Dick Smith Responds to Rossi E-Cat Test Refusal

After Rossi rejected Dick Smith’s offer to pay $1 million in return for a successful E-Cat test, Smith made the following comment on the ecatnews.com web site:

Dick Smith
February 15, 2012 at 5:28 am

I did not send my email to Mr Rossi via Mr Krivit. I have no prior knowledge of this person until sent him (and many others) a copy of the email I had sent Rossi.
I sent a copy of my email to Rossi to as many web sites that I could find that covered the E cat device. This was to get maximum coverage of my genuine offer.
No I will not put money in escrow to purchase an E cat. This would allow Mr Rossi to continue taking investment money from Australians and others while saying that my pre purchase gives credibility to the whole scam.
I have had 30 years experience in dealing with people like Rossi. Unfortunately I have seen lots of money lost by genuine believers like many on this site.
I thought it was very likely Mr Rossi would refuse to repeat the most simplest of his demonstrations. There is one obvious reason for this- the device does not work. And by the way I am happy to accept a power output of three times the input!

Rossi’s counter offer was that Smith purchase a 1 MW plant and test it himself, but that is clearly not going to happen. It appears that Smith’s motive for making the offer was to expose Rossi as a fraudster, and it may well be that after this episode — which many saw as a great opportunity for Rossi to make his case, and some money as well — that Rossi’s estimation may go down in the eyes of some. Rossi probably won’t care very much; he seems to be focused on his work as always, and doesn’t appear to have the desire to impress curious observers with any more demonstrations.

  • Mix

    It seems now that Defkalion accepted the Dr. Smith challenge. It’s getting interesting.

    http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1113

  • Tom

    Nice one dick. If Dicko were actually trying to find the truth of the matter, he wouldn’t be accusing Rossi of a scam without evidence. Rossi obviously doesn’t need a measly million and will allow Dick to validate the Ecat with the rest of us.

    Onya Rossi.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Rossi to Dick Smith, “I don’t need you money”. I love it!

      • Scam? Yep.

        5 hours of testing; If it takes a day to prepare, that is $1.000.000 in 13 hours.
        That’s $77000 per hour. Most people don’t make that much in a year.

        That, AND it would silence ALL the critics AND make it to major newspapers. This would generate demand so Rossi doesn’t have to start his sales-pitch when he’s got the devices ready.

        Sounds like the best offer EVER, but ‘Rossi has no need for it’.

    • Mix

      You know, Tom, sometimes no evidence of working device is all you need to prove scam. It’s reverse proof. For most people (minus enthusiasts) refusal to show that device works involving very-very-very little effort for the paycheck of $1M is the proof. You may like it or you may not, but it how it works with humans.

      It was actually last nail for me. There was no demonstration with steam that produced anything on top of what my electric cattle can. Isotopic analysis of offloaded fuel showed naturally occurring copper. Those where dawning enough, but some hope still remained. However, there is only so long you can give the benefit of the doubt.

  • Robert

    If Mr. Smith was on the up-and-up he would agree to give 1 million $ to a third party independent testing agency. This agency would work with Mr. Rossi to test a series of E-Cat devices and the third party would determine if any of them produced excess energy as claimed by Mr. Rossi. Until this happens, Smith is the true scam artist not Rossi.

    • Steve Robb

      I wish people would think twice before they use the word scam, con or fraud. By misusing or even overusing words we debase them and in the end render them useless.

    • Dave

      Robert, what good would it do Smith to give anything to a 3rd party independent testing agency when Rossi has repeatedly refused to allow any such tests? You haven’t been paying attention, have you?

  • Jim

    Notice how Smith is trying to take the higher moral ground by implying he is a protector of Australian investment interests.
    In fact he has shown himself willing to engage in the type of pathological/whimsical skepticism that would turn away investors and potential users of the product – which would otherwise grain great benefits.
    And because Rossi has shown the irrationality of Smiths approach, he engages in the process of inflating his ability to judge such situations.

    I hope that e-catworld will stop giving credibility to such ‘clowns’ and focus on technical and business developments. Lets not repeat the same mistakes made in 1989.

    • Joe

      I hope there is a repeat of what happened in 1989. The sooner the fraud is unmasked the better for all. If the fraud in 1989 was uncovered sooner maybe the cold fusion field would not be considered a field for clowns.

      • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

        What happened in 1989?

      • Tom

        No fraud was ever unmasked in 1989. There was a reaction that was difficult to replicate but that is not fraud. Some may still believe such reactions never happened but that doesn’t prove fraud. Rossi is working off the backs of Pons and Fleischmann. If it weren’t for them, I doubt the Ecat would be happening.

        If the authenticity of the 1989 claims were uncovered sooner, maybe the cold fusion field wouldn’t be considered a field for clowns but a field for scientific champions.

        • Joe

          A less optimistic view:

          Rossi is working off the backs of Pons and Fleischmann’s quackery. If it weren’t for them, I doubt Rossi and his mysterious Ecat would be driving the final nails into the coffin of Cold Fusion.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            “Pons and Fleischmann’s quackery” How can you say this when LENR has been proven by 100’s of independent researchers!

          • Tom

            You say quackery but that’s still just unsubstantiated claims. Statements like that are more irrational than Rossi’s.

          • dragon

            Well, who is listening to you Joe, anyway? Really… Who do you think is actually care about any word you are saying?

          • Joe

            Quackery is obvious and does not require substantiation. On the other hand a supposed discovery that would rewrite the laws of physics as we know it, yea that requires boat loads of substantiation.

            Nothing i or anyone say or believe will have any affect on if LENR is real or fraud so don’t be scared if people question it will destroy your belief system.

  • dsm

    PS as much as we can praise Dick Smith (very popular in Australia) – he also deserves some teasing.

    If the parent email really was from Dick (I still doubt it but may actually ask him today), then there is possibly some disingenuousness in it.

    Reason I say so is that Dick Smith has worked *very closely* with Ian Bryce throughout the whole Mullumbimby Millin fiasco.

    Ian Bryce has done a lot of researching and knows full well of the animosity between Krivit and Rossi but Ian Bryce posts regularly in Krivit’s blogs – the pair of us have exchanged posts there.

    Ian Bryce works closely with and advises Dick on this whole LENR eCat situation. The pair of them are the driving force behind the Australian Skeptics Soc.

    So to read that Dick Smith has never heard of Krivit flies in the face of what I see and believe. I don’t accept that he can say that with a straight face.

    Doug M

    • Tom

      Sounds more like the Australian Saboteur Society.

  • http://blog.teledyn.com mrG

    I really can’t vouch for Rossi, but Dick, well, he’s being a dick. First off, his slur campaign in the Aussie press neglects critical details that are in the Wikipedia page re petroldragon, and again, true or not Dick was being a dick about it, grandstanding to the press not the least of his highly suspicious sins.

    Anyone familiar with the Randi Million Dollar ‘Prize’ will know that such deals are never done on a handshake, and the affair would likely cost Rossi a million to please who? A dick.

    I’m not buying a pre-release e-cat either, but I’m open minded enough to know that two choices is a neurosis and one choice is psychosis, and as such, both Dick and Dave here are giving the whole thing one and only ONE possible interpretation — jumping to conclusions is not, as yet, an Olympic sport, but were it, then I have some nominees for participants. On top of that, both of them resort to only rhetoric to support their ‘obvious’ conclusion, and were I in Mr Rossi’s shoes I’d be a bit disappointed but figure that’s just what happens when you hit a certain level of fame.

    I notice too, Dave never explains why Rossi had never heard of the Dick whom he had supposedly hit up for investment. You’d think a deal like that among gazillionaire investors and out of the blue investments would have at least an email they could quote if not at least one signed letter of intent, no? Sure petroldragon makes Rossi seems sloppy and it’s also suspicious he’s been an energy-innovator in not one but three completely different hot-topic new-energy fields BUT if you ask me, Dick here smells ten times fishier, like maybe he’s out to devalue a stock offering on behalf of a competitor? No, don’t want to jump to any conclusions, do I. Let’s just stick to the facts.

  • Dave

    Anyone who believes Rossi’s E-Cat works at this point is a complete and utter fool. There is NO good reason why any sane inventor with a working product would have turned down $1 million dollars to demonstrate that the product works. Not only would they get the cash but he would also get instant worldwide credibility to help sales and investment.

    • slammer

      Ha Ha, no good reason, ha ha. How bout this. They lure him out with a 1 million dollar offer to a place where they can control the outcome all to discredit him. If he turns it down they use his refusal to discredit him. Either way their offer is a win win. It obvious you know this too. Lets face it, with hundreds of billions in L.P.s running gas and oil lines, pension funds and a million other concerns it would be wise for him to turn down any such offers, and oh by the way if any oil companies want to offer their physicist or others to assist in the research such offers should be rejected immediately. what we’re seeing here is just the beginning of the dirty tricks so typical in this kind of business. I’m afraid as he approaches production it will get worse. All supporters prepare to ignore such baiting.. Mr Rossi you are the man..

      • http://E-Catworld TimTim

        Dickmith busted!!

    • Stanny Demesmaker

      If he has a working product, he will become in a few years one of the richest man on the planet, so 1 million is nothing in regard of that.
      People doesn’t understand, that the day he gives the final proof, the world will change forever. And his peacefull days are over. Of that day he will be chased like an animal.

      • Mix

        And if he does not have a working product, he will become quite wealthy still with his licensing scam, so 1 million is nothing in regard of that. I’m sure his contracts are written the way he is not liable in any case from law perspective.
        Some people understand that the day there is final proof of scam, the Rossi’s world will change forever. And his peacefull days are over. Of that day he will be chased like an animal.

        See what I did there? 🙂

        PS. It’s almost like your subconscious knows the truth.

        • dsm

          You ‘SCAM’ proponents never quite explain how Rossi’s so called SCAM is going to pay him millions ?

          You put foprward an at best emotive rant about scamming but no sound logic or proofs.

          If Rossi is scamming anyone it is going to be so public he will get locked up & they will throw away the key. Money won’t help him then.

          You need to think through your accusations also if you are calling Rossi a scammer then you are calling his partner eminent Prof Focardi one too and also Rossi’s associate Prof Strammos.

          Think about what you say – don’t just blurt it out.

          Thanks

          Doug M

          • Mix

            Scheme will be money for production licensing. There are already fishing going on with investor meetings and such. Defcalion sent those emails for $40M plant blueprints and production rights while ago.
            This is how they do it right now as we speak.
            And good on Dr. Smith to rise awareness of this scam.

        • Ged

          If someone is producing a real product, it isn’t a scam… it’s called selling a product.

          We have yet to see a real product–but even so until he starts taking people’s money, which he hasn’t been, it can’t be a scam.

          • Mix

            And how do you know that he did not take any money? You cannot tell! There is definitely something going on under the carpet.
            How do you think Dr. Smith got information about it? Why he was asked to write a check for $200K? Are you telling me it was all for fun?

    • Cliff Bradley

      Dave

      There is NO good reason… Really? Have you ever been busy? Maybe not. That’s reason enough by itself. Who the heck is Dick Smith anyway, and how long would it take to find out if he’s serious? If Dick Smith was serious, he’d just buy one and test it himself, as Rossi stated. Dick Smith is not serious, may not have a million, may be setting a trap.

      Dave, only a fool would have taken Dick Smith seriously. So, did you take him seriously? Really?

      • Mix

        $1M says Dr. Smith is dead serious. Really.

        • dragon

          1 Million might not be big enough for Rossi now.
          Maybe 3 years ago…when he was a nobody. But now? When the whole world is looking at him as the next Prometheus?

          • Mix

            I would say few enthusiasts looking at him that way. Most people with the head on their shoulders are suspicious at this moment. I’m sure that recent events proved to many that there is no working device and whole thing either honest error (at best) or scam.

        • Cliff Bradley

          If Dick Smith was serious, he’d take his $1M and buy one. He says he’ll put up $1M to test it, but how do you know he will? Rossi has e-cats to buy now. They cost $1M. Putting up $1M to test it is rediculous.

          As far as the rest of us go, I’m waiting until September or October this year. That’s when I’ll know for sure that it either works or not. I don’t have $1M but I have time to wait. My curiosity will have to wait. Dick Smith, if he is who he says he it, has enough money that he doesn’t have to wait.

          This is just nonsense.

    • Omega Z

      Read what Dick Smith said. Dick Smith said he would not put money into an escrow account.

      This was a fishing scam by D.S.

      This Australian story has mutated many times.

      • Dave

        Omega Z, wrong! Smith said he wouldn’t put the money in an escrow account to *buy* an E-Cat product. He said he would put the money in escrow for the $1 million testing challenge.

  • the snake

    I would buy the 1MW with money back guarantee. It’s good for a show, with the business idea of Gunther von Hagens Body Worlds and Al Gore as anchor man. The e-cat needs democratization. Why not engage in a world wide show, selling tickets with Greenpeace logo for everyone who wants to test and see the e-cat. T-shirts and all kinds of parafenalia can be sold… after a good laser show with surround sound.

    • slammer

      As a qualified software tester I would think there are many steps and parameters needed to setup a good demo on an Alpha state machine even in a controlled environment. Indeed it would be difficult enough even at home. Please consider the almost impossibility of that test offer when you have to relocate your equipment, shipping, can’t qualify/control your remote test environment and or have other environmental considerations outside your control. Not to mention the distraction from the delicate task of concurrently attempting to harmonize testing and production environements for your intital release at home. This is obviously all a ploy to derail the effort. Mr. Rossi please continue your march to production, don’t be put off by these guys.

    • Andrew Macleod

      If the man says he has a product let him build it. The only thing Rossi has to do is keep his customers happy and he will do well. Just let the man work in peace. When his product comes to the market buy one or don’t. Like he said long ago “No more tests the market will prove or disprove the ECat”. And right now he is standing true to his word.

  • slammer

    I think Mr. Rossi was wise to turn down this sugar coated offer. I woudn’t have accepted either if I have to go to my adversary’s field to do the demo. Whose to say they wouldn’t have somebody behind a wall switch the leads at just the wrong moment when some crucial monitoring is going on, like when theses swedish scientists are hooking up their meters, just to show incorrect inputs. You could even set up a mechanical switch to do that. At least at his home demo’s Mr. Rossi can prevent this sort of subterfuge. There are foces that wish to discredit him. Be advised..

  • http://neotreksoftware.com Allan Shura

    There is a risk for Rossi. Smith has proven himself to find any reason in the universe to
    suggest a scam even so much as hiring an engineer to theorize a senario which if he was a playwrite is the same as a possible story line.

    This offer does appear to be on more level ground however the detractors say “Rossi’s rules” when here they could also say “Smiths rules”.

    There is the possibility that no proof will convince. This is what judges might refer to as a
    prejudicial bias. If Rossi has not been disproved yet there is not strong evidence. There are consequences for publicity for the investment
    in a new product.

    There are still some unanswered questions on the
    Rossi side that invite this curiosity. For example the 2nd purchaser of the 1 MW was to be announced
    publicly but has not stepped forward. There has
    not been any significant news of the progress of the first order forfillment nor has there been news of any new orders since early November and this is not surprising given the unknowns at this time.

  • PersonFromPorlock

    Rossi may be the only person on Earth whose credibility would be improved by communicating thru Nigerian e-mails.

  • William

    You all are missing the point, I wouldn’t accept either if I have to go to the adversary’s home field to do the test. Mr. Rossi is wise not to accept. Whose to say they wouldn’t have some guy behind a wall switch the wiring at a crucial point in the test, such as when the scientists are putting their meters on the lines (or even setup to be switched automatically). Remember there are powers in the world that will do anything to stop this. At least at his home demonstrations Mr. Rossi can ensure the environment isn’t tampered with. I think it was a wise choice, and control of the environment is the utmost. Thats all these guys would have to do is discredit him and all his funding and buyer would be cut off. They know this, why dont you??

  • clovis

    Guys,
    Well,Mr rossie did exactly as i predicted, He is way smarted than these guys that are trying to gain from his discovery,thanks, Andrea for being the person we all can get behind, you have a large following and we wait with bated breath on your next release of info about this world changing tech, so hang in there you have a lot of support. –Clovis

  • Steve Robb

    The story begins with Sol Millin, whist herding his sheep into their corral, struck by lightening. Upon awakening he found to his great amazement one of his sheep addressing him in perfect English, “Hi, Sol, I’m Joe and I bring you glad tidings and news of a great invention that even a simpleton as yourself can construct that will allow your auto to run on water rather than petrol…” http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/article.html

    I understand that Sol misses conversing with Joe so much that he is designing a tin hat that will apply 20,000 volts to his head so that he might continue his conversation with and receive more delightful insights from his friend Joe.

    • dsm

      offensive to Millin but really funny. 🙂

      Sol Millin dragged both Rossi and Dick Smith into a mess that has now got a life of its own.

      Sad

      Doug Marker

  • Don J

    The way I see it Rossi’s response was exactly right. Rossi’s counter clearly has a better outcome for Smith. He could end up owning the world changing equipment as a bonus. So why did Smith refuse Rossi’s offer?

    • Mix

      Read my post just beneath yours. Better question is “Why would you offer something of value for $1M, if the same $1M is offered to you absolutely free?”

      If somebody offers you $2000 to watch your TV for 6 hours, would you offer that TV for his $2000 to that person too? Just think about if for a moment! You will be laughing all the way to the bank! Providing your TV works, that is! :-)))

      • Tony

        It was (and still is) a fake offer.

        • Mix

          What do you mean by “fake”? Dr. Smith is millionaire. He would come up with money. He believes that eCat is fake. He actually put his money where his mouth is. Did Rossi? Nope.

          It’s clearly fake eCat, not fake $1M. Get a clue! 🙂

      • dsm

        If you had the 6 hours to spare.

        Sheesh

        Doug M

        • Mix

          If you are so wealthy you are sheeshing at $1M, what are you doing here?

          6 hours is NOTHING! Get a clue!

          Sheesh!

    • dragon

      Smith has the chance of buying the E-cat and test it right there, before releasing the money form the escrow account.
      If the E-cat is not performing he can get his money back and also sue Rossi for the trouble…
      Although a lot of people will sue Rossi, if E-CAt is fraud… just for the fun of it.

      So what Smith needs to do is put the money where the mouth is and buy the damn thing.

      • Mix

        “Put the money where the mouth is”? And what Dr. Smith did as not exactly that? He put forward ONE (GET IT) MILLION (GET IT) DOLLARS!

  • Mix

    Guys,
    Why Dr. Smith did not purchase 1MW unit to test it? It’s obvious!!! As Dr. Smith says in his statement it would allow Rossi to use him as public pre-purchase customer to promote his scam with money frozen in escrow account. If you are so naive that you think Rossi would then allow proper test, then you are as gullible as 3 year olds. Rossi then will find more excuses again like “no eCat is currently available for test as all of them are sold out”, “supply problems”, “need to start production of home eCats asap, will deal with 1MW units later”.

    This was as clear cut and no string attached offer as only possible. Get $1M for 6 hours of demonstration and keep all of your eCats to yourself. You are telling me Rossi sold his home ($120K and days of showings to buyers) to finance R&D and now refuses free $1M for 6 hours of his time? RIGHT!

    That was put up or shut up moment for Rossi. Now Rossi scam is debunked!

    PS. There was newer good evidence. Not enough steam, naturally occurred copper isotopes in offloaded fuel. Recently we saw Leonardo corp invoices. So much for using only your own money for R&D, Mr. Rossi. Good-bay now.

    • Francesco CH

      Amen

    • Ged

      There was no Leonardo Corp invoice… The addresses didn’t match the location of the REAL Leonardo Corp, the addresses were inconsistent IN THE INVOICE ITSELF, and the thing used Word Art!

      Come on people, you aren’t that gullible, right?

      • Steve Robb

        People see what they want to believer. In a sense the skeptics are also believers.

      • Mix

        I can see Leonardo Corp being incapable of issuing proper invoice. And that is not even the point. Forget about invoices, what about everything else?

        • Ged

          It is the point. If you can’t see fact from fiction when WORD ART is used and information is inconsistent and incorrect (Beach Miami?), how in the world can your analysis be trusted for anything else?

          Get your facts straight first.

  • Francesco CH

    Well, it just goes to show (quod erat demonstrandum) that this testing offer is a drop trap which is better to avoid!

    • Dave

      Francesco CH, yes it’s a trap to avoid, if you are a scammer, which Rossi obviously is.

  • sapain

    seems like everyone is trying to force rossi`s hand. sit back and wait, 6 months isn`t long.
    meanwhile the stories help to maintain lenr`s rising awareness until it arrives.

    • Josh

      There’s nothing to wait for, get over it.

      • Ged

        I wouldn’t take your eyes off Defkalion if I were you.

        • Josh

          I’m quite sure Defkalion will show nothing. They sell the same snake oil as Rossi.

          Rossi supporters (maybe him too?) even claim they stole it from him.

          • Ged

            Rossi does claim that, basically.

            I have more confidence in Defkalion because their testing methods are far more scientific. And, the Greek government is lined up to test them next week. We will know then if they are something or nothing.

    • Mix

      The same thing was said 6 month ago in September.

      • Ged

        And we got a 1 MW plant for the world to see tested and running in those six months. Your point?

        • s

          You mean the “1MW” plant that was only tested to ~470kW and, nearly 4 months after the test, might still be sitting in the same spot perhaps being worked on or repaired?

        • Mix

          Yeah, 1MW plant that produced 470kW of energy with 500KW generator attached whole time? Your point?

          • Ged

            The point is things are being done. Don’t forget your history, or you’ll miss what’s really going on. I would love to see you figure it out, it would be quite the moment!

        • Dave

          Ged we got a 1MW plant that only outputted 470KW with a GIANT 500KW GENERATOR connected to it and running during the entire test. If you believe the 1MW plant was real I have a bridge you might be interested in buying. lol

          • Ged

            I’m amazed how easily you guys don’t pay attention. The point was something was made within those 6 months. Doesn’t mean it was working as advertized, but things are being done continually, contrary to what Mix was implying.

            You guys need to look behind the curtain.

  • Jsubman

    “When a true genius appears in this world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him.” Jonathan Swift

    The human race does not readily embrace world changing, paradigm shifting technology without great resistance. The shift to low cost energy will start very slowly. I have seen this in many different fields – energy is no different. Rossi’s approach makes sense in light of this guaranteed resistance.

  • Steve Robb

    In a sense Rossi as upped the aunte by suggesting Smith purchase an e-cat.

    • Ged

      I’m not surprised, but I am disappointed in Rossi for that. Why actually use resources and make an entire 1 MW plant than just test a single component from a 1 MW plant and still get a million?

      On the other hand, I guess it could be seen as a matter of principle–he won’t take money without delivering a product.

      Still, I think Rossi is making a mistake in rejecting the offer.

  • Allen Perry

    Hey son, put your money up and buy one or shut the hell up.

  • Robert Mockan

    The offer did not pass the smell test, after all. Why did Smith set himself up as a spokes person to express his opinion that the “obvious reason” is that the device does not work? It sounds like he is talking about the E-Cat, and not LENR in general. I’ve said this before, but worth saying again. IF Rossi is stopped, for what ever reason, me and thousands of others who also know this technology works, will make certain it is not stopped again. Everything goes public, including detailed instructions how any person can make the fuel and use it in reactors of their own design. Then we will be going after all the people responsible for delaying this technology.
    And Rossi has also commented he has a “dead mans” switch set up, so if anything happens to him, the information he has all goes public. I would think something like communicating to all the governments of the world would be appropriate. I may have issues with how Rossi is proceeding, but I wish him the best of luck regardless.

    • Robert Mockan

      BTW, my anger about how the whole cold fusion technology has been delayed over the years long ago went Nova (as in star exploding). How many years?
      This is what I posted in 1999, after frustration even back then trying to get the details of why there was a delay in the technology being developed.

      From: moc…@mailcity.com
      Subject: Piantelli process for cold fusion
      Date: 1999/06/10
      Message-ID: #1/1
      X-Deja-AN: 487761134
      X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 130.166.166.30
      Organization: Deja.com – Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
      X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 10 04:33:45 1999 GMT
      Newsgroups: sci.physics.fusion
      X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en] (WinNT; I)

      The patent issued to Piantelli in Italy is very
      definite about materials used, magnetic fields
      required to increase hydrogen sorbtion into the
      surface of the metals used, and the temperatures
      needed for his process to work. Question:
      Does anybody know what the status is of the
      Piantelli cold fusion process? Is FIAT funding
      it still. WHY the total black-out about the one
      process now several years old that apparently
      worked very well generating high temperature heat
      (400 c), was reproducible, and relatively simple?
      Why isn’t Jed Rothwell, or Bill Collis, or
      Eugene Mallove, or Robert Bass, or Harold Fox,
      or Michael Swartz, or ANYBODY, talking about the
      Piantelli process today??

      That was 1999. The year is now 2012. And still the nonsense about it being real or not continues!!!

    • Ged

      You’re very right that the offer did not pass the smell test. It was highly suspect.

      Still, it was a chance to show off the device in a highly publicized way… again.

      I dunno, I’m not sure what to think about this whole affair. As long as we finally get a device, that’s good enough for me.

  • Sojourner Soo

    The eCat pages do themselves a disservice by posting stories like this. Personally, I expect a measure of maturity, professionalism and sound news on this site, which I am definitely not seeing this last month. When the page owners, including the other site, which is even worse, start buying into this nonsense and publicizing sensationalism like the Dick Smith “story” (does anybody *really* believe that this moniker is genuine?), you discredit the entire field of LENR/cold fusion research. Would it be too much to ask that you not play this game? Thank you.

    • Karl

      I agree.

      • Steve Robb

        I don’t agree. This is news of developments in the verification of the e-cat and to an extent LENR and such it is news worthy. In past decades you would have heard nothing for months until you read of the exchange later in a “news” paper. Now communications takes place in a flash and I am pleased to be able to watch the development and possibly influence it in some small way. If it is taking place in a too head-spinning way for you you can log off and keep your sanity.

        • Sojourner Soo

          Headspinning? You can’t be serious. As for logging off, I pretty much have already. Which, by the way, was my entire point.

    • Stephen

      I don not agree… the only one dooming LENRs here is Mr.Rossi and HIS clown behavior, which now has been going on for over one year.

      You seem to take for granted that he is genuinely having a working machine. I do not share your vision at all.

      • Sojourner Soo

        Yes, I do accept that the E-Cat is real. The evidence is pretty substantial, as far as I’m concerned. Anybody who thinks otherwise is pretty stupid, in my opinion.

        • Stephen

          Fascinating…

        • Dave

          Sojourner Soo, if you actually think there is any evidence that the E-Cat is real I truly feel very sorry for you and your lack of critical thinking skills. ALL of the evidence points to the E-Cat as a big hoax/scam.

          • Sojourner Soo

            There’s nothing wrong with my critical thinking skills. I’d look in the mirror, were I you, Dave. If you think the Dick Smith nonsense is serious, sober reporting or a valid news story, you seriously don’t know much of anything. You all need to get a life.

      • Ged

        Rossi hasn’t hurt LENR, nor could he.

        There are other forces on the move, motivated by Rossi. He’s done everyone a great service if he personally succeeds or fails.

  • marwel

    Seams like end of story….

    • marwel

      “seems”

  • Steve Robb

    “No I will not put money in escrow to purchase an E cat. This would allow Mr Rossi to continue taking investment money from Australians and others while saying that my pre purchase gives credibility to the whole scam.”

    I thought Mr. Smith was willing to put money into an escrow account for the test. Why not for a purchase? I suppose for him to commit to a purchase might cast him in the light of one who believes Rossi has something and as Smith is a skeptic he cannot stomach even the thought of such an association. On the other hand Mr. Smith is willing to place a “bet” with Rossi which makes Mr. Smith appear very macho and you know how Aussies like macho stuff and behavior.

    Apparently Mr. Smith feels there is great urgency about settling the matter as he mentions people in Australia being taken for their money by Rossi. Does he have any proof of this? What is the nature of the purchases? I saw the item on Krivit’s site but it looked fraudulent.

    Frankly, I believe there too many people with shallow brains and deep pockets. If people do not perform due diligence and lose their shirts it is too bad for them and shame on Mr. Rossi if he does so and he should be pursued in court if he fails to deliver. But then again, sometimes I have the feeling that a fool and his money should be parted.

    • sapain

      smith puts down 1 mill for proof, gets proof and loses said mill.
      smith buys ecat, gets proof and gets ecat.
      rossi is being honest and doesn`t want money from the bones of others, which he stated many times over.

      • Ged

        That is a good interpretation…

        Really, this is devolving into high school drama.

  • MJS

    Actually, you have to think of this from another angle. Smith is the fraudster or FUDster and Rossi has the real deal. Smith probably knew Rossi would refuse and Smith can now use this refusal and spin a negative PR campaign. Smith could just buy a plant with it’s guarantees, have his and independent testers present since he isn’t a “secret buyer” and I would want others to keep an eye on Smith as well. After all, Smith might say it didn’t work even if it did. We really don’t know Smith’s motives.

    This would be like the Oct. 28 event last year but more open to the public.

    • MJS

      So Smith,

      “PUT UP OR SHUT UP.”

    • Dave

      MJS the bottom line is that Rossi would NOT refuse the $1 million challenge if his E-Cat really worked. He could work out an agreement with Smith to allow any reputable researcher that they both trust do the test and say Yes or No on the question of whether or not it works. That’s what I would do. Actually, I would have gotten it verified by multiple independent 3rd parties as soon as I got it working.

      If Smith bought a 1MW plant you know it would be more Rossi BS with the deal. He’d want Smith to sign an NDA and wait months for delivery. In the mean time Rossi gets to crow on his blog that rich skeptic Dick Smith bought a 1MW plant, so that proves the E-Cat is for real.

  • Andrew Macleod

    Well Mr Smiths offer is genuine however its falls inline with “Agree to my terms or your a fraud.” scenario. Why doesn’t mr. Smith front the cash to buy a 1mw plant and then (if he is so sure it’s a fraud). Refues to purchace after testing. If he truly wanted to expose Rossi as a fraud he could do so without risking a dime.

    • dsm

      AHA !!!

      Good point. A reason Dick Smith did it that way was because in his scenario others had to do all the work & testing but if Dick buys his own 1MW unit he has to go to all that trouble 🙂

      I missed that subtlety before.

      thanks

      Doug M

  • Paul Z

    Rossi is not interested in playing games with Dick Smith, Dr Rossi has nothing to prove to Dickie or anyone else, he is busy, very busy building his manufacturing plant for mankind not a attention freak in Australia.

    • Stephen

      My God, people… the most interesting experiment set up by Mr.Rossi is one about collective psycology. You are the experiemnt.

      Fascinating…

      He’s clearly a sort of genius.

      • Ged

        Don’t count yourself out. It’s fascinating watching you as well.

  • J. D. Squaine

    Sorry, but Mr. Smith is correct. By Occam’s razor, the is only rational
    conclusion is that Rossi does not have a working system in hand.

    But, there is still hope for Defkalion and Piantelli.

    • Joe Taylor

      If you believe Defkalion has something then you believe Rossi has something. Your statement makes no sense. Whose is better is a different matter.

      Smith may ultimately be right but his reason is too simplistic. Frankly I think he looked foolish. He should have just kept quiet and wait this out.

    • sapain

      as u can c, even smith is interged by rossi lol.
      power and money r at war.

    • Ged

      Have to agree with Joe Taylor. Remember, Defkalion tech is based on Rossi’s tech when he was working with them–no other way around that fact.

      Defkalion is a mystery still, in many ways.

      The only conclusion I can see is that Rossi’s device works, as we’ve seen now 4 or 5 times, but that it may be inconsistent in its operation, or used to be.

      • Dave

        Ged every single test that Rossi has done could have been faked. In his E-Cat unit demonstrations Rossi’s heat energy output calculations assume that all the water is being turned into dry steam when that’s not the case. In his 1MW demo the 470KW heat energy output can be explained by the 500KW generator that was connected to the plant and running during the entire test. It’s a hoax/scam. Just admit and move on with your life.

  • Rodrigo Costa

    anyway….it was very strange…

    the way i see…Rossi should have used this opportunity…

  • psi

    I like the part about “I have had thirty years dealing with people like Rossi.” No prejudgment there. I’d say Mr. Smith’s a pretty shabby guy.

  • Daniel M. Basso

    “No I will not put money in escrow to purchase an E cat. This would allow Mr Rossi to continue taking investment money from Australians and others while saying that my pre purchase gives credibility to the whole scam.”

    Not if done publicly and with a clear defiant tone. If he really wanted to call out the possible scam he would buy it. His refusal is a pretty lame excuse.

    • dragon

      True. Both have lame excuses.
      Both Rossi and Smith look so chicken.
      After all… there is no “knight in shiny armor” for the people.

    • Colin Connaughton

      I see the ‘excuse’ as very strong. To buy an ecat could always be quoted as an act of faith in ecat which Mr Smith does not want to provide. The buying as an act of faith has, indeed, been used by Rossi and supporters as evidence of the viability of the ecat.

      As I wrote before, faith and a religious-like aspects of this business seem to be a feature and are not normal for scientific discoveries.

      • Ged

        It’s also standard marketing and promotional methods that most businesses employ. Welcome to the corporate world :D!

  • Roberto

    “I thought it was very likely Mr Rossi would refuse to repeat the most simplest of his demonstrations. There is one obvious reason for this- the device does not work.”
    As I had said, this was a subtle contract under blackmail and not a donation, in order to say he is a fraudster.

    • Ged

      As I said yesterday, it was a clear trap. But one I believe Rossi should have beaten at its own game by facing it down. If anyone here finds themselves in a Rossi-like position, don’t pass up something like this, trap or not.