About Moderating on E-Cat World

I want to comment about my moderation policy on E-cat World. I have mentioned before that I like to have a light touch when it comes to moderationg, and prefer to do so sparingly. I don’t mind if people present different point of views about the topics featured on this site, so long as they can do so without being overly obnoxious about it. By ‘obnoxious’ I mean being personally insulting to other posters, using profanity, getting seriously and repeatedly off topic, or generally being very unpleasant and annoying.

Another thing I would like to avoid is for this site to become a forum where posters get involved in debates, with repeated posts back and forth making essentially the same point about the same thing over and over is something I would prefer to stay away from on this site.

Please don’t take this to mean that I want to stop people chatting with each other in the comments section. There are many interesting exchanges taking place here, and I want to encourage that. I will continue to favor the ‘light touch’ approach, but I may start pruning threads if endless debates continue where little new information is being shared.

I admit that moderating is not an exact science, it’s going to be based on my judgement calls, and I will try to err on the side of leniency. Some will disagree with me, I am sure — but the good thing about the Internet is that there are a variety of places for discussion, and people can migrate to places they want to go.

Thanks to all who read and contribute, and help make E-Cat World an interesting source of information. Many of the comments here are very interesting and informative, and help to shed new light on the topics we are dealing with.

Frank

  • http://www.grupoice.com Jorge Jimenez

    Es una lástima leer argumentos vacíos, inmaduros e irrespetuosos a todos quienes leemos el apasionante tema del LENR, pero, quienes son escépticos racionales, bienvenidos. Los irrespetuosos y faltos de ética en la red, que se alejen y no vuelvan a esta dirección de respeto ECAT WORLD, Gracias Frank!!

  • georgehants

    From This is Money U.K.
    Energy costs rising seven times faster than average income levels
    By Harry Glass
    http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-2146260/Energy-costs-rising-seven-times-faster-average-income-levels.html

    • GreenWin

      “Energy bills are now the top household worry for Britons (90 per cent), ahead of the rising cost of food (77 per cent) and mortgage payments (42 per cent). Almost a third of consumers (32 per cent) say that household energy is unaffordable in the UK, the poll found.”

      Oddly, this might signal the beginning of the end for old school energy. They see the gravy train careening off the rails and are squeezing the last windfall profits from their scheme.

  • What’sUP

    Just posted!!!

    More Rossi lies – and new information from the Florida, Bureau of Radiation Control.
    Posted on May 18, 2012

    http://ecatdoteudotcom.wordpress.com/2012/05/18/more-rossi-lies-and-new-information-from-the-florida-bureau-of-radiation-control/

    .
    **********************************************
    **********************************************

    • georgehants

      Interesting, should hopefully prompt a reply from Rossi.
      Would have liked to have seen an unedited and full copy of the e-mail he received.

      • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

        I think the matter is clear as day even without further reply from Rossi. See my post on JONP and its linked document (more than 30 pages). Calling it “more Rossi lies” is false. This conclusion can be reached by just reading the material, no trust to Rossi or someone else is needed.

        • georgehants

          Pekka, thank you, I will rely on your knowledge and integrity.

    • Karl

      I hope that this informative site will not be converted to tiresome insulting propaganda platform for those who think they can attack LENR or the anomalous heat generation just by insulting Rossi.

      • hydroman

        This is what I have gleaned from all the posts and rants about “psuedo skeptics” and “skeptopaths”.

        I have to say it is disappointing. All you Rossi defenders are psuedo
        believers! What i mean is this you hate skeptics because what you psuedo believers want is to create a united front that will make investors keep investing. You know the odds are slim that Rossi has a workable device! Yet it does not bother you one tiny bit that someone elses money is spent on this! You wouldn’t invest your own money! But someone elses money thars okay.

        You just don’t care who gets hurt. As long as somebody else invests their money. And all on the very odd chance that Rossi has something which you even don’t believe he has!
        Sick.

    • dsm

      not sure what this post is trying to tell us ?

      can someone clarify what it is about

      dsm

      • hydroman

        That is the conclusion i have reached.
        Why?
        from Rossi’s own statements-
        There is no factory in Italy.
        There is no factory in the US.
        Maybe I will build one in Sweden.
        Maybe I will build one in the US.
        The 1mw plant I sold to the secret customer
        is still sitting in my workshop.
        No Ecat has ever been independently tested.
        No Ecat has ever been sold to anyone that could be verified to exist!
        Is it not obvious that all he is doing is making statements on the internet from his condo in Florida?
        Knowing all this his “believers” keep on and on making excuses making up “theories”
        of how it could work.
        That is why I reached the conclusion that most of you really do not believe in Rossi
        (hence the term “psuedo believer”)
        And yet defend him anyway just to convince some OTHER poor sucker to invest in this.

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

      Gary Wright stirring the pot again. The triumphal tone of his missive to Rossi seems to be completely unjustified by the ‘new facts’ he presents, i.e. that he made complaints to two investigative departments, not one. As the email he cites makes clear, the same investigator works for both departments, and his investigation already answered both of Wrights complaints.

      I’m not really sure where he thinks this revelation takes us – it doesn’t actually seem to add anything to what we already know, except that it seems to confirm that the inspector looked at **something**, but the something didn’t produce any radiations or use any materials that would make it subject to either agency’s oversight. The rest just seems to be Wrights assumptions, with no actual evidence to support them. I assume that the site that What’sUP has so gleefully linked to is Wrights own?

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

      … and curiously, on ECN:

      X-prize Reply

      May 18, 2012 at 8:57 am

      Just posted!!!

      More Rossi lies – and new information from the Florida, Bureau of Radiation Control.
      Posted on May 18, 2012

      http://ecatdoteudotcom.wordpress.com/2012/05/18/more-rossi-lies-and-new-information-from-the-florida-bureau-of-radiation-control/

  • Alexvs

    Eserike evi miravile Admin Frank.

    Obledimaskia, damsa Andrea Rossi, senopis osort mooc Dr. Levi evi Dr. Foccardi dinopia bere ised, enab edafrusic enab enoplicic per Andrea Rossi.

    Thanks, danke, merci, gracias.

  • Pingback: About Moderating on E-Cat World | ColdFusion – Cold Fusion | Nuclear Reaction Free Energy !()

  • dsm

    A challenge to Robert Mockan
    ============================

    Robert – I enjoy your posts comments & stories immensely. Hope all the odd events are now past you & you are back to regular experimenting.

    Anyway, can you please comment on the following info I came across some months ago. It has intrigued me & am hoping you may have some insights. The secret catalyst part is the most interesting part for commentary.

    Thanks DSM

    *******************************************
    Rossi states that he uses micrometer grain sized nickel dust enriched to contain more of two useful isotopes, N-62 and N-64. The nickel is then processed to increase the number of surface tubercles (protrusions) to provide greater area for heat producing reactions with hydrogen gas under pressure.

    **Secret catalysts** are added to break apart molecular hydrogen gas (H2) into atomic hydrogen (H1), and to make nickel more receptive to hydrogen nuclei.

    **It has been speculated that the secret catalysts are iron dust (about 10% by weight) and very fine carbon powder. The iron dust might be added to break apart H2 into H1, and the carbon powder added as a “scavenger” for contaminating oxygen, and perhaps for other, less obvious purposes.

    The low energy nuclear reactions (LENR) that result when heat is applied, drives the nuclei of hydrogen atoms into the heart of the nickel, turning small amounts of nickel isotopes N-62 and N-64 into the copper isotopes CU-63 and CU-65.”
    **********************************************

    • GreenWin

      According to Miley, Ahern, Celani, Focardi, Piantelli, SRI, the High School in Rome, etc., Pd, Pt, T, and Ni films, rods, and nanoscale powders and beads can all cause H2 dissociation if the lattice is properly loaded. Any transformation occurs as the ash of the nuclear reaction.

      • dsm

        Thanks GreenWin

        Am still looking forward to an experts opinion.

        DSM

    • Robert Mockan

      I have many questions about many of the things Rossi has said. Until he discloses more details about his catalyst and activator, we can only speculate. I addressed this issue at my blogspot “Open Source Nuclear Fuel” last year. The November 29, 2011 article is titled “A Possible Activator For Gas Loaded LENR Reactors”. If you Google my name and “open source nuclear fuel” you can find it.
      A couple other articles at the blogspot might also be of interest.
      “Hydrino Activator Used In E-Cat?” dated Dec 1, 2011.
      “Making Nuclear Active Catalysts From Nickel Metal Salts”, dated April 25, 2012.

      Testing potential LENR catalysts or fuels is not particularly difficult, so I suppose some person will eventually replicate what Rossi says he has done.

      • dsm

        Robert

        Thanks – will look at the link info – much appreciated

        dsm

      • dsm2

        Robert

        Once again very interesting commentary – your insights are very good.

        Thanks

        DSM

        • Robert Mockan

          There is a ScienceDaily article dated May 17, 2012 titled “In Chemical Reactions, Water Adds Speed Without Heat”. The research noted that iron oxide, in the presence of trace amount of water, in hydrogen gas, accelerates the rate kinetics of activating hydrogen 16 orders of magnitude. This is like saying the catalytic activity of hydrogen is increased 10,000 trillion times!

          I do not discount the possibility Rossi may be using iron oxide as an activator. Exposed to hydrogen gas in a closed container at elevated temperature some of the iron oxide would be reduced to iron and water (vapor). The water could then react with more oxide, and the activated hydrogen could spill over to the nickel particles, thus increasing the available active hydrogen for LENR.

          The water would act as a secondary catalyst with the iron and iron oxide, increasing the active hydrogen for the the primary nickel particle catalyst enabling LENR.

          (I do recall Rossi saying once there were 2 other elements added to the nickel that “activate” it.
          Maybe iron and oxygen?)

          Of course, this is all just speculation.

          • Robert Mockan

            The adding nickel isotope comment has always puzzled me.
            The highest binding energy of ALL the elements is the nickel-62 isotope. That means any kind of fusion reaction with it requires energy, does not release it. It does not make sense to me that particular isotope would have an effect to increase LENR.

    • http://www.electric-sailing.fi Pekka Janhunen

      Not surprisingly, no one seems to know what a secret catalyst is. But in his recent presentations Celani reportedly uses copper alloyed with the nickel (some off-the-shelf commercial alloy from Germany) and apparently has had some success.

  • http://www.american-reporter.com Joe Shea

    I am not sure why you have begun moderating as I saw little that was problematic. I had a site where one commenter posted 100 times a day! Like many of your other posters, my affinity for e-catworld is strong, and it is my most trusted site on LENR.

    • admin

      Well I have been moderating all along, Joe. Just not too much. Usually the posts I delete are those where the poster is getting personally insulting to another poster.

  • Barry

    My only fear about this site Frank, is that someone will breakthrough with a CF devise and the world will wake up to LENR. Then what will we have to talk about?

    • dragon

      The we will talk about improving LENR and everything that is related to it…

    • georgehants

      How about putting right the faults with the scientific establishment etc. so that the delay that has happened with Cold Fusion and is still happening on many other subject is sorted out.

      • http://deadstickarizona-zedshort.blogspot.com/ Zedshort

        The obfuscation and cold shoulder that LENR has received is just the tip of the iceberg of scientific evidence of very interesting phenomena that lay at the very edge of A) the statistical probability of an interesting phenomena B) the willingness of scientists to look at something different for fear that if they might peruse the phenomena they will be show to be wrong and worse still labeled crack-pots C) the funding.

        • Barry

          Or maybe, after an energy revolution, there will be an economic revolution. Then the site can be called E-conomy World.

          • admin

            Hi Barry, how about E-Cat Economy World?

            Nah, I think I’ll leave it alone. There will be a changed world to talk about, economy included.

  • chris robinson

    I must admit This is the first Website i now turn on every morning . And Frank i certainly enjoy the sometimes passionate and heated exchanges , so please do keep the light touch .
    Regardless of the desperate attempts of vested interests and the patho skeptics the weight of the scientific evidence is relentlessly building momentum . I feel that the manifestly imposed major media ban will be smashed in the next few months And that will be in no small measure to sites such as this one .

  • Wonder

    I would like to thank e-cat world for doing an excellent job, and providing a forum and all the news reporting they do.

    Keep up the good work!

  • dsm

    In the last thread there were several comments to the effect that “Rossi owes us nothing by way of proofs for his ecat”. I plan here to refute that as a dangerous POV that is harmful to LENR in general.
    .
    It is an important issue & needs looking at objectively. Lets start with Ing Rossi who in 2010 started publicizing his claim to COP 203+ from a LENR reactor. If he had not gone dramatically public then I would have no issue. But what we saw in 2011 were some highly influential scientists invite, some flown by Ing Rossi to Italy to witness his eCat (particularly Uppsala’a Essen & Kullander).
    .
    Shortly after the early demos, Bologna Uni, then Uppsala Uni offered to do a validation on the eCat. Rossi had initiated these requests but then he walked away from them.
    .
    The in 2011 Rossi discussed with NASA them validating his eCat. A verbal agreement was made that NASA would do it for $50,000. Then the two parties met to finalize the agreement but Rossi changed the deal to where he wanted $16 Million from NASA & they could validate it and (I believe) use the design in space applications. NASA walked away from the changed deal. They had no authority do do this nor had they considered it.
    .
    Add to the above that Ing Rossi in 2010 allowed his friend Prof Stremmenos (a former Greek ambassador to Italy) to approach the Greek Govt in 2010 to set up a company that would become the 1st to sell Rossi eCats. This company would do value add by way of heat-to-process equipment such as a home heater etc:. By late 2010 the company was in place funded by a group of Greek businessmen and became official in Jan 2011. Stremmenos was appointed the chief scientist. It is called Defkalion Green Technologies DGT.
    .
    By mid 2011 DGT were very concerned at not being provided an eCat that Rossi was to deliver. It was also part of the deal that Rossi would produce a 1MW eCat for DGT to be delivered in the 3rd qtr 2011.
    .
    By Sept 2011 DGT began making claims that they had their own LENR reactor. Rossi immediately terminated all dealings with DGT & Stremmenos resigned & publicly attacked the execs of DGT (called them liars).
    .
    The point of this post is to show that we now have significant controversy around Rossi’s extra ordinary energy claims. The publicity was beginning to turn very sour and LENR followers hopes for a great revival of funding interest in the US started to come into question.
    .
    Anyone who knows how research funding is dispensed in the US will know that at the moment CF/LENR gets nothing while Hot Fusion is being granted millions.
    Also CF was blasted by mainstream science and pushed ‘out into the cold’ for 23 or so years. Just when things were starting to improve along came Ing Rossi and his spectacular claim the he had reinvented the global history of energy for mankind.
    .
    Rossi has been public for over 2 years. He owes it to the world to get an eCat validated and to stop the circus of his changing stories, his outbursts, his always backing out from validation. He is single handedly dragging LENR back into ridicule and potential isolation for decades.
    .
    If he has what he claims he would be lauded as the great hero of the new age. His place in the history of mankind would be assured and he would deserve a Nobel Prize. But as things stand he is conducting a farcical circus of clownery that is dragging LENR and LENR research down deeper month-by-month.
    .
    DSM

    • dsm

      I can fully understand the excitement and belief in Ing Rossi. I was no less ready to defend him and early on was guilty of some personal attacks on those who said anything negative about him.
      .
      In particular Krivit got multiple barrels of scatter shot from me. Here and elsewhere. Funny thing was that in months and months of deep & detailed research, I kept discovering that Krivit had the answers right long before anything I discovered.
      .
      I can’t say I liked him but was embarrassed by the way I had dumped on him only to find he had been right. I ended up apologizing by email to him for the things I had said about him & vowed I’d stick to facts & avoid personal swipes (I can’t say it has worked very well but am really trying).
      .
      So I do understand the people who are attracted to Rossi’s claims. What it seems to me though is many of the supporters are really LENR/CF believers (like me) and many are confusing critiques of Rossi as attacks on LENR.
      .
      Am certain we all want the same result.
      .
      DSM

    • GreenWin

      Doug, you still think business people, especially entrepreneurs like Rossi owe you something. How many new product announcements do you follow and hound their marketing claims daily?? As Ryan pointed out to you yesterday – (Ryan on May 17, 2012 at 6:42 am e-catworld) Rossi and Focardi et al owe you nothing – unless you have invested money with him. If not, maybe your extreme interest lies in promoting some other scheme – like Widom Larsen theory to get around the US Patent Office ban on cold fusion? You are naive to demand anything more than your own tacit interest LENR science.

      Go read what Ryan told you again – he nailed it down very well. You might gain valuable distance and avoid the frustration you feel.

      http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/05/reviving-cold-fusion-the-american-chemical-society-covers-lenr/

      • dsm

        GreenWin
        Please stick to the facts – argue the details and whay you agree or disagree whilst sticking to other facts. I read what Ryan said including the ad hominem remarks.
        .
        What I wanted to say to Ryan was posted above and dealt with the core issue.
        .
        Ryan asked how come I knew Rossi had not shown a validated eCat to his investors. The answers is that one of these investors said so. The person invested a 6 digit $ amount and went to Miami to talk to Rossi. He asked to see the plant & Rossi said he couldn’t show it to him for security reasons but the person could go to Italy (which he did) and saw the 1 MW plant that had been sitting there since last Oct.
        .
        Ryan also justified attacking Krivit, not because of facts Krivit posted but based on he heard from someone else that Krivit is being paid by some entity to say bad things!. Not any proof of anything, but yet another shoot the messenger because his message isn’t liked. Don’t deal with the issues in the message.
        .
        Respect for opposing POVs is essential to healthy discussion. Attacking people rather than their point is a quick way to destroy the discussion. As an using words like “churlish, petulant overzealous” are as good as inviting retaliation & a way of dragging the discussion into the gutter. I am sure Ryan means well but that is not the way to show it. Emotive rants do not trump logic & factual discussion.
        .
        Cheers DSM
        .

        • GreenWin

          What “facts” do you have to prove your third party is a real “investor” with Rossi’s Trust and Leonardo Inc.?

          And here’s what two highly qualified cold fusion scientists, Dr. Hagelstein and Dr. Swartz have to say about Krivet and his understanding of their work:

          NOT AS SMART AS A FIFTH GRADER

          http://world.std.com/~mica/krivit02052012.html

          Doug, your “facts” are yours or some hearsay third party you refuse to identify. How well do you think your “facts” stand up in a court of informed opinion?

          Unless YOU have invested cash with Dr. Rossi – Ryan is absolutely correct – you sound petulant because this new science is not developing YOUR way.

          As far as the adjectives describing behavior – you shall reap what you sew young man.

          • dsm

            GreenWin

            Not sure what that bickering between those guys and Krivit has to do with what I posted ?.
            If you want a stack of links to LENR scientists bickering I can google you to 100s of them.

            By sticking to the facts I am simply saying post some information that provides a good case for why Rossi should act as he does (repeatedly walking away from validation)

            We can all learn from research and details and a well reasoned case.

            The shoot the messenger syndrome does nothing.

            Thanks

            DSM

        • Ryan

          Sorry DSM, what you see as an emotive rant is merely a response to the constant drone of your comments, and others like you. You still have not shown any evidence. You say that a real investor came forward with complaints, where is the proof for this other than someone claiming it as I’ve seen nothing but hearsay in comments? Lots of claims are made on the internet daily, often with nothing to support them. Krivit on the other hand was part of a number of books, and a website, that sells online that promotes the Widom Larsen theory, giving him a profit incentive to defend his chosen theory. Yet no one seems to be eager to ask him to make a working prototype to prove this theory out. He may be right, thus it should be his imperitive, with all his great knowledge on the subject, to step forward and prove it to, and save, the world.

          You can say it all you want that Rossi is somehow at fault, that LENR is doomed simply because Rossi says some things, but again, the number of people actually aware of LENR is so small as to be insignificant. The news read about him only reaches a small few and even then it is already summarily dismissed by many of them. Those in positions of power that are aware of it, and willing to give it credence, wouldn’t simply be following details generated by him, they would be aware of other research and would, if they believe it to be true, much more likely support research closer to their home. The damage done to LENR already happened decades ago. The scientific community, or at least figureheads within it, made its declaration on the topic, and much like a religious doctrine that is that as far as many of them are concerned. The urge to be socially compliant with the group and avoid ridicule (and thus protect their reputation and career) often deals with anyone else that might disagree, even if they might have a smidgen or more of proof that points in another direction.

          Do I think Rossi runs his mouth too much, yes, yes he does. However, he will not be the end of LENR. He will either have something and produce it, or will be a footnote in history. There are a number of other groups working on it that aren’t tied to him, though making claims in a similar vein. My personal bet is more on Dr. Miley or Brilloun. If and when one of these other groups gets to market Rossi probably won’t even be mentioned in future historical writings except as someone that was making claims at the same time LENR was coming to fruition.

          Ultimately Rossi doesn’t matter. Those interests that want to demonize LENR will find some reason, any reason, to do so, even if it is an outright lie. The average public will believe just about anything that is told to them often enough and are unlikely to verify facts unless it is something dear to them. The reality is the narrative is already there. Many in the public that hear about LENR (cold fusion) will simply believe it is a rehash of that stuff that was disproved back in 1989.

          It is also quite common for people to jump to rash and uninformed positions with little, or faulty, information to go on. I see this frequently when reading any article about someone arrested for some crime or another. Often you’ll find the vast majority of the comments calling for their heads, all off a two paragraph blurb saying what the crime is and that the person is a suspect. The readers have no other proof, almost certainly don’t know the person, and yet are unwilling to wait for evidence to be brought forth to prove any suspicion. They will believe by default that the person pictured is a criminal, no other evidence or trial necessary. The point? It is painfully easy to make the general public hate just about anything if you frame it in a certain way. Keep repeating it and suddenly a lie can become a fact in no time.

          You say Krivit is a foremost expert in LENR. I say he is someone that believes his view is correct and yet has nothing except books he’s written or been part of that say his theory of choice is by default correct without any real proof to back it up. I’ve read some of his works and don’t find him anywhere near as convincing as you do. If he had proof he could make a working prototype that would show it. Rossi claims he has prototypes. Whether he does or not I can’t assertain with absolute certaintly. So, I’ll wait and see if he does, but I’ll also keep an eye out for the other groups saying they have something, and truthfully am more interested in them succeeding. I certainly won’t invest in any of them without significantly more details and evidence that any of them have something. I’m definitely not emotionally attached to any of the characters of this play. However, I tire of those that make claims or statements with little to nothing, save personal opinions or hearsay on the internet, to back up those assertions. I highly doubt that any one character here will be able to fell LENR. Enough evidence is arising that slowly it is becoming a force. What I see as a real threat is our inane patent laws and the profit motives of those involved, whether that be those developing LENR simply for the money or those that would oppose it on the projections of what it could do to their revenue streams. If LENR is proven out as a useful component to add to our race’s toolbox then the real threat will be vested interests that don’t want any serious challenge to their current paradigm. And it won’t matter how much proof or how many notable figures stand up for it. They will say what they want to say about it and craft the message they want the general public to hear. Even if Rossi were to bring out something irrefutable, those interests would find other means to attack the concept and defend their ‘turf’.

          • dsm2

            Ryan

            Thanks for your clarification. I hope you did see that introducing personalities & slurs does nothing to clarify the matter being discussed. I was partly tempted to respond in kind but realised very quickly to do so would go nowhere plus I also concluded that you were more likely genuinely interested in discussing rather than railing.

            Re agency. I know of 1 person who obtained an agency, we were in email contact early this year. I know that Rossi wanted $200,000 for one of the countries this person obtained rights to. He believes Rossi is both wonderful and pure genius. I was stunned to learn that this person had not seen a working prototype of a home eCat before paying over the money. Rossi himself says he has sold 20 such agencies that would roughly amount to $4 million $s. That actually does not seem very much at all. I am aware of other new energy ventures pulling in as much as $16 million & at the end still having nothing to show for it.

            The agents all have the right to sell sub-agencies again Rossi explained this on JoNP when asked recently.

            Prior to money changing hands, it was Rossi being a showman. Once money got involved it becomes a different matter. That catches serious attention.

            The issue of research $s being frozen out because of Rossi’s ongoing saga is IMHO a sad reality.

            Also try to research how many of those early scientists still keep in contact with Rossi. e.g. Levi, Essen & Kullander etc:. Slowly they all rather quietly moved away.

            Then there are the Energy news sites that have started distancing themselves from him. Not only NET but the Ecat News owner is starting down the path of distancing himself as did Sterling Allen of PESN. The NASA people clammed up very quickly in latter 2011. Zawodny did his famous blog post about extraordinary claims requiring extra ordinary evidence & unfortunately that extra ordinary evidence is just not forthcoming.

            I am certain you and I and most others want to see LENR take off. But I am already wondering if in the US the damage is done. But, if Brillouin can get some serious funding for their dry boiler project this year I’ll relax but I now doubt it will happen.

            Cheers – DSM

          • GreenWin

            After all this you still have absolutely no “evidence” of these “agencies” and money and nefarious dealings Douglas. Frankly, you sound bitter and frustrated. Low cost energy for planet Earth is a great cause for celebration. Have more fun!

            FYI Doug…

            “Given the magnitude of the recent disclosures about the E-Cat, I’ve decided to move them back into #1 position in our Top 5 Exotic Free Energy Technologies listing, influence by the report that their first 1 MW plant sold is now in full operation. Defkalion delays further their 3rd party test results publication.”

            By Sterling D. Allan
            Pure Energy Systems News 5/17/2012

          • dsm2

            GreenWin

            I don’t know you – please just stick to my web handle it may help you avoid getting so personal.

            Thanks

            DSM

    • Lu

      Great post DSM.

      I believe Rossi is in this for the money and this is regardless of the legitimacy of the E-Cat. If the E-Cat is real, I have no problem with this. However, given what I know and have seen, I do not admire the man. His actions to me seem completely selfish and to be honest, that of a scammer as well.

      I do wish Rossi success in establishing a LENR device because his success is success for everyone.

  • Pingback: About Moderating on E-Cat World | E-Cat News Live Feed()

  • georgehants

    Antonella
    May 17th, 2012 at 6:07 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    one of your supporters, co-author in 22passi, has written a nice article:
    Thursday, May 17, 2012 Importance of the work done so far Eng. Andrea Rossi. I want to reiterate, if not clear, consider the crucial work done so far by Eng. Andrea Rossi, without your personal initiative and a great selection of “take stock and barrel” and go to America, we would not be here talking about it and believe that something positive can happen. In fact it is only thanks to two initiatives mentioned above, if today we can talk about Cold Fusion or LENR, if we see a continuous blooming Web sites, blogs, forums discussing this topic, there is: a high-level dialogue like the one I highlighted in the post “So you expect news from Pisa” from four international researchers or what has just been held in Pisa, or … … The exchange of views among ordinary supporters, people who do anything in life but thanks to Rossi are passionate, even, to Physics there is a conflict between those of us who are in favor and those against, but he argues or … Conferences … – discussions – seminars – the type CERN – WISDOM etc. etc.. experimentation of this kind “homemade” type ATHANOR – with all the esteem and applause for the protagonists of that research and there is one … American … – Japanese – Greek, known and less known, official or unofficial type NASA – Defkalion – Mitsubishi – Other … All this thanks to Rossi, he has revitalized a trial that never ended, but that dragged almost clandestinely, subscale, and general indifference. When the world has realized that the Italian industry could market a revolutionary device – E-Cat – which should produce hot water at very low costs, thereby producing a money machine, suddenly realized that perhaps they had missed the train and, with some shortness of breath, rushed to turn on the “sacred fire research”!!!! So in conclusion, his duty Rossi has done very well and, now, the other would sit around the table RESEARCHERS, develop a common project, present it to the EU, obtaining funding and starting from what has already been done to continue possible solution to the magic formula. Our task should be to make sure that the “flame” will not be extinguished. paul

    • GreenWin

      Nice to see a pragmatic look at what Dr. Rossi has done for this field of research.

      “A small group of thoughtful people could change the world. Indeed, it’s the only thing that ever has.”

      • GreenWin

        Margaret Mead – Cultural Anthropologist

  • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

    Frank, as moderator of nickelpower.org, I understand your challenge. Blogs that don’t have active monitoring soon spiral into uselessness. Yours is great! Thanks.

  • Em

    Hi, great site, I’ve been comming back more and more now to see what’s new in the LENR-business.

    What you could do is have seperate pages/lists “Common criticism of LENR”, “FAQ” …
    And whenever you remove a comment you could write “See FAQ” or whatever.

  • SH

    You are doing an outstanding job on this site, Frank. Very well done. This is the best news source for lenr on the web.

    The other big one went down the drain. Thats right, i am talking about ECN. The admin over there really messed up!

    • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

      Still some great posts on ECN by some ‘real’ commenters, but the sheer volume of ‘skeptic’ posts by obvious shills overwhelms them and has turned the blog into a polarised pi**ing contest.

      Thanks Frank for providing a great space for following the story and exchanging views. I think you’ve probably got the moderation about right (and I speak as someone who has been ‘moderated’ on occasion!).

      • georgehants

        Peter I do not think there is a concerted mousetrap attack on these pages.
        Is it because of the moderation that they keep clear.
        It is wonderful to read all the fair views without them being attacked incessantly by objectors.
        If the Internet is to show the fair democratic Power for which it is capable then all clear “agenda” attacks must be removed.

        • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

          Agreed, George. That seems to be essential, as ECN proves. As has been stated by admins on several blogs (including ECN until PS lost ‘faith’) it is necessary for balance to allow reasonable skepticism as well as enthusiasm, but not agenda driven spoiling tactics. Fortunately most shills give themselves away quickly by their frequently transparent attempts to distort and manipulate perceptions.

        • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

          Ramo, democracy counts on the “one person one vote” principle. Some may wish 1000 votes. They are not permitted those votes. This principle, therefore, carries censorship.

          Extracting the incessant drivel from the serious conversation is censorship that increases the clarity of the conversation.

        • georgehants

          Ramo thank you for the lesson in English but I think most reasonable intelligent people know what I mean.

    • GreenWin

      Agree! Excellent job of moderation. Considering the closed nature of networks – VERY nice to avoid the skeptopath FUD and focus on positive news. Of which there is an increasing amount.

  • What’sUp

    Gary Wright just posted a letter-to-the-editor concerning the article “Reviving Cold Fusion,” published in the Chemical & Engineering News. It probably won’t be published till next month, so he put it up on his website, for all to read now.

    It can be found here:

    The Open Source LENR Project®

    http://www.opensourcelenr.com/
    .
    *************************************************

    • Robert Mockan

      The equipment for the kind of research Open Source Lenr wants to do is expensive. Hyper deformed nuclei and spin state studies not only require custom equipment seldom found outside the most prestigious nuclear physics laboratories, but also super computer power to do data analysis. This is doctorate level theoretical and experimental physicist domain. And LENR work also requires a knowledge base with hands on equipment experience in physical, quantum, and catalysis chemistry. If they knew what they were getting into, they probably would not even begin such a project. Thank heavens for idealists!

      • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

        I’m still hoping that a certain individual with little more than some nickel dust, plumbing fittings and a few workshop electrical components may have bypassed the theoretical side of things! And that others like the Athanor team successfully follow his lead.

        • Robert Mockan

          I have no doubt the low brow approach can produce useful results, but optimum results and progress needs at least some high brow input.

          And funding.

          • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

            The high brows will engage once the low brows have proven to the common folk that the stuff works. Then the high brows will claim that they were there all along.

          • http://www.health-answers.co.uk Peter Roe

            In the early stages of any new science, a repeatable phenomenon is required in order to provide the data that theoretical science can then dissect. The more varied the apparatus used to generate related phenomena, the more data is available for the theory mill, until such time as there is sufficient knowledge to reverse the process and design new experimental apparatus. While some devices such as the atomic bomb moved more or less directly from theory to practice, the opposite seem to be more often the case.