New Energy Times: National Instruments Officer States Rossi ‘Currently Not a Customer’

New Energy Times is reporting about Andrea Rossi’s relationship with National Instruments, the company that Andrea Rossi has said has been helping develop control systems for the E-Cat. Steven Krivit of NET reports that an unnamed author who is working on book about Rossi has been in touch with National Instruments inquiring about their relationship with Andrea Rossi.

This author reports that Julia Betts, Corporate Communications Manager at National Instruments said about NI’s relationship with Rossi, “we were only in discussions with the Leonardo Corporation regarding the use of National Instruments’ engineering tools. Currently, Leonardo Corporation/Andrea Rossi is not a customer of National Instruments.”

This statement obviously raises some questions about the relationship between the two companies — when Betts says “currently” Rossi is not a customer it could mean that at some future time he may be a customer, or possibly he has been a customer in the past, but no longer is. Maybe the discussions broke off. Since Rossi had praised the contribution that NI had been making in the development of the E-Cat this report is sure to generate some questions for him, and it will be interesting to hear his response.

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  • Gregoryyc

    OOHH YES. That Puppetier(s) has very very extremely long tentacles and its os much easier when it costs so cheap and easily dispensable .

    With it it can squeeze the living day light out of any one who dares it in an instant.

    How much power ? Well would you believe they are the ones responsible as parasitic bottom feeder instigators for WW2 and lastly Iraq and Afghanistan ?

    How else could they make their pound of gold. By sitting still in their laurels or by selling them through their army of million minions all the WMD stuff to the highest bidder desperate for supplies ?

  • Wes Moore

    How is this possible, I read all of the same articles and derive at the conclusion that Rossi is acting with integrity. It is a sad commentary on the state of small minds when the world is offered a wonderful solution to end the oil wars, and we are subjected to such vial jealousy.
    Rossi has not been asking any of you for money. The commitment to purchase asks for 0 risk with no opt out penalty.
    I think in 2012 small minds are becoming a minority. I hope the negative posters will show some integrity in the near future.

  • Jimr

    I believe Rossi,s device supplies more energy out than in.
    I DONT believe delivery times
    I DONT believe his quantity to be built numbers
    I DONT believe his estimated selling price.
    I DON’T believe he is a business man.
    I DON’T believe he has a reliabley controlled product.

    • Josh

      Please, then, share your supporting evidence for excess energy, since no one was able to convincingly witness it.

    • Paul Richards

      He simply does not have the front end of a “con” under any form of control. Which begs the question.

      How could someone with such a poor front end go so far with this if it didn’t have truth in it?

      The fundamentals of a “con” just don’t exist.

      1) That of slick web site,
      2) good public relations control,
      3) well presented slick demonstrations,
      4) wide support from businesses and government.

      The list could go on and on.

      Rossi comes across as a geek, an engineer and with a rudimentary understanding of PR and the worst “copy” I have read outside engineering reports.

      • Skeptic

        1. Defkalion exists to give Rossi credibility. Defkalion has the very slick website.
        2. PR is well controlled. Rossi keeps a tight lid. He throws the community a bone but they must talk about what he wants. He refuses demonstrations and he gets away with it. His PR is good. He’s running the show.
        3. See above. His PR keeps everyone talking about everything, and keeps the attention away from the complete lack of evidence and demonstrations.
        Also: he has bought himself a period of 18 months before he has to show something.
        4. Support may not really exist, but he has PR. And that’s enough. ‘Defkalion’ is his former partner, he claims to work National Instruments (until they denied it). He claims to work with Universities, and then there is the Unnamed Customer who has unlimited faith in Rossi. If he has no support, he has the next best thing: PR about support.

        His story landed in a community that WANTS this stuff to be true. For the rest it’s just PR and staying away from actual demonstrations.
        He is playing his part well, I am impressed.

        Unfortuna

  • Josh

    Rossi chooses his words carefully.
    He thanks NI for what they “taught” him, and kips mentioning this “teaching” multiple times.

    Only that previously he stated explicitly that they are working together on the control systems. Only a few days ago he said they’re preparing the 1MW plant for the customer.

    On the other side, NI say they only discussed using their equipment, and nothing else.

    So, AR clearly lied before, and he now pulls the blanket around everything. 8 months now became 18, which gives him plenty of time to sell licences, after the dust settles.

    My predication: We won’t hear from him soon. We’ll hear from him again, when he’s officially sued for fraud.

  • fritz

    Well,

    If I think about industrial process control, power control, there are companies like GE, ABB, Siemens, Alstom and so on.
    I would see the equipment from NI more in the research area.
    For industrial use its too scientific,
    for consumer applications its too expensive.

    So I would comment the shift away from NI in a positive way.

    • James Rovnak

      Agree with you, there are better control providers out there for such a specific system, especially a mass produced singular product.

      • fritz

        For finding out the proper control strategy to keep 100 e-cats in sync – the NI stuff is probably quite easy to install.

        So I would think that this lesson “is learned” and they are able to use traditional equipment ;-))

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I have trouble seeing why someone who believes that Piantelli’s system works would have trouble believing that Rossi’s invention should work even better.
    If Piantelli sees a reaction using hydrogen and a nickel rod it makes sense that Rossi’s H-Ni system that uses nickel powder (that has far more surface per volume of nickel than a bulk metal would have) should be an improvement over Piantelli’s system.
    When chemists run a catalytic hydrogenation they don’t throw a chunk of metal into the reaction vessel. They use a finely divided form of nickel like Raney Nickel.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raney_nickel
    It seems to me that the people who belittle Rossi’s work have no qualms about riding on the coat tails of his success.

  • X-prize

    WELL IT LOOKS LIKE ROSSI HIMSELF HAS CONFIRMED THE STORY

    *
    Andrea Rossi
    February 19th, 2012 at 2:52 PM

    Dear Lu Fong:
    I have received many comments with the same questions, so I answer to you and the answers are valid also for the other Readers who have put the same questions.
    We have worked very well with N.I., and we have learnt from them very much. We are very grateful to them for all what they have teached to us, training our technological people in a very useful way, for weeks.
    As I said already, Leonardo Corporation is structurally changed in these last weeks, and the Trust to which now Leonardo Corporation belongs has chosen other suppliers. Also our Customer has chosen other suppliers for the first generation of the domestic E-Cats and of the 1 MW plants. We will remain always grateful to NI for what they teached to our people and we will ask in future proposals also to them . Personally, I am convinced that sooner or later we will buy also their systems.
    Said this, I want answer in the detail to your questions:
    1- Our scheduling, obviously, will not be affected, the suppliers we have chosen are already respecting all the scheduled milestones.
    2- 3- Yes, we have already the control systems set up in the 1 MW plant, which will be delivered to the Customer very soon. By the way, such systems have been chosen directly from the Customer, who preferred a supplier he was already working with.
    I want to add that we have chosen other Customers not because better, but only because of their longstanding collaboration with our Partners and Customer. I personally think that NI is a very good company and, again, we will maintain them in our list of Suppliers, honoured of this.
    The 1 MW plant is a magnificence, and the preparation of the robotized line to produce the E-Cats is in schedule to start the production within Autumn and the deliveries within the next Winter, with some luck; in the worst case, within 18 months we will deliver, and we will deliver at the prices we promised. The technology has been revolutionized, we are testing the new E-Cats and we are very satisfied. This very week we will start to use the new control system made by the new Supplier.
    Let me do a last consideration: the fact that snakes and clowns have used this episode to create a mess is the demonstration that we have not to release the names of our Partner, Suppliers and Customers, to avoid the falsifications that the puppet snakes and the clowns make up and, over all, the disturbments that they bring up to all the entities working with us. We all need to work in peace. We have to work in our factories 16 hours per day (also today, Sunday) and we have not time at all to compete in the field of the chatters of snakes who are PAID by their puppeteers to try to create a mess from nothing.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.
    *
    Lu Fong
    February 19th, 2012 at 2:15 PM

    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    I am watching the development of the E-Cat very carefully. Yesterday it was reported that National Instruments and Leonardo Corporation/Andrea Rossi or partners are no longer doing business together.

    1. Is this true? If true will this development affect your manufacturing schedule of 12-18 months?

    2. Does the E-Cat have a control system ready for commercialization and manufacture in your factory?

    3. Is delivery of the 1MW E-Cat to your 1st customer still on schedule (less than 1 month from now)?

    Thanks and good luck with your invention and work.

    L.F.

    • Robert Mockan

      Rossi is certainly bringing a new awareness to business that keeping events private is preferable when one has “clowns and snakes” trying to take you down. But for all the people that must be working behind the scenes to make marketing the E-Cat possible, to not have information leaks is… remarkable. The information flow to the general public all seems to be going through Rossi, except for the attacks against him and the E-Cat. Good luck Rossi!

    • daniel maris

      Well Rossi has – kind of – given his version.

      The test here as with Bologna is whether the organisation will now come out with something negative about Rossi. Bologna did not and so far neither has NI. This is important, because it suggests that Rossi does have a working device.

  • daniel maris

    From JNP:

    Andrea Rossi
    February 19th, 2012 at 2:52 PM
    Dear Lu Fong:
    I have received many comments with the same questions regarding National Instruments, so I answer to you and the answers are valid also for the other Readers who have put the same questions.
    We have worked very well with N.I., and we have learnt from them very much. We are very grateful to them for all what they have teached to us, training our technological people in a very useful way, for weeks.
    As I said already, Leonardo Corporation is structurally changed in these last weeks, and the Trust to which now Leonardo Corporation belongs has chosen other suppliers. Also our Customer has chosen other suppliers. We will remain always grateful to NI for what they teached to our people and we will ask in future proposals also to them . Personally, I am convinced that sooner or later we will buy also their systems.
    Said this, I want answer in the detail to your questions:
    1- Our scheduling, obviously, will not be affected, the suppliers we have chosen are already respecting all the scheduled milestones.
    2- 3- Yes, we have already the control systems set up in the 1 MW plant, which will be delivered to the Customer very soon. By the way, such systems have been chosen directly from the Customer, who preferred a supplier he was already working with.
    I want to add that we have chosen other Customers not because better, but only because of their longstanding collaboration with our Partners and Customer. I personally think that NI is a very good company and, again, we will maintain them in our list of Suppliers, honoured of this.
    The 1 MW plant is a magnificence, and the preparation of the robotized line to produce the E-Cats is in schedule to start the production within Autumn and the deliveries within the next Winter, with some luck; in the worst case, within 18 months we will deliver, and we will deliver at the prices we promised. The technology has been revolutionized, we are testing the new E-Cats and we are very satisfied. This very week we will start to use the new control system made by the new Supplier.
    Let me do a last consideration: the fact that snakes and clowns have used this episode to create a mess is the demonstration that we have not to release the names of our Partner, Suppliers and Customers, to avoid the falsifications that the puppet snakes and the clowns make up and, over all, the disturbments that they bring up to all the entities working with us. We all need to work in peace. We have to work in our factories 16 hours per day (also today, Sunday) and we have not time at all to compete in the field of the chatters of snakes who are PAID by their puppeteers to try to create a mess from nothing.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Wes Moore

    Dr. Rossi is clearly not a fraud! when ever have you heard of a fraud taking orders that each side can back out of with no obligation, and no request for money. This man has repeatedly shown credibility. So, Just imagine this scenario .,. N.I. has some large customers who make a lot of money selling oil, they tell NI to drop it or they will drop them. This of course may be fiction, but get ready if Dr. Rossi gets this thing going as promised, you will see more mysterious postings.

    • Jack

      “Dr. Rossi is clearly not a fraud!”
      Yeah he claimed he would work with NI and they deny it. NI must be fraud then. LoL.

      “no request for money”
      I guess you have missed the part with the commercial licenses. Btw do you have any evidence that there is a real entity, person who actually ever bought an e-cat?

      • Andrew Macleod

        Jack NI has said nothing! Krivit has said a mystery author claims they talked to someone who works at NI. It’s really funny how sceptics take hearsay as gospel, only when its damning to the ecat and Rossi. But when Rossi says something they say prove it. Well maybe they should ask Krivit to prove it!

      • Andrew Macleod

        I do recall NI stating “we do not discuss our business relationships without approval from our customers”. Which is good business practice.

        • Jack

          Have yo actually read the news post?
          The quoted “someone who works at NI” is the Corporate Communications Manager of NI, the person dealing with the press. There is obviously no business relationship with Rossi, else she wouldn’t talk about it like this as you quote.

          Btw I don’t think it will take long till this info is confirmed.

      • Wes Moore

        The request for commercial licensing is an offer. No deposit required, no obligation before performance. This shows integrity. He also does not cast unfounded allegations, can you say this?

    • Colin Connaughton

      Quote:- ‘get ready if Dr. Rossi gets this thing going as promised’.

      Like I got ready for the millenium bug to strike. I’m still waiting. 🙂

      • Robert Mockan

        Look at the bright side. I, at least, still have my back pack ready to go from the anticipated computers crashing because of the date change at the turn of the century.
        (On the other hand, that is more proof that even smart people can sometimes be dumb as dirt).

  • Alexvs

    What about initializing poll? Only to check changes of mind.

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  • Robert Mockan

    Having worked with company executives over many years,
    who ultimately answer to a board of directors, I am certain Rossi will be replaced as CEO the moment he becomes a net liability to marketing the E-Cat. Or, if the E-Cat is not marketed, he will also be removed as CEO of Leonardo. He must know that his future is entirely the E-Cat future. So every time these kind of communications go public that seemingly contradict what he has said previously, he treads on thinner ice.

    • sapain

      have u heard of the term Trail Blazer. now apply it to rossi.

      • Robert Mockan

        I agree he is a trail blazer. The question is what trail and where is it blazing. Presently what is on the Internet about the E-Cat story would fit will with the movie Blazing Saddles. I also wish his degree was in applied nuclear physics rather than philosophy. His thesis was on relativity.
        Obviously he is smart, both by schooling and in the street. But it often takes more than being smart to get ahead.

    • Josh

      I don’t think there’s a board of directors.
      It’s most probably a one-man’s scam.

  • Pizarro

    Nobody is building anything, … only the product of your imagination, … I think Rossi is just a Quixote

  • psi

    This would seem admittedly to weaken Rossi’s credibility. On the other hand, it seems unfortunate that those who would instruct the world on the meaning of “skepticism” so readily take read a tea leaf out of alignment as evidence for the demise of LENR. It may be, as Josh claims, that Mr. Rossi is an “old fashioned liar.” Or it may be that at the time Rossi made those statements they were true, and they are not true weeks later (Unfortunately the article fails to mention that NI had earlier, shortly after Rossi’s statement that he was working with NI, had confirmed the association). Or it may be that this report is in error. What is clear is that no one who is an authentic skeptic could draw any definitive conclusions yet about what’s really going on. I submit that we will have a much clearer idea of this within about a week, when presumably reports of the first round of independent testing of Def’s technology will be made public. To my way of thinking, that will have much more bearing on the question of Rossi’s credibility (given that whatever the process involved in Def’s engineering, he was the original stimulus for their research) than this sort of reading of the tea leaves.

    If that test is delayed, or the results are negative, then the Rossi critics have something. As it is, the wheel’s still in spin….Just my 2 cents.

    Cheers,

    psi

    • Josh

      In the credibility scale, he gets currently I’d say -100 out of 100.
      That’s still better than -101, if that comforts you. It can (and probably will) get worse.

      • daniel maris

        Ha-ha – the way you typed that, it came out you were saying Rossi has 100% credibility. 🙂

  • Robert Mockan

    I would like to know who is making his factory for robot assembly. That requires specialists.

    • Kim

      Bingo!

    • sparks

      Yes, that’s the drum I’ve been banging all along. The many and varied preparations, certifications, permits, hirings, factory toolings, feedstock negotiations, ad infinitum, should by now have a HUGE footprint. The mass production assembly line is supposed to be in-place and ready to produce 1 MM units per year in just 8 months. By now, Rossi should be getting quotes from numerous potential vendors (and should have a very busy purchasing department running), and somebody from one of the potential vendors by now would have slipped up and tipped this into the rumor mill. Happens all the time here in Silicon Valley (with its many startups).

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        “The many and varied preparations, certifications, permits, hirings, factory toolings, feedstock negotiations, ad infinitum, should by now have a HUGE footprint.”

        Not if it’s built in China.

  • sapain

    means nothing, rossi can b using a relative company to purchase, he probably has many relative companies that buy materials, hense why no one can trace anything.

    • Jack

      I guess you have missed the statements where Rossi claimed to work with NI on the 1MW plant and learn from them?

      http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/12/rossi-national-instruments-helping-e-cat-plant-become-a-magnificence/

      • daniel maris

        And NI confirmed the relationship with Leonardo Corporation.

      • sapain

        rossi has company a, b, c, d and e. company a does exploratory work (handshakes and help) and accomplishes task, company a then transfers work to company b. ni having talked and worked developing item for rossi now can say no, they don`t work with rossi because everything is transferred to company b and it takes the heat off ni.
        rossi, company a, talks to politican and say, can i set up a manufacturing centre in ur back yard, politican says okay, rossi, company a, now transfers work to company c.
        company e is responsible for material supply to company c, rossi`s name is not visibly associated with company b, c, d and e.
        when ecats finally hit the public, then it will b possible to start back tracking the chain.
        this is invisiblity and deception,and why it is hard to find anything being true or false. something that is highly required when taking on the petro dollar.

        • JonathanD

          If that is true, then why would Rossi talk about the NI relationship openly.

          • sapain

            the same reason he utubed and spoke to a politican, to create awareness for lenr.

  • clovis

    Hi, guys and gals.
    I would venture the guess as to what Mr. Rossie will say,— clownish,- smile– if he give’s any answer at all, it will be to say it’s his usual— lie’s.
    But, Mr, Rossie could you give us an update on what is going on with the e-cat, any news is appreciated, we all are on the edge of our seat as it were. –smile

  • Andrew Macleod

    Hearsay like this should be taken with a grain of salt. The title should read. “Krivit claims a mystery author said this person said that”.

  • George

    Why is it that every third party confirmation of e-cat fails to develop? Time is running out for Rossi to prove he is not a hoaxer. There a way too many red flags to ignore any longer.

  • http://Www.choicedowsing.com Kwhilborn

    An article not about that idiot dick smith! Egad.

  • Sanjeev

    >>>Duncan wrote, “and we have decided not to pursue an E-Cat purchase at this time,

    This is a bigger negative. Because the person is named here. (Unlike the unknown book author).
    What triggered this decision? If I’m interpreting the original interview correctly, he never seriously meant to buy 2 Ecats.

    Hopefully someone will inquire NI about the non-existing relation. NI was teaching Rossi to fish, probably the fishing season is over now.

  • daniel maris

    Clearly some questions for Rossi,but this is from Krivit right? – who doesn’t have a good track record on accuracy vis a vis Rossi-focussed stories.

    • Josh

      Actually, everything he’s said so far has turned out to be true.
      Rossi, on the other side turns out to be a skanky liar and an old fashioned fraudster.

      • daniel maris

        Sometimes true, but he puts a lot of spin on things. He gave the impression Bologna Uni were no longer prepared to work with Rossi – which was completely untrue. They issued a statement confirming they were ready to work on the science of the E cat with him.

  • John Bull

    It seems that “the snake” continues his quest to defame Rossi.

    Is there more info on his agenda? I mean, he made his point a hundred times now. Why is he so persistent?

    • sapain

      now u can c what F&P went through and what they had to deal with.

    • Dave

      John Bull, you can’t defame someone with the truth.

      • daniel maris

        You can if you twist it. Whether Krivit has twisted the truth here remains to be seen.

      • John Bull

        Dave,

        You are right. However, i am trying to answer a different question; I understand Rossi. He is either a crook or a businessman. Both are in it for the money.

        Krivit’s agenda is not clear to me. If Rossi is a crook, time will tell. Krivit’s attacks only seem to accomplish to make him look less like a crook and more like a serious cold fusion contender. So again; What is Krivit’s agenda?

  • levis

    I hope he has a good plan to escape to the Dark Side of the Moon. I’m a believer but…. Each day, I’m finding myself more and more sceptical, why so?!

  • http://www.lepost.fr/perso/sophareth/ sophareth camsonne

    I’m impatient to have some news from the
    1Mw Ecat promised by A Rossi 2-3 weeks
    ago.

  • morse

    If this is true, Rossi has some explanation to do.
    This could jeopardize Rossi’s plan to deliver in time, but I am sure he has a solution 🙂