Dick Smith Offers Rossi $1 Million to Repeat March 2011 E-Cat Test and Prove LENR

A letter from Australian Entrepreneur Dick Smith to Andrea Rossi has just been posted on New Energy Times. Smith is asking Rossi to “repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions).” He says that he is happy for Swedish physicists Sven Kullander and Hanno Essen (who witnessed the March demo) to be the “sole judges” of the test.

Smith states that if the demonstration can successfully prove a ratio of 8:1 energy in/out over a course of five hours, he will be happy hand over $1 million to Rossi. It will be interesting to see how, or if Rossi responds to this enticing offer.


  • E-Dog

    Read the letter.
    Smith is a top notch person and Fair Dinkum.
    He has been given the chance to buy the machine let him see the contract.
    I am positive he will do it.

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  • Steve Robb

    Here is the catch in Dick Smith’s conditions: “I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions).”

    Notice it implies that Rossi must prove the source of the energy is from LENR. Exactly how is one to do that when very few people can settle on a name for the phenomena much less agree as to what process is at work?

    • Josh

      Reading Smith’s letter it’s clear that he intends to play fair, and get a test environment which is agreed upon both sides.

      He seems to mention LENR as a general term, without sticking any particular meaning to it. I’m sure that had Rossi agreed to the proposal, a detailed protocol would have negotiated and signed.

    • Robert Mockan

      The signature of nuclear reactions is typically particle or radiation emission from nuclei. Fortunately the nickel-hydrogen system does produce short lived radioactive isotopes. Rossi has stated there is no radiation, but he is referring to outside the E-Cat. Any body can demonstrate that radioactive isotopes are generated in the reaction, for minimal cost and effort. If Rossi were to remove the fuel load from an E-Cat after a few hours operation and place it in a cloud chamber the particle tracks would be visible. And with a magnet he can show they are beta particles. I have a You Tube in process that will show this using a nickel wire that has been activated in hydrogen gas, going live sometime in April. A child could prove LENR to Smith.

      • Steve Robb

        I imagine you are not going for high output or COP but just to show the alteration of the materials via alpha and beta particles? Is this similar to Piantelli’s experiments?

        • Robert Mockan

          Yes, just to lay to rest one question many people have about these metal and hydrogen systems
          being nuclear or not. Particle emission proves the energy release is of nuclear origin. Piantelli did calorimetry also, not just radiation detection. He had high COP, but the fact often gets lost in details of his experimental procedure. The nickel hydrogen system starts generating above the metal Curie temperature, so Piantelli had his samples in a furnace. Any furnace, although insulated, is going to radiate heat by conduction and radiation, so it needs power to maintain the high temperature. Since the thermal power generated by the nickel in his sytsem was much less than the power needed to heat the furnace, the COP is not immediately evident but can be calculated. Thus his publications and patent literature indicating 20 to 50 watts thermal power from small nickel and nickel alloy rods. That was 20 years ago. What Piantelli is doing now is more sophsticated, he is generating more thermal power per unit mass of the metal in his system, but the process is based on his work. A little math shows that the original Piantelli apparatus, if made large enough and containing enough metal rods and hydrogen, would become self sustaining without any external power. The reason of course is that the volume of the reacting “fuel” increases faster than the surface area of the container housing the “fuel”. Thus there is an equality where the thermal power, as a linear function of volume (and probably also of surface area of the metal rods), exceeds that needed to maintain the reactor at operating temperature, due to the increasing ratio of volume to surface area of the reactor through which thermal power is being lost.
          The Rossi E-Cat generates enough thermal power to overcome the conduction loss from the E-Cat “furnace”, or reactor as called now, in a smaller size.

          • Ged

            Whoa, make sure to post up your youtube account once you’re done! That is awesome work, and I will love seeing this. Showing it off on youtube is a very good idea–as spreading the information through the public will ensure its visibility and that it is built upon in the future.

            I also agree with your analysis completely. It’s nice seeing someone with the skills and materials carrying on this work. All my best to you!

  • vbasic

    I agree with Rossi’s answer.
    As others stated Rossi is busy with real customers and production anyway, so he doesn’t need the distraction. He probably doesn’t needs Smith’s nickel anymore either.(Notice the double pun.)
    Plus, I like how he said if you want one, buy one and they get a guarantee.

  • Robert Mockan

    This offer does not pass the smell test.

    Rossi says a COP of 6.
    He says 6 months between refueling.
    He has prototypes.
    He says it will generate so much thermal power.

    So set one up in the lobby of his company, turn it on, and let it heat water for 6 months (or even 6 days!).

    But enough of this 2 or 4 hour testing!

  • Roberto

    This is not a donation. This is a subtle kind of a blackmailed contract, if he doesn’t sign they will use the case to infer a fraud.

  • Frank

    As expected ;-)

    Archibald Fields
    February 14th, 2012 at 5:57 PM
    Dick Smith Offer

    Dear Andrea,
    Australian millionaire Dick Smith has written an open letter to you offering more than $1,000,000 unconditionally if you can successfully repeat March 29 demo. This is easy money and you have till 20 Feb to accept. Kullander and Essen can be validators. This will provide you with easy and much needed funding. What good reason is there to decline this offer?

    Yours Faithfully, Archibald Fields

    Andrea Rossi
    February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM
    Dear Archibald Fields:
    This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 million to’ spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a refilar contract, that gives him all the necessary guarantee. Our plants Are tester by Our Customers and the Consultants they chiose. I have not time at all for this clownery.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Roberto

      straightforward

      • Frank

        So, is the e-cat actually a s-cat (scaredy-cat)
        :-)

    • Jake

      Wow, that was fast.

      I’ve removed this website from my favorites, and I no longer intend to follow this ridiculous story.

      It’s too bad for the LENR researchers which will take it hard by this.

    • Robert Mockan

      Shit! If Dick Smith would make me that deal, I can prove LENR to him. Rossi response is over the top!

      • Frank

        Maybe you should ask Rossi if he could borrow one of his e-cat ( he has plenty of them inside the 1MW container in Bologna) to you, just for a day, just as long you need it to demonstrate (for 1 Mio) to Mr. Smith. ;-)

        • Robert Mockan

          If the objective is prove LENR one does not even need an E-Cat. Piantelli was doing COP greater than the E-Cat 20 years ago. If Smith made me the offer I would set up a demo at my cost.

    • Josh

      Asking Smith (or anyone) to buy a plant for the sake of proving the technology is a non-legitimate request, not the type of request who we should expect a reputable person to present.

      Suppose Smith purchases a plant (even for say, 0.5M$), and it doesn’t work. Rossi could always claim that Smith didn’t install or use it properly.

      A legitimate verification should be performed with both parties participating and present, under an agreed protocol.

      • dragon

        Well…. I guess Defkalion deserves to be the first with Cold Fusion phenomenon validation when they will do the test in near future.
        Rossi seems incapable of being a team player with LENR community.

        Frankly…sometimes you get this feeling that he is the thief, somehow getting either trough tricks or trough sheer luck something he does not deserve.

        God plays tricks to us and this is one of them: give to the shadow character the gold mine and then see how much “nobility” he can show to his fellow man.

        • Josh

          I don’t think Defkalion will provide a successful, convincing test, but let’s wait and see.

        • Ged

          You remind me of Sterling Allan’s sentiments.

    • Jonathan D

      Am I wrong in understanding Rossi to have said that anyone that seriously wants to test the ecat can buy a 1 MW plant for $1,000,000 which is tested by the buyer before final payment.

  • Roberto

    Once Rossi tried to be open, and the open society reserved for him a (retroactive) change in the law while he was in business, to make him and his clients down by law in one day. Don’t listen to these false supporters Mr. Rossi, carry on your way.

  • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

    Reasons for Rossi to say yes:
    Through Stirling Allen, Defkalion has promised a 48 hour test to begin “next week”. If Rossi doesn’t provide “the proof” before Defkalion does, then Rossi will loose historic glory. Why not kill two birds with one stone. Once Defkalion provides “the proof”, this offer may be withdrawn. However, if Defkalion provides “the proof” and Rossi does not quickly respond with his own definitive proof, I will become of the strong mind that he is having a major technical problem.

    Reasons to not provide have been well discussed. What hasn’t been mentioned is Essen and Kullander’s willingness to parcicipate.

    What is Smith’s motivation? I think that Mr. Smith would gain the most if the technology was proved out. His name would be associated with “the proof” for all time. He would be able to capitalize on the business benefits of this technology very quickly I’m sure. He may be able to give Rossi a lead over Defkalion. As Rossi is pretty much a one man show, being associated with that lead could prove very valuable for Mr. Smith.

    Just remember, all Rossi and Smith are namesakes — at least according to Google Translate.

    • dsm

      Good points :)

      Doug M

      But Rossi in accepting is really only going to do so to boost Dick Smith & for the publicity value & he may justifiably believe Dick is not worth the trouble.

      My reading of this ploy is that Dick now is beginning to think that either Rossi and/or Defkalion have something real. His offer lifts him out of a possible hole he dug for himself when he backed Ian Bryce’s carryon.

      Doug M

  • Joe Taylor

    This offer is completely disrespectful to Kullander and Essen. Rossi will turn it down because Rossi respects K and E unlike Smith.

    • http://E-Catworld The D

      Dear Readers,
      Since you visit this site so often, I thought – you all should be past the tricks and tactics of “Journalism Fraud101″. Or “Prestitution 101″.

      As a scientist, to me, if a COP 6 proves something, COP 7 proves that thing too and so does the COP 5. Why does DKSM insist on COP 8? If COP 7 was easy, why would Rossi insist on COP 6 all these days?

      Dr. Rossi, also notice that when regular readers comment, it takes more than four hours to reach 50
      comments… when Snake Paid Trolls wanna comment you into believing, then, it takes less than one hour to reach 50 comments.

      Your fans don’t want you to take up this kirvitted bet. The Big Energy does.

      World is not going to end if E-Cat works in five years instead of now. It can wait.
      And the best proof is retail sales.
      If E-Cat was fake, People are not grown up enough to say – let’s slow down resource consumption since E-Cat’s a fraud – since, most of them don’t even know it exists.

      Readers,
      We don’t want to be kirvitted to the dark age – so stop pretending that you don’t see demanded COP 8 fraud.
      The Big oil is the agent of kirvitness. Curiosity killed the cat. Kirvittitude killed the invention & innovation.
      If only I could buy a kirvit-control-spray for the internet – the world will be so much less kirvitted-up.

      Dr. Rossi,
      I’m a smart enough scientist with some network – If snake kirvits you, I’ll continue your work.
      BUT PLEASE don’t take up this DKSM’s kirvitted bet.
      We are your true fans.
      We will wait for retail sales.

      Readers,
      Dr. Rossi is adopting low cost “Amazon” model. What more do you want from a guy?
      To stay poor forever? He deserves to be the richest guy. Let him be.
      Just stop kirvitting or prove to me why a COP 5 doesn’t suffice and DKSM needs COP 8?

      Have a good day.

      ` D

      • Frank

        If Rossi has a problem to achieve COP 8 for this test, I’m sure he can negotiate this issue with Mr Smith in advance.
        ( at least he could try )

        • Jake

          I’m willing to bet Smith will agree to less than 8.
          He suggested 8 as a gesture for AR, as an easing factor, since March’s test claimed to have gained about 10.

          Quote:
          “I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times. To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight times.”

          http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/

      • Steve Robb

        Very nice use of krivit as an adjective.

        • Sparks

          You are too riveted on this krivit kibitzing!

        • http://E-Catworld The D

          “Steve Robb
          I hereby declare the coining of two new words:
          krivit, verb, to attack the idea or character of a person by many specious arguments while lying hidden behind a blog. Frequently the behavior has a puppet like character and the invective snake-like.
          Krivit, noun, person who does the above.

          Example: Ignore him, he’s just another Krivit.
          Example: His hissing, kriviting sound grates on my ears.”

          >>

          “Example: His hissing, kriviting sound grates on my ears.” … You’ve got to be a real life James Bond… Master Linguist. Sounds great->sound grates!! Nice!

          Kudos to Steve… for enriching the English language. These words are very useful.

          My extensions…

          krivi..->kirvi.. to stay clear of legal hassles.

          +
          Kirvity – like kirvit
          +
          Kirvittitude – the one who has kirvity attitude
          +
          Kirvitics – kirvity-tactics
          +
          Kirvitism – the one who practices the verb kirvit as defined above; the one who follows pseudoskepticism for hidden agenda harmful for the masses but profits the controllers
          +
          Kirvitist – similar to con-artist; kirvit-activist
          +
          Kirvitivity – various specific activities performed by kirvitists to attain enlightenment (en-darkenment) on the path of kirvitism.
          +
          Kirviction – kirvity conviction
          +
          Kirvitly – Outlandishly kirvitic
          +
          Kirwit – a brilliant and witty kirvit but nonetheless a kirvit; a dim witted kirvit
          +
          Kirvit – the Six Letter Word
          +
          What-the-Kirvit – more intense and more sociable alternative to what-the-@#$%

          Sample use:
          To kirvit once in a while is one thing but to be a habitual kirvit is another.
          If you are diagnosed with chronic kirvity, you have no love life. Please seek professional help.
          Kirvitics can fool some for some time; not all for all the time.
          Kirvitists engaes in kirvitivity with full kirviction that kirvitivism will yield kirvits more profits and dark lord will prevail.
          How good is your kirwit? What a nice kirwitty fellow!
          What did the masochist say to the kirvitist? Be my spokesman. Be my agent/PR Officer.
          Hey D, what the kirvit are you saying? – Watch your mouth, you can’t say the six letter word in front of kids.

    • Frank

      Smith says that in case that Kulander and Essen are not available for the test, he would be open to agree on other reputable scientists.
      So, that’s no excuse.

      If his e-cat works as claimed, then it would be easy made money, and as a side effect his invention would get the attention he has been seeking for long time already ( why else wouldn’t he have done public demonstrations ) !
      The best promotion ( not only free, it’s even paid by others ) for the product which he want’s to put on the market soon.
      So, it’s a perfect chance for him to earn 1 Mio just for a several hours lasting test!
      Of course, the precondition is that his device works as claimed.

      For all the ones here who try to construct some reasons why to reject such an offer, I suspect that this guys are afraid that this test could/will fail.
      But how can the biggest supporters of Rossi’s claims be afraid that such a test could fail? Are there some people here which have a deeper insight in Rossi and the ‘performance’ of the e-cat than the rest of us? Are some of the posters here associated with Rossi?
      PS: This are just rhetoric questions – I don’t expect any honest answers or confessions. ;-)

  • Joe Taylor

    This offer is completely disrespectful to Kullander and Essen and Rossi will turn it down because Rossi is more considerate than a weasle like Smith.

    • dragon

      Why is that?????
      The fact that even a skeptic like Dick Smith is thinking highly of them, enough to loose 1 million dollar on their word is the highest praise of the impartiality of these 2 scientists.

      They should be happy for this honor.

      • Joe Taylor

        He is not thinking highly of them. They already did a test. Dick Smith is saying your first one was not good enough and I do not believe it. That may be true but do not embarrass them like this.

      • Joe Taylor

        “They should be happy for this honor.”

        This is not honor. This is a public embarrassment. I would hate to have a friend like you. Dick Smith lacks any idea of what respect and honour. He is immature in my books.

    • Jake

      Science is not religion and not faith based; verification is a required process.
      I’m sure the 2 scientists will welcome the test. If they do get insulted for some reason, maybe AR can offer them 50K$ each out of the 1M for compensation :)

  • Kim

    Peswiki down?

    Been 8 hours plus with no connection.

    Respect
    Kim

    • Kim

      Working ok now

      sorry

      Respect
      Kim

  • http://neotreksoftware.com Allan Shura

    It is enough to buy a half of a 1 MW plant.

    The 14 orders need to be processed anyway,
    with a three month delivery time to be ready
    from the time of the order.

    The only thing is is the prize money in the
    hands of an independent judge.

    • Josh

      No, buying a plant isn’t a legitimate proposal for testing the technology; Rossi could claim that Smith didn’t install or use it properly.

      It has to be done with both parties’ participation, under an agreed protocol.

      • Steve Robb

        Smith has the right to test the plant before accepting it. The only problem is he needs to come up with another 1.5 million to show he is sincere.

  • Lu

    Rossi’s reply will be:

    1) I don’t need the money as I am well funded.
    2) I am done with tests. I am working on a robotized factory …
    3) It is another trap by the snakes.
    4) I only guarantee a COP of 6 and not 8.
    5) I am too busy.

    • dragon

      6. I don’t give rats ass on you, LENR followers.
      7. I am in this for myself and for myself alone, screw the world.
      8. How do you expect me to be a logical person? My answer is no to this test.
      9. I am the biggest genius of this world and I do not belong to human race, so don’t you think I am at your level.
      10. I am waiting for the banksters elite to buy me.
      11. I will live forever so i need too much money than I can count.

      Anybody else to continue this list?

      • Lu

        Reason why Rossi should say ‘YES’:

        1) $1,000,000
        2) Nobody should (and many won’t) buy an E-Cat unless it’s independently verified. How many people are willing to buy a revolutionary product from a non-reputable source?
        3) Shut just about everyone up.

        • Jake

          4) Instant interest from investors, billions worth. See my response to Paul bellow.

        • Steve Robb

          It will shut all but the most krivitly of the kriviters. Just coined a new adverb.

      • Tony

        Reason’s why Rossi should say no:

        1. Dick Smith is responsible for the Ian Bryce report.

        2. Dick Smith is communicating to the world via Krivit – why not choose 22pass, vortex, or direct via a more trustworthy source?

        3. Rossi doesn’t need more publicity or one million dollars (peanuts in comparison).

        4. Dick expects Rossi to say no – this is what the offer is intended for.

        There is ZERO chance that Rossi will take this up if Krivit has been involved.

        • http://www.shake-speares-bible.com psi

          I agree, and unfortunately that leaves us in the dark. Given the history, if I were Rossi I would not take up this offer, notwithstanding all the reasonable arguments in its favor. Given the history, the challenge isn’t a clean one.

          • dragon

            It doesn’t get cleaner than this:
            “Show me the box working and i will give you 1 million for this. Let the 2 Norwegian scientists to be our judge (and executioner)”.

            What is not clean about it? There is no Krivit involved in the testing. Only the 2 Norwegians, and maybe a video-camera.

          • Tony

            Krivit’s name is involved and that’s enough.

          • dragon

            Isn’t that the goal?
            To shut up Krivit once and for all?
            Well, here’s the PERFECT chance!

    • http://E-Catworld The D

      Dear Readers,
      Since you visit this site so often, I thought – you all should be past the tricks and tactics of “Journalism Fraud 101″. Or “Prestitution 101″.

      As a scientist, to me, if a COP 6 proves something, COP 7 proves that thing too and so does the COP 5. Why does DKSM insist on COP 8?

      If COP 7 was easy, why would Rossi insist on COP
      6 all these days?

      Dr. Rossi, also notice that when regular readers comment, it takes more than four hours to reach 50
      comments… when Snake Paid Trolls wanna comment you into believing, then, it takes less than one hour to reach 50 comments.

      Your fans don’t want you to take up this kirvitted bet. The Big Energy does.

      World is not going to end if E-Cat works in five years instead of now. It can wait.
      And the best proof is retail sales.

      Readers,
      We don’t want to be kirvitted to the dark age – so stop pretending that you don’t see demanded COP 8 fraud.

      The Big oil is the agent of kirvitness. Curiosity killed the cat. Kirvittitude killed the invention & innovation.

      If only I could buy a kirvit-control-spray for the internet – the world will be so much less kirvitted-up.

      Dr. Rossi,
      I’m a smart enough scientist with some network – If snake kirvits you, I’ll continue your work.
      BUT PLEASE don’t take up this DKSM’s kirvitted bet.

      We are your true fans.
      We will wait for retail sales.

      Readers,
      Dr. Rossi is adopting low cost “Amazon” model. What more do you want from a guy?
      To stay poor forever? He deserves to be the richest guy. Let him be.

      Just stop kirvitting or prove to me why a COP 5 doesn’t suffice and DKSM needs COP 8?

      Have a good day.

      ` D

      • Ged

        I would certainly say a COP of anything over 1 supports the reactions. 8 is highly arbitrary, but it is based on the 10 the former demonstration last year showed. I think that’s the reason why it’s being used as a base line. You’re right though, 6 should be the metric, as 6 is what the product is designed to give specifically.

      • Jake

        Who says he “insists” on COP 8?
        I’m guessing he’ll settle on any other rational ratio if AR opes it for discussion.

        Basically, and ratio which neglects known reactions, and where all input and output are properly measured, and where the test endures long enough, should do the trick.

  • Paul Stout

    Rossi is better off letting most of the world continue to think that this is a hoax. That way he can get his product to market long before any real competition. At that point, he will have no shortage of customers and will sell everything he can produce. Starting off with a million units a year at $800 a unit is a LOT of cash flow.

    What better situation could a business man ask for? Why would he want to prove to the world that it really works and have the competition really coming after him?

    • Jake

      The financial world don’t work that way.

      Investors don’t have the knowledge to research in unfamiliar fields, and they aren’t interested in doing the hard work either. For all that matters, they want to be the FIRST in the market.

      If Rossi proves his technology, he’ll get instant, huge investment interest, in billions.
      Investors will beg for him to take the funds, which will enable him rapid and secure growth. And due for the heavy competition and target market size, they’ll demand only marginal percentage in return.

      Also, he’ll become instantly famous and will get global respect for being the first to bring CF/LENR to market.

      So, considering how REAL markets work, he has everything to win, and nothing to lose for proving his device. Also note: all he needs to do is prove it works, not to show HOW it works.

      • Paul Stout

        It appears that Rossi has no problems getting investors interested. So that is not an issue.

        Once you prove that it does work, a lot of people will figure out how to duplicate it. There is a strong possiblity that several people already have.

        • Jake

          I didn’t see any evidence for investors, I urge you to share details if you have.

          And, let assume for a moment that he has. There’s always room for more investments, and for bargaining against existing investors.

          From financial and personal perspectives, he has any reason to accept the challenge. Assuming he speaks the truth, of course.

  • clovis

    Hey, GUYS.
    They are trying to shake him down, and i believe he’s to smart for that.but we’ll see. if he can turn it to his advantage he should try.but Mr. Rossie will not be intimidated. to much class.—smile

  • G_Zingh

    As always the devil is in the details; so why is this Dick asking for a COP of 8 when Rossi only guarantees a COP of 6 ?

    • Ged

      Because the March demonstration managed a COP of 10. Mr. Smith is looking for a repeat of that demonstration, basically, but with even looser criteria (goes for an hour shorter, only needs to hit 8. Though yes, 6 would have been a smarter value to go to as that’s all Rossi backs).

  • Francesco CH

    It sounds like a drop trap which is better to avoid…

    • Tony

      Exactly.

  • Kai Tønder

    Smith should just go and buy one, rossi has allready stated that anyone can buy them and test the 1MW plant for themselfs.

  • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

    How do we know Dick Smith isn’t in on it? For all we know Rossi and Defkalion could be in a war overtly and cooperating covertly. Rossi blows hot air and acts like the competition and Defkalion collects license money from gullable suckers and shares a cut with Rossi. Along comes Dick Smith. Acts like an independent third person. This convinces eager investors even more that this is for real.

    People, take a step back and think. For one moment don’t focus on whether or not the device is real. Follow the money trail instead. Ask for financial transparency.

    • Alexvs

      You could have found the hidden motives for the whole mad story.

    • Paul Stout

      Unless it is your money, you have no right to ask for financial transparency.

      Apple is not transparent with their financial transactions. Why right do you think you have to ask that of any private industry.

      • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

        You are and you are not correct. If it were any other industry you would be right and I would agree with you. With energy and power you are wrong. There are some things you don’t joke around and fraud and play games with.

      • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

        I am not asking but suggesting that Dick Smith hire a forensic accountant with his great wealth and try to figure out what’s up with Rossi’s alleged manufacturing operations. I find it difficult to believe that whoever he claims to be cooperating with is a privately held corporation. If it is publicly traded they must reveal their operation to shareholders. Also, Defkalion admitted gamma rays are emitted by these devices. Dick Smith would work smarter not harder if he spent his money on a private investigator to figure out whether and how these devices were shipped outside the factory to UL without FDA approval.

    • Philip

      For that matter, how do we know Charles Ponzi isn’t in on it? He shows up on the internet as a strange, lone detractor from LENR. Maybe Charles Ponzi really works for Rossi, but playing the die-hard disbeliever in an attempt to polarize feelings about LENR, and push those inclined towards believing over the fence and into Rossi’s pockets.

      • Sparks

        Charles Ponzi isn’t the only detractor. I’ve been a detractor (not of the LENR science, but of the claimed short timelines to mass production) consistently! And DANG, yes, I have been part of the conspiracy that you so cleverly uncovered!!! Charles, our covet operations have been compromised — GO TO PLAN B.

        • Ged

          Or by Charles’ logic.. you’re in on it too! Why Sparks, why would you do this?! Saying manufacturing on such short time scales are impossible just so people are even more amazed when Rossi say’s he’s accomplishing it and believes him even more! You wily dude, you!

          • Sparks

            (Andrea, the jig is up. Sorry, they figured it out….)

    • morse

      Now I know why Greece is bankrupt. They invested all their money in a corrupted Defaklion !

      • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

        Greece is bankrupt because Japan has a trade deficit and Germany has a $1 trillion USD annual trade surplus. How did that happen? Germany bundled their money with weaker countries like Greece. If they didn’t their currency would be skyrocket and be too strong and their export machine would grind to a halt as a result. Japan didn’t bundle their money with weaker countries and their exports suffered as a result.

        Which begs the question. How influential in this Defkalion project is German industry? I have a difficult time believing that anything that happens in Europe that has to do with industry isn’t being controlled and manipulated by their massive resources.

        • Burt

          You are watching to many movies. Jesus Christ:-) So you think you have found the biggest scam ever in history?

        • Ged

          That’s not why Greece. Or are you going to blame the US trade deficit too?

          Greece went bankrupt because it’s government spent way too much money on entitlement programs; a massive portion of the GDP and more than taxes could ever supply. And this is why it has enacted austerity measures, which cuts back on government programs; and which resulted in riots from the people so dependent on the government rather than their own selves.

          • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

            Facts speak for themselves. Japan has a trade deficit because their currency is expensive. Germany has a $1 trillion USD annual trade surplus because their currency is cheap. Germany – Greece = Japan.

            I personally don’t hold it against Greeks that this is going down in their country. What I do hold against them is that they let this Defkalion business go on in their country. It might be nice and warm where they are. Let’s remember, there are poor people in the world who cannot afford to pay expensive home heating fuel costs and are currently experiencing very difficult winter conditions. This is not technology which should be played around with. People are suffering without it. The environment is suffering without it. If it is real it should be made available now. If it is not real it should not interfere and get in the way of green projects.

          • Ged

            Mr. Ponzi. As a scientist let me tell you, even if something is real it takes time to repeat, verify, standardize, ratify, produce, and finally market.

            The repeat and verify stages are over as far as Defkalion sees, and I think they have pretty well finished up standardizing. Rossi is pursuing the ratifying stage with UL and the like. Neither has reached production.

            It takes time. No matter how badly you want something, it takes time to mass produce in meaningful quantities. One must be pragmatic.

          • http://none.com Charles Ponzi

            Let’s say you’re the European Union. How much would this technology be worth to you? Billions maybe trillions. They should ask Rossi and Defkalion how big they want the check to be written out to them. Name your price. You’ve got it. Now prove it works. Dick Smith’s offer x 1000. If they are businessmen they would be wealthy beyond their wildest dreams. Otherwise they should be shut down for running a Ponzi scheme.

    • Jake

      Smith asks for a TEST, not for build instructions.
      Rossi can keep the device enclosed and his secret kept.
      All that is required is that all input and output are properly measured. What goes on inside is AR’s business.

    • Ged

      Wow, that is going way, way over the top. Do you know who Dick Smith is and how he makes his living? Or do you know his history with Rossi? Check out the New Energy Times article: Dick Smith has little to no love for Rossi, and already retracted an offer for $200,000 just for a skype conference demonstrating the machine! That offer -failed-. And Mr. Smith is not very happy about it.

      No one is in cahoots, and there are no cahoots to be had. Step back and realize Mr. Smith is baiting Rossi to find out if he’s legitimate or not. It’s a trap for a fraudster, which if Rossi isn’t, Rossi will win out nicely for.

    • Gregory P

      Do some research on Dick Smith before you make stupid remarks like “smith is in on it”. Dick Smith would never do anything like that.

      You do not become Australian of the year, pulling shit like that !!!

      http://www.australianoftheyear.org.au/recipients/?m=dick-smith-1986

    • Steve Robb

      You really have gone off the deep end of the pool with that post. Your paranoid view of the world that involves the entanglement of Rossi, Defkalion and Smith conspiring to hoodwink you and everyone else says worlds about your mental stability.

  • clovis

    Hi, Guys.
    If this were legit it would go a long way on paying for a new factory, Hmmmm.

  • sapain

    rossi has many people squirming in their seats, smith will have to wait like everyone else. smith annoyed rossi so i don`t think he will even reply.
    rossi has already turned down millions, azzi gas is getting nervous.

  • Jake

    Rossi said he has a factory where eCats are tested 24×7.

    All he has to do is to discuss a test protocol (up to few days of his time), and perform the test during one afternoon.

    1M$ for a week (tops) of work.

    If he says no to that, we can all make our conclusion.

    • Ged

      It is an offer he (or his reputation at least) can’t refuse–if the E-cat works, now’s the time to let it shine.

    • Karl

      I thing those who are aiming at Rossi should come up with something much better. This is just a childish attempt to misjudge.

    • Paul Stout

      The most money is to be made by keeping most of the world thinking that this is a hoax – until he has the factory up and running with a real product.

      That gives him a big leg up on any competition and makes the most money for him in the long run.

      • dragon

        That will be a very cynic and heartless move of making money. How is that different than your regular businessman?
        This kind of thinking made the world the way it is now. Is that what we want? Another Shark?
        NO!
        He should give hope at the same time he is working on his business plan. That is the least way an honorable person should comport with his fellow man.

      • Jake

        If that was his motive, we’d have heard nothing from him yet.

        Why the bombastic claims and then the absolute lack of proofs to support them?

        Also, if he sincerely plans to deliver in a month, he should have proven the device for the investors and manufacturers long ago.

        You can’t raise money for such a sensational invention without proving it. It’s just not how it works.

        • Jake

          a Month – I meant a year.

  • Dragon

    Obviously, Rossi should respond positive and once and for all silence critics.
    If not, for sure his reputation will be really taking a beating. A huge beating.

    • Ged

      Very true. It’s an important moment now, and 1 million is a huge amount.

    • Karl

      I believe Rossi is right. The best way to finally silence any clatter is to deliver workable systems.

      • dragon

        Nobody here says that Rossi should not deliver workable systems.
        What we are saying is meet the challenge! Win 1 million $! Silence the critics!

        Is he up to it? If not, there will be no word against critics until he release his product on the market. That will be a very stressful period of time for us, the ones that want to believe this is true. So for the people! Also, a side effect of not meeting this challenge is that Internet and Media will put cold fusion on back-burner and THAT is always bad.

        So Rossi can do something very good now… or very bad to the whole LENR field. He should be careful.

  • mark

    As we all rightly expect Rossi will find a way how to avoid it because he does not want a million :P
    He will probably blame it on how dare this Smith guy questions his invention. He is not competent, intelligent or significant enough.
    Lets wait and see

    • sapain

      why didn`t smith go to greece and c it for himself and save $990,000. then donate the balance to lenr research.

      • Jake

        Because it was a controlled test, which is worthless.
        Rossi should enable free access to all input and output. It’s legitimate for him to ask the box is kept closed, though.

        • Ged

          There is nothing wrong with controlled tests–if they are done in a scientific way. For instance, the way Defkelion is approaching demonstrations is the right way to do it. Keep all things equal except the fuel, and then switch the machines.

    • Aphantee

      That’s just what gonna happen. Cannot agree more.And I won’t refer to any news about E-Cat after that.

  • http://slashdot.org foobario

    Rossi will find a reason to be “too busy” or figure out a reason to call this guy a “snake” to wiggle out of the demonstration.

    • Jake

      Probably; and his supporters will come up with new conspiracy excuses, and even higher level of ad-hominem attacks against anyone who disbelieves him.

      • Ged

        Who would turn away 1 million dollars for demonstrating their invention? What happens with this will be interesting to watch indeed!

        • dragon

          Rossi. Because rumor is … that E-cat is not real.
          Of course this is just a rumor, don’t quote me on this.

          • Ged

            We’ve seen his other units in action, and we know Defkelion has the same technology. The question is reliability and reproducibility, in my mind.

        • RGCheek

          At this point, Rossi is supposedly trying to get his factory up and running ASAP and get into the market before the Hyperion does.

          A delay of a week could cost him many times more than a measely million USD down the road.

          Smith is just blowing smoke. If he were really interested he could easily just buy one of Rossi’s machines when it comes out for under $1000 and test it his own danged self.

          Rossi might be a scammer, but his Petrodragon business was not a scam, and he got put out of business because he wouldnt bribe the Italian environmental agents and so they busted him down saying that the petroleum he had been producing was still toxic waste and he was not licensed to process that waste. The case was so contrived the Italian government cleared him.

          Rossi’s technology is very disruptive to the established order. I doubt he is going to be very successful until he enlists the support of some major energy corps like GE or Exxon.

          It’s a shame but that is life on this blue marble.

          • Ged

            Doesn’t have to delay a week. He can take one of his old, previous units that worked and take that to the demonstration. It’s definitely doable without impeding things, and for 1 mil. It’s a golden opportunity for him, in many respects.

  • Alexvs

    That is just what many posters were requiring including myself: the E-Cat touchstone. As the offer has an expiration term, feb 20th, we have there a crucial date to reckon Mr. Rossi’s disposition to face reality. If the offer is accepted, not very much later we could see if Mr. Rossi’s claims are true.

    • Alexvs

      Moreover, I am so skeptic about Defkalion’s E-Cat as I am about Mr. Rossi’s announcements, robotizings, snakings but reality can convince anyone.

  • Karl

    I haven’t followed this story to closely but I have the impression that D Smith is not too serious and probably only playing with his one ego. It’s a lot at steak for Rossi and the world if his has what he says. If he is really serious and believe he is, I think he should carry on with his important mission to get the mass market product on the market as soon as possible. If he has the proof him self and the money I think it is better to carry on and such an even just may stir up stronger treats against free energy mission.

    • Gregory P

      nonsense. Dick Smith is very serious. He wants to know if it is real or not. Dick Smith is not going to waste his time with this to prove it is not real. He wants it to be real, and hence offering monetary incentive. Dick Smith is not so rich that he could pay much more.

      • dsm

        Dick Smith is one of the wealthier people in Australia.

        He flys his own private learjet.

        He has made multiple multi-million dollar fortunes over many years.

        In fact, he is rated as ‘a living treasure’ in Australia which is pretty hard to achieve.

        Doug M

  • Kim

    My instincts say this is a trap.

    I’m sure that Andrea Rossi feels the same.

    Leave it alone
    Things are unfolding ok.

    Respect
    Kim

    • Kim

      Also is Peswiki down?

      • Ged

        It’s down for me.

  • http://www.nickelpower.org Bruce Fast

    Highly interesting. The fact that Mr. Smith didn’t ask the now infamous Ian Bryce to attend gives it a fighting chance.

    All I’ll say is that Mr. Smith has money to burn. There’s no way I’d be investing $1M on Mr. Bryce’s hokey theories.