BlackLight Power Announces Scientific Validation of Process Converting Water Vapor to Electricity

In a press release today, New Jersey company BlackLight Power (BLP) announced that numerous scientific and industry experts had validated the company’s process that converts water vapor directly into electricity. BLP has invented a process it calls CIHT (Catalyst-Induced-Hydrino-Transition) in which hydrogen molecules in water vapor are transformed by the use of electrochemical cells into a new, smaller molecules called ‘hydrinos’. In the process of this transformation electrical energy is created.

Today’s announcement states that “in six separate, independent studies, leading scientists from academia and industry with PhDs from prestigious universities including the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the California Institute of Technology, confirm that BlackLight has achieved a technological breakthrough with its CIHT (Catalyst-Induced-Hydrino-Transition) clean energy generating process and cell.”

BLP’s CEO and chairman says, “”BlackLight’s continuously operating, power-producing system converts ubiquitous H2O (water) vapor directly into electricity, oxygen, and a new, more stable form of Hydrogen called Hydrino, which releases 200 times more energy than directly burning hydrogen.” The press release states that currently BLP’s technology is able to consistently produce 10W of energy on a continuous level, more than ten times the amount of energy that is used to initiate the process. BLP projects that by 2013 they will create a 1.5 kiloWatt (kW) pilot unit that will be suitable for electricity production in the residential market.

The press release includes statements from six PhDs who support and endorse BLP’s claims.

  • Sacket

    I remember early 2004 when BLP would have a space heater to keep your home warm by the end of 2004. Still no product and no beta site for field tests.
    Now we have the E-cat with the same story.
    If you have money burning a hole in your pocket you should buy gold or oil.

  • charlie tapp

    just wondering were everyone is getting the idea that 1.5kw is what a house uses, that is only 1500 watts or 15 100 watt light bulbs.are they baseing this number on primary power line voltag,if so what voltage, there is about 100 different primary voltages.someone help me out here.

  • http://galeas.biz Roald Bentzen

    What will happen with the water at temperatures below freezing?

  • http://peswiki.com Field

    That’s fantastic! The only problem with this process is what to do with all the hydrinos which are created. This is an unnatural biproduct that doesn’t belong in this world.

  • AFRAID

    I am Afraid that BLPs applicable theory was discovered too late . We are running out of fossil fuels crude oil,gas and coal, making energy.And BLPs technology won t be capable to replace these three nonrenewable giants.Of course there is nuclear,wind,solar and hydroelectric energy,but according to new global energy demand studies it will be very difficult to satisfy that.Global economy without energy sources will be hard to run.So I am Afraid of our energy future.I hope that BLPs discovery will help humankind from energy apocalypse.

    • Barry Williams

      Running out? Have you been living under a rock?

      Maybe you haven’t heard of the Canadian oil sands. Your television must be on MSNBC and you didn’t hear about the nearly 1 billion barrel crude oil find in Colorado in the Wattenberg Field and you missed the oil boom in North Dakota where there is an estimated 3.65 billion barrels. Maybe you were listening to All Things Considered every time there was a story about how fracking has unleashed so much natural gas that the US is fast becoming the leading exporter of LNG.

      Fossil fuels will run out one day but not anytime in say the next 150+ years. Meanwhile, we’ll have plenty of time to develop new technologies to supply the world’s energy needs.

      Today’s problems will be solved with future technology.

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  • Jon Apple

    I agree with Rob M. Scientific discoveries of this magnitude aren’t developed overnight. Mills has promised releases in the past but with all the development and advances BLP makes on the theory and applications things are constantly changing.
    At first Mills developed his theories into a device that he had issues sustaining on a controllable self perpetuating basis. He could produce extreme releases of energy, but just for short periods of time. His first device continued a plasma that emitted heat and light, but the heat still needed to be transfered into water to make steam, that would then turn a turbine that would then make electricity. A great device, but nothing like the CIHT that directly creates electricty in one step he is now perfecting.
    Randy decided to take the additional time he needed to do it right, and he has done it. Not releasing his earlier devices was a smart move that will pay
    off in the end.

    • ww8th

      I have reviewed the Blacklight Power Website and observed the following regarding the CIHT “Fuel Cell” for direct electrical production:
      1. Each cell produces +0.175 volts. As expected, this is less than a chemical fuel cell for H2 + O2 producing water ( +0.7 volts). This will require a large number of cells for 120 volts DC.
      2. The electrolyte is a mixture of LiOH and LiBr. The Li compounds are held in a solid paste of MgO.
      3. The electrodes are made of pre-oxidized Nickel. Pre-oxidation is required to minimize oxidation/corrosion particularly at the anode.
      4. Argon gas (non-corrosive, non-reactive) is used to carry to water vapor to the cathode.
      5. The temperature must be relatively high for nickel to act as a cathode. Tests used 450 degrees C. The cathode of a fuel cell has to have the property of having a high attraction to H2 gas such that the H2 is split into 2H+ ions plus 2 electrons. Platinum can achieve this at room temperature, but of course is expensive.

      http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/TechnicalPresentation.pdf

      • ww8th

        In Addition:
        6. The power density is 0.27watt/cm2. So a 1.5 kw home unit would require 5,500 square cm of area. This converted to 0.55 square meters or about 6 square feet. Roughly, 1.5 kw home unit would be about the size of a refrigerator.
        7. The power output divided by the electrical power consumed is roughly 35 times greater.

        Overall, this appears OK for a home power unit, but does not appear practical for use in an automobile.

        • ww8th

          Some more information:
          8. Correction, the surface surface area of 5500 cm2 is the total surface area required, not the surface area per cell.
          9. The surface area would likely be limited by the maximum current density. At 0.100 amps/cm2 limit the total surface area required would be 60,000 cm2. If you used 230 cells to produce 40 Volts DC, the size would correspond to 260 CM2 per cell or about 6 by 6 inches for a 1.5 KW unit.
          10. Development of the CIHT unit will lower the temperature and reduce the size compared to the test module.
          11. It appears the CIHT Unit would be most similar to an Alkaline Fuel Cell. These are the type used by NASA in the Space Shuttle.

          A Good Fuel Cell reference:
          http://www.netl.doe.gov/technologies/coalpower/fuelcells/seca/pubs/fchandbook7.pdf

          “Alkaline Fuel cells are too bulky for use in car engines. They are, however, the cheapest type of fuel cell to manufacture so it is possible that they could be used in small stationary power generation units.”

  • DrM

    Perhaps if we started calling water “burnt hydrogen” these charlatans couldn’t be so smooth with their spiels?

    I’ve got an invention take makes power from burnt wood ashes! Yeah, right.

    • DrM

      No, really, I do! You just shove the ashes in with out secret catalyst and fresh wood comes out, ready to burn.

  • Roger Bird

    Very impressive. I wonder where Rogerborg and the other pathoskeptics are now?

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  • Darcangel

    Hi all. I have been following the LENR / Cold fusion debate for some time and finally decided to join the forums and begin to contribute. Frank, great site much appreciated :)

  • classmate

    I’ve known Randy Mills since college. I recognized him then as the most brilliant person I ever had or ever would meet. He attended F&M to be close to the family farm in Chester County, PA. He is a farm boy and has the work ethic of a farm boy, relentless, with his nose to the grindstone 80 or more hours a week for the last 20 yrs., save for a week or 2 vacation a year. We can all celebrate that he is among us and is revolutionizing the world we know, in a great way. Jump aboard!

    • H Lee

      Classmate,

      I have always wanted get an insight into the past of Randy Mills. Thanks for vouching for him. It can take a lifetime to make a breakthrough and since a lot of “easy stuff” has been invented it is taking longer for all innovators to make their first breakthrough at every level of science, arts and business. As a trained doctor, he most reminds me of the English carpenter Harrison who spent a life time perfecting a clock and persuading the key to solving a century old problem of calculating longitude was in accurate time not celestial navigation improvements. He was right and I hope Randy is too.

  • Bruno

    Blacklight Power has been making claims and publishing papers for YEARS. What they haven’t done is match their claims with functional harware for the world to see. They’ve been claiming that x, y & z will happen by the “end of the year” or the “middle of next year” for years. In the end, x, y & z never happen. Not sure how they keep getting funded with their track record. If there is substance to BLP’s, Rossi’s, Dekaflion’s & Brilluin’s clamis, I hope that they’ll each force the other to put money where their mouths are. I for one have grown tired of all the unsubstantiated hype.

    • Bigwilly

      Hi Bruno,

      I detest unsubstantiated hype as well. From what I can see, (read), BLP has accomplished more than that with the latest results. Independent and reputable scientist have corroborated their extraordinary claims.

      This moves them out of the category of Rossi, Defkalion, Brillion, my left foot and anyone else who has shown exactly nothing and placed them infinitely ahead.

      Just my thoughts.

      BW

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  • edog

    http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?pid=80757&cl=79173&tid=5122

    once the hydrogen floats off.. no more water?

    • Ged

      Don’t worry too much about that. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe. It’s everywhere. We don’t need to get it only from water, and as that animation shows, we have enough water on this planet to rival the moon. We won’t even begin to put a dent in it for millions of years with this technology if it pans out, and by then we’ll have launched to space and started harvesting hydrogen from other sources such as the solar wind, gas giants like Jupiter, and hydrocarbon rich moons like Titan.

      We also have to consider of the radiation from the Sun can jump the hydrino electron back up to the “ground” state and reconstitute hydrogen, even before it escapes the atmosphere. I’d be very curious to see how it reacts with UV light and if this is possible.

      Finally, if the hydrino loses its electron completely and becomes a hydrogen ion, it’ll be available for all the normal hydrogen reactions, such as formation of water by reacting with negative oxygen ions.

    • GreenWin

      edog, this animation is misleading. Another metric is that 85% of all fresh water on Earth is frozen in the Antarctic. So what. Ever see the Great Lakes? The CIHT system as I understand it creates Hydrino by breaking apart H2 into atomic H which is then catalyzed to a fractional state. Hydrino can return to normal ground and H + H to become H2 gas which when combined with O makes water again. Robert please correct if this is wrong.

      Anyway there are 8,000,000 Trillion barrels of water in the oceans. One barrel H2O can make the energy of 200 barrels of oil. Even if the water is not immediately reconstituted – we’ll be off planet before it begins to run out.

      • Robert Mockan

        A hydrino can return to normal ground state hydrogen atoms anytime it is ionized and recombines. Ionized hydrogen, as hydrogen plasma, is created in every star. The charged particles released from stars (what is called the solar wind from our sun), and galactic radiation (cosmic radiation) particles can have Mev energy levels, and can also ionize hydrino in space, such that they reform hydrogen atoms. The recycling process seems to be biased towards the formation of regular hydrogen, because stellar fusion reaction heat always ionizes everything. Any hydrogen on earth that forms hydrinos drifts off into space from the upper atmosphere where it rises to, is ionized by the solar wind or cosmic radiation particles, or high energy EM radiation (x-ray, gamma), and reforms hydrogen atoms that can then react chemically like any other hydrogen.

      • ww8th

        Black Light Power has stated that Hydrino’s in the gaseous form would be lighter that hydrogen gas. Black Light expects that the Hydrino gas would escape the earth’s atmosphere and leak into outer space. The reason the planet Venus does not have water is because the atmosphere is too hot and the hydrogen has leaked out of the atmosphere of Venus.

  • Sanjeev

    http://www.greenwisebusiness.co.uk/news/breakthrough-in-energy-from-water-technology-3336.aspx

    Media is picking up. I cannot post more links here, but searching Google news will bring up all the media stories. So far small papers are reporting it.

    • Robert Mockan

      The media is untrustworthy. What people should be doing is going to this web site:
      http://www.rexresearch.com/00index0.htm
      and download the contents to their PCs. I suggest a web stripper, that will download the entire contents, or obtain one of the site CDs. Robert Nelson has accumulated the information at the Rex Research web site for more than 20 years. I used to read it back in the 1980s, and even then it was remarkable. Eventually it may be sanitized and the contents removed from the Wide World Web.
      There is no way to know what will happen to the site in the future, because as you read the many articles, they also reveal the suppression of technology that has been going on for over a century, and what has been done to inventors and entrepreneurs who tried to make the discoveries public, and develop them. Even if you do not believe in conspiracy theories, I suggest you be prudent and at least obtain a copy of the web site.

      • GreenWin

        An unfortunately long list it is, Robert. How many of these inventions actually work is of question; but many have never seen the light of day. We are changing that.

      • GreenWin

        AFter reading just a couple cherry picked articles it seems clear the atomic model mainstream science claims today is woefully wrong. Dare I say nearly all of “particle physics” appears wrong in as much as it depends of particle wave duality.

        One could also argue the “uncertainty” in QED becomes far less uncertain with an aether wave model of energy. This appears to conform closer to Mills’ “Classical” description of Hydrino energy effects and perhaps his GUT.

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  • Ryan

    I’m curious to know if this process would be applicable to more complex elements. Would it be effective on say Argon, or Neon, or Nickel? Would using more complex elements generate more power? Or is it only hydrogen due to its simplicity? From what I’ve seen hydrogen would be fine for lower level power usage, and perhaps with refinement could do more, but if higher elements could be used in this way then they could potentially be used for propulsion or other high demand work. Anyone read enough on the topic to know whether this might be possible or whether Mills has indicated anything about this?

    • edog

      I suggest reading these before commenting.

      http://www.blacklightpower.com/technology/validation-reports/

      but anyway i read it… at the moment they use hydrogen from the water vapour.. and get the energy out of the atom by dropping its electrons into a lower stable orbit…

      the amount of power they are getting.. according to one of the validators.. a guy fairly up on catalysts corresponds to one atom being affected per second.. and he reckons that improving the catalyst to have more reaction points for the hydrogen could improve the cell up to about 3kw per litre.

      They tested a couple of different anodes? Cathodes? Nickel and Molybdenum.. the Molly was way better at producing watts.. somehow.. better/more reaction sites?

      Anyway have a read ryan.. see what you think then?

      • edog

        oh.. and if you didnt spot it.. they have to heat the cell up… 500 degrees C or something like that

      • Ryan

        I’ve only had a chance to give the information a cursory look over, mostly due to being close to finishing a degree and having to read lots of rather dry course materials. I had read some of the bits related to what you said but I wasn’t sure if that would be useful levels of power for say rocket launches out of the atmosphere. Its interesting stuff to be sure and I definitely hope something comes out of it.

    • Robert Mockan

      Dr. Mills has indeed commented about propulsion applications using hydrino based fuels. The form of hydrogen that BLP has studied can release much more energy than 200 times the combustion of hydrogen with oxygen by using it to stabilize other elements to higher energy level chemical compounds. When such meta stable chemical compounds break apart reverting to their natural form, they could release sufficient power to make possible automobile sized space craft one could literally fly from the surface of earth to the moon, and land, in 4 hours. And the fuel could be made with equipment one could fabricate in a machine shop, and using hydrogen made from water.

      I’ve charted the progress required to do this many times and such technology, if the development is not hindered, appears about the years 2025 to 2035. Most young people living today will experience a future many of them have yet to even imagine.

      • Ryan

        Interesting stuff and I certainly hope to see it come to fruition. I’d love to be able to have such a vehicle at some point and be able to see in person what only a few have yet been able to.

    • Ged

      That’s a really good question, and one I’ve been pondering on. Hydrogen is ridiculously abundant and easy to procure, and its simple electron shell structure, the simplist there is as you point out, does make it seem far more amenable to this process than anything else could be.

      But if we can master how this is working, maybe we could apply it to other atoms. Collapsing a whole cascade of electron shells like this could, in theory, give off absolutely enormous amounts of energy, since each electron will give off its own burst.

      Another thing to consider is that the higher an electron shell is when it falls in, the higher amount of energy is released. While the hydrogens are giving off a type of resonance energy that can be harvested directly, other atoms with higher shells may give off radiative energy, such as light, and X-rays (once you get to copper), and eventually even gamma rays at the larger sized atoms.

      Now, it could also be that the other electron orbits of larger atoms will block this even that is forming the hydrinos, and thus cannot be collapsed. We will have to see.

  • AstralProjectee

    Robert Mockan let me ask you which one do you think is better BlackLight, or Rossi’s LENR? I think I know the answer.

    Peace!

    • Robert Mockan

      In my opinion, BLackLight, but only because my primary interest is aerospace propulsion. Rossi’s LENR has material limitations due to it being lattice enabled, and operates at too low COP and temperature. The theory behind BLP presented by Randall Mills indicates that with a bit more development the concept of a CAF fusion torch rocket engine may be feasible. It would not be powerful enough for interstellar flight, but would enable the paradigm of civilization as we know it to change from planet based to space based, and would destroy centralized control of human freedom.

    • Robert Mockan

      By the way, I’m not comparing the Rossi E-Cat to CIHT, but rather lattice enabled LENR reactors, like the Rossi E-Cat, to BLP hydrino based technology if it were fully utilized. If one were to compare just to the CIHT, it has the same advantage as a fuel cell to a heat engine. Not being Carnot limited, and generating electric power directly, is a hard act to beat. Rossi is going to have to start running faster if he wants t stay in this game.

      • AstralProjectee

        Thanks I would have thought Nickel and Hydrogen was better.

        PlasmERG would be better than both of them, if it works.

        Peace!

        • Robert Mockan

          PlasmERG is building Joseph Papp’s Noble Gas Engine. Talk about fringe science! It is allegedly not a heat engine, runs cool generating hundreds of shaft horsepower, has no chemically explosive mixture in the cylinders, and produces a hundred times more power than that used to spark the inert gases in the cylinder and microwave them. So how does it work? Skeptics had a field day with this when Papp was building them, and today no hypothesis is accepted about how it works. It is not nuclear, so what is it?

          And those are the reasons the scientific community believes it is a hoax and fraud, and the shaft horsepower measurements made by incompetents, because… the opinion is it is not possible.

          The problem with just saying it is zero point energy release from the space energy continuum, is that no person has done the experiment to prove that. Instead the output power is measured, the input power is measured, and if the ratio is greater than one then off to the races calling it a “free” energy converter. That proves nothing, explains nothing, and just gives me a headache.

          So I will also be interested to learn if it is real, or not.

  • edog

    I suggest reading these before commenting.

    http://www.blacklightpower.com/technology/validation-reports/

    • Robert Mockan

      Better yet, the Black Light Power website has many articles and PDF about the technology. Although they will not specifically tell you the electrolyte material in the present CIHT, there have been rumors that it is a strontium doped ceramic operating with double or even triple ionization of the strontium. In any event its development was largely drawn from conventional fuel cell technology, but modified to utilize the hydrogen to hydrino conversion process.

    • lenr-liker

      I agree, very persuasive. Provides resumes and detailed lab visit reports.

  • GreenWin

    Mark Goldes provides a good overview of fractional H2 and ECHO.

    “In his book: The Eternity Equation (1976), the late Dr. Robert L. Carroll, a mathematical physicist, first mentioned Inverse Quantum States. His 1990 paper with that title begins: “Quantum theory as applied to the atom stops far short of its goal. The philosophy that the least quantum state of an electron in orbit is unity excludes an infinity of possibilities”.

    Blacklight pioneered technology based on energy released as the electrons of Hydrogen atoms are induced by a catalyst to transition to lower energy levels (i.e. drop to lower base orbits around each atom’s nucleus). Ronald Bourgoin, once a graduate student of Dr. Carroll’s, showed the general wave equation predicts exactly the 137 inverse principal quantum levels they claim.
    The late Arie De Geus applied for a patent on a unique energy production method based upon utilization of fractional Hydrogen. Engineers have now discovered a much better approach to both theoretical and practical paths that lead towards remarkable energy conversion systems that utilize this Energy from Collapsing Hydrogen Orbits – ECHO.

    In engines or fuel cells, Hydrogen is normally burned. Blacklight has demonstrated that hydrogen atoms can release an enormous amount of energy without burning, just as Dr. Carroll earlier suggested might prove possible.

    Hydrogen is the simplest atom: one electron revolving around one proton. Imagine an atom of Hydrogen enlarged so much that the proton is as big as a golf ball and you’d find the circling electron three hundred yards away!
    It has been discovered that Hydrogen’s electron orbit can be made to collapse, becoming a much smaller sphere. A tremendous amount of energy is thus released. The new atoms do not need to burn with an oxidizer to liberate energy.
    A huge amount of Hydrogen is stored in water. The oceans contain 8 million trillion barrels of water. Think about the implications: Even without deuterium or nuclear options, one barrel of water can yield as much energy as two hundred barrels of oil – just by making clever use of fractional Hydrogen.
    This can safely be accomplished without releasing radiation or pollution. The cost will be lower than that of coal or nuclear energy. ECHO systems can help accelerate independence from fossil fuels.

    Imagine the positive impact on the economy and the environment of future cars, trucks, and buses that need only a small amount of water as fuel and can pay for themselves over time. This is a relatively near-term alternative – and far less costly than building new coal burning or nuclear power plants. It allows the love affair with automobiles to accomplish necessary goals..”
    Mark Goldes

    As described by Dr. James Pugh, Director of Technology at The ENSER Corporation, a 1L volume 3.3kW CIHT “battery” can electrify a home or power an electric vehicle quite nicely.

    We are rapidly entering the age of abundant energy and those who deny and preach FUD will unfortunately go the way of the Iceman. Who no longer cometh.

    • Robert Mockan

      Conditions exist that naturally cause hydrogen to go to a lower energy state. Thus on earth, in space, around stars, energy equilibrium always results in some percentage of available hydrogen atoms to be in the “collapsed” state. We do not notice it here on earth because when it does so, it becomes inert and chemically non reactive except under special circumstances. Because it remains lighter than air it rises in the atmosphere. That is why the CIHT battery took so long to develop. It took a long time to understand hydrogen well enough when the electron is below the ground state. Now, believe it or not, although the discovery of this material was made over 20 years ago, and the tests done to determine its properties have included almost every conceivable kind of laboratory equipment that can be used to do such tests, most scientists still denounce the “hydrino” as the result of incompetence or fraud. Sounds familiar?
      This was even after the “dihydrino”, the molecular form, was liquified at the temperature of liquid nitrogen.

      I suggest do not hold your breath for the different energy and material technologies to be developed in the foreseeable future. There are still many vested interests in the status quo that have not yet acquired all the wealth and power they can from the presently used technologies, before controlling the introduction of the newer technologies. Those of us who have been studying these subjects since the 1980s would not surprised if another 20 years go by before seeing any commercial products.
      Unless of course people everywhere are shown exactly how to make LENR catalysts and apply hydrino technology. But since that would not only prevent centralized control, but destroy the vested interests in the status quo, we should probably expect many entrepreneurs to meet with unfortunate “accidents” if they persisted in open sourcing the technology.

      • GreenWin

        Ah, interesting background Robert. And isn’t it good to see the High School students in Rome publicly demonstrating their LENR experiment again?? Soon, as you suggest, every High School student can replicate LENR.

        “The controversy and academic debate won’t stop commercialization.” Dr. Randell Mills, New York Times 2008

        As for the last Robert, there are those in the universe that have the protections of forces far greater than ourselves. They are often the innovators, inventors, entrepreneurs who help change the world. Thank God for their tenacity.

    • Robert Mockan

      While the development of new energy technology is delayed, people have died. I consider 1 billion a conservative number. People are becoming more aware who is responsible.

      • GreenWin

        And those responsible – should be very afraid.

        • Robert Mockan

          The insane oligarchs at the top of the pyramid still think they will escape into the future using advanced medical technology to become immortals. They are probably not afraid, thinking they will leave the mass of humanity they have destroyed, and will destroy, behind them. But eventually, I suspect ALL of them will be eradicated from this universe. They may not be afraid, but like you say, they should be very afraid.

  • Sanjeev

    Good show BLP. This becomes the first verified overunity device in history. Its bigger than fire.

    I guess more research will be needed on hydrino stuff, but if Mill’s theory is correct, it means that QM is either wrong or is only a subset of a much bigger theory.

    This is a great possibility for ToE, unification, FTL and anti-gravity and what not !

  • vbasic

    Wow. My head is spinning. I’ve always checked in on their website over the years, and it had pretty much stayed the same. But today they completely rewrote the home page focusing on the CIHT cell. Is 2012 the year of LENR? I think Rossi forced everyones hand. Brilliouin, Defkalion, Nanospire and now
    Blacklight, saying they figured ‘it’ out. They seem to have different solution, but it shows the power of hydrogen. Faster, Rossi! Faster!

  • Jonathan

    Assuming that both BLP and Rossi are correct, then BLP is behind Rossi. Also, nuclear fusion should provide better energy densities than lower orbital states from hydrinos. I seem to remember reading a report on CIHT that painted a much brighter picture in terms of energy density. Also, BLP did promise a demonstration by the end of 2011 which they didn’t deliver.

  • Commentator

    I have been watching these guys for years, they are only a few miles from my house. I chanced to meet and speak with Mr Mills on one occasion last spring. My friends spouse has worked there from the very begining, and I have been into the reception area a number of times doing sales calls for different companies I have worked for. They have a nice big facility, part of the old Martin Marrietta complex. Doesn’t prove any thing, but has all led to form my own opinion that these guys are the real deal. He kept his head down, didnt subject himself to claims of fraud on the internet like others have. Had a local unviversity validate it a couple of years ago. When he came out he came out big, no questions in my mind. Reading the list of validators and their reports on blp website leaves little chance for fraud. Some will cast dispersions, be they compensated or just skeptical. Finally,the time has come. (maybe also time to short some oil stocks)

    • GreenWin

      If however, you drop in on the defunct ECN site – the wind-up skeptopaths are scurrying about trying to drain as much energy as possible. Actually rather pathetic.

  • daniel maris

    Seems to be a lot going on at the moment! Add this to the list of interesting claims.

  • CIHT fan

    If these hydrinos are toxic, then it will create a major problem for all.

    • Ged

      A lower energy level hydrogen could not be any more toxic than normal hydrogen (it’s still hydrogen!); but likely would be far less reactive, due to less energy being available in the electron shell for interacting with other atoms.

      • timycelyn

        Whoa – don’t know about that. Suppose it could still burn to water, what would happen, for instance, to the degree of hydrogen bonding?

        If that was radically altered, you’d firstly have low boiling water (useful – maybe…) but if it got mixed up with normal water would you have gross interference with biological systems whose delicate balances often rely on these types of effect.

        Jury firmly out, I would suggest….

        • Ged

          The hydrino is simply a hydrogen who’s one electron has fallen into an even lower energy state versus the typical ground state. There’s nothing magical about it. As an electron falls closer to the nucleus of an atom, it gives off energy; hence the theoretical energy release reported for the Blacklight process.

          For one thing, this would not change hydrogen bonding, which is a electrostatic effect between the charge difference of the partial negatively charged oxygen (or nitrogen) atoms in other compounds (such as water), and the partial POSITIVE charge of the hydrogen NUCLEUS, when bound to an atom with a high electrostatic coefficient (such as oxygen/nitrogen).

          That the hydrogen’s electron is in a lower energy state does not, in any way, impact partial charges like this. What it would impact is covalent bonding, which requires the proper electron shell overlaps. That would potentially make it far less likely to chemically bind with other atoms to form molecules, like water.

        • Ged

          So, while the jury is firmly in that hydrinos -are not- going to affect hydrogen bonding, since that is carried out by the hydrogen nucleus (proton), and have -no- properties to make them toxic beyond normal hydrogen, and rather should be -less- chemically reactive, you can also make other predictions for the behavior of hydrinos based on the hypothetical model.

          A hydrino should also be harder to ionize than normal hydrogen (how much so is hard to say), due to the tighter electron shell. This would may hydrino ions far less common than hydrogen ions. Again, making hydrinos less chemically/electrically reactive and less toxic than hydrogen. They also would not combust as easily, according to the current model.

          • timycelyn

            Thanks Ged for the discussion posted above. I should have been able to work it out for myself, but age and laziness I guess!

            In which case, will it even dimerise with itself or normal hydrogen? If it is that unreactive then I tend to agree with comment elsewhere that its likeliest fate if released into the environment would be pretty rapid escape from the planet and off into deep space.

            However, unlike Rossi’s metal transmutation products, this one is volatile, and if released -en route to leaving the planet – will be all pervasive. So the associated safety debate if this comes to pass will be, to say the least, interesting…

          • Ged

            It is very wise that you are bringing up thoughts about safety, as it’s very important we understand all the implications from the beginning before diving into a new technology. I hope I haven’t come across as hard on you for your valid thoughts and concerns!

            I am also very curious about if it can dimerize. And exactly as you say, if it can’t it’ll leak out rapidly into space. In fact, if hydrinos do not naturally dimerize, that would make them the lightest gas known, beating helium. Consequently, storing hydrinos would be very difficult, as diatomic hydrogen already can leak through pretty much any material.

  • timycelyn

    Must admit all I know about this is in this blog entry, but it does raise an immediate thought in my mind.

    If I take the summary above face value, it begs the question, what would happen to this ‘more stable’ form of hydrogen if we had big power plants churning it out in their exhausts or whatever. From an environmental perspective the word ‘stabler’ can be worrying sometimes.

    Does it get burned and therefore returned to the environment as hydrino-water? What would its toxicity be? etc etc.

    Blacklight may have all this covered off, and if anyone has read up in the area, I’d love to be enlightened….

    • timycelyn

      Ah – already a few posts on this started by Theotherguy in the Nanor thread….

    • Jonathan

      I think the hydrinos would escape the earth’s atmosphere due to their relative densities.

  • Mark

    I have been negative about BLP because they seem
    to have previously refused to claim *all* cold-fusion
    results as a hydrino induced processes. I likened
    this to BLP claiming a priori that two similar
    lumps under a carpet are different species of
    elephant when the scientifically Occam’s Razor
    theory suggests that they are most probably are the
    same species of elephant.

    On the other hand I have previously commented about
    using humidity condensed from the air as an viable
    source of hydrogen generally, especially since A.
    Rossi previously stated that “only picograms of
    hydrogen are required” to be utilized by his LENR
    transmutation and heat generating process.

    There is previous evidence of energy gains
    associated with shock air compression valves and
    certain air turbines suggesting that LENR may be
    operating there and that water vapor from humidity
    in the air is the most likely source hydrogen for
    any LENR energy gains.

    So, I welcome any additional details of the BLP
    process plus any competition BLP will give with A.
    Rossi since it just may spur Mr. Rossi on to
    actually do what he previously claimed he is going
    to do, manufacture products for sale using his form
    of the LENR process.

    :S:MarkSCoffman

  • Sparks

    One would think that at least one of those 6 PhDs would know that watts are a measure of power, not energy, and hence the statement, “BLP’s technology is able to consistently produce 10W of energy on a continuous level, more than ten times the amount of energy that is used to initiate the process,” is nonsensical and tells us nothing.

    This leaves us with no clue as to how much energy went into the process, and how much was generated in return. Or alternatively, on a continuous basis, what is the power output versus power input.

    • Ged

      As you said, watts is a unit of power, and so that statement is about power. Just because he said “energy” at the end doesn’t make us not in units of energy. (to the layperson, “energy” and “power” are sadly interchangeably used, though they shouldn’t be).

      If you read the actual reports, everything is in watts. It is generated 10x more watts than the watts that go into it to initiate the process, according to reports.

    • Ged

      I should also state, that one of the reports by a corporate entity did also calculate the kJ produced based on the length of time the reactors worked at. So, both power and energy has been evaluated for these devices.

      But it is easy to get it muddled!

      • Sparks

        Ged, thanks for both clarifications. Indeed, if they have 10W coming out continuously and 1W going in continuously, and if this can be sustained for long time periods (months) before it needs refueling or tinkering, then they are onto something, and the next logical stage would be the power upscaling (e.g., to 1.5 kW) that they are now talking about.

        • Ged

          It’s fascinating to say the least. I really want to read more into Miller’s other theories on physics. If these hydrinos are validated as real (and so far evidence is mostly for them, with nothing yet strongly contradictory), that validates some of his theoretical models.

          Taking this further, his models could allow the unification of classical and quantum mechanics at long last. That could change everything.

          Fortunately, Miller’s work produces actually testable hypotheses and predictions that can be used to falsify it, as all real science does. So we should find out more about this soon enough as interest begins to build after this press release.

          • Anthony

            Mills believes that so-called “dark matter” is composed fractional hydrogen, a.k.a., “Hydrinos”. His classical theory supposedly is far more accurate than quantum mechanics, much better at predicting and modelling molecular structure and behavior.

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  • GreenWin

    Blacklight operates deep in background most of the time. It’s a fair guess their R&D is the foundation for a number of working products restricted from commercial distribution.

    However, with the introduction of so many new LENR commercial products, some of those restrictions have been lifted. Mills’ CIHT hydrino fuel cell appears to be one. If developed to 5kW electrical output continuous – this will be a good fit for micro-CHP systems already in the field. Difference of course is CIHT uses H2O as its feedstock – SOFCs need NG reformed to H2.

    If one studies Mills’ work with Ni + H, it is strikingly similar in effect to that of Rossi.

  • CIHT fan

    Sorry Rossi, move aside.
    sorry e-catword.com, rename yourself.
    Now, we live in a world of hydrinos.
    http://www.ciht.com, here we go.
    Old classical quantum physics and its incorrect design has delayed such findings.
    But here it is.

  • andreiko

    Oud nieuws, opschalen lukt blijkbaar niet.Op waterstof na, niet vergelijkbaar met de e-cat.

  • AstralProjectee

    I have researched BlackLight before. They have been around for many years. It’s certainly taking them a LONG time to come out with a device, which makes me very suspicious.

    Peace!

    • http://www.antiqueswords.com RobM

      That would make me less suspicious, frankly, than if they claimed to have developed it overnight… I think it is prudent to be skeptical. Suspicion is something else.

      • AstralProjectee

        I guess I should have used the word sceptical.

        Peace!

        • http://raylance.com Ray Lance

          Anyone recall how many years Edison took to get the 14000th light bulb that was finally good enough?