George Miley Talks to Ruby Carat

Dr. George Miley, affiliate professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, recently gave a presentation about his research in the LENR field at the Nuclear and Emerging Technology for Space conference at the Woodlands, Texas. Ruby Carat, of the Cold Fusion Now web site was present at the meeting and has provided a report about his presentation and theoretical work, and also provided a transcript of a conversation she had with Miley the day before he made his presentation. Miley has developed a fairly sophisticated model for what he thinks is going on in LENR reactions, and the articles provides a summary of that, along with graphics.

Miley tells Carat about his involvement in the field of LENR which goes back to the early cold fusion days when he was involved with Martin Fleischmann, Stanley Pons and Steven Jones. He laments the prevailing anti-cold fusion sentiment in the United States, and believes it is likely that commercial development of LENR may begin outside the US. He identifies Andrea Rossi (who actually is operating in the US), Defkalion GT, or Japan as possible sources of early commercial LENR success.

Miley himself is starting a small company called LENUCO which is based in the research park at University of Illinois. Miley seems realistic about his chances of successful commercialization. He says, “I don’t want to fool anyone, this is a tremendous challenge. I mean, this thing may go belly up, or it may be a great success, I don’t know. It’s going to be one or the other.”

Thanks to Ruby Carat for taking the trip to Texas and making this very interesting report.

  • georgehants

    Have put this link as the Quantum computer has faced the same debunking and denial as Cold Fusion.
    The closed-minded have again been screaming that Quantum effects in the macro world are impossible.
    With the proof of photosynthesis being an entirely Quantum effect this latest research at last opens much of closed-minded science to the obvious conclusion that the brain and everything is QUANTUM and classical research in these areas is highly limiting to Reality.
    Cold Fusion is just one of many subjects that the irrational skeptic has delayed.

    Opening the Gate to Robust Quantum Computing
    Researchers have overcome a major hurdle facing quantum computing: how to protect quantum information from degradation by the environment while simultaneously performing computation in a solid-state quantum system. The research was reported in the April 5 issue of Nature.
    A group led by U.S. Department of Energy’s Ames Laboratory physicist Viatsheslav Dobrovitski and including scientists at Delft University of Technology; the University of California, Santa Barbara; and University of Southern California, made this big step forward on the path to using the motions of single electrons and nuclei for quantum information processing. The discovery opens the door to robust quantum computation with solid-state devices and using quantum technologies for magnetic measurements with single-atom precision at nanoscale.
    http://www.pddnet.com/news-opening-the-gate-to-robust-quantum-computing-040912/

    • Petrol

      You misunderstand the problem. Everyone knows QC can be done. The unanswered question is can it scale? After decades of research nobody has an authoritative answer.

      • georgehants

        Petrol You said- “You misunderstand the problem.”
        Could you explain further, I have just given a link showing that the problem is overcome.
        One would think that Joy, that the closed-minded have again been shown to be irrational would be in order.
        Do you not feel pleased that science is at last learning what was proven beyond dispute 80 years ago and mostly ignored by scientists unable to face Reality, until Governments and the Military learned that their precious codes could be broken in a second by the Quantum.
        Then from being an almost Taboo subject for mad scientists the Quantum becomes flavour of the month.
        But the crazy’s keep denying Cold Fusion and many other subjects where the Evidence for a Phenomenon is clear.

        • Ged

          The problem has not been completely overcome. That link is talking about keeping data stored in the qubit for a longer time by coupling the fast electron coherence with the slow nucleus coherence. This is the same as comparing a transistor on a CPU to the level 1 cache which stores the data longer to wait for the transistors to be ready to accept it.

          This is still a vital advance, as this allows a more CPU like quantum architecture and is absolutely required for serious data processing.

          However, what Petrol is talking about is the scale of coherence. Quantum computing is about coupling atoms together with entanglement. However, those atoms quickly lose their coherence over time, called decoherence.

          The more atoms you try to make entangled with each other the EXPONENTIALLY FASTER they decohere from eachother and you lose the special quantum processing state. This has nothing to do with the environment or the breakthrough you posted, this is an intrinsic issue with the nature of coupling multiple atoms or electrons or light beams together via entanglement.

          Now, there are ways around this in theory, through alternate types of quantum processing that don’t rely on mass entanglement, but as Petrol says, there’s no authoritative answer to that problem yet. The breakthrough you posted still brings us somewhat closer, but remember the lifetimes we’re talking about here.

          To date, the largest quantum coherence bit that has been made was 12-bit http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/05/060508164700.htm , and decays so rapidly no real calculations can be done with it. Now, compared that to the BILLIONS of transistors in a modern processor, and you see where the problem starts to arise. How will be make BILLIONS of atoms/electrons coherent with eachother long enough to do mass processing? A very tough issue!

    • Daniel M. Basso

      Do you need to consider quantum effects when you calculate the time it takes for you to walk 1km? No, it is irrelevant. Same thing for the brain. Quantum physics is irrelevant to how neurons processes information. Btw, I’m a PhD student working with mirror neuron system modeling.

      • georgehants

        Daniel, what a strange but very typical view from a scientist.

        • Daniel M. Basso

          George, tell me why it is strange.

          You probably have heard of hive intelligence. While individual ants or bees are intelligent by themselves, they pretty much resemble neurons, while the whole hive is kind of a mix of nervous system and body. Are you going to say that quantum physics is relevant while analysing the individual ant’s behaviour?

          Each abstraction level has its proper analysis tool. Don’t try to hammer a screw, please.

          • sapain

            interesting, claiming matter itself has awareness, thereby not acting by universal forces.

          • Daniel M. Basso

            @sapain: I think the forces involved (electromagnetic, nuclear strong and weak, and gravity) are universal, for all we know… ;)

            Or by that do you mean that thing lots of people claim exists but nobody can’t measure? :p

      • RichyRoo

        Its irrelevant in the same way that relativity was irrelevant to the designers of steam engines.
        Classical explainations of the brain will reach a point where quantum effects need to be introduced, and eventually will supplant the classical, the field is simply too new yet.
        I’ve noticed that people who create models are very dismissive of any factor outside their models, they wave their hands, but their models are at best a source of testable hypothesis and at worst pure garbage.

        • Daniel M. Basso

          Relativity is still irrelevant to steam engines, and I don’t think that’s going to change.

          The nervous system deals with noisy signals all the time, from our limited perceptual organs to the workings of the neuron itself. It does it by distributing the error among connections between populations of neurons, with the beneficial side-effect of fault tolerance. Any quantum effect is just more noise that is absorbed in this filtering.

          Is it possible that someday we’ll find quantum effects are actually important to the overall working of the brain? Sure. In my opinion it has about the same probability that a god exists.

          About modelling: dismissing irrelevant factors is the whole point of modelling. It all depends on the abstraction level you’re dealing with. The real world has no ideal conditions, no perfect spheres, it is not even continuous! That doesn’t mean we are wrong by describing it with the perfect, simplified concepts of math.

          I think soon we’ll have machines with biologically inspired intelligence, where the quantum effect is obviously required for its working (the transistors) but have nothing to do with the implementation of the intelligence abstraction (the program running).

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  • georgehants

    From e-Cat Site with thanks
    Italian LENR Workshop April 10-14
    An LENR workshop, the 10th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen Loaded Metals, is slated to begin tomorrow, April 10th, in Siena, Italy. The conference’s schedule and participants are listed at the bottom of this article, and include Francesco Celani, Dr. Peter Hagelstein of MIT and Prof. Francesco Piantelli. Nichenergy, the company founded to market Prof. Piantelli’s device, is one of the sponsors of the conference. He is scheduled to give a presentation on the last day of the conference, Saturday, April 14th.
    The workshops goals are stated thusly:
    “High temperature gas loading is a promising technology to reliably create thermal and nuclear anomalies. The purpose of the workshop is to bring together an international group of experts to present their results and encourage discussion. The emphasis is on experimental innovation, methods, instrumentation, diagnostics and theory. In addition there will be afternoon discussions on topics of interest including explanations for the anomalies.”
    http://e-catsite.com/2012/04/09/italian-lenr-workshop-april-10-14/

  • GreenWin

    Thank you Ruby for conducing this helpful interview. There are many who wish Dr. Miley did notexist. But hey, that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

    Get over it pathoskeps – move on to a pathoskeps site. You’re not appreciated here.

    • Ramo

      Couldn’t care less about your appreciation, pathobel.

  • sapain

    lenr is ahead of hot fusion by a country miley.

    • MK

      No, I feel they are head to head.
      ->http://lawrencevilleplasmaphysics.com/
      They are not mainstream hot fusion but it is hot fusion.
      I think this is the year of energy and we even might be able to chose…..

      • sapain

        mayb why they`re cutting back on the tommy reactor research.

      • Ged

        Hot fusion has some serious coherence and containment issues unfortunately. There’s gotta be a way to harvest all those “free” electrons from plasma… but how do we do it in a way that is self sustaining and thus energy positive? Currently, all hot fusions take energy to sustain…

        • MK

          Lawrenceville does a “pulsed” process where the plasma completely cools down between pulses->no continuous containment, no containment problems. They seem to be on a good way. I suggest you take the time to read their material, it is very interesting.
          -And please dont get me wrong, I think LENR is real and can be engeneered to usable devices.

          • Ged

            Pulse fusion always seemed to me the right way to go. But there are problems with that too. I read the material, I am just weary of “hype”, and need proof, which is not there.

            Anyone who could make positive useful energy from hot fusion would be trumpeted on the streets by every scientifically literate news organization. Since that hasn’t happened, I know their device doesn’t live up to useful expectations. The same is still true for LENR, but at least it’s very close.

            Having hot fusion in our arsenal would be extremely useful, but I think Sapian is right, and LENR, ironically, is far more along the path to useability than hot fusion yet. We’ll have to see if Lawrenceville can change things!