The following is a guest post written by Hank Mills.
Mother Of All E-Cat Tests Ushers World Into Nickel Age
Since the E-Cat saga began, Andrea Rossi has been continually answering people’s questions. On his Journal of Nuclear Physics site, via emails sent to him, and during interviews he responds to question after question from countless individuals. I find it very difficult to remember a time when he has not responded to my questions, even if there are certain topics he cannot address. He must be careful not to give too much critical information away in order to prevent very real competitors from using the information to figure out the technology, and try to claim it as their own.
Despite the fact he cannot tell us every little detail of how the technology works, we should be very thankful he is so communicative. Not all exotic energy inventors are so willing to engage with the public. Recently, Frank Acland and myself composed an email for Rossi, asking many different questions about the E-Cat technology. As usual, he responded promptly (the next morning) and provided all the answers he could. Some of the answers were short, but we also obtained some interesting bits of information. (Questions are listed below this article)
The most important bits of information are about the extended test of the new high temperature E-Cat.
600 Degrees C
Andrea Rossi stated in the email that the new high temperature E-Cat — that can produce 600 degree steam with a COP of 6 — has been operating continuously for 40 days. That’s right, 40 days! Forty!
Forget 18 hour tests like the one Dr. Levi performed in 2011. This test has lasted so far for 960 (nine hundred and sixty) hours, and is planned to last at least 90 days. The E-Cat has been operating non-stop producing 600 degree steam. This is big news. It should be on the front page of every newspaper in the nation, and being discussed on every news network. It means that the solution to the energy crisis is here. There is no further need for ridiculous carbon trading schemes that destroy jobs, no more need to fund hot fusion research (that has never obtained even a COP of 1.1 with billions of dollars in funding), and no need to put millions of dollars into conventional alternative energy technologies. Wind, solar, hydroelectric, geothermal, and other energy technologies are about to be obsolete. Fossil fuels are going to be considered worse than obsolete. They will belong in the fossil fuel age, not the nickel age.
With 600C steam high efficiency turbines, Stirling engines, and even thermalphotovoltaic systems can be used to produce electricity from E-Cats. Basically, the E-Cat is now capable of powering our world. It can do so without producing pollution, without producing nuclear waste, and without emitting radiation into the environment.
The technology also offers dirt cheap energy. Can you think of any other power source that could consume only 1.5 grams of a cheap substance, probably less hydrogen, and produce 10 kilowatts of output for 40 days non-stop?
Basically, with the E-Cat technology the fuel cost is a non-issue. The fuel to power your home for a year could cost less than a value meal at a fast food restaurant.
New E-Cat Details
This test is being conducted with a new model of E-Cat. The test is using a single module that contains a single reactor core. The reactor core is rated to have an output of 10 kilowatts, and a maximum safe output of 20 kilowatts. We have previously been told this reactor core is smaller than the previous version, but uses more shielding. Instead of many grams of nickel, it only uses 1.5 grams. Instead of a hydrogen canister, a small tablet is placed into the reactor that absorbs and releases hydrogen depending on the temperature.
Interestingly, atomic hydrogen is being produced both by “catalysts” (one or more chemical elements placed into the reactor core in addition to nickel and hydrogen) and by another method. Perhaps by being able to carefully control how much atomic hydrogen is generated the system can remain more stable. Perhaps this is what allows for 600C steam in a stable manner?
Like previous E-Cats, a drive has to be applied approximately half the time to keep the reactions stable. If the drive is not applied the reactor can run away, the reactor core can get too hot, the nickel can melt, and the nuclear reactions will cease. Also, a radio frequency generator is used as in previous E-Cats. Finally, it has been confirmed that copper is still the main transmutation product.
However, there are many aspects we do not understand about the new E-Cat. Rossi has claimed there have been many changes both to the design and the theory. Hopefully, in time we will learn more about these changes.
Upcoming Test Data
In a matter of weeks test data from this extended E-Cat test should be posted. In a matter of weeks the test will not be complete, but hopefully we will get test data from at least part of the test. Perhaps several days or weeks.
This test data should hopefully put to doubt any doubt in the minds of any reasonable person that the E-Cat technology works as claimed. The tests in 2011 actually proved that the technology works, but these tests should prove that the reactor is now totally STABLE at high temperatures, and can produce 600C steam temperatures over long periods of time — actually, FOREVER! (Ok, maybe the E-Cat cannot work forever. Eventually, after years of use it will need to be re-fueled, after a decade or so a part may need to be replaced, or perhaps the super high steam temperatures might do something to the metal. However, these tests indicate an E-Cat can produce high temperature steam and remain stable for a very long period of time).
E-Cat Fever is Only Starting
The E-CAT fever started with a temperature of around 100C in the year 2011. Now it has reached 600C and has been burning non-stop for 40 days. Very soon the mainstream media will be forced to take notice of this fever. When that happens, they need to give recognition to the REAL media outlets like E-CATWORLD that covered this technology when they would not! They will be forced to admit their skepticism, cynism, and ignorance allowed the alternative media to be the ones not only to break this story, but also to keep reporting about it.
While the mainstream media sleeps, the E-Cat fever will continue to spread.
Thank You Mr. Rossi
We should all be thanking Andrea Rossi for answering questions about this technology, working non-stop on it, and enduring undeserved criticism. The fact is that the E-Cat technology is the only proven, practical, robust, and high temp cold fusion technology on the planet.
Hank Mills
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Science rightly spends millions looking for extraterrestrial life beyond Alpha proxima, but refuses to look on our own doorstep.
Just another Cold Fusion to add to the list.
The True scientific method is, if you don’t like a subject, close your eyes and it will hopefully go away.
http://www.openminds.tv/french-ufo-report-081610/
This E-Cat is great news, no doubt, but the US still will be dependent on other countries for nickel.
I am not sure how much they produce each year, but they are not the top 10 countries. So, there is still a level of dependence.
Dear Robert, it is highly probable, that Ni-H gadgets as E-Cats and Hyperions NOT consume Nickel. They transmute Hydrogen to Helium. Maybe some traces of Nickel are transmuted to copper, however it is not important. CEO of Defkalion wrote in letter to customer: “….. and RENEWABLE source of energy …”.
So it is not nickel consumed.
Robert, try to do some homework before making uninformed remarks. The nickel used in the LENR process serves as a lattice host for the hydrogen reaction. It is not consumed as a fuel but acts like a many faceted container in which low temp nuclear events take place. Tungsten, Pd, Pt and other metals can also host LENR.
Ing Rossi used 1.5 grams nickel to run 600C for 40+ days. It is the 5th most abundant element on Earth.
Nickel is abundant pretty much everywhere. Since it’s only used in small quantities as a catalyst, it would probably last through the remainder of humanity’s existence.
I have been following the eCat/Rossi/Defkalion et al saga since last year.
I am disappointed that there is little factual and unbiased reporting. Hank, you write well, but you are promoting Rossi and his eCat. I understand that you want to spread the ‘good news’ but I want factual news. How many more prototypes must Rossi develop? How many more “…there will be an important announcement next week…” crap must we endure before Rossi is either hailed as a genius or exposed as a fraud.
Sometimes no information is better than stringing peopel along – that includes the sensationalist headlines. Either it works or it doesn’t. If it does, let me see and buy. If it doesn’t, go away.
James,
Totally agree with You.
I am also follow the saga for over
a year. I am stunned, that many people
who cover or comment this story
don’t live in Realville.
They don’t see or want to see the difference between
tests to prove a concept of LENR and
a test of a commercial product.
What a difficult job you have – to come up with new stories and new headlines for all of us who visit this site multiple times a day in search of fresh news. I realize it can’t happen every day, but I do want you to know how hungry we are for new stuff from you, because you are tops in this field!
From the Link bellow I can sum up some new info on Athanor Cell:
- the first entity that got in touch with Ugo Abundo to replicate his cell is a company that wants their name to be anonymous
- they finished an agreement with Ugo Abundo on May 21st to start tests as soon as possible on the FIRST replication of Athanor cell.
- Tests on Athanor REPLICA Reactor will start in June and publication of the results will be soon after.
http://translate.google.com/translate?ie=UTF8&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=it&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://22passi.blogspot.com/2012/05/breve-test-dellathanor-roma-e-caserta.html
Thanks for that update, Dragon. Let’s hope that the results of these tests don’t go ‘dark’ a few days before publication is due.
unfortunately, with the company being Anonymous, I bet all cards on the results not seeing light of day soon.
THere are 2 possibilities:
- either Athanor cell is not working good and the company does not want to look stupid by being associated with it.
- or Athanor cell show great promises and company goes on “dark” mode until is shows their first products on the market, like Defkalion.
Thanks dragon, anonymous seems to be the name of the game.
Do you think it would be worthwhile for you guys over the other side of the big Pacific pond to contact this guy , Michio Kaku . The programs I have seen on Discovery Chanel, for whom I believe he is a scientific advisor ,portray him as an open minded futurist free thinker, who would not ,i believe, routinely dismiss any logical scientific hypothesis .
Here is an excerpt from his blog :
5. What is the first thing you would make if you had your own matter-fabricator?
A. Some people may ask for diamonds, gold bullions or truckloads of cash. However, I have never desired to be wealthy. Money does not interest me. I’ve always wanted something that a replicator can never create: ideas. Wealth is something that corrupts and dies with you. But ideas can live forever and change the world.
I had thoght of broaching this subject with my local MP here in Australia who has a branch office just a few minutes distance from my residence, however I fear it would be an exercise in futility .As you may or may not know the current Government in OZ has just introduced the toughest carbon scheme in the world , which has made it hugely unpopular . In addition there is a an huge financial coal mining interests at stake . There was a news item only yesterday on how a new massive coal mine about to open ,should pull my particular State through the government deficit caused by the GFC .( The failure of your corrupt banking system )
Sounds like it won’t be too long before Oz gets its first Nuclear (fission) power stations (lucky you). Artificially squeezing out conventional generation using supposedly ‘green’ concerns as cover seems to be one of the industry’s main strategies. There never seems to be any shortage of corrupt or stupid politicians to make this possible. The market in Europe is drying up so the manufacturers urgently need to find new markets.
Peter
The Asssie goverment would never get away with building a fission reactor after Fukishima and the NZ earhquake . However we are more than happy to sell the filthy stuff to anybody who has the coin , and that includes India and China. Of course, we are asked to believe that these countries will never dream of making nuclear weapons with our particular brand of Uranium.
Except of course both India and China have no shortage of nukes already.
Forget Rossi and his secret physics defying games, keep you eye on the real scientists at NIF between now and October. The future will be built on the sweat of people like these not creatures like Rossi.
https://lasers.llnl.gov/newsroom/project_status/
NIF is very interesting, but it will be too expensive to be miniaturized for ones home use.
So, even if NIF succeeds, we are stuck with Grid. We don’t want Grid, got it? We want our own personal nuclear reactor. We want E-CAT!
most important… clean.
Don’t be silly, NIF will never, ever result in the production of electrical power. Converting that scheme into a power production device has less chance than tokamak fusion and that has almost no chance either. The NIF is mostly of use in gathering data for the testing of computer codes to simulate the behavior of atomic weapons, which is all the more reason to get rid of the NIF. I suspect you like running with what you perceive as the “big boys.”
It will be either a LENR reactor that will provide our future power or this: http://lawrencevilleplasmaphysics.com/
-> There will be( are already) significant breakthroughts and not all eggs are in one basket.
By the way, some science fiction: The (coming) Lawrenceville reactor could also work as a proton beam impulse thruster for long range spacecrafts……..
MK
Not “big boys” just proper science and scientists.
Funny joe… NIC requires 1.6MJ of laser energy to try to ignite the target. This is such an incredible high level of energy – even if it WERE to cause fusion – it takes a stadium full of billion dollar hardware – and STILL ZERO useful energy. 60 years, $$250 Billion – Hot fusion is D E A D.
What is even funnier is Rossi and his 10 dollar piece of home depot pipe will succeed where the 60 year/250Billion effort will fail. They should be spending 250Billion every year and not over 60 years on fusion.
I’ll take their reality over Rossi’s star trek fantasy any day.
Let me make it a little clearer for Joe… 1.6MJ of energy is about 280 TRILLION Watts of input power. Compared to Rossi’s e-cat that uses ~400W input power, can be built with hardware store materials, and produces minimum COP of 6.
Weather E-Cat is for real or not will come out soon.
What is going on with media is similar what happened with AC-power and AC-motor when Nikola Tesla invented it.
Westinghouse Co. and his cronies did not stop corrupting stealing and manipulating until they took that invention from him not honoring contract they have previously signed and did not pay Tesla a single cent for ingenious invention given to the world.
Just wait and see early 1900s’ repeat.
Nikola Tesla got what he deserved, such is the just fate of ego irrational people. If there is a god then Rossi should end up the same as Tesla.
Tesla stole liberally from Hippolyte Pixii, Michael Faraday and others. Standing tall on the bones of others and claiming their work as your own does not make you a great inventor.
I think there are some people who have been manipulated by the propaganda and lies spread about Rossi by certain competitors. In particular, one well known personality went out of his way to attack Rossi, and wrote countless stories trying to convince the world that the E-Cat did not work. He wrote articles with titles like, “Ten E-Cat tests and ten failures” and repetitively tried to convince the world that Andrea Rossi was a fraudster, and the E-Cat was a hoax. He dismissed the qualifications and experience of those several scientists who participated in the tests, made statements that were flat out scientifically wrong (such as trying to use input power TWICE), and even got “personal” by posting pictures of Rossi’s home.
Other cynics/skeptics followed his lead, and continued to attack Rossi. They spread lies and misinformation. The propaganda spread far and wide that somehow the tests of the E-Cat were inconclusive, did not determine anything, and showed the E-Cat did not work.
However, the opposite was true. The test proved the E-Cat was producing huge amounts of excess power. Jed Rothwell on the Vortex L site wrote hundreds of essays refuting the lies that were being told, and pointing out how the tests were successful.
Hank,
People aren’t asking for a lot. Rossi could have hooked one of his machines up and had a web cam on it 24/7 showing it was working. He has chosen not to communicate effectively with the public. He can’t blame us for not being very impressed.
His tests were all a bit ropey when you get down to it.
He really should be doing better. If he has a genuine LENR technology then his quixotic communication strategy is all the more irritating. He should be communicating effectively with people who are desperate to be convinced and to support him, instead of throwing out those stray comments on JNP.
Tell him to up his game.
Why would rossi do that? Suppose he would do everything in his power to convince people that the e-cat really works. This would lead to a sharp rise in competing developments: Every government and high tech agency would throw gazillions of money on this research and get lots of patents that would make it hard for Rossi to make this also a financial success for him.
Until rossi does not start selling the e-cat, it is much better for him if only few people believe him. Once he starts selling, believe/disbelieve is not an issue any more because people will just buy it when it works.
Listen Hank no disrespect to you but next time you see Rossi ask him the tough questions and stop believing everything he tells you.
The chances of getting a reactors of this sort to work continuously is doubtful. He may have a reaction he cannot control but I seriously doubt he has mastered control to the extent of commercialization.
I think its pretty obvious at this point that he is having problems controlling the reaction for any extended time from reactor to reactor.
Without a theory we don’t know what parameters to control and there seems to be way too many variables. Its not surprising DGT is likely ahead of him since they seem to be more of a group of physicists brainstorming while Rossi doesn’t seem like the sharing type. However even DGT is having control issues.
I don’t doubt he has a high output reaction but in the circles I run in it seems pretty evident hes still not in control but putting up a good front.
We need a real definete scientific confirmation.
we do not ask for 1MW test, 100 W test confirming without doubt Rossi tech is valid this is what we need. Rossi did open his mouth so now has to prove what he is saying is truth, is millions … trillions of dollars in the table.
So a simple well designed test will make Rossi an instant hero. and stop all speculation in this subject. “Rossi Please give us a simple real serius scientific test of your technology “
There will always be inhuman sewage masquerading as “experts” to cover the crimes of others. Those who attack cold fusion are in this category – and will hopefully elect less cowardly work.
Obama has been told about Rossi.
They are going to announce when obama’s
re election is circling the drain.
If they don’t announce you know that
Mitt Romney will be the next president.
Respect
Kim
We do not know if Obama has been told about Rossi, but it is possible. I do not think Obama has much to gain from revealing the existence of the E-Cat to the world. The fact is that Rossi has accomplished most of his work without the help of the government, but perhaps some from the military. In fact, the E-Cat is a story about how a private entrepreneur can change the world — even when the government claims their product is impossible.
If you introduce the world to
free energy, (and the time is ripe)
Guess What?
Your God, and the next president!
There is no other possibility.
Respect
Kim
The fact is that he has done nothing to help the E-Cat emerge. It would be no different than if an ET spaceship landed on the White House lawn. The President of that nation would have had nothing to do with it.
I have complete faith in
Rossi.
I’m Just biding my time until
he has all his trees in a row.
Respect
Kim
If Bushnell knows about Rossi then the presidents advisors knowbut who cares I would not bet on Rossi as first to market and even if he is he’ll probably be quickly overtaken.
Are we forgetting how much taxpayer MONEY the US Navy has thrown at LENR?? DOD?? DARPA?? NASA?? Obama doesn’t know about the single technology that will collapse the petroleum economy???
If Obama was an alien prevented by The Prime Directive from revealing working cold fusion – he’d leave it up to an Italian inventor with noble ideals and big cojones.
Hi, ya’ll
Mr. Obama say’s he’s green, and why hasn’t the global warming and environmental crowd not all over this.
VERY STRANGE, I would like for someone to interview one of them to see what they think, and if they do know about mr. Rossie, why then have they have been so silent, when anyone with half a brain could see that this would save out environment.—clovis
Clovis, global warmists are old school overseers who tried to SCAM the human race. They have been defeated. But they hate that humans are now waking up to the truth there is enough for all. Energy is ubiquitous throughout the universe and it is essentially free – if you know how to harvest it.
Hank, easy to see your view and I agree that personally I believe Rossi has the goods.
But professionally one must hold fire on total acceptance until irrefutable Evidence is forthcoming.
If we open-minded optimists, do not hold fair skepticism as good sense. then we are being as bad as the corrupt scientific administration and academia.
Only Evidence counts and not “opinion”, no matter how fair one is, the confirmation, open and public, from the people attending the tests you mention is not clear enough to pass muster.
It is important to follow indisputable Evidence or the terrible abuse of science by the establishment will continue.
They hide Evidence as the norm, we must be totally willing to look at the negative as well as the positive.
Rossi must open his doors to fair, unbiased, observers, or give details of third party’s to confirm his statements re. tests and the undergoing work and plans.
Sorry, should have gone as reply on last page.
The dozen or so tests in 2011 were more than enough proof that the E-Cat tech works. I agree that it will be great to see proof of 600C, but the fact that the E-Cat tech works and produces huge amounts of excess energy is already proven. Also, I think we can trust that Rossi is telling the truth when he claims to be producing 600C steam.
Rossi does not need to open his doors and allow excessive testing of the E-Cat. Unlike what the skeptics say, extraordinary claims do not require extraordinary evidence. It only requires a normal amount of evidence.
Why should Rossi be held to a ridiculous standard that other companies are not held to?
Also agree.
Hank we should never be at odds, I have argued strongly that the childish Dogma that science puts up as reasoning, such as, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and stupid Occam’s razor, etc. are dead-brained “expert opinion” tools that only fool the slow thinking.
We are completely on the same side, but we must just agree to disagree over the “proof” aspect.
As Cold Fusion is now proven beyond dispute and the fraud, incompetence and clear stupidity of parts of science are shown beyond dispute, we must all work with the Internet to free many other subjects where the Evidence for a phenomenon is clear and solid, but science again hides and debunks the Evidence on grounds of DOGMA alone.
Agree.
Hi, guys.
Yahooo, the good news just keeps coming.
40 days and 40 nights, was enough to float Noah boat.
That should be good enough.
Something very strange seems to be going on with the main stream press,why have they being gagged.
We need a way to take this public, chain yourself to the doors of cnn, or flagpole setting, or just buy some press time.—–smile
im sure they will write about it as soon as his research has been confirmed.
If the press had to write about every groundbreaking technology that some people claim to have developed, they wouldnt have time to write anything else.
The fact the E-Cat produces huge amounts of excess power that can only be produced from a nuclear source has already been proven. The problem is that there are skeptics out there who will deny any amount of evidence. Also, there are competitors out there who have slandered, libeled, and flat out lied about Rossi who have “muddied the waters.” Because of them, some media outlets that might cover the E-Cat are not doing so.
The skeptics are a very clever, persistent and devious bunch. Any mention of Rossi’s past is sure to throw off the majority of the media and the rest are driven away by the turgidity created by the skeptics. It will take a brave lot to address the cold fusion subject. I think it is time 60-Minutes does another piece.
Zedshort, that is why the Rebels in any subject are so valuable for the World.
This is a fringe website but one of the only places to find the TRUTH on Cold Fusion.
The same thing applies to many subjects denied and debunked by science.
Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,
pls. tell me when one can order an e-cat for a house installation (heating, warm water, electricity) ?
Where to buy ? What abt. the costs ?
Isn’t it that the dead patient “electro car” will manage now the so long expected breakthrough ?
thx !
best regards !
I do not know when a home E-Cat will be available. The last I heard Rossi had already bought all the robotics for the factory, however he is waiting on certifications. My guess is that once the certifications are obtained, it will be less than a year afterwards when you can buy a home E-Cat unit.
I think Leonardo Corporation will make deals with local heating/plumbing companies to sell and install units.
Imagine for a moment an experienced and impartial jurist is given access to the contents of this web site. He reads about “Rossi says …”, and more “Rossi says …” and so forth. He is then asked to pronounce, based on the information presented here, whether Rossi’s claims about the E-Cat is true or false. All such a person would be able to say is that the evidence in front of me is not sufficient to either declare the E-Cat a hoax or a breakthrough. Thus we are left without an answer, insufficient evidence. Posting more “Rossi says …” articles does not help us to understand whether Rossi is taking us on a joy ride through LENR land or whether he actually has made a breakthrough and we’ll all soon be able to benefit from a commercialized LENR product. I’d like to know either way; I hope the story will end positively. If the story ends negatively, then Rossi deserves the title of the hoax master of the decade.
Dream on troll.
From NASA Watch
Cold Fusion Update From LaRC
By Keith Cowing on June 6,
Keith’s note: On 26 May 2012 I posted “NASA LaRC now has its official cold fusion video online titled “Abundant Clean/Green Energy” which refers to a new form of “nuclear energy”. How do NASA’s Chief Technologist and Chief Scientist allow this stuff to be funded with taxpayer dollars without going through any of the agency’s standard peer review processes? Or do Rich Antcliff and Lesa Roe just fund this stuff with local center director’s discretionary slush funds and not tell HQ what they are doing?” I submitted a number of questions to LaRC regarding this research. I received a reply from LaRC yesterday and it is posted below.
http://nasawatch.com/archives/2012/06/cold-fusion-upd.html
Here we see the vitriol that seethes out of the old school science community. They are defensive, enraged, at the thought a technology not approved by their towers of conceit – should get any funding. That is TAXPAYER funding the elite believe they have an exclusive right to dictate and disperse.
Sheesh. American slavery ended in 1865 by passage of the Thirteenth Amendment. You’d think these elites consider the taxpayer and his tax money to be their royal property!
I put this report purely to show again the closed-minded stupidity of establishment science.
Not just Cold Fusion but many subjects where the Evidence is strong, are denied and abused by “opinion experts”, misleading the population.
It has always been a joke when the Evidence that talking to plants has a beneficial effect.
For the U.K. Prince Charles and many Truth seekers are totally exonerated and yet again proven correct.
—
Do Plants Think? Scientific American.
Scientist Daniel Chamovitz unveils the surprising world of plants that see, feel, smell—and remember.
People have to realize that plants are complex organisms that live rich, sensual lives. You know many of us relate to plants as inanimate objects, not much different from stones. Even the fact that many people substitute silk flowers for real ones, or artificial Christmas trees for a live one, is exemplary at some level of how we relate to plants. You know, I don’t know anyone who keeps a stuffed dog in place of a real one!
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=do-plants-think-daniel-chamovitz&WT.mc_id=SA_DD_20120605
I need to make a clarification for everyone.
I never said that the home E-Cat had been certified. However, Rossi is working very hard to make this happen. From what I hear he has hired a company that specializes in getting products approved and certified.
The low temperature one megawatt plants have been certified from what Rossi has said.
To answer a question, the home E-Cat is a unit that will produce 10 kW of output in the form of 80C hot water.
If a one megawatt plant has been certified wouldn’t that information be available somewhere? This would go a long way towards alleviating suspicion.
Waiting for real proof from Rossi. Feels like slow Chinese torture. Even if he has the tech, the fact that he prefers to roast us in our own juice for many months is not cool.
I am sure that if he wants, he can do something meaningful to boost our confidence. But somehow, he does not want that and it is puzzling why he will not do it for the fans, especially that we are trying to help this scientific field with our support.
The tests in 2011 were real proof the E-Cat works. Test after test were conducted utilizing….
– Different scientists.
– Different test methods.
– Different designs of E-Cats.
The tests all proved the E-Cat worked as claimed.
If Rossi is saying that he has produced 600C steam we can believe it.
Hank, I think it is pretty clear now (almost everybody is asking for it, in one way or another) that 7 months passed after the last test and we need another test. This time, even showing some new design on the box for the E-CAT 1 or at least another small test for the E-CAT 2 which will show us the progress he made, at least showing the bigger power of the E-Cat 2. Something, Anything with picture, even video.
We are going to be getting test data in the not too distant future. Although I cannot deny that I would like for there to be a new public test with a live web-cam feed, it is not really needed. Andrea Rossi already proved his technology worked in 2011, and the test data to show 600C steam is being produced is coming soon.
I am sorry Hank but there were no tests 2011. There were demonstrations. Some might call them even stage shows.
Did the scientists attending this events run the tests? Did they actually have anything to say? Where are their test reports?
Some might claim their only purpose was to make the demonstrations look legit, to pimp the show.
The Rossi story seems to be a case of: “If something sounds too good to be true…”
Please notice that I am not denying the possibility of LENR. And I’ll be pleased to see the e-cat on the market. Although I doubt there will be one. But that is just speculation on my side.
Well said. I for one would like to see evidence of such an independent test by reputable and qualified persons, with published procedures, and test results. There may have indeed been tests by some individuals but the tests procedures, participants, and results are private, which is the way I think Rossi prefers it to be.
There were indeed tests in 2011. To say otherwise is to lie.
During the tests input power was measured, the device was allowed to run, the output power was measured, the math was done, and the COP was calculated. That sounds like a test to me!
I think there are some people who have been manipulated by the propaganda and lies spread about Rossi by certain competitors. In particular, one well known personality went out of his way to attack Rossi, and wrote countless stories trying to convince the world that the E-Cat did not work. He wrote articles with titles like, “Ten E-Cat tests and ten failures” and repetitively tried to convince the world that Andrea Rossi was a fraudster, and the E-Cat was a hoax. He dismissed the qualifications and experience of those several scientists who participated in the tests, made statements that were flat out scientifically wrong (such as trying to use input power TWICE), and even got “personal” by posting pictures of Rossi’s home.
Other cynics/skeptics followed his lead, and continued to attack Rossi. They spread lies and misinformation. The propaganda spread far and wide that somehow the tests of the E-Cat were inconclusive, did not determine anything, and showed the E-Cat did not work.
However, the opposite was true. The test proved the E-Cat was producing huge amounts of excess power. Jed Rothwell on the Vortex L site wrote hundreds of essays refuting the lies that were being told, and pointing out how the tests were successful.
Hank,
I appreciate your posts and your energy in this topic. However, you seem to have drank the proverbial cool-aid about E-Cat validation.
Yes there were many “test” last year where credible people were present and said, “yea it works”. That in itself is somewhat promising I agree.
The issue is there is no hard data, independent verification, simple test methods to clearly show excess energy on commercialized scale (keeping water in liquid phase etc).
The panoply of inconsistencies and un-truths over the last year mixed with his questionable history makes jumping head first into being his biggest promoter and extolling his great success seem preposterous to me.
Just my opinion,
BW
Andrea Rossi
June 6th, 2012 at 8:22 AM
Dear Gillana:
I said we are going to give important information regarding the high temperature reactors, but not this week. We are completing our tests: matter of a couple of weeks.
The earthquake did not stop our work, luckily. We continued to work.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
Couple of weeks … great. He is really not helping the optimists. Giving us a knife for a gun fight.
That was no ordinary earthquake in Italy; Rossi fired up the e-ZILLA! Be afraid oil barons, drop the price of our gas now (worth a shot)!
Personally speaking I hope that Rossi succeeds in his efforts that will make good competitions and a better place for this type of technology.
I wish him the very best as well as Defkalion
If only Defkalion had paid Rossi when they were supposed to (instead of being months late) the split would have never happened. Sadly, Defkalion now tries to blame Rossi in order to hide the fact they did not live up to their side of the deal.
Hey, Defkalion are Greeks, so they don’t have money. They never had. And then the banks went dark on them…
I appreciate your article Hank, but what is confusing for many of us right now is even Cold Fusion researchers are making skeptical comments about other CF researchers, and putting them down as well. Even A. Rossi said “…the ridiculous theories coming from the “papers” of Widom, Larsen and accolites:” How are we to feel about the hopeful video that we saw last week from Bushnell and Zawodny?
I want to believe, but a lot of people want you to believe what they say, whether it’s science or religion. The truth should be able to be scrutinized. At this point I’m holding out for verification.
As far as tops on the noble path- Pirelli High.
Barry, the game is divisive and artificial. Due largely to a century (or more) of deceit, corruption, skullduggery, etc. You live in a world built on sham, and deception. It is an unholy conflagration of egos, fear, and fiefdoms. Treachery, paranoia and secrecy infect the entire community – one that relies not on willing, open consent of its recruits, but on lies, trickery and exploitation.
Frankly, this world is undeserving of a gift as good as cold fusion. It hasn’t yet learned to obtain informed consent, or to make amends, or clean its side of the street – why should divine give it anything more than spit?
Is it really so odd these infantile factions of sling mud at each other? They reap the deceit they sew. Others call it karma.
Little question the clans opposed to cold fusion – are an immoral, corrupt lot. They have squandered $$$ billions over 60 years on hot fusion and delivered NOTHING of useful energy. Yet these clans, and their accessories in oil and utility industries – hire hoards of skeptopathic halfwits to misdirect the public on the value of this clean/green abundant energy source.
The French beheaded the self-indulgent aristocrats that corrupted their society after their revolution. The corrupt industrial and academic clans should gravely consider their similar fate.
Honest I., There is Darkness but there is also Light. In the world and in each indivisual. I can’t just focus on the darkness or my soul tends to close in on itself.
The Widom Larsen crowd is the group doing most of the insulting and damage in the cold fusion community. One of the main supporters of WL has been going on the warpath for years, attacking anyone who does not worship the theory. Also, the NASA folks are obsessed with the theory, because they can falsely deny that “cold fusion” is taking place. They can say only “neutron capture” is occurring. That way they can try to spin the launch of cold fusion technologies in a way that may trick the public into not realizing that NASA and the rest of the scientific community are the ones that ignored this tech for decades.
By the way, it was the WL folks who attacked Rossi first. About a year ago someone asked on the Journal of Nuclear Physics if his theory was related to WL theory, and he said it was not. Suddenly, a certain WL proponent started his year long attack on Rossi. Also, the NASA folks have criticized Rossi, because they do not want him to be the one to introduce cold fusion tech to the world. They want to control the launch of cold fusion, so they can spin it the way they want.
The fact is that the public should be outraged at the scientific community, many academic institutions, and many governments for ignoring (sometimes actively trying to attack) this technology over the last 20 years.
WL theory has been credibly eviscerated by Peter Thieberger Senior Scientist Brookhaven Nation Lab. It’s an agency power play destined to make NASA look ignorant.
@ Barry & Hank
I don’t have problem’s with the different theories. Each theory/process described by it’s Label, LENR, LENT, etc… All seem to have some merit & thou similar are different. Each process Casts-off different elements or mutations depending on different factors. H+NI/PD/??
As for them sniping at each other, Don’t let it rattle you. It means nothing as far as the technology is concerned. Competing Entities snipe at each other all the time.
There’s another possibility for the sniping. If 1 should foul up & go down in flames, It reduces the damage to their project. They do after all have different theories/labels & had after all pointed out flaws in the others theory. Like preemptive collateral damage control.
As for the different theories, you have to start somewhere. They may all be right or wrong or something else. Rossi says his theory has changed with additional knowledge & is totally different from where it started.
More Excellent Reporting by Frank Acland and Hank Mills – asking real questions and getting Rossi to answer, soon the World will Cold Fusion is very real.
He must have a battery of scientists behind him, he is moving so fast. The question is: who is delivering those white coats?
I would like to know who is in those white coats.
Find out their previous experience and we would have a lead on what science is being applied to design and make the catalyst. Is it physical chemistry? Nuclear physics? Would just research into catalyst chemistry be adequate? All of these? None of these? Rossi has a lab and technicians somewhere doing that work? Who, where, what, how?
Inquiring minds still want to know!
Donnie and Marie look wide-eyed into camera and say, “You think they’re angels??? Golly, gee, this isn’t Kansas.”
Rosemary Ainslie, a little while ago was lamenting not being able to get her groups papers published by “science” journals, now after being accepted by Rossi’s JONP it is being discussed with all the attention it deserves.
If it turns out to be important, or in error, only free, open analysis without any dumb, “expert opinion” will show it.
Rossi is showing science, the way.
Agree. I emailed Dr Ainslie through her blog with the suggestion she look at publishing in JONP a long time ago – I expect many others did to.
LOL I am going to be laughing when Rossi is on 60 minutes in the future talking about “sakes” and “clowns”. LOL
Peace!
I hope and prey he doesn’t do that.
Don’t leave out “puppet” for god’s sake.
I hope he gives out names of those who attacked him, so they can be ostracized from civilization for all time. The fact is there are certain competitors out there who are attacking him publicly, when privately they know the technology works.
Het fundament onder de E_CAT is Ni>Cu het bewijs van
structuur verandering in de massa Ni> Cu is aangetoond.
De beheersing van deze energie explosie via regulering van H automatisch! vanuit het gesloten A-CAT proces is een logisch gevolg.
Deze belangrijke technische gegevens zetten mijn vertrouwen in de E-CAT op 100%
Laat de media maar blunderen Dr Rossi gaat steeds meer glunderen.
One day science will wake up to the fact that everything is Quantum, we know nothing, anything is possible when science follows Fact and Evidence and not classical 19th century religious Dogma.
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Splitting the Unsplittable: Physicists Split an Atom Using Quantum Mechanics Precision
ScienceDaily (June 5, 2012)
The Bonn scientists working with Prof. Dr. Dieter Meschede from the Institute for Applied Physics of the University of Bonn succeeded in keeping a single atom simultaneously in two places that were more than ten micrometers, or one hundredth of a millimeter, apart. This is an enormous distance for an atom. Afterwards, the atom was put back together undamaged.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120605102807.htm
A remarkable feat.
I also like the one where they slow light down to walking speed and then to a dead halt in a special material. That might be a way of storing energy in the future I guess.
“Light of Other Days” (1966), by Bob Shaw.
Nice article on that for those who are ‘mathematically challenged’ like myself: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/18/AR2007011801683.html
Good one Peter.
Of course the thought does occur that we are like children playing with matches. Sir Martyn Rees might be right about our chances of survival being v. slim. Accidental self-inflicted extinction might be why we don’t see anyone else in the cosmos.
daniel, come on, optimism, we have survived this far against terrible odds sometimes.
There is much good in the World, sometimes one has to look for it.
You don’t see anybody else if you only believe Establishment brainwashing.
Look at the good solid Evidence from many Rebel scientists, politicians, armed forces personnel, pilots, etc. etc.
Like with Cold Fusion you will only find the Truth on fringe Websites like this one.
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New French aerospace report endorses reality of UFOs.
http://www.openminds.tv/french-ufo-report-081610/
George,
You are free to be as optimistic as you like, but since we are travelling around a very young star, and since there are billions upon billions of planets conducive to life in the cosmos, there should in theory already be civilisations that have been around for hundreds of millions of years, during which time they should have developed pan-galactic travel and spread civilisation throughout their neighbourhoods. The cosmos should be teeming with evidence of life…
But it ain’t there.
Either the aliens are deliberately fooling us – putting up some sort of projection for our benefit (seems a bit unlikely) or there are no civilisations to speak of…they must all be at about our level or below. In which case, no UFOs.
daniel, thanks, but I will continue to only be influenced by Evidence, as I have given you above.
Opinion is pointless, the reasons “why” I have no idea, but things either are or they are not and only open-minded following of Evidence has any meaning.
If after reading the Evidence you see no reason to do more research, I find that strange.
Perhaps the correct conclusion should be that any civilization that becomes interstellar travel capable is intentionally destroyed, by the “first” civilization, to protect its turf, so to speak. Take a lesson from the behavior of people on this planet. Maybe xeno-paranoia is the common condition.
If a member of the Royal Society of 1800 was looking out for beacons or smoke signals to betray the presence of ‘people’ on other planets he would have as much luck as we do looking for signals in the hydrogen absorption band, or any other radio wavelength. Point is ‘they’ would regard radio as we regard semaphore – we probably need to be looking for something we are not even aware of yet.
Peter – True but on the other hand if intelligent civilisation is that easy to get going, there ought to be a full range of civilisations co-existing around the cosmos, including many in our stage of development. And don’t forget that the radio signals from our stage of development carry on for billions of years passing through the cosmos.
Personally I think the Sagan-type calculations may be on the optimistic side. True there are at least 100,000 million stars in our galaxy, and most probably have planets, but it is possible that intelligence combined with hands or equivalent is much rarer than supposed. Not only that but the lifespans of technical civilisations may be fairly short. Without new energy sources ours would probably would have been gone in a century or two, and unlimited population growth could cancel that gain. If the lifespan of such a civilisation is measured in centuries rather than tens of millennia, the chances of two occuring in the same stellar vicinity at the same time may be slight.
The fact is that the ETs are visiting our planet right now. There are countless UFO sightings every year. 90% of them are misidentifications, but some of them are real. These UFO sightings have been taking place for the last several thousand years. If only a tiny percentage of them are ETs, then it means our universe is teeming with life.
Since others discuss life in the universe I dare also… I believe in a sharp Fermi paradox: either the universe is full of intelligent life which is too wise and advanced for us to see, or life exists only on earth. The path from bacteria to man is straight and plausible, but the birth of life is a complete mystery and might be an arbitrarily rare event.
Lets see what we find on Europa!
From daily Grail
Posted by Greg at 01:57, 06 Jun 2012
Why can’t we find evidence for extraterrestrial intelligence? The following video animation by Andrew Park is a fairly basic primer on the Fermi Paradox, but is probably a handy starting point for further discussion of the question of whether we are truly ‘alone’ in our galaxy:
Given the vast number of planets in the universe, many much older than Earth, why haven’t we yet seen obvious signs of alien life? The potential answers to this question are numerous and intriguing, alarming and hopeful.
http://www.dailygrail.com/2012/6/What-Cant-We-Find-Evidence-Alien-Intelligence
I think the countless UFO sightings over the past several thousand years prove that ETs are visiting our planet. I do not think all of the sightings are extraterrestrials, but there have been so many of them I think it is likely that at least some of them are.
“we are like children playing with matches.” Especially since the matter in the Universe only composes about 5% of the Universe. The rest is Dark Matter and Dark Energy. Perhaps the state of that 5% is difficult to maintain and those ‘strangelets’ or ‘black holes’ are the normal state. Some of our experiments may endanger that rare matter. ” ULM neutrons in LENR have huge DeBroglie wavelengths because they are formed collectively in many-body surface “patches” of protons or deuterons. Depending on the size of a particular “patch”, ULMN wavelengths can be as large as 50,000 to 100,000 Angstroms. No joke. By comparison, a free neutron passing through condensed matter would typically have a wavelength of ~ 2 Angstroms. So the capture cross sections for ULM neutrons on many “target” isotopes is orders of magnitude larger than for neutrons at thermal energies. ”
The above quote is from:
http://www.bautforum.com/archive/index.php/t-114673.html?s=4429db0f781aa100f22d1baf87102c1a
Also, google “nanospire le clair de broglie matter waves”
This only seems odd to those subscribing to particle theory. If you consider all matter constructed from a wave function – this is rather plausible.
Hank, you are making the page very lively, well done.
Must say as one of the strongest supporters of fair, open-minded, non-abusive, give any Rebel scientist outside of the establishment all the help we can and never prejudge–
That one still cannot say with certainty that Rossi or Defkalion have what they say.
Fair optimism works both ways, one never prejudges but also one cannot except anything until proven beyond doubt. (fair skepticism)
The last thing needed is any academic or establishment, “expert opinions” about if the E-CAT works, I would not trust anything they say about anything.
We just need a few honest unbiased plumbers and fellow Rebel scientists to confirm publicly that everything is as advertised.
Agreed on all points, George. Hank, thanks for the update. Sorry that you and Sterling fell out. I notice he has moved Rossi back into his top five so it appears he has — wisely and to his credit — second-guessed his own over-emotional rejection of Rossi some time back. It remains to be seen (for most of us anyway) how fully Rossi can deliver, but the signs at present certainly look good, and I think that both he and Defkalion (despite the perhaps inevitable conflict) may well deliver (not to mention other players exploring the same new territories in science). Not a minute to soon.
Rossi has what he claims. The E-Cat technology has been tested over and over again. There were a dozen or more successful tests in 2011 that the public were were told about. These tests utilized different scientists observing, participating, and doing calculations. In addition, different types of tests were performed (both tests that produced steam and hot water as an output). Different models of E-Cats were also tested.
The tests were a success.
Also, there were many private tests before 2011 that were successful. Defkalion, Ampenergo, the DOD, the DOE, and other entities tested the E-Cat. These tests were also a success.
Hank mentioned to his knowledge the home e-cat has been certified. At the lower temps. That’s fine. I suspect a separate product for high temp home use will need separate cert. Since this will essentially be a Combined Heat and Power device eliminating pollution – it is eligible for tax breaks and subsidies in many climate-wary nations.
Was it the home E-cat really, or maybe it was the industrial one. Perhaps Hank could comment.
I have been corrected Pekka. It IS the 1MW unit that is cleared for industrial use. Pardon my confusion.
Would it be cheap enough to convert lead into gold? That would be interesting to see play out.
Peace!
That is efficiently of course.
Peace!
If everyone can produce gold then what value would it have?
None, As even Manufacturers would have it as a byproduct.
Gold would still have the value of the materials transmuted, plus processing costs etc. Say four or five time the value of copper? Also, new uses would probably be found for it, increasing demand.
Hey Pete
My train of thought was if Itel was using LENR to power their plants, They would already have the Gold in house for their Microchips as a by-product/waste.
Others looking at this, Their looking at getting Rich. But then everyone would already have it.
But I agree. It will have some value or use. But nobody will get rich.
Also, I read an article a while back that some in Nanotechnology research thought it might be possible in 20 years or so to produce more then we would ever need for Near zero cost.
“Indisputable proof” will be a great step. I hope the tests are being done in such a way as to leave no cracks and is published by people with an “indisputable reputation”. Not a Rossi says type of report.
OMG! The November elections. If the buyer of the 1MW unit was the Navy, the administration could be holding Rossi from doing a big reveal with third party validations until October. Then, with everything a ‘go’ he would be given permission to show everything, and the President could later have a big press conference saying what a game changer it will be, and express gratitude the US bought the first one and would buy many more. It would validate his alternative energy policy and shake up the political world.
When lipstick is put on a pig, what do you have?
A pig that looks like lipstick was put on it.
Moral of the story?
The only people who will believe Obama about anything, will believe anything.
Unfortunately we now live in a world where the last sentence is true of almost any politician. It is usually a case of voting for the least worst option unless you are lucky enough to have an exception on your ticket.
The reason the political slogan of the day is, “Elect Better Actors.”
LOL I am going to be laughing when Rossi is on 60 minutes in the future talking about “sakes” and “clowns”. LOL
Peace!
Sorry wrong spot I’ll repost. That was the website codes fault.
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It’s been stated by a couple visitors, that many business & military types have been present around the 1Mw E-cat.
Considering all the News about the U.S. military Being under Extreme pressure to find different & sustainable energy sources, It’s highly probable that the U.S. Navy is the secret customer. Considering LENR is still quite Controversial, They wouldn’t want it made public until it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt & capable of fulfilling all there primary needs.(Electric generating ability.) Solyndra Complex.
They’ve also recently been told (By Congress) that replacement energies must be competitive or cheaper then present sources. This narrows their options quite a bit. Bio-fuels are more expensive & solar & wind aren’t dependable or cheap. This pretty much promotes nuclear of some sorts. LENR if optimized fills all the requirements & more. But, they won’t go public until they have all the t’s crossed & I’s dotted. (NOTE: Every NAVY Capital ship burns 2K to 6K Gallons an hour at seas multiplied by about 400 Ships.)
Navel personnel have also been associated with Black Light Power & Brillouin Energy. Brillouin just received 2 million in funding in a Deal with SRI who is also involved in LENR. SRI is Also receiving funding by DARPA. It would appear that the U.S. Government is silently getting into the LENR act when this is coupled with the NASA funding.
All these entities have been reported to had visitors From the Military, NASA, AND the BIG Corporate World. Large Power producers/utilities, GE, EXXON, BP, Amoco, Shell, among others.
There’s definitely things going on behind the scene.
MY Opinion. There making preparation for transition & Dibbling up the PIE.
Corporations do work together in this Fashion contrary to mainstream thinking. They set standards & market share etc…
I did some calculations a while back on present NAVEL propulsion systems verses Rossi’s proposed 45Mw E-cat. Initial costs would be higher. Size would be larger. But overall cost & efficiency gains made it very viable. Size would be offset by drastic reductions in fuel containment volume. Ship cost could be scaled down in size. Operation cost reductions in manpower & fuel costs along with less support ships necessary.
Now, With Rossi’s new core(at 600`C) replacing 3 to 6 of the present cores, You’ll have smaller E-cat power plants & most likely price reduction. Your probably looking at being able to change out (Retrofit) current Propulsion systems with modifications instead of incorporating this technology in New purpose built Ships.
Just replacing the engines in all the Maritime ships in the world-50K(Not including Military vessels) would be the equivalent of removing 300 Million cars from the Road.
Another possible Cost Savings. Changing 1 core refill verses changing 3 to 6.
I think this interest has been apparent for some time. Unfortunately, neither the military nor the corporate energy sector are characterised by their social responsibility. The ‘black hole’ beckons, and small scale/personal LENR power generation systems are becoming about as likely as fairies.
I agree that’s very possible.
I believe it will come out big commercially and once done will be regulated away from the individuals by those large entities.
Then again, It could be like whack-a-mole. One day they’ll miss.