Austin, Texas based National Instruments holds and Annual NIWeek event which features a plethora of presentations, workshops and training sessions. This year’s event is going to feature a presentation on LENR from Akito Takahashi, Senior Adviser at Technova Inc. in Japan. Takahashi is a retired professor from Osaka University and has been involved in research in the hot and cold fusion fields for many years.
NI was for a time involved in providing consulting to Andrea Rossi, and although the relationship never became permanent, it looks like NI is maintaining an interest in the LENR field.
Below are details about the session which are found in the catalog for the week.
http://secure.niweek.com/2012/scheduler/public.jsp
NI WEEK 2012 TS9240 Technical Session 8/8/12 (Wednesday 8th) 3:30 PM – 4:00 PM Ballroom E
Status of CMNS/CF/LENR Research at Kobe-Technova
Title: Status of CMNS/CF/LENR Research at Kobe-Technova
Length: 30 Minute
Technical Level: Introductory
Abstract: The Kobe-Technova team has worked to elucidate the underlying physics of anomalous heat evolution effects in deuterium (D) and protium (H) gas-loaded nano-metal-compound systems. Basic tools are the twin D(H) gas-loading equipment and the supporting theoretical modeling by the TSC multibody fusion theory. Using various Pd-based and Ni-based nanofabricated samples, the team has reproducibly observed anomalous heat effects with isotopic differences using time-dependent (dynamic) data of thermal-power evolutions, D(H)/metal-atom loading ratios, and their temperature dependence (for Ni-based cases).
NIWeek Speaker: Akito Takahashi
Senior Adviser
Technova Inc.
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This blog seems like it’s getting bigger and bigger, interestingly and especially because we don’t have any real tests or evidence. That is not to say that it’s not true. Certainly people are interested.
Peace!
Huh? IF there were no “real tests or evidence” Astral, why would:
NASA Langley
NASA Glenn
NASA Marshall Space Flight
Naval Research Laboratory
Navy SPAWAR
MIT
CERN
Toyota
Ames Research Center
National Instruments
SRI Intl.
Energetics Inc.
University Milan
University Illinois
University Missouri
University Purdue
University Bologna
University Palermo
Italian ENEA
USA DARPA
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries
University Kobe
Rowan University
U.S. DIA
etc. etc. etc…
be devoting, time, effort and funds to it? We are WELL past denial of LENR and on to ways to make it benefit mankind.
Sorry when I said that, I meant right now we don’t have any tests out right now at the moment that where done by people other than the owners themselves (eg Rossi) but independent testing.
I am still a big of supporter CF.
Peace!
Science at it’s best.
Another 20 million spent to tell us that having a couple of drinks can make people more sociable.
My admiration is unbounded.
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Science News
… from universities, journals, and other research organizations
Moderate Doses of Alcohol Increase Social Bonding in Groups
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ScienceDaily (June 29, 2012) — A new study led by University of Pittsburgh researchers reveals that moderate amounts of alcohol — consumed in a social setting — can enhance positive emotions and social bonding and relieve negative emotions among those drinking.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/06/120629211854.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29
In my opinion they give out a bad data reading. In fact it’s the opposite: it is social bonding that produce alcohol consumption.
Improved heat dissipation on nano-rough surfaces
Written by David Chandler Saturday, 30 June 2012 06:42
News – Nano News
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Cooling systems that use a liquid that changes phase — such as water boiling on a surface — can play an important part in many developing technologies, including advanced microchips and concentrated solar-power systems. But understanding exactly how such systems work, and what kinds of surfaces maximize the transfer of heat, has remained a challenging problem.
Now, researchers at MIT have found that relatively simple, microscale roughening of a surface can dramatically enhance its transfer of heat. Such an approach could be far less complex and more durable than approaches that enhance heat transfer through smaller patterning in the nanometer (billionths of a meter) range. The new research also provides a theoretical framework for analyzing the behavior of such systems, pointing the way to even greater improvements
http://www.nanomagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1733%3Aimproved-heat-dissipation-on-nano-rough-surfaces&catid=38%3Anano-news&Itemid=159
“Rossi Tells Oilprice dot com 1 MW Plant Will Soon Be Opened to Public” Mar 30 2012
This is a nice video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykXtTzo1hLY&feature=g-vrec
He uses frequencies of 42.6-43khz and see the blue color at 6:00 +
That reminds me of Plasmerg. If this Video is LENR then Plasmerg could be true.
Another fascinating development signalling BIG players publicly entering the LENR arena, is this July 2nd Conference in Rome:
“TOWARD A CLEAN ENERGY REVOLUTION”
- organized by Honourable Dominic Scilipoti and sponsored by University Palermo. The goal is to push for immediate acceleration of research funding for cold fusion. The speakers include both politicians and respected scientists. Featured will be Franceso Celani of Frascati National Laboratories at the Institute of Nuclear Physics (INFN), Prof. Alberto Carpinteri, President INRIM, and from industry National Instruments’ Dr. Stephen Concezzi Director of Science and Big Physics, and former instrumentation contractor to Leonardo Inc.
The fact the National Instruments is taking a public position on cold fusion now, and recent disclosures of Siemens AG work with Rossi, suggest a real escalation in commercial LENR. Either one of these companies has the technical and engineering knowledge to bring LENR to a global level. NI might be positioning itself as the go-to LENR instrumentation company. After all, they build equipment for CERN, particle accelerators, fusion reactors (ITER), and big telescopes. They have a strong reputation.
When politicians, reporters, and scientists convene in the halls of government – it is usually to push a new agenda. Looks like the Honourable Dominic Scilipoti is taking the “Clean Energy Revolution,” and running with it.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EpCqFCbPLwo/T-yUZos1WrI/AAAAAAAAG7I/1ruH74RXZyw/s1600/PosterA3.jpeg
“… and recent disclosures of Siemens AG work with Rossi …”
Can you show me any press-release / anouncement etc from Siemens, where Siemens (not Rossi!) states that they are in business (‘work’) with Rossi?
I guess you could e-mail them and ask? Could be interesting to see if they’d even respond.
I didn’t say that Siemens ‘works’ with Rossi. So, why should I ask Siemens? Shouldn’t this be the duty of the claimant – before he writes such statements?
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iltamtam.it%2FGenerali%2FEconomia-e-Lavoro%2FCe-l-E-Cat-di-Rossi-dietro-il-divorzio-Angelantoni-Siemens.aspx
Iltamtam.it wrote an article about that speculation.
That’s just wild speculation by someone, not any statement by Siemens, and for sure not any confirmation from Siemens.
It’s like HomeDepot puts some conventional boilers on sale, and someone would speculate that HomeDepot prepares for the sale of e-cats!
Btw: Why should Siemens acquire for 470 Mio Euros a company specialised in equipment needed for the exploitation of offshore oil and gas fields, when the oil and gas energy business is suspected to become obsolete soon, because of LENR ?
Here the link to a ‘real’ Siemens press-release:
http://www.siemens.com/press/en/events/2012/corporate/2012-03-pk.php
I emailed Siemans about their connection to A. Rossi. Got passed on from one person to another and ended with a peson who seemed to be from India or someplace. Got nowhere.
Siemens President and CEO Peter Löscher, had this to say re disruptive technologies:
“Increasingly, those key scientific ideas will be coming from collaboration outside the corporate walls. I have found out that disruptive technology is happening anywhere in the world — big and small but usually fast, creative and innovative. Consider that 90% of the innovation agenda is happening outside of any organization. So you have to make sure that your business is truly connected.”
NI again? And how much sceptical energy was expended on convincing us they had no interest in LENR?
Is it possible that our Frank is paying Defkalion, NI, Siemens, Rossie etc. for all their time keeping up the scam, just to keep us watching his webpage.
You forgot the question mark.
Hi Filip. ?
To me Frank looks much more trustworthy than AR, it’s thru Frank I take AR seriously.
Hey Filip, I was joking?
I know
, me too!
Greets
I dunno, he does seem like a pretty cunning fellow!
Can you show me any press-release / anouncement from Siemens, where Siemens ( not Rossi!) states that they are in business with Rossi?
I guess you even will not find any statement from Siemens which indicates that they are in any way involved in LENR.
(by another Frank – not the admin)
Frank, sorry but I do not follow every twist and turn to the story.
Quite happy to just observe the macro situation and wait for confirming events, either way.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iltamtam.it%2FGenerali%2FEconomia-e-Lavoro%2FCe-l-E-Cat-di-Rossi-dietro-il-divorzio-Angelantoni-Siemens.aspx
Iltamtam.it wrote an article about that speculation.
As you write: Speculation! Actually I would call it ‘wild speculation’ – for sure not a confirmation by Siemens.
Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn.
I would say YES, George, but Frank has not monetized this site. In that case, motivation would be to support a good cause. Admirable.
Anything is possible. If a relationship like that exists it would more likely be Rossi, DGT et al paying Frank to keep intrest rolling. When this story concludes I think Frank will have enough material to write a fairly unbiased book on what went down.
Can’t wait for somebody to write a book on Cold Fusion’s success called “Rossi Says”.
“Low Energy Nuclear Reaction the Realism and Outlook” By Dennis Bushnell Chief Scientist NASA Langley
Defkalion:
<When those results are available, we shall present them in the appropriate forum.
Sounds like ICCF-17
I hope so.
Less than five months left for the european E-Cat patent?
Leonardo Corporation: “Enquiry as to when a communication from the Examining Division can be expected”
http://tinyurl.com/73zyevk
European Patent Office: “Response to enquiry for communication from the Examining Division”
http://tinyurl.com/c97e2yh
Interesting. Thanks.
This is a good news with more cos joining the LENR research. This page states that Technova is in cold fusion field: http://www.technova.co.jp/english/services/index.html
I’m just guessing that they are collaborating with NI on this and thus were invited to present there as a partner or client. Of course, actual relation will be known after the event.
What makes this all fun – in a triumphant kind of way, is watching individuals, companies, government agencies, scientists, and academics peek out from behind the energy iron curtain (thanks PM Churchill.) Do not doubt my friends, it is with YOUR help and concern that this is manifest.
“Our past and ongoing experiences include research on fossil resources, renewable resources, cold fusion, superconductivity technologies, hydrogen energy technologies, and hydrate technologies.” Technova Inc. Services
And isn’t it appropriate for F&P that the term “cold fusion” remains the popular description.
It is shaping up to be a very good year. Watching significant history being made is a rare opportunity. I dare to hope.
Stephen, That is a very good point you have made.
To be alive and following this real living history if it pans out well,is not suppressed makes it to the history books is a pretty special opportunity!!!
GreenWin, Love your quotes.
The old iron curtain was “From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic”
The Cold Fusion iron curtain, has run all around the World.
Watching freedom appear is Wonderful.
And the winner of the Cold Fusion War is…
Less than five months left for the european E-Cat patent?
Leonardo Corporation: “Enquiry as to when a communication from the Examining Division can be expected”
http://tinyurl.com/73zyevk
European Patent Office: “Response to enquiry for communication from the Examining Division”
http://tinyurl.com/c97e2yh
Defkalion press release today:
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/news
Interesting. This shows they are having trouble. Probably stability and reproducibility to a high enough standard. The two things that have endlessly plagued the LENR field.
It’s good they are working so hard to make the results unequivocal. There is a lot of resistance they have to overcome, so their data must be iron clad, and I think they know this.
Well if that is the case then they have previously overstated their progress. They can’t have it both ways.
What exactly do you see was overstated?
From what we know, Defkalion had a slew of independent testers in April. Instead of releasing those results, they went quiet. What results did leak out for us to see, though very blurry, did show excess energy, but also not in a very stable fashion.
This press release is completely in line with what we know and should have been expecting since April. It also does not yet threaten their August time table.
But I’d be watching closely. Defkalion has always been high ambitious.
I have the feeling that all Commercial LENR prognosticators are overstating their results and progress.
BW
Point out directly what overstatments of progress you mean.
Motorola said they would have ICS released to the Droid RAZR back in April, that slipped to the beginning of June. That then slipped to the end of June between the 18th to 30th. We still do not have a full OTA roll out as of today.
Has Motorola been overstating its results and progress of its ICS development for its RAZR phone product?
Not trying to defend Defkalion, but trying to understand what you even mean by “overstate” in the context of businesses in general.
Also, your comment is so highly similar to daniel mars, in content and style, that I am unfortunately suspicious of you both now.
Ged,
I mean exactly the example you gave about Motorola. They stated they would be out in April even though for whatever reason they were not ready by April.
My statement was that to me it seems that all Commercial LENR, (brillion, Rossi, Defkalion etc), are overstating their progress, results and commercial readiness. Rossi’s time slips and sloppy testing methods are classic examples of this. I do not mean to impune Rossi but a man of his intelligence is surely aware that to make a statement of world changing revolutionary breakthrough will require scientific rigor.
Defkalion? Weren’t they ready to be independently validated back in Feb? I agree that we can speculate why they went silent to the tune of “it worked so good they had to keep quiet” or any other such story but the truth is we know nothing. Some of the speculation I read on this board reminds me of biblical scholars research the bible and glean higher meaning from the writings of bronze age writers.
So since these entities have claimed various levels of commercial readiness and no such object has materialized they have all been overstated.
I have no interest in your suspicions.
Thank you for your comments,
BW
The problem is, however, none of them have claimed they are releasing right now. None of them have slipped by a release date for the actual product to be purchaseable–yet.
In that regard, none of them have done what Motorola, or Sony, or Microsoft, or ASUS, or NVIDIA (especially NVIDIA), or any other company on this planet has often done when they say they will have a product out by so and so a date, and they fail to deliver for up to months.
You cannot overstate if you have not set a date for release.
It’s kinda like arm chair quarterbacking. They give us updates on their progress, and if there’s any changes deviating from exactly the path we want, that makes it an “overstatement”?
I am just not so sure that is a realistic assessment. And I am harsh enough on Defkalion for their antics as it is.
Ged,
Which press release did you read?
my version says, paraphrased:
You haven’t heard from us in a while. This is an update: We are doing thorough analysis of materials as well as flow calorimetry and we use 3rd pary laboratories and engineers to verify everything. This will take time.
Why or from what sentence or words do you conclude they are having trouble?
Look at the second to last paragraph where they say “Outside scientists and engineers are measuring the input power as well as our flow calorimeter output performance. All these results will be presented when we are confident that they will withstand the scrutiny demanded by our own interests in product development, and the scrutiny of our customers.”
In business speak, it means they are not yet satisfied with the confidence of their data. That would only be so if the data is being problematic to stabilize and/or replicate. Especially since this testing has been going on since April or longer.
You may be right, but I’m not really convinced.
They say they are using outside help because they want the highest standards in measurements. Makes sense to me.
What do others think?
To demonstrate commercial reliability many months of continuous running without fail seems a logical requirement. There hasn’t been enough time for a convincing demonstration of commercial reliability maybe.
It’s true I am taking it in the harshest way I can. It’s just how I’ve come to learn to read press release speak.
But maybe it is far better off than it appears.
It looks as if it goes according to plan, Defkalion said that third parties would first perform measurements of the radiation, then they would perform flow calorimetry.
I don’t see them having trouble. They say they still don’t know exactly what the reaction is. So this is a good way to find out.
And we can not see from the published pictures any stability or unstability.
DEFKALION STATUS UPDATE
Following our absence from the public sphere, the following is a status update:
We are conducting analyses of our materials using XRF and ICP-MS. We are committed that this analysis be done with the highest standards. To ensure these high standards, we are using multiple laboratories in Europe. When those results are available, we shall present them in the appropriate forum.
We also have designed and are operating a fully instrumented flow calorimeter to measure the power production of our reactor. Outside scientists and engineers are measuring the input power as well as our flow calorimeter output performance. All these results will be presented when we are confident that they will withstand the scrutiny demanded by our own interests in product development, and the scrutiny of our customers.
We thank you for your continued interest in our challenging and important work load.
Can anyone explain what XRF and ICP- MS are?
Both are types of advanced spectrometers. You can google it for more info. (I did
)
Probably they are trying to find out exact isotopes and elements generated after transmutations. This will be a proof of nuclear reactions and it will be undeniable.
Whether they will really publish the reports with names is anyone’s guess.
ICP-MS stands for inductively-coupled plasma mass spectrometry.
This is used to tell the masses of atomic isotopes. The testing Defkalion is doing here, is probably to analyze the atomic products of a completely reaction in their Hyperion. A very important bit of data they need.
XRF stands for X-ray fluorescence. It is also used for chemical analysis, and provides an independent look from the ICP-MS.
Third party data confirming transmutations and isotope identity would be hard to refute. But we have lots of data of this already – so it is not ground breaking. It simply confirms the Hyperion operates within the expected parameters of LENR.
From a business perspective, this, and flow calorimetry confirming COP, would be strong evidence on which to consider a license. Due diligence on Defkalion’s legal and financial stability is warranted.
The PR from Defkalion continues to amaze me. This amateurish attempt at status sounds to me as if they are setting up excuses for announcement of delays down the road. They really should consider hiring a PR/Media firm and let them handle the PR.
As to their press release it seems to me they are acknowledging not only difficulties with their product but in their test methodology. Given that they are still developing a method to measure performance, how valid will the data that they presumably will be presenting in August be? Are they telling us that the long awaited test data is going to be now delayed or limited until “they are confident that they will withstand the scrutiny” of everyone?
As Daniel points out, this situation and their previous announcements seem highly inconsistent.
I actually do not see an inconsistency, except with the plan to release results back in mid April, which already got moved to August way back when. In light of that, this release is fully consistent with why that change had to be made.
I fully concur with your assessment. It does speak well, however, that they are being so rigorous. Science doesn’t often move along at the speed we want it to, let met tell ya from personal experience.
The earlier implication, at least to me, was that Defklation is ready to start validation and manufacture of their products but the status report hints at significant remaining activities and hints of further delays. I also understand the notion of pre-release hype and the usual delays but they really overdid it initially in my opinion.
I think their April hooplah was very much overdone. If any claim of overstatement could be made, it would be about the release of data back then. Me and others pursued them on their forums about that, which lead to them closing it down.
I completely agree with all you mean. Though actually, I don’t think Defkalion has ever had plans to manufacture Hyperions. I believe their model is to license the manufacturing to others. Maybe that has changed though?
re: manufacturing, yes you are right but they did show a factory being prepared so they must have some involvement in the one in Greece.
I think if they are just doing licensing, it strengthens your point. As then they have to prove to other people that their technology is worth taking such a huge personal risk with, investing so much money and resource into.
I’d be infinitely more cautious being asked to license an idea to something, then buy it direct.
Defkalion has seen the E-cat working, they know for sure it’s real.
They’re just preparing a device with the knowledge they already have and waiting for AR’s device on the market, so they just have to integrate and copy the catalizer. To have a quick jump on the market.
I mentioned this before, it’s my theory. They have seen so much from the E-cat but not the one million dollar question: what’s in the black box.
Less than five month left for european E-Cat patent?
Leonardo Corporation: “Enquiry as to when a communication from the Examining Division can be expected”
http://tinyurl.com/73zyevk
European Patent Office: “Response to enquiry for communication from the Examining Division”
http://tinyurl.com/c97e2yh
Interesting! Thanks Torbjörn
So, now we know at least two companies for investors to invest in right now: National Instruments, and Siemens AG. Also, the primary companies involved, once they offer IPOs: Leonardo Corporation and Defkalion GT. There are others, I understand, as well. And the world turns. I would appreciate it if people could add to the list of current and future investment opportunities for CF/LENR companies. It’s useful information for many people.
I took a flyer on on SI on the June 26 and it finished up 7.24% (from the purchase price) today.
A NI rapresentative will also speak at a LENR workshop in Rome:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg66976.html
The title of his presentation is: “National Instruments and the experiments about low energy nuclear reactions”
Question: https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?documentId=ES9OWT9O1764FI4&number=EP08873805&lng=en&npl=false
Answer: https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?documentId=ES9TUXXJ8406FI4&number=EP08873805&lng=en&npl=false
The idea that the NI relationship with Rossi was both tenuous and had been severed was one promoted by the skeptics and was I think without any factual basis. Rossi initially brought NI in to assist in the development of a better controller for the 1 MW ecat. The military customer requested/specified that a different control supplier be used for the plants that they were buying. Rossi agreed to that request. However after announcing that he also said that he valued the work that NI had done for him and essentially said that a relationship with NI would continue. If you look on the ecat.com site which Rossi has designated as an official site for ecat products you will find that NI is listed as the provider for the both the Control box and the Controlling software for the I MW industrial plants now in production for private customers. http://ecat.com/ecat-products/ecat-1-mw/ecat-1mw-technical-data
That the military would specify a different Control box supplier may well be that the Control system being used is similer to Controllers being used for other military equipment and technician training and staffing is based on equipment by the unknown supplier. I could make a guess that the other supplier is Siemans but its simply a guess.
i agree with all points.
Me too.
and me
I was under the assumption that NI’s controls were more for engineering and data gathering and that Rossi moved from NI to another supplier purely based on cost.
This really is great news! Two fine names are coming together before an important global audience to weigh in on the amazing qualities of LENR. I wish Andrea Rossi could be there to show off his E-cat!
If he has a 1MW ecat working for a customer in Northern Italy or somewhere else his presence will be felt at the conference. My guess is that’s his goal.
I remember all this. Thank you for putting it all in one place and so succinctly.
Is anyone else puzzled about why the US military (if that’s the customer) would choose a German supplier in preference to an American supplier of control systems?
Especially considering that National Instruments boasts the following on their home page:
“National Instruments is a leading supplier of test, measurement, and control systems for government, aerospace, and defense entities.”
National Instruments is an American company, that has international business. It is not German. NI is headquartered in Austin, TX.
None the less, did you know how much of our military supply comes from China? There was a whole slew of faulty Chinese chips leaking into our military electronics lately, causing a lot of logistic breakdowns, for instance. The military may contract American, but American contractors are not limited to American products or suppliers.
Exactly. NI is American and a leading supplier of control systems for the military. Siemens is German. That’s why, if the customer is the American military, it is puzzling that they would reject existing systems from NI in favor of new ones from Siemens.
Actually, the military contracts with Seimens often.
http://www.greenbiz.com/blog/2012/02/02/siemens-jci-land-60m-army-contracts-green-power-efficiency here the army is paying Siemens 60 million for a solar power plant
And here http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2012/05/08/siemens-industry-lands-10-million.html Siemens got 10 million from the Navy to equip some minor research vessels with diesel electric power systems.
My comment is still in moderation with the links, but the US Military contracts Siemens quite often actually. 60 million from the Army for a solar power plant, and 10 million from the Navy for a diesel electric generator system on some research ships.
If the military traded out NI for Siemens in this, it would not be surprising nor unexpected. Just a matter of costs.
I don’t know if there were competitive American options for those contracts, but in the case of the ecat, there is no doubt, considering that the ecat inventor chose NI over Siemens in the first instance.
So, not only are they choosing German over American against the inventor’s recommendation, but they have the overhead required in changing out control systems on a device that was supposedly working already.
To me, that’s still a puzzle.
Haha, I can definitely understand why that is puzzling.
Such idiosyncratic behavior is sadly kinda par for the course. Doesn’t make it any less bizarre or silly, but that’s how bureaucracies work.
In fact, Siemens may have leveraged its current contracts with the military to accomplish such a change. That is common. I do not see any current contracts between the military and NI at the moment with a cursory search; and that too would be a factor, unfortunately.
Still, all this is assuming the OP’s guess is right about the military wanting a switch from NI to Siemens, and not some other company. I’m not exactly sure what all the info behind that is.
Siemens designs and builds turnkey integrated systems ie steam turbines, chp, stirling engines, generators, complete with instrumentation and controls. NI builds instruments and controls.
Maybe Siemens has personell with security clearance
Siemans acquired Westinghouse Power Generation from CBS in August of 1998. Siemans is more a multinational company than a German firm now. They are doing the HVAC installation in a school remodelling project a couple of blocks from my home in California. Westinghouse Power has always been a major supplier to the US military. Besides we don’t kow that it was Westinghouse
Well, a few months ago, I asked my NI rep if he knew anything about a relationship beetwen NI and Rossi or LENR, Never got an answer.
Good thing is I will be attending this conference so I will be able to judge by myself how far they are involved!
jym
This is really interesting news. NI did state they had worked with Rossi, but where not pursuing an official product relationship (which means unofficially, such as for research, they could still be working together). This would explain why as well. They seemed to have taken LENR on themselves.
Most likely, NI taught Rossi some things about the instrumentation and control, and Rossi taught NI some things about the actual reactors and theory.
The fact NI has now been reproducibly successful with LENR is breakout news.
I don’t think the fact that Takahashi is speaking at this event means NI is involved in the research, or that NI is claiming reproducible success with LENR. That appears to be Takahashi’s claim, which is certainly not breakout news.
You’re right, it’s a presentation from a team collaboration between Kobe University and Technova Inc. being supported by NI.
That is even more impressive.
The notice does not indicate that NI is supporting the research (although they could be), beyond inviting Takahashi to present their progress.
NI wouldn’t specifically invite these people to talk if there wasn’t a relationship between them at some level. My guess is that they are using NI equipment built for these experiments specifically.
Take a look at their peer-reviewed published research paper on this from 2009: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0375960109007877
Moreover, take a look at Renzo’s link above. Specifically the event poster showing Stefano Concezzi (the director of National Instruments’ Science and Big Physics Segment) giving a talk titled “National Instruments and the experiments about low energy nuclear reactions”.
NI is indeed involved in this field in some fashion.
Does that 2009 paper indicate NI involvement? I didn’t see it in a quick glance.
NI may be involved in the research in some way, or they may just be supplying instrumentation for it.
All I said was that the notice so far gives no indication one way or the other.
And if NI sees a potential market in a particular area of research, it seems pretty reasonable that they would invite researchers from that area to present their results without actually being involved in the reseach themselves.
But it is typical of the LENR field to make optimistic projections based on assumptions and speculations instead of facts.
The ’09 paper doesn’t seem to list the vendor or how they built their equipment, just the diagram of how their equipment works and functions. It’s pretty complex. I’m guessing something from NI is a part of the devices; and hence why NI would feel a connection with the research to bring them over for their NI promoting conference. You know the “look what our instruments have helped people to do, why don’t you buy our stuff
!” type of thing, which is what this conference is partly (mostly) about.
The notice doesn’t say anything more than the explicit fact they are at the conference, which gives important data in its own through context.
Your last little paragraph amuses me; a little sniper shot while completely ignoring the upcoming conference where an NI director is giving a talk about NI and experiments involving LENR. Can’t get any more explicit than that.
So you assumed NI is involved because they have a complicated diagram?
And of course they can get more explicit than that saying a NI director is talking about LENR experiments.
He could say if NI is actually involved in LENR experiments, if they have positive results, and what those results are. Not that I would expect an announcement to contain detailed information; just that the announcement doesn’t convey that much information.
They might be doing little more than supplying and promoting instruments well-suited to LENR research, which has caught their interest because of the publicity (such as it is) Rossi has attracted. That’s not an endorsement so much as taking advantage of a business opportunity.
There may be much more to it, but nothing more is in evidence yet.
Kemo… I’m making no assumption about the device diagram. The assumption is that NI asked them to talk at an NI seminar promoting NI products to stir up fervor for people to buy more from NI, because they must have used something from NI as an important part of their research. That device is complex enough that NI’s involvement might have been about that; which I stated as a guess. -THAT- was my point. Get it now?
That’s how business and business promotion works. I don’t see what’s hard to see about this.
We’ll have to wait till that Italian conference is over to see what the NI director (who personally has spoken very neutrally about Rossi in the past) has to say about LENR. But the title shows direct involvement of NI with LENR research.
Does this mean NI has personal laboratories doing LENR? I don’t think NI does any sort of physics laboratory work, just equipment designing. But it shows they are -collaborating- with others in LENR.
NI is involved, in one sense or another. How many ways do you want me to put it?
Ged, what’s hard to see is that which you don’t want to see;)
I don’t have much problem with what you’re saying now.
I objected to your first two statements about NI, which were not based on fact, and looked like wishful thinking :
“The fact NI has now been reproducibly successful with LENR is breakout news.”
and
“it’s a presentation from a team collaboration between Kobe University and Technova Inc. being supported by NI.”
I don’t regard Takahashi’s use of NI products (which does seem likely) as being “supported” by NI, and a complicated diagram doesn’t make support from them plausible.
But you’ve backed off on both those statements now, so, I’m happy.
Please keep us informed on your impressions of the presentation – Thanks jym
“the team has reproducibly observed anomalous heat effects,…”
Key word here is,”reproducibly.”
Rossi and Dekfalion are saying they soon will release fully functional LENR+ hardware, while laboratory researchers have not yet achieved high levels of reproducibility. At least this one team thinks they have reached this all important milestone, you can’t blame some people for being skeptical when most of the top scientists in the world cannot get LENR reproducibility over 20%, perhaps this achievement represents a first very large step forward in the field.
if you can make a unicorn appear in your garage 20% of the time, with a rigorous 5-sigma measure, yet with a cooking-like recipe, it is a big news, that deserve respect.
even if it is small like a dog, or a fly, it is a news.
all excuse not to accept LENR are ridiculous.
the only need is good bounded measure, and elimination of other explanations.
with the way LENr is treated by skeptics, LHC results would be rejected.
“the team has reproducibly observed anomalous heat effects”
yes… thats it
“when most of the top scientists in the world cannot get LENR reproducibility over 20%, perhaps this achievement represents a first very large step forward in the field.”
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Most scientists haven’t tried.
Nixter, How old is your data “most of the top scientists in the world cannot get LENR reproducibility over 20%”? It sounds terribly outdated.
“reproducibly observed anomalous heat effects” seems quite common now, but consistantly high COP seems to be the chalenge. Peace Barry
Excellent! Always good when mainstream companies show an interest in LENR.
I think they have to because they can’t be as ignorant as the main stream science community to survive in the market place. With the emergence of CF among the winners will quite obviously be the existing industrial players with an open mind to new innovations. A natural position of a company like NI, it seems.
maybe they are the Japanese companies that Defkalion talk about, beside Italian and US.
DGT works with Ni, but who knows, at least we all have a certain point in the future to watch for news, ICCF 17.