstrates that fusion without a Tokamak and $15 billion is possible, and I believe with greater research and refinement this approach would be “tunable” to generate any element to order: not something for the high street, but definitely one for industry to produce elements such as gold, diamond and neodymium for specialist applications without the need to demolish half a mountain or burn down a forest – though, yes, this technology would have to be used with caution, unlike the very much more benign (indeed, safe) e-cat and other systems. This having been said, NanoSpire’s technology would produce no more than what governments already have access to today, so its risk to “world peace” should not be exaggerated (unlike materials shortages, which really do threaten world peace)

        • Bigwilly

          Excellent read. I like the tunable comment

    • Jim Johnson

      PESN’s recent link to NanoSpire; very technical:

      http://pesn.com/2012/06/29/9602120_Validated_LeClair-Cavitation-Erosion_Equation_Predicts_Cavitation_Fusion_Using_Standard_Physics/

      If the science is valid, this would seem to increase the credibility quotient for LENR-like phenomena.

      • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

        Interesting addendum to the report added by Mark LeClair on July 1st:

        Q. Why Don’t you Publish the Equation?

        On July 01, 2012 2:51 PM MDT, Mark wrote:

        “I have already disclosed so much to the world in my previous releases that the cat is out of the bag and can’t be stopped, even if they manage to stop us. Even if it takes fifty years I will rest well knowing that the baby has been delivered.”

        “The world’s problems are political, not technological.”

  • AstralProjectee

    That will be the day when Myth busters test an E-cat to confirm it’s not a myth. HAHAHA

    Peace!

    • jacob

      Myth busters have guidelines to follow
      you will NOT see Myth busters test an E-cat for a very long time.

  • AstralProjectee

    If all this is true it’s really bad for mainstream science. If they really want to suppress new science without first have real understanding it really makes them look bad.

    Peace!

    • AstralProjectee

      This is suppose to be their field of expertise and if they are suppressing it, we’ll you be the judge.

      Peace!

      • jacob

        They are looking the other way,and cut of funding to future knowledge,I guess that’s what people do when they want to stay dumb and mute,I am sure Ezio Puppet has a nice house and wants to keep it, and wants to protect his cash income the snakes and puppeteers

  • daniel maris

    Very interesting and informative! There’s a lot more politics in science than either politicians or scientists like to admit.

    • Ged

      There really, really is. The climate science field especially exemplifies that problem.

      • daniel maris

        I would agree on that!

      • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

        Quite. Science hardly comes into it.