Nyteknik: Professor Roland Pettersson of Uppsala University Reports on Feb 20 E-Cat Demo

A new article in NyTeknik by Mats Lewan reports on the status of testing of Defkalion Green Technologies’ Hyperion reactor and Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat. Sources have told Lewan that the recent testing reported by DGT were safety tests. More tests will apparently be forthcoming.

Professor Roland Pettersson, retired associate professor of chemistry at Uppsala University in Sweden told NyTeknik that he, along with other unnamed persons, attended a demonstration on February 20th of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat. Petterson told NyTeknik that the new versions of the E-Cat are more stable. Lewan writes, “Roland Pettersson told Ny Teknik that the system was now much more stable. A new set of control electronics was used and the system was started just pushing a button. However, no energy measurement was performed.”

Rossi had told me in a recent interview that the 1 MW plant had been overhauled, and that they had dealt with various problems one by one. This improved plant is apparently what Pettersson is describing. I asked Rossi why he considered the 1 MW plant a “magnificence” and he responded that he felt a great deal of satisfaction in the work he’d been able to accomplish with it. He sounded like an artist speaking about a masterpiece he had created.

Pettersson also told Nyteknik that he was shown a prototype of the small 10 kW E-Cat which he described as slightly larger than a laptop with inlets and outlets for water.

  • PersonFromPorlock

    I do wonder how much of an authority someone who retires as an associate professor is. Maybe it’s different in Sweden?

    • dragon

      Well, for sure it has more authority than you. :-)

    • http://www.shake-speares-bible.com psi

      I am an Associate Professor, and as for authority I couldn’t say. But some Associate Professors, Roland Pettersson apparently among them, believe in doing research before jumping to the land of arrogant conclusions. What’s your academic rank, PersonFromPorlock.

  • Ed

    How much power was put out by the new “1MW” plant? Was the start up generator shut down or still running?

    • Ed

      Is it still a 1/2 MW start up generator? Or has it been upgraded to 1MW?

  • http://www.neotreksoftware.com Allan Shura

    DGT says they did not copy Rossi.

    Rossi says DGT did not copy him.

    A party cannot patent cold fusion just the
    unique design or process of proprietary value added components of a cold fusion device.

    So Nissan did not copy Hyundai and visa-versa.

  • dsm

    Well Dick Smith has formalized his LENR reward.

    http://dicksmith.internetage.com/

    But also today, Defkalion appear to have shut down their forums.

    Doug M

    • sapain

      sounds like a x prize challenge, up the stakes to 50 mill and c what happens.

  • Matt S

    Defkalion are closing their public fourm until they have a product available!

    Wonder what to make of this move to be honest?!

    http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1278

    • sapain

      dgt is tired of all the flak ther`re getting and it could be affecting the people working on the project.

    • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

      Logic 101:

      A) LENR is real. B) LENR is fake.

      If B then they got their money and they’re blowing.

      If A then proceed to C or D.

      C) They sell the license/rights.

      D) They manufacture.

      C is a joke because they can’t sell something they stole from Rossi.

      D is a not feasible because everything is produced in China today.

      Ergo the only possible explanation is B.

      • Steve Robb

        “C is a joke because they can’t sell something they stole from Rossi.”

        People steal stolen property all the time and we don’t know that they stole from, borrowed from or were inspired by Rossi. So the rest of your string of “logic” is nonsense. It is remarkable how willing people are to twist the truth for their own narrow purpose.

        • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

          As far as intellectual property is concerned DGT doesn’t have a leg to stand on. Anybody who pays these guys for the “rights” to produce this hypeerion of theirs has got to be nuts.

          • Steve Robb

            The Greeks started out as pirates and continue so.

        • Steve Robb

          Meant to say “People sell stolen property…”

        • http://www.shake-speares-bible.com psi

          I’d have to agree,Steve. Mr. Ponzi’s exercises in logic are effective demonstrations in irrelevance.

      • Alain

        “D is a not feasible because everything is produced in China today.”
        totally stupid. chia is more and more avoided for high value product because they steal the IP. also they are often far and hard to manage. ther is a wave of back-shoring.

        “C is a joke because they can’t sell something they stole from Rossi.”
        why do you suppose they steal the IP from rossi. idea cannot be pattented, not public data like the one of piantelli.
        it seems they make a better reactor, with a higher temp, better COP, higer H2 pressure…

        stop simple false reasoning.

        sad to say, but LENr is simple technology taht even a bad engineer like rossi could master a little (despite problems of stability COP and temp)

        note also that pattent does not need that the machin work, just that you can build it with the pattent description and usual knowledge.
        if rossi have hidden the catalyst, he will lose his patent.
        that is the rule of patent, make it public, and you get a monopoly for 20years.

    • daniel maris

      V poor behaviour by DGT. They’ve treated their supporters with contempt. They’ve broken the promises they made about release of information. Now they respond to this problem of their own making by closing down all information – zero transparency.

      They might have the best LENR device in the world – doesn’t make their behaviour acceptable.

    • Joe

      I’m sure they are only closing the forum so they can focus all their attention on building a factory where autobots will assemble their device.

    • Sanjeev

      This was the critical time to post the test results. They told they will “pre-announce” the testers and protocols. And they will publish.

      Now it seems not everything went as planned and they need to go into a hiding place.

      The parting post sounds as if their “tender feelings” were hurt by some random guy on the internet.

      The chances of seeing any test results or knowing the people who did the tests are very slim now.

      • dragon

        Defkalion going into hiding might have something to do with the fact that Rossi made huge threats about copyright and patents and threatening something about all hundreds of lawyers on everybody ass that remotely copied his E-cat design

        • http://www.shake-speares-bible.com psi

          dragon, I thought of that too. It seems like a plausible interpretation.

    • Ed

      What happened to the seven independent testers?

      • dragon

        That was the problem on Defkalion forum: Nobody knows anything about those testers and Defkalion preferred to go dark than to answer ANYTHING about them.

  • Robert Mockan

    Has any body here visited the Jnaudin web site to look at his open source cold fusion research? he has been successful duplicating experiments for many years. The site is:
    http://www.jlnlab.com

    He has different sections about different subjects. Just click on the cold fusion experiment section.

  • Sanjeev

    http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1272&p=6889&sid=ba54999fbbb3fcee3b968e56d6ba48e8#p6889

    Nytechnik article is 100% wrong based on pure speculations of the journalist.
    We expect his response after a direct communication with him.
    DGT

    Mats Lewan then crossed out some of his text. DGT now says the test demonstrated excess energy. It can be that the sources of Mats Lewan were wrong or that DGT is now trying to cover up the mess.

    Anyhow, everything is blurry and muddy again. Back to base.

  • Kim

    First we need a very simple
    crude, but effective way to
    demonstrate the large amounts of energy and steam.

    A simple design and bill of materials

    with video showing precise
    setup and constructions.

    Safety must be paramount.

    Something that can be easy to
    demonstrate, real and powerful to re-video and excite the people and their
    Psyche.

    No turning away from the obvious.

    I know I could build it myself if I had
    the resources, I do not.

    Respect
    Kim

    • Jimr

      I would be careful wishing to have instructions to do it yourself. Early on they said they had some runaways that caused the the pipes to rupture/explode. All it would take is for a couple of idiots trying to “soup them up” and they would rupture and you can bet the governments would apply so many restrictions nothing would get done.

      • Kim

        Your are Right

        Respect
        Kim

    • sapain

      Kim, have u studied solar energy.

  • Kim

    If we wait for Cold Fusion LENR we will
    Lose.

    We need to build it ourselves.

    We are being played with. Its Obvious

    We Sleep

    Respect
    Kim

    • Robert Mockan

      Yes.Yes.Unquestionably.Some of us are not sleeping.

      Sincerely,

      Robert

  • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

    Sounds like someone in the Greek government figured out they can make money by scamming the LENR scammers. I’m sure the government “safe to use around people” certification cost DGT a wad of cash (aka bribe).

  • Steve Robb

    Well, this clarifies things as well as a good smear of mud on a window pane.

    • Ged

      It is interesting. I have no idea there was a secret February 20th test of the 1 MW plant. Prof Pettersson is a reliable source, so it’s a curious turn of events. I would assume the others there during the test must be from the “Customer”.

      • Joe

        Yes, he is very reliable. I’m sure if he actually said as the article implied that the system started at the push of a new button then it did.

  • Kim

    This matter will never be solved in the government or
    business domain.

    Its becoming clear that we need to place safe,simple
    easy to build LENR Designs onto the internet for
    a common man to build.

    We need to discover a catalyst.

    We need to have a source for the Isotopes of Nickel
    in the proper ratio and size

    Need easy to machine and build reactor cores.

    We need a source for the preheating elements and
    the High frequency actuators.

    We need a Internet site where everyone can get
    the finite instructions to explore and produce
    Safely.

    We need to develop a mature Internet sight where
    the people can safely understand, build and intelligently produce their own systems for testing
    and practical use.

    If not this could go on for years!

    Respect
    Kim

    • dragon

      Once the blue prints of “easy to build” cold fusion device in on the Internet then for sure government or business domain can’t do nothing to hide it from public, protect it from other governments, get money for it… don’t you think?
      So what are the chances for a “easy to build” cold fusion device to reach Internet?

      • Kim

        Unavoidable

        Kim

        • dragon

          I like your enthusiasm. I hope you are right in this. There are powerful forces against it though. THEY ARE the ones that built Internet and THEY control it almost 99% if not 100%. THEY have servers that goes trough every little post of ours right at this moment. Even if you post the information , it will stay there for hours and then it will disappear along with… YOU.

          So, I will be more pessimistic about this breakthrough reaching people uncontrolled knowledge.

          • Steve Robb

            Medications are good for you. If no meds available try Soma.

        • Robert Mockan

          This is largely a communications problem. Over the years there have been at least 5, by my count referencing the literature, “cold fusion” devices that can produce useful temperatures, are reproducible, with the “catalyst” synthesis procedure documented well enough to follow, and can be built by people not having multiple science degrees. But although the information is available, it is virtually unknown outside the field, and presently is found only in science journal publications written for specialists that are not available on the Internet. One of the big problems is copyright, and intellectual property issues that prevent, for example, me from scanning the articles and posting them. I can reference the titles, and even make videos of experiments and publish how to do it, but there is a minimum level of knowledge the recipient needs to have, and that is another problem. We still have people who are skeptical about the existence of the phenomena! Even some professional scientists say they do not even bother to READ the literature about the subject, because they “know” it is “junk science”.

          We have a long ways to go, but I agree it is, ultimately, unavoidable that plans will be made available so that ANY PERSON can build the devices, and make the fuel!

          • Ged

            What we need are a whole bunch of youtube videos and instructions, demonstrating a simple device working, and how to build one (doesn’t even have to make much energy over a COP of 1, just some). Enthusiasts would take it from there and spread it everywhere.

          • Kim

            First we need a very simple
            crude, but effective way to
            demonstrate the large amounts of energy and steam.

            1 design and bill of materials

            with video showing precise
            setup and constructions.

            Safety must be paramount.

            Something that can be easy to
            demonstrate, real and powerful to re-video and excite the people and their
            Psyche.

            No turning away from the obvious.

            Respect
            Kim

          • Sparks

            But let’s be realistic: with all the exposure LENR has gotten in these scientific publications over the years, there are a LOT of scientists who have pondered this problem for years, in search of ways to make LENR into practical products. If any of these scientists had come up with a viable approach, you can bet they would have gone the Rossi route, or founded a startup company, and produced a product. The fact that this has not happened in the many years that LENR has been the subject of research, indicates that making LENR practical is NOT a slam dunk. So I submit that “the masses” have no hope of building a practical LENR reactor from a published cookbook recipe. I think the control problem is huge. All we have is the current cast of questionable characters, Rossi, Defkalion, and their like, failing to show the goods in a long string of PR event letdowns.

    • Robert Mockan

      Precisely!

      This has already gone on for YEARS! Pons and Fleischmann went public in 1989!

      • dragon

        And what happened to them?
        They were so effective at releasing the info that 23 years later we still don’t have LENR proved beyond doubt for the masses. Actually the masses don’t know this LENR even exists.

        • Robert Mockan

          Scientists publish the results of experiments in science journals that are mostly only read by other scientists. If the “masses” do not study the journals, how are they going to know anything? Generally the “masses” get their “news” from the media. I can not recall the last time I believed anything I heard, or read about, from the public news media.

  • Robert Mockan

    Sapain said: “well, greece isn`t a crater, so i guess it`s safe.”

    Lol! True. But if Greece were a crater, that would be proof of operation. The problem may be people want cake, but also to eat it!

    • Sparks

      Well, unstable operation, but yes, operation nevertheless. So at that point, the next step would be a little tweaking of the control algorithms….

  • Matt

    At the very least, it shows that Rossi is actually working behind the scenes. I mean did anybody else know about the “test” on the 20th? He is at least improving the look and useability of the machine, granted we still don’t know one way or the other if the box is a shiney paperweight with a push button or a shiney heater with a push button.

    The drama continues

  • vbasic

    I think the increasing evidence is the competing devices work….but perhaps too energetically. That may explain some of the delays. One competing technology produced so many elemental transmutations, Californium was found in the core. Man-made, it can currently only be produced in nuclear labs. So much radiation was produced, Mark LeClair and Serge Lebid were sickened and hospitalized.

    Perhaps, Rossi is lowering the reactions to keep stability and clean cores. Defkalion, going “big”
    may increase COP but also increase risk of instability.

    • Roger Bird

      But Defkalion’s means of going “big” is multiple cores, which may probably lessen the problem.

    • http://pieeconomics.blogspot.com/ PieEconomics

      So, you think diamonds, precious metals, and rare earths can be produced out of ordinary water, using a desktop supernova event?

      I’m doing extensive due diligence about LeClair on my blog page entitled Cold Fusion, Comedy? http://pieeconomics.blogspot.com/p/cold-fusion-comedy.html

    • Skeptic

      What ‘increasing evidence’ do you mean?
      There is ‘ongoing talk’ about who’s in bed with who, who’s been (or not been) in contact with whom, about automated factories and so on.
      But there has been nothing on the ‘look it works’ front.

      You are now speculating about possible explanations, but there is no way to really know one way or another.

      All this talk is a smokescreen, meant to give you the impression progress is made.
      In reality there is talk and hot air, but we are no closer to seeing an actual e-cat than we were at last year’s October demo. Not one bit.

      The absence of evidence to the contrary does not work for me: We don’t have evidence that the CIA is NOT working with Rossi, so they might be in his lab right now to help him out.
      This sort of speculation does not help.

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  • Skeptic

    I recall that a perpetuum mobile was demonstrated to a room of physics professors. They were all impresed by the demonstration although they know that such a device is an impossibility.

    Only a careful analysis of the demonstration suggested that the demonstration ran short enough to be powered by hidden batteries. This is the sort of analysis that is required as real proof of Rossi’s claim.

    Extraordinary claims require real strong evidence.
    A retired professor who witnessed a box with a button is a tweet, a non-event.

    • Roger Bird

      But Skeptic, since LENR has been proven multiple times, Rossi/Defkalion claims are not so extraordinary.

    • Steve Robb

      I noticed that you lowered the bar to “strong evidence.” I take that to mean that you have accepted that there is some evidence of LENR and you have lowered the bar slightly. Am I correct? If that is true would you please share with us what that evidence is that caused the shift in your thinking.

      Sincerely.

  • X-prize

    So Rossi now has a nice looking box.
    With a button on top.
    You push this button – and what?
    A little steam comes out the top?

    Gee – I can do this with a cappuccino machine.

    How can Mats Lewan call himself a reporter when all he does is parrot what people tell him?

    *******************************

    • Carmania

      “How can Mats Lewan call himself a reporter when all he does is parrot what people tell him?”

      Well, that is what reporters do. He is not writing that there is proof that the machine works, he is reporting what happened and it’s up to the reader to draw conclusions. He can not force Rossi to make convincing demo. My conclusion is that there are still no convincing proof. I don’t see convincing proof that it’s a fraud either. Whats your problem with that?

      • Brian

        If he’s a good reporter he should not just describe what he has heard but also give it some context.

        In this story it is important to mention what was NOT demonstrated and what was NOT tested.

        If you just print what was tested, the article suggests more than what actually took place; and then the writer is in fact a parrot.

        • Carmania

          If you read to the end of the article you would have found:

          “Independent testing of his technology has not yet been performed.”

          The article is not “suggesting” anything, you just asume that readers will read more into it than what is actually said.

          • Brian

            Ok, I read it. Where does it say so?

          • You call this journalism???

            Blogging:
            UFO seen in the night sky!
            Yesterday a guy from Louisana says he saw something in the sky, but didn’t know what it was. The Airforce did not acknowledge any testing in the area.
            The Unidentified Object remains a mystery.

            Notice, not a word of this is a lie. Yet this invites you to read “ALIENS SPOTTED!”
            The Airforce may not even have been phoned, which is why you can write that they litterally didn’t acknowledge anything. Mentioning The Airforce gives the post more body and an atmosphere of authority, without actually saying anything untrue.
            This is not journalism. This is blogging.

            Serious journalism:
            Let’s check Facts:
            – I didn’t see it for myself.
            – I have no independent witnesses.
            – I have no photographs.
            – What reason do I have to believe it’s NOT a weatherballoon? None.
            Conclusion: Without other evidence, I am not going to write that ‘one guy probably saw a weatherballoon’

          • daniel maris

            Re YCTJ’s post –

            The UFO example is really insulting. Having Mr Pettersson there is like having a trained aircraft controller at your side when looking at the night sky, so your allegory doesn’t work.

            And he is just one part of a very big jigsaw. When people get excited by such a piece of news, it is in the context of the big picture – which includes a host of detail including NASA’s approved LENR patent, Rossi’s own Italian patent, the statements of several other scientists, the prototype work with Focardi, the demonstrations already undertaken and the involvement of companies such as NI and Siemens.

            Of course, it might be that this isn’t a proper jigsaw, that Rossi is just making it look like it is. But the more pieces, the less likely that is.

          • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

            People, people, people!!! NASA is NOT working on LENR. I defy anyone to name one directorate, division, section, group, even team at NASA that is dedicated to LENR research. What NASA has is an employee perk program. They allow employees to pursue their pet projects. Anyone working at NASA who convinces their boss to let them can file a patent. You and I the dummy taxpayer don’t have that perk in the small company we work for. We have to dish out $10K for patents out of our own pockets. Do not confuse employee perk programs within NASA with “NASA is working on LENR”.

      • Roger Bird

        Carmania, the problem of no proof either way for patho-skeptics is that they are uncertainty-phobic. It takes a little courage to live with uncertainty.

        • Steve Robb

          Deeply insightful.

        • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

          Some of us base our lives on being nobody’s fool. LENR is a no-win situation. You’re a fool if you do believe it. You’re a fool if you don’t believe it.

    • Karl

      A good reporter must have trusted sources!

      • dragon

        It has: Alexandros Xanthoulis from Defkalion:

        See bellow upadte on the story:

        “UPDATED (February 29): In an interview with Ny Teknik, Alexandros Xanthoulis, representative of the investors, said that the test was conducted on 24 February and that it was not focused on safety, as the product is not yet ready for such tests. The focus was instead to show that there was excess heat energy released from a ‘Low Energy Nuclear Reaction’ and not from a chemical source. The test lasted for 24 hours and included both an empty and an active reactor, which were switched after 12 hours. Xanthoulis also said that two of the seven international groups have already carried out their tests and that the last of those tests is scheduled for late March. He did not say when or if the test results will be published. /End of update/.”

  • Brad Arnold

    Good to see Rossi and company making technological progress in improving the LENR technology in the E-Cat. Never the less, I would rather have a LENR generator that produces more heat like Defkalion has been able to achieve, so it can be used to produce electricity for an infinate COP.

    The technological progress Rossi, and Defkalion, has achieved indicates the potential further technological progress that will occur when LENR is successfully commercialized and large corporations (not the less than one hundred employees of either Leonardo or Defkalion) percieve it as a viable business opportunity.

    Not to denigrate either Defkalion or Rossi, but they are small fish in a large ocean. Their designs are primative compared with those that we’ll be using fifty years from now. In other words, hurry up and successfully bring your LENR reactors to market so real progress can be made using the proper amount of resources for the task.

    • Karl

      Remember the story of one “idiot” or the two “fools” that collected them self together with 10 people to be able to do something. Now they are 100 and thus can change the world!

    • Carmania

      Don’t get carried away – we have still no convincing evidence that either Rossis or Defkalions machines does what they say it do.

      • Stephen

        Good point… I am still waiting…

  • Petrol

    If there was no testing done what is the basis for Roland Petterssons remarks?

    • my2cents

      Exactly my thoughts.
      This is nice information (if true) but it doesn’t add to the hungered for proof within the LENR supporting community!

    • Stephen

      Yes you are absolutely right… same thoughts. This is even a chemist, plus they have done no measurements on the energy production. So we are back to the very beginning: step 1 failed, this is still an unproven technology. Words or the fact that they are making the box look nicer do not make any difference to me.

      • dragon

        I think the whole idea from Rossi and Defkalion is that by the time LENR technology is “proven beyond doubt” they will have already products on the market. They both say that products will arrive on 2012.

        So, unfortunately we have to meet again in 2013 to discuss 2012.
        We cannot discuss it now. Unfortunately… Sadly… Desperately… Suicidally… Hateingly… Crazingly…

  • http://www.shake-speares-bible.com psi

    Sapain — lol…..:). Nice to have some more good news from reliable sources who are in touch with recent developments on the e-Cat.

  • sapain

    well, greece isn`t a crater, so i guess it`s safe.