Waiting for the E-Cat: Attitudes of E-Cat Observers

It’s an interesting thing to have been watching the story of the E-Cat for over a year now. Aside from learning about the technology itself, it has been instructive to watch how fellow followers have been reacting to the various ins and outs of the story. I would say that there are some broad categories of attitudes into which observers fall into.

1. “It will never work. The whole story has been a scam from the beginning, and eventually the house of cards will fall and Rossi will be exposed as a fraud.”

2. “Intially I was hopeful that Rossi had made a breakthrough, but it has taken so long for us to see anything fully convincing that I am losing hope of ever seeing anything come of this.”

3. “The more I hear about the technology from Rossi, the less impressed I am. A COP of 6 for heat is really not that impressive — it won’t save me much money to have an E-Cat in my home. I’m losing interest.”

4. “Rossi made the technical breakthrough, but Defkalion is the company that has better engineering and will have superior products. They are the company to watch.”

5. “Rossi is motivated by greed when the world is desperate for the technology he has discovered. Why doesn’t he just open source it and let people around the world develop his technology so all can benefit from his discovery as soon as possible?”

6. “Rossi is building a new industry here, and is acting like one would expect an engineer and businessman in his position to act. He’s working on developing his product and giving no secrets away to the competition. Be patient and give him time to get the job done right.”

7. “Rossi has just scratched the surface of the possibilities for LENR. His E-Cats will be very primitive compared to what will come when others build on his discovery — but he has opened the door for a bright technological future”

Having read thousands of comments from E-Cat observers these are some of broad and not always mutually exclusive categories of attitudes towards the E-Cat that I see. Waiting for something that could turn out to be wonderful is always a difficult position to be in. The anticipating can provide hope and motivation, but the suspense can be frustrating and hard to deal with, and delays and disappointments can increase uncertainties and doubt.

The gamut of attitudes is not at all surprising considering the position E-Cat observers are currently in. Rossi has said plenty about his work, we have been given some demonstrations by Rossi, and heard from firsthand witnesses of those demos, but questions remain, and there is still plenty of distrust and uncertainty surrounding the E-Cat.

It is going to be a while before we find out what the final result of this whole story will be, but it’s likely that the discussion will continue and perhaps increase in volume. I’d be interested to hear if anyone has a different attitude than one the areas I have outlined above.

  • paolo

    ” In view of the impending world energy crisis, the proposed experimental tests of the BECNF processes are urgently needed as LENR phenomena may well represent a viable long-term alternative form of clean energy.”
    Selected Publications
    1. Y. E. Kim, “Cryogenic Ignition of Deuteron Fusion in Micro/Nano-Scale Metal Particles”, Purdue Nuclear and Many Body Theory Group (PNMBTG) Preprint PNMBTG-11-2011 (November 2011). Invited paper presented at Topical Meeting of the 2012 Nuclear and Emerging Technologies for Space (NETS), the 43rd Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, March 19-23, 2012, the Woodlands, Texas. (PDF)

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  • X-prize

    Report #5: Rossi’s Profitable Career in Science
    Posted on March 7, 2012 by Steven B. Krivi

    • daniel maris

      The usual half truths from Krivit.

      The way he writes you would think it was impossible to extract diesel from waste. Whereas, it is possible – there are a number of processes being used around the world now. Rossi was clearly a pioneer in this field – and maybe he was a messy pioneer with poor environmental practice.

      And why didn’t the DOD prosecute him for the thermocouple debacle or refer him for prosecution for fraud?

      • joe

        Rossi did not invent thermal depolymerization, that was known long before rossi was born. Rossi’s process claimed, for the first time to be efficient enough where the cost of producing oil from waste was less than the sale price. Maybe if his raw materials were free and he hid the left over sludge in his basement instead of paying to dispose of it.

        Rossi always claim great levels of efficiency in all his previous scams that were always false. Maybe this time his claims are not fake but i will let someone else buy one first.

      • Frank

        If you call Krivit’s reports ‘half trues’, what to you call the misleading statements Rossi makes then???

        Does somebody here really (still) believe what Rossi says???

        • dragon

          I don’t think somebody here actually believes Rossi. But we all hope that he is telling the truth until PROVEN that he is not.
          So, not guilty until PROVEN applies here. He may drag this story for years, and it is mine or yours right to believe him or not. But we cannot BE SURE until he is PROVEN guilty, which (with all of Krivit efforts) he IS NOT YET. So he might tell the truth still.

          • Frank

            If one of your neighbors would claim that he managed to tune his car so that he can drive 300mp/h with it, but he refuses a test-drive. – Would you believe him or grant him the benefit of doubt, or would you just call him a ‘big mouth’?

  • If the 10 kW version of the Ecat is available, organic turbines from Infinity Turbine LLC will make small scale electrical generation possible with the heat output available from a stable Ecat. They use commonly available refrigerants (r134a, etc) to create vapor pressures well within the operational specifications of Rossi’s LENR device.

    The rankin cycle does not require water – it requires vapor pressure. It can operate at any tempurature range.

    Rossi should investigate the Infinity Turbine solution as a natural combination of the Ecat power module.

    • Jimr

      Better than tthat if it is price compeditive are units from MTPV corp, a company started by MIT. People with technology developed by them that is solid state heat to electricity small (2.5 – 25kw) units. No moving parts, don’t know the effiency.

    • s

      Sorry people, but, in the link below, the inventor of the Ecat seems to possibly imply that the home Ecat might not be able to make steam. And no steam might = no electricity. As always, there could be a translation issue so don’t take the no steam assertion as fact.


      • alex

        No Steam does not equal no electricity. There are other ways to produce power, just not as conventional as steam is.

      • Rossi is still talking about generating electricity using a home unit, but only in very vague terms:

        “Andrea Rossi anticipates that an air conditioned generator and a electricity generator will eventually be suitable accessories for the ECAT.”

        From his March ‘update’ at ecat.com:

    • Joe Heeney

      Incorrect my friend, Infinity’s devices and most existing ORC devices are way overpriced, 3 yr to payoff. have relatively low percentage recovery,15% and prefer high pressure steam. The good old piston steam engine gets 50-60% recovery pays off in under a year, and works with a temp /pressure of 120c /50 psi ~ 140c / 100 psi, High pressure gets expensive and dangerous. A Tesla turbine or piston is far more well suited to low temp waste heat recovery.